Third Secret of Fatima: behind the curtains.

I grew up catholic, went to catholic school for 10 years etc... and i always wondered about the 3rd Secret of Fatima, and "knew" that there was something more than a failed assasination attempt of the pope.

Im sure it detailed the end of the world, our civilization, and gave specific dates. No one in power (vatican, US government) does not and will not allow information that people would take so seriously to leak out.

What Mary REALLY said- the world will never know. We can only guess.

Originally posted by staple
I never understood what gives the church the ability to create the word of god? Besides "thats the way it has been" and because they have a pretty church, why is it taken as truth? What gives those who are in power the "power"? I'll be honest, I am not looking to be convinced of a god or that this particular religion is right. Just why is that this particular "revelation or secret" so important. What qualifications do you need to be a prophet?

The Church didn't create the Fatima story. If it's a fraud it's more likely that the parents of the children had something to do with it. In the case of this secret being so important and qualifications of "playing the prophet", Fatima has many of the necessary ingredients that make it seem credible, whether authentic or not. 3 children under the age of 10 together claim to witness and receive messages from a lady from heaven. Visions last for 6 months, an eternity at that age. At the end of the visions, a promise of a miracle for all to believe. An alleged miracle at the time is foretold and witnessed or lied about by many in a crowd of 70,000 people, on October 13th, 1917, regarding the sun in rapid motion and visions of Jesus and Mary. Predictions of two of the children's own deaths. The living seer spends the rest of her life devoted to God as a nun. A prophecy of world wide disaster and a prediction of a sign from God(night illuminated by an unknown light). Assassination attempt on the Pope on the anniversary of the Fatima events. etc.






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Originally posted by xynephadyn
What Mary REALLY said- the world will never know. We can only guess.

I have to wonder if the Fatima prophecy began to fulfill would the Pope of the prophecy, (Pope Benedict XVI?) reveal the rest of the prophecy and admit to the cover-up. I would hope so.

These are two other obscure Fatima prophecies regarding the Pope, included in Lucia's third memoir:

The Pope was "in a very large house, kneeling before a table with his face in his hands. he was crying. Many people were in front of the house, some were throwing stones, while others were cursing him and using foul language."

Jacinta had a vision of: "many, many roads, highways and fields jammed with people weeping with hunger for they have nothing to eat. And the Holy Father praying in a church before the Immaculate Heart of Mary. And many people praying with him." Lucia had seen none of this.



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On the last page I just told you what the secret was!

Didn't you also read Malachi Martin's "Windswept House"?
(Google that,too,and you'll find out what he said.)

It's not just fiction-it only had to be written that way for obvious reasons.

There's even a key you can find that says who alot of these "fictional" characters are.

This is crucial information really. A favorite writer of mine,Tom Horn,also just brought this up in his book,"Apollyon Rising". You can read about it in Part 30 at Defender Publishing.com(He's provided excerpts as he's gone along;the book only vcame out a couple of weeks ago.)

I'm not boasting about this knowledge. It blew me away that I had posted about it before he wrote about it! As I've said,I pray for God's guidance in showing me things,and it's for His glory,not mine. (I'm living proof that God uses the foolish things of the world to confound the wise!)

Originally posted by On the Edge
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On the last page I just told you what the secret was!

Didn't you also read Malachi Martin's "Windswept House"?
(Google that,too,and you'll find out what he said.)

I know what Malachi Martin said about the secret. I provided the quotes. The secret is not simply about the Catholic church becoming the seat of Satan. Yes, the Bible says that out of Rome will spring the satanic religion of the end-times, and become associated with the antichrist.
But the Fatima secret, is about martyrdom, Russia, physical chastisement, spiritual chastisement, a deadline or time-frame, and probably also among other things, about the "Many Cardinals, many Bishops and many Priests are on the road to perdition" to quote the alleged Marian apparitions of Garabandal, Spain from 1965.

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Well, I have been studying the Christian end times for years now. Ever since I ran across the 9-11 prophecy in the book of Daniel. So after working this over for so many years I have come to the following conclusions. The Apocalypse appears to have already started. Myh best guess at the present. The pause of the 5th seal.

And I also have a timeframe on the very last event of the Apocalypse. The thousand year reign of the saints should start no later than the spring of 2028.

So here is my proofs on the subject so far.

One, Matthew 24 and the fig tree parable. I believe the fig tree parables of the new testament are actually a veiled reference to the ancient nation of Judea. The current nation of Israel.

That would mean the rebirth of Israel was an end time event. And if you study verses 32 through 34 you have an approximate timeline for the end times. The lifetime of a generation. That is defined in Psalms 90-10 as being 70 to 80 years long. Eighty years from 5-15-1948 is 5-15-2028.

Did he mean this timeframe? I think so when the next prophecy is put into the mix.

