Hip Hop is raising our children to be ignorant and racist

hip hop up to the barn, driving on the tractor all around my farm,
hop hip crack another beer, polish up the gun dont you come round here.

I would appreciate it more if there were more effort put into substance,
some of the hip hop just relys on shock and nasty.

its funny how you see these "fake" performers pushed onto the market, and people with real talent get NO air play,
It doesnt fit the agenda.

People need to seprate entertainment from reality and non-fiction from fiction. I'm off to go meet my friend for drinks and will provide a very in depth response to this thread.

Originally posted by blupblup

Originally posted by mplsbookworm
You hate people who tar all things with the same brush? It is ignorant? What is tar? lol...Im ignorant? So now you are saying you hate me and I am supposed to even consider you a factor in a topic about raising kids.

Er....It's a figure of speech.
Of course i don't hate you, i don't even know you.

Your entire reply to me is now based on the (false) premise/understanding that i hate you.
Why would i be so ignorant.

When i said "I hate people who tar things with the same brush" i would have thought that you'd have the intelligence or understanding to know that i didn't mean i actually hate you?

It's like saying.... "It pisses me off when people...."
"It really annoys me when people"

etc. etc....


I mean seriously??

You think i hate you...?

You can sit and tell me your second hand stories about music and how you disagree..blah blah blah. Kids could care less about the new underground hip hop album being released. They dont LIKE IT!!!! Do you not see who sells records? Our children LIKE THIS CRAP not your demo CD.

Of course i do.. but as i said, it's music and mainstream music in particular, that is the problem.
NOT just mainstream hip-hop.

And i don't have a demo CD... thanks for your concern though.

I get personally bothered with people like you on ATS. Not because you voice your opinion but because you say elementary crap like I hate people because they dont agree with me!

Awesome... but as i pointed out, if you could read without taking everything literally then perhaps you would have read my post in the right way.
Not as a hate-filled tirade at you... more a "why do people lump all one genre in together" type of thing.

I don't hate anyone to be honest and i do apologise if you actually thought i was saying that i literally hated you.
Although i don't see how you (or i) could make that assumption as we've never met??

Aaaaaanyway....

Why even post. You hate people? I am ignorant? Sweety, you have NO idea who I am or what I know about music. Chat with me and ask me my connection to the industry then try and school me.

No and no.
I don't hate you (as I've pointed out several times) and i don't know whether you're ignorant because i don't know you?

See if you would have just responded to my post instead of deciding that i was saying that i hated you... perhaps we could have had a decent conversation.

Remind me not to say the following in future.

"I'm dying to see *insert movie here* soon.

"I'm starving...i need to go eat"

I wouldn't want you calling an ambulance you know?

I love you even if you hate me. I hope that you learn to understand the power of influence as well as the power of negativity.

I don't hate you.... jesus.
You based your entire post on a misunderstanding.


I love you too

Thanks. And maybe your right...attribute it to my insomnia. I just get frustrated sometimes. And I am sorry to seem that if I was judging you or any of the above. I just want to learn without hate. I want to read without evil sometimes. I understand not agreeing....but being mean is another topic.

Thanks hun...I really do love you too and I thank you for replying. I based my post on a PERSONAL experience. You may not understand but I am not here to make you understand. I post what I feel at a certain time. You are appreciated.



[edit on 27/11/09 by blupblup]

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Ok cool.... glad we cleared that up.
I clearly would not say i hated someone... not on the internet, not in real life.



Take it easy and spread the love.


Peace

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Nothing personal, but i remember when i was a kid, back in New York, when hip hop was coming out (in the 80s, i was a kid but i was there. Fat Boys, Run DMC, EPMD), they said the same thing. Well, EPMD and KRS-One did, hehe.

What kills me is that people suddenly think rap turned gangsta when 2PAC and NWA dropped their tracks and it's so far from the truth that i must admit i start to tune those guys out.

The only difference with hip hop now than what it was in the past is that it's being listened to in suburban white America and it's geared towards the mainstream, which are white people. That's who the target demographic is nowadays and quite honestly it explains why it totally sucks.

Rather than spit bars, artists know if they come up with a elementary school rhyme and a catchy beat it will sell like hot cakes, now who is to blame? The artist for making it or the consumer for buying it?

There are plenty of MCs that are underground and are quite successful, stackin chips like Pringles. And the good'ol US gov tried to shut it down to no avail (Google what happened to DJ Drama).

Don't blame the music because you can't make a connection to it. I know plenty of people that grew up and still listen to rap and they turned out fine. What the problem is (IMO) is that there is a cultural barrier with hip hop and it's something that some white folks quite simply don't understand. If i could, i'd have Paul Wall break down for you, it's a cultural difference with the music.

If you don't like the hip hop culture that's fine. But don't try to pin the ills of society squarely at it's feet. The problems and issues have always been there it's just that you have never paid attention.

Q: How do you dumb down an entire population?

A: By shoving brainless Hip Hop or Pop Music down the kids' ears.

Q: How do you brainwash people into consuming trash they do not need

A: By selling a superficial "buy more crap" message to the kids via Hip Hop and Pop Music lyrics

Q: How do you build more prisons and imprison more of your population

A: Glorify crime for kids with the use of Hip Hop lyrics

Q: How do you prevent people from becoming literate

A: Give them illiterate Hip Hop lyrics to listen to and recite over and over

Q: How do you destroy music with a positive and truthful message

A: Give them music which has a negative and superficial message, like Hip Hop

Therefore, Hip Hop is not only a huge moneymaker, it is raising an entire population of brainwashed future idiots and criminals, who will be easily manipulated and exploited. Since the United States has never had any worthwhile culture to speak of, it is the perfect breeding ground for such a hideous form of expression.

Anything can be that horrible when it comes to music. All is in the lyrics and on the way the beats work.
I will tell you this: I hate Hip Hop, I have listened to many Hip Hop songs, and I have yet to find one with positive lyrics. Although, it is not worse than Latin American reggeaton, with which they treat women to be nothing more than sexual objects. What is worse is that this kind of music (all of dehumanizing music, not just Hip Hop and Reggeaton) are reaching younger ears this days, and that absolutely kills me. It kills me to a whole new level when I see a little girl listening to (apologizes for the word) crap like Daddy Yankee, T-Pain, and others. Not only children listen to it, but teens as well. I am sure it is because of this that Metal lost Mainstream access a few years back, and unfortunately I don't see it returning to it anytime soon.

I used to hate Rap as well, because most of it was dehumanizing for women as well, until I found Eminem and the songs he dedicates to his daughters are actually pretty nice, regardless of the swearing.

Now, I am sure many of you disagree with Metal having positive messages as well, But to see that you would really have to get involved in that scene, and you will see that even Death Metal has one or two positive messages every here and there. Or if you are like me, you will like things that are completely opposite to one another. I like Diablo Swing Orchestra which is one of my favorite bands, and they go heavenly against religion. I also like Steven Curtis Chapman a lot, and his music is excessively Christian . But exposing your children to this kind of music can't do any harm. Just keep them away of music that is dehumanizing, racist, and that goes against humanity in one way or another.

U r not for real, youre making one massivel general statement about a genre of music that gives people hope. Yep admit some of the mainstream stuff s rubbish but the same is true of all genres. If you want to see real music go undeground. Its poetry and if you dont like it just go and fnd somethng else to listen too.
It reflects what people, see and feel and share, it can be moving, political and most of all real..
Further have you ever listened to some of the hip hop instrumentals they are truley amzazng. there delicate tunes and full of emotion..
Tis each 4 there own in life bud and soz u show your ignoracne if dats all you think hip hop is

jst to get you started... listen 2 it contains the same msg that a lot of peeps send

www.youtube.com...

www.youtube.com...

and somethin a little more chill

www.youtube.com...

kenx

Originally posted by spirit777child

Originally posted by mplsbookworm

Originally posted by spirit777child
Yes, my posting does represent my view of hip hop, isnt that the purpose of individual posting? I state my opinion which I see undebatable. I am sorry, I have been there and done that with the music industry. I have heard demos and heard rap that is enlightening. But I am an artist myself and dont need to be musically motivated to build and understanding. Not my thing. I will always represent my feelings because that is what I am a master of...ME!

[edit on 11/27/09 by mplsbookworm]

A true artist respects the craft of other atrists, you obviously have no respect for the craft of hip hop given your one sided view!
You do not need to use hiphop to build an understanding but you can use a lot of conscious hiphop to help you understand many things, for hip hop/rap are life stories.....or others realities through words...if that does not motivate or move you then you are as good as dead.

- Tell me what you know about being a true artist? Are you an artist or are you a fan? I have no respect for the craft? You can not tell me about hip hop and the stories told. Do you wanna debate lyrics and artists and origins of the such? Please tell me yes and we can do so because I can quote MANY artists to heart. Jay Z "do you fools listen to music or do you just skim through it" You skim sweety. You dont understand.

"I might go crazy on these niggas I dont give a mother#
Run up in a nigga house and shoot his grandmother up what!
What I dont give a mother# get cha baby kidnapped
And ya baby mother#ed
It's tha Carter 3 bitch better put ya supper up
Hollygrove I throw it up like im tryna lose my gut
# is up beat him up like a million uppercuts
Got a million duffeled up for the # of it
# get on my level you cant get on my level
You would need a spaceshuttle or a ladder thats forever
However im better if now than never
Dont you ever fix ya lips unless you bout to suck my dick" Lil Wayne

I respect and more so understand the point of view. I know what they are saying and why. Do I want my kids to listen to this crap...NO! And they dont, but their friends do!

I am an embarrassment to who? WOW. I love you hun. You need a hug. I virtually hug you because you have no idea the nature of my heart. I am a loving person and a good person. You are an embarrassment to all that care about our childrens future. You my dear, are acting deaf, dumb, and blind. You can call me names but you cant see me. You will never see me. You cant see me. I am a ATS ghost and your words although hateful, are hidden behind the mask of the internet and being tough over the internet is not a credit to your character. It is a front and I love you for it.



IMHO you are an embaressment to the human race.

Star and flag for you Brother/Sister,

I feel what your posting. You have wise thoughts and you are trying to do good for you and yours. Blessings to you. I "read" your posts rather than skimmin through them. I was just feeling shi* and had a bad day.

One love

spirit



I understand feeling crappy and I thank you for stating so. I was feeling crappy as well so I understand. I apprecite that we can agree and you can see where I was attempting to come from. Im not trying to create havoc just voicing frustration as you were as well. You my dear are definitely not the mean person I thougt you were. Thanks and peace.

Originally posted by purplemer
U r not for real, youre making one massivel general statement about a genre of music that gives people hope. Yep admit some of the mainstream stuff s rubbish but the same is true of all genres. If you want to see real music go undeground. Its poetry and if you dont like it just go and fnd somethng else to listen too.
It reflects what people, see and feel and share, it can be moving, political and most of all real..
Further have you ever listened to some of the hip hop instrumentals they are truley amzazng. there delicate tunes and full of emotion..
Tis each 4 there own in life bud and soz u show your ignoracne if dats all you think hip hop is

jst to get you started... listen 2 it contains the same msg that a lot of peeps send

www.youtube.com...

www.youtube.com...

and somethin a little more chill

www.youtube.com...

kenx

I am making a statement that is true in my community. I dont need references, I worked in the music industry for years. I understand all types of music and their origins. Please dont mistake me for uninformed...I am VERY musically inclined.

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I am posting these pics because I am showing that I have a genuine music connection. I was VERY active in the music business. I was an artist, as you can see in my performance pic. My husband is FAMILY to Pharrell Williams and Shae from NERD as you can see my husband with Pharrell as kids and Shae in my wedding.

I am not speaking as an outsider. I have inside connection and I understand way more then I am being given credit for. I dont need references to music....I am asking for you to understand I see things happening to the kids around me and it is WRONG. If you agree or not is up to you. You may feel it is motivational to you, but the MAINSTREAM hip hop is what kids are buying and they are being taught the WRONG crap by these people. Real talk.





[edit on 11/28/09 by mplsbookworm]

Yo, everyone check this out. Rap at its finest...

Rap music promotes their listeners/fans to:

A. Speaking poorly
B. Behaving poorly
C. Looking poorly


It seems 'Hip-Hop' is ruining society's youth. I see it daily. It's a 'f-you' mindset.

ALL Rap is about: Money. Cars. 15 inch rims (uh.. ok, what is that REALLY going to do for you in life? idiots) and loose women. (Degrading women too).

Just bad.. In the 80's it was so much cleaner.

As much as people may want to deny the obvious, SOME hip hop music is rather disgusting. It refers to women as hoes, whores, and bitches. It glorifies guns and violence. It also glorifies drug abuse.

Hip Hop, however, is just a current product of capitalism and greed. The current system in the US benefits the few at the expense of the many. Most small businesses in today's day and age are crushed at the hands of Multi-national corporations.

In fact, most small businesses today fail within the first several months.

The current form of capitalism is a sham and only serves to benefit the few.

Sadly, Most Americans view any system that serves to benefit the whole as opposed to the few as socialism which should be eradicated at any and all costs.

These people can't even see that they are being lied to and played by corporations and their shills that are dispersed throughout the mainstream media corporations. They hear Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and Sarah Palin tell them that within the new health care reform bill lies a plot to kill their families and they actually believe these individuals.

A segment of American society are protesting against change that would actually serve to benefit themselves and yet they cannot even see it. They have bought in to the lies, propaganda and fear mongering instigated by the private insurance corporations that currently bilk American citizens out of billions of dollars a year.

It is really quite sad. In America, even peoples very lives are profited off of. Maybe someday they will see just how sickening that reality truly is.

Jesus Christ would have fought tooth and nail to end the profiteering off of the very lives of American citizens.

And yet America calls themselves a Christian nation? Perhaps they should consider acting like one.

A while back there was Volkswagen tv commercial with four young white businessmen in suits in a car listening to and singing to rap music and they were flailing their hands and arms and physically grooving to the music the way rappers do. Then suddenly a cell phone rings in the car and immediately every one of the young men sits straight up to attention, stops flailing their arms, look all serious while one of them answers the phone in a professional fashion, speaks into the phone something along the lines of "yes sir Mr Smith, right away sir" For those four young men the rap music was merely a form of entertainment that they were able to separate from their professional business selves.

My concern is that in the contemporary african american youth culture there is a tendency to look at the rap musician as an ideal to strive towards and not just an entertaining diversion. I have my doubts that if the youths in the volkswagon were African American young men from the inner city, grooving to the music and the boss suddenly called, that the youths would so automatically, without thinking, get business serious, because the actual Rapper artist that they may identify with, would presumably not answer to anyone because hip hop rappers are always king of the world lacking any humility whatsoever. While thinking that way may be professionally helpful to the rapper artist himself, it will be very detrimental to the young person in the business world and by default to all the members of the culture holding those values regardless of their race. It just so happens, that the identification with hip hop rappers as not just entertainers but also as role models, has predominantly occurred with the members of the African American race.

[edit on 29-11-2009 by QtheQ]

Monkey see monkey do.

A lot of people in this world are dumb...

When you are surrounded by smart individuals, you forget the sheer numbers of idiots in this world.

No I am not talking about people with different opinions than me. I am talking about people who (as said in this thread) here a song and applies the lyrics to reality in the most extreme ways.

reply to post by QtheQ


This is an unfair statement to a lot of MC's and artists. Recording always takes a very long time. It is by no means 'fun' and is very arduous and it takes away lots of energy. Just because the image of the artist is to look 'care-free' and like that, but it's not the reality at all.

Its all about respect.

Respect in this world is disappearing. Music usually amplifies cuurent events. Currently, our world is falling apart because of greed, power, ego and entitlement.

It is all about me me me me! Music emulates this with messages of think and do for and about yourself and screw everyone else. You are entitled to everything and if its not given to you, you must demand it. If you cant get it, use any means to get it.

50's rock and roll, was about having fun letting loose, a break from strict upbringing. The end of WW2 made people relax a little and want to have fun again.

60's and early 70's was about experimenting while having fun. And was also split because of war rearing its ugly head again, so music protested against war and pushed freedom and peace. With the exception of punk which pushed anarchy against the PTB.

Late 70's and 80's returned once again to just having fun. 80's music was full of songs about partying and just having fun. Disco, new wave, pop, early rap/hip hop, and heavy metal, hair metal etc. mnost was about having fun.

90's once again shed the fun, enter grunge and violent hip hop and numetal wanna be punk.

Nowadays music is all over the map, there is no single agenda or force driving it, only immorality and a sense of entitlement. This is a reflection of the current state of affairs. The world is just a mess all round, and yet nothing specific. So music is lost and confused not knowing which direction to go. So it goes in every direction.

reply to post by mplsbookworm

hey im soz if i called u uniformed, i just get a bit vexed when peep seem to a whole genre of mucic for the bads of the world. I read you reply and do understand where your coming from,some mainstream hip hop can be deemed offensive and im sure to some extent it does have negative affects on peeps lives. Inst that the case for a lot of mainstream music no days noy just hip hop its plastic with empty values.
Is music a product of people, or people a product of music?
I wud say both, they cannot be sepearted so may be by knockin hop hop ur knocking peeps and the values that peeps have. Is it these peeps faults or is it the fault of the whole? Society is changing and it dont seem for the better, the world has gone a bit mad and peeps and music with it..
Dats the way i see it anyways

kx

a little remark from bert:

hip hop is a youth culture. it's a language, for kids to express themselves.
eg, most of peace not war (www.peace.fm...) acts do hip hop to transport their message to rant against the wars in the middle east, racism, fascism, social issues, aso. because music is catchy, loud, outragous, non authoritarian... and cool. it's what the kids actually listen to, rather than newspapers and books.

there's music and dance projects to get kids off the streets. away from drugs and crime.

so, not all bad, eh?

yo!
bertrand

Originally posted by Pharyax
Rap music promotes their listeners/fans to:
A. Speaking poorly
B. Behaving poorly
C. Looking poorly

It seems 'Hip-Hop' is ruining society's youth. I see it daily. It's a 'f-you' mindset.

ALL Rap is about: Money. Cars. 15 inch rims (uh.. ok, what is that REALLY going to do for you in life? idiots) and loose women. (Degrading women too).
Just bad.. In the 80's it was so much cleaner.

You have NO idea.
There is much positive/conscious Hip-Hop.


REAL lyrics










Actually listen to these and listen to the lyrics.

NONE of these (or crap-loads more i could post) are about Bitches and money or rims...

Such ignorance.


A couple of Uk Hip-hop tunes for good measure.















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