North Eastern OHIO...BLASTED with CHEMTRAILS....HELP!

Originally posted by dodadoom
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On the first page...one of the pictures shown is from pitot tubes on an air quality sampling page.

Aircraft pulling turns don't do so over 90 degrees unless they are current generation fighter planes. Airliners most certainly need a turn radius, and that is what is shown in the circle picture.

There are two images showing cloud iridescence of the water vapour passing over the wing of a plane and I suspect that the colours have been enchanced.

The "sprayer nozzle" shown is an ice testing rig on the back of an nkc 135 test unit, which sprays water into the path of aircraft being tested to see how they handle icy conditions in flight see here for an F22 being tested

I also see photos of holding patterns, air lanes and contrails being formed at altitude, with photo's being taken from other aircraft in the vicinity.

Thats just the first page, and it shows how much assumption is being made by these claims.

More info here, and yes, its from Contrail Science, but it shows the actual equipment, and describes what it is used for.

Lets not get fooled by charlatans and frauds. What is posted on some of these sites is absolute junk science.

reply to post by neformore


No bubbles here to burst. But, no, the position is not relative to the camera person only. They cover the sky in the direction of the sun first now. This started a little over two years ago.

reply to post by Phage


There's the WWII common response I mentioned earlier. Thing is, don't some who dismiss these theories outright (maybe not you specifically) also usually say something like, well planes are different today and so is the fuel.

reply to post by neformore


You do understand that the clouds come from these? So there are typically no clouds there to begin with. Cloud irridescence.

What's your take on the dark lines that often accompany these persistent contrails?

Contrails are clouds of ice particles formed around the small particles (aerosols) which are in aircraft exhaust. When these persist after the passage of the plane they are of great interest to researchers. Under the right conditions, clouds initiated by passing aircraft can spread with time to cover the whole sky

reply to post by ATC_GOD


See it dosn't end there. Now you have to tell me why I never seen anything like this during the sixtys, seventys, eighties and most of the ninties.

You know what I'm going to buy it because if your wrong Mr.Mod it prolly don't matter much anyway. As I said earlier I'd love to be handed my azz
on this topic.

I CONCEDE

Thanks to Phage Chawickus and Neformore for helping me deny ignorance.

[edit on 24-11-2009 by randyvs]

[edit on 24-11-2009 by randyvs]

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
No bubbles here to burst. But, no, the position is not relative to the camera person only. They cover the sky in the direction of the sun first now. This started a little over two years ago.

The position of the sun in the sky with relation to a contrail is relevant to the position of the person looking at it.

The contrail only takes up a small part of the sky. If you are standing with the contrail between you and the sun, it will appear to be blocking it. If you are standing with the contrail behind you, the appearance of the sun will be unchanged. Its all a matter of perspective.

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
You do understand that the clouds come from these? So there are typically no clouds there to begin with. Cloud irridescence.

What's your take on the dark lines that often accompany these persistent contrails?

The sky is full of water vapour. How do you think clouds form? The action of the wing surface moving through the vapour causes a pressure differential, affecting the temperature of the air and causing it to condense. Sunlight shining through water droplets causes iridescence. Its similar to how rainbows are formed.

Wiki- contrails.

The dark lines sometimes observed are shadows. Contrail Shadows

Originally posted by randyvs

Contrails are clouds of ice particles formed around the small particles (aerosols) which are in aircraft exhaust. When these persist after the passage of the plane they are of great interest to researchers. Under the right conditions, clouds initiated by passing aircraft can spread with time to cover the whole sky

reply to post by ATC_GOD

 

See it dosn't end there. Now you have to tell me why I never seen anything like this during the sixtys, seventys, eighties and most of the ninties.

Maybe in turn you can tell me why I have seen these exact same things in the 80's and 90's?

Maybe you didn't pay attention to them...maybe you are watching mroe now...who knows

I can attest for sure that these same phenomena did indeed occur at those decades (80's to 90's)

-Kyo

what I saw didn't look like any of the chemtrail pictures posted here but it was so strange i just had to make note of it here for future reference. the location is south ontario, lake erie.

strange day to see it too. there had to be 500 people lined up in the streets waiting to get their flu shots. on top of that, i saw two army guys wrap black bandanas around their faces and run across the road into some field. where they came from and what they were doing i have no idea. i just know it's not something i would normally see around these parts.

reply to post by ~Lucidity

There is nothing to dismiss. Contrails, persistent and otherwise, form as a result of hot water vapor combining with cold air at high altitudes. It doesn't matter what kind of engine produces the hot water vapor. Internal combustion engines do, and jet turbines do.

My point in posting the video was to show dodadoom how contrail formation can be intermittent.

[edit on 11/24/2009 by Phage]

I live in Columbus Ohio and was outside about two days ago and two high flying planes were leaving something behind. This was not your average Delta flight. I thought great I will probably get sick in about a week.
I am now getting a sore throat and sneezing, probably just a coincidence.
By the way I never get sick I have OCD and was my hands constantly.

Thanks for the good news!

Theres prolly many other things that can kill us besides chemtrails anyway to look forward too!
Good ol' air pollution by itself doesn't taste so good, IMO.
I'm sure that wont ever change much.
Maybe with some hot sauce on it though!
Wish they would just spray some febreez once in awhile!
Sheez!

[edit on 24-11-2009 by dodadoom]

I have to wonder if the people responsible for these 'chemtrails' are the ones the following prophecy refers to. Currently there isn't anyone else who fits the bill except maybe the pharma companies. And if this is the case then maybe I am in the wrong boat here and have to rethink things.

Revelations 11:6These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

reply to post by neformore


You missed my point about the sun. They obscure it first and entirely. We are not speaking here of ONE trail but many, criss-crossed until they spread and obscure the entire "view of the sun" for anyone on the ground.

The shadows don't lie as normal shadows would unless they are getting light from some source unseen to me.

I guess you would just have had to observe these yourself, many, many times, to actually "get it."

reply to post by KyoZero

Not so much the 80s. They really started gearing up in the 90s.

[edit on 25-11-2009 by ~Lucidity]

Sometimes it is difficult to accept common sense, but we all have to eventually..



Semper

I have noticed MASSIVE amounts of chemtrails lately just streaming across the sky aswell here in south florida. Not a couple days later did i have a runny nose and headache, Everyone with me did. What the heck is going on guys???

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
You missed my point about the sun. They obscure it first and entirely. We are not speaking here of ONE trail but many, criss-crossed until they spread and obscure the entire "view of the sun" for anyone on the ground.

You missed my point I think, actually.

What you perceive to be a cloud in front of the sun is not the same for another person standing on the ground some distance away. The clouds fill the sky from your particular point of view, not for everyone everywhere.

Clouds have been obscuring the sun over patches of ground since water vapour became prevalent in the atmosphere. It doesn't mean that it is cloudly everywhere.

reply to post by neformore


wrong, dude. let's drop it.

reply to post by neformore


You are both right in some respect. Man made clouds aka contrails change albedo thus overall energetic exchange of planet. That is fact. There maybe some clandestine weather modification projects going on with similar goals. That is speculation but relevant and important for me. Nobody presented me argument that it is impossible - on other hand I have bunch of patents which say that it is possible and bunch of government papers setting weather modification as goal for ..... Chemtrails idea is not dead for me.

EDIT to add: aside from chemtreals: If I'm farmer or have photovoltaic panels I can sue air traffic companies for loss directly connected to dimming my sky by them.

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reply to post by zeddissad

There is no requirement that something patented has to work as claimed.
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I wouldn't put a lot of stock in the "climate control" patents. I haven't seen one from a meteorologist yet.

Originally posted by Phage
You can see it happen in this video featuring B-17's producing persistent contrails in WWII.
[edit on 11/24/2009 by Phage]

Wheres the "conclusive proof" that these trails persisted
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...IMO what ~Lucidity is saying, is that they are covering directly under the sun. Perspective or no perspective there is a spot on the earth at any given time that is directly under the sun.