Two. The prophecy is the book of Hosea. But to condense the message Hosea is trying to impart you can just study the following verses. Hosea 5 verse 14 and 6 verses 1 and 2. The point of Hosea in a nutshell? What he is telling us is that the ancient Jews and Israelites were going to trigger a top level Leviticus 26 curse. And verses 1 and 2 are the timeframe. 2 days followed by a day of redemption. But the days are in the presence of God.
Psalms 90-4 and 2nd Peter 3-8 tell us that a day in the presence of God is as a thousand years on the earth.

That curse is supposed to last 2000 years. And if you figure in that it takes approximatly a generation for such a curse to take effect the approx. timeframe for the start of it was 30 to 35 AD. Not much of a strech for 28 AD eh?

Now you have 2 prophesies pointing to the 2020s as a very important period of time.

Three. Daniel 8 and 11-2. The problem here is quite simple. Sometimes bible prophesies repeat. And if you look at verse 11-2 it reads like a 9-11 prophesy.

Now one verse is interesting. But now the problem is chap. 8. If you read it the story line is that a powerful nation in the west attacks and conquers 2 nations in the middle east. The broken horns. So the problem is that Daniel appears to have predicted 3 major events of the past 9 years. The math on that is really wild. Especially considering that as part of the Ottoman Empire there had no separate nations to conquer there for hundreds of years.

So all things considered it appears that it time to get nervous.

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I admit I skimmed what you wrote. I was looking to see mention of "The Enthronement of the Fallen Archangel Lucifer".

Pardon me!

Originally posted by On the Edge

By the way,The Catholic church was involved in the formation of the Islamic religion.

Please elaborate!
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BTW great thread OP!

This, to me, says it all:

Pope John Paul II to a small group of Catholics in Germany in 1980 and as quoted by the German magazine Stimme des Glaubens regarding the Third Secret of Fatima -

"It should be sufficient for all Christians to know this much - a message in which it is said that the oceans will flood entire sections of the earth; that, from one moment to the other, millions of people will perish... there is no longer any point in really wanting to publish this secret message. Many want to know merely out of curiosity, or because of their taste for sensationalism, but they forget that ’to know’ implies for them a responsibility. It is dangerous to want to satisfy one’s curiosity only, if one is convinced that we can do nothing against a catastrophe that has been predicted."

If true, we will not know until it is upon us.

If they tell us and it's wrong, it will cause a lack of faith. If it's true and something like what the Pope stated above and they tell us now, there will be chaos.

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Oh, I love Fatima. I, do not believe the Vatican was completely honest with the release of the third secret. To me, an assassination attempt on the Pope just doesn't seem deserving of an apparition. Granted he is important to Catholics, but he is just a man and men are killed everyday. Thanks for reminding me to pick back up my copy of The Fatima Priest ( author Francis Alban). Have you read it? Any opinions?

Here is a Fragment of the alleged 3rd Secret of Fatima Text, written originally in Portugese, and published in various formats:

Some of the original verses are apparently missing in places:

The 3rd Secret of the Fatima was revealed at the Cova da Iria-Fatima, on 13 July 1917.

QUOTE

"After the first 2 Parts which I have already written, here now is the 3rd vision:

(...)

At the left of the [Virgin Mary] and a little above, we saw an Angel with a flaming sword in his left hand.

Flashing, it gave out flames that looked as though they would set the world on fire; but they died out in contact with the splendour that the Virgin radiated towards him from her right hand:

Pointing to the earth with his right hand, the Angel cried out in a loud voice: ‘Penance, Penance, Penance !!'.

(...)

Then we saw in an bright light as though it came from the Most High: ‘something similar to how people appear in a mirror when they pass in front of it' a Bishop dressed in White ‘we had the impression that it was the Pope.

(...)

Other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious going up a steep mountain, at the top of which there was a big Cross of rough-hewn trunks as of a cork-tree with the bark still on it.

Before reaching the top of the mountain, the Pope had to walk through a large City, which was lying half in smoking ruins, and he was walking half trembling with a halting step.

He was clearly afflicted with much pain and sorrow, and was praying for the souls of the dead corpses he came across on the road.


(...)

Then having reached the top of the mountain, on his knees while he was praying at the foot of the big Cross he himself was shot dead in cold blood by soldiers who were firing bullets and missiles directly at him.

Also in the fray, Bishops and Priests were all shot dead around him, one after another, both male and female clergy, as well as many lay persons of various ranks---they had all been shot dead in cold blood on the spot.

(...)

Beneath the two arms of the Cross we saw two Angels each with a crystal Aspersorium in his hand, in which they both gathered up the blood of the slain and with the warm blood sprinkled the souls that were making their way to the Most High…

(...)

UNQUOTE

Not sure if this version of the 3rd Secret of Fatima is a forgery (or partial forgery)...but it does not seem to be nearly as horrific a text as many (who saw the originals) have claimed the 3rd Secret was in fact, at least to them, apparently.

If anyone knows of any of the missing parts to the above, please post them on this thread...

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Zirinovskij is nut. He have no chance against Putin clan - hey! people there love Putin and last think which they want is change to total populist. So, if Zirinovskij should be fission of some war, then we must wait at least 5 years. Putin is now in position which theoretically allow him to wage war. But he do NOT WANT to do it. He is trying to dig trench deep enough to save Russia of US attack. This 5 year block is possible time frame for such event but this event will not be provoked by Russia because Russia is not capable to attack anybody just now (Georgia war was closer to police operation and again provoked by western warmongers).
So if prophecy talk about Russia as bad guy then we must wait for fulfilment at least 5 years. Just compare Russia and US military budgets... Russians are maybe strange but they are not suiciders.

BTW very good OP (S&F) and discussion - thanks ladies and gentlemen!

EDIT: syntax

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Originally posted by Sigismundus

Not sure if this version of the 3rd Secret of Fatima is a forgery (or partial forgery)...but it does not seem to be nearly as horrific a text as many (who saw the originals) have claimed the 3rd Secret was in fact, at least to them, apparently.

If anyone knows of any of the missing parts to the above, please post them on this thread...

I'll need some time to reread some 200 pages of information before I can respond to your post with some purported evidence.


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to Searching4truth: no, I haven't read the book "Fatima Priest."


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About the Catholic/Islam Connection-

Check back here later...As soon as I find the video of the professor explaining it,I will post it!

Alot of it comes down to deciphering all the symbolism,for one thing. It's very in-depth.

In the mean-time,I'm sure you could do about as much research as I have!(I just Connect-the-Dots,and learn from others who already have!)

Originally posted by zeddissad
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Zirinovskij is nut. He have no chance against Putin clan - hey! people there love Putin and last think which they want is change to total populist. So, if Zirinovskij should be fission of some war, then we must wait at least 5 years. Putin is now in position which theoretically allow him to wage war. But he do NOT WANT to do it. He is trying to dig trench deep enough to save Russia of US attack. This 5 year block is possible time frame for such event but this event will not be provoked by Russia because Russia is not capable to attack anybody just now

Putin would never allow "fair elections" for Zhirinovsky/ij to win.
But in my imagination, this is how I consider Zhirinovsky's path to power could happen sooner rather than latter(if at all): At the last minute President Medvedev decides he doesn't want to step down for Putin in 2012, or earlier if Medvedev calls for elections sooner. Medvedev devises a plan to attempt to defeat Putin in the struggle for the Presidency. Plan involves sending Russian troops to reclaiming Kosovo on behalf of Serbia...it would be seen as standing up to American and European imposed injustice directed against a Russian ally. This invasion would probably happen about 5 months before Russian elections. The Russians will love it. Medvedev's popularity and support would benefit greatly. Medvedev also sends Putin on a 5-month vacation(ie: fired from Prime Minister chair, with the message of let's battle it out at election time)...so that Putin can't take credit for Medvedev's actions in Kosovo. America and Europe will resort to nothing more than diplomatic retaliation against Russia over Kosovo until after the 2012 elections, otherwise they risk undermining Medvedev against the communists/Zhirinovsky/Putin. Medvedev's plan also involves bringing "free and fair elections/and free media" to undermine Putin and his methods, to win over opposition parties and journalists, etc. If the Russian and world economy is devastated by 2012, Zhirinovsky may pull of a shocking win in 2012 saying that he is a better and tougher person to stand up to the American's and warning that Medvedev will not be strong enough to win in the long run against America over Kosovo. Otherwise, in a decent economy Medvedev wins. And then after Medvedev wins the elections would the world force Russia, using economic means, to back down over Kosovo and suffer a humiliation(with possibly a hardline Republican winning the American Presidency in late 2012), and a crumbling of the Russian and Zhirinovsky rises to power out of the suffering and humiliation. Medvedev might even be impeached or killed after losing Kosovo.


But again, that's only how it plays out in my imagination.




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www.youtube.com...

Here is the video by Walter Veith,detailing the Catholic/Islamic connection.

If you like this,you should see the whole "Total Onslaught" series,available on Youtube,but also at Amazing Discoveries.com.

He is brilliant,and wonderful to listen to! The most educated yet personally engaging professor I have ever heard!

He connects ALL the dots!

By the way,I did a search here at ATS,and there are threads on this subject,as well.

Way to go,ATS!!!

Here's another obscure connection between Fatima, the End of the 20th Century, and Russia:

In preparation for the year 2000 Jubilee, