I'm am finally a Master Mason... Any Questions?

Whens the next potluck? Oh and our we implementing the NWO on Tuesday or Friday I missed the Memo.

Thanks-
Bob

OT: Cool but I don't have any real questions or really believe you are a master mason. I mean you might I just don't know and don't expect any evidence and would understand if you didn't put any forth. Sorry about not being productive.

Heres a question.

Doesnt it seem rediculous that such a collection of people refuse to debate the validity of their individual beliefs? Does that make it seem more like a deluded circle-jerk of the self-important than an collection of honest men wanting to further their understanding of reality?

Originally posted by Wertdagf
Heres a question.

Doesnt it seem rediculous that such a collection of people refuse to debate the validity of their individual beliefs? Does that make it seem more like a deluded circle-jerk of the self-important than an collection of honest men wanting to further their understanding of reality?

OK, let's see how productive that might be...

Let's say Brother A is firmly convinced that Jesus was the son of God.
And Brother B is firmly convinced that Mohammed was a prophet of God.
And Brother C think Jesus may have been a pretty good guy, offering some good advice, but nothing particularly sacred about him.

And Brother A knows that the only way to Heaven is through Christ; Brother B knows that the only way to salvation is through the Koran; and Brother C doesn't claim to know anything, but believes that by living a good, honest and moral life, if there's an afterlife, he'll be welcome there.

Can either A, B or C prove anything about what their faith teaches them? Can any man know for sure what's in the afterlife if he hasn't died yet?

No? Then what's the point of trying to convert someone?

Trying to further one's understanding of reality is fine, and Masons do try to do that. Trying to further one's understanding of an afterlife that may or may not exist is, well, impossible.

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It would reveal how fragile all of its members are. Your brother believes you are going to hell and does nothing for hte sake of yoru salvation while within a place ment for the congregation of spiritual teachers and students. I find the nature of its apathy disgusting.

Bring the sword and let them turn to rend eachother....

Originally posted by Wertdagf

It would reveal how fragile all of its members are. Your brother believes you are going to hell and does nothing for hte sake of yoru salvation while within a place ment for the congregation of spiritual teachers and students. I find the nature of its apathy disgusting.

So first you want us to save each other...

Bring the sword and let them turn to rend eachother....

And then you'd rather we kill each other.

Why not do what we actually CAN do and set aside our differences and band together to help others?

I saw a guy do his 3rd degree memory memory work to be past to a Master Mason and he just kept on thanking the Masons in attendance there for allowing him to be a part of it. He said "before we get started let me say thank you, thank you so much for allowing me to be a part of this, you have no idea how much this means to me."
I couldn't completely understand his gratitude then.

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Please tell me you are not of the belief that you are going to heaven,and anyone else of a different religion, is going to hell.

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Heaven and hell are states of mind. There is no afterlife... and the soul is a metaphor NOT a material thing. Abiogenesis is correct and what we call our universe is a subatomic particle in an atom at another fractal resolution. o yeah and what we discribe as god is really the obeserved patterns in the fractals propagation.

So if im right.... it doesnt grant me anything. IF im wrong i get to know all the people i thought would rather kill themselves than live in a world where god doesnt exist will happily carry on their crusades throughout the universe. Atleast ill know that there really is hope for the hopeless. And all those billions of humans that died so i could have a mild immune protection from the influenza virus would be in a magical heaven instead of just dead. Either way its a win win for me. id feel great about being wrong.

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it sounds like you are misinformed. Masonry doesn't force any beliefs on it members. They already come to masonry with a belief in a higher power and thus, hope for an afterlife. And it's members are free to discuss anything they wish outside of the lodge. We just understand that religion and politics are best not discussed since that is an easy way to cause a divide. We strive for unity.

As for your belief, I do hope you are wrong, but in reality, nobody will know until just after their last breath. But finding out is inevitable. In time.

Originally posted by Wertdagf
I find the nature of its apathy disgusting.

It is not called apathy, it is called tolerance.

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O so its simply tolerating that your brother is going to hell?

Kinda like tolerating children starving or getting cancer? Your just so helpless wih all your wisdom arent you?

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I didnt realize how hard keeping the peace was. With a bunch of damaged individuals that can only find reason to be good people with the threat of eternal damnation hanging over their heads. So yes everyone keep the peace wouldnt want any of those people losing their "good guy" insurance. Who knows what they might do? I do.. And your right i wouldnt want them commiting suicide either. Although i think. Building a pretty little cage were they can circle jerk with their friends untill they die ISNT what i call brotherly love.

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I would say in your opinion is this so, but so much can be said to the hand-print of God in all things.

Fellow Master Mason, Welome to a beautiful and kind brotherhood. I was was made a master in november of 08 and i enjoyed so much the degree-work. I love the 3rd degree it is such an amazing story.

Welcome Master and Brother. and may the god you call your own bless you and bless you.

-Matt

Originally posted by Wertdagf
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I didnt realize how hard keeping the peace was. With a bunch of damaged individuals that can only find reason to be good people with the threat of eternal damnation hanging over their heads. So yes everyone keep the peace wouldnt want any of those people losing their "good guy" insurance.

Following some simple rules keeps the peace quite well. Don't act like an ass, and don't badger people about religion or politics. I understand some folks cannot deal with that much structure.

Who knows what they might do? I do.. And your right i wouldnt want them commiting suicide either. Although i think. Building a pretty little cage were they can circle jerk with their friends untill they die ISNT what i call brotherly love.

I am not sure where you heard that, but I would agree 100%, not my idea of a good time either. My advice would be to avoid situations like that. In masonry, we meet with friends and teach some things that help everyone involved have a better quality of life. It' all voluntary, and there is no strange sexual or satanic things about it. The Bible is the main focus of our teachings. While you may not agree with that, we do.

sorry to rain on your parade but Master Mason, despite the cool sounding title, is still very low on the totem pole. i've worked for a couple of these master masons and let me tell you they are nothing special. you are still a regular everyday person.

Originally posted by SGTSECRET
sorry to rain on your parade but Master Mason, despite the cool sounding title, is still very low on the totem pole. i've worked for a couple of these master masons and let me tell you they are nothing special. you are still a regular everyday person.

Here's a hint. ALL Masons are regular, everyday people. There is no totem pole.

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The 3rd degree, Master Mason, is the highest degree one can attain in Masonry.

My father is a master mason. He is an incredible man no matter what, but I would venture a guess that his being a master mason has helped in business. He can get things accomplished like no one else I have ever seen, always knows what to say, and is nearly always right. There seems to be a Good Old Boy network going around sometimes, but of course, I don't know anything specific since it is all secret.

I would totally join if I were male. If my husband expressed interest in joining, I would encourage him and happily join the Eastern Star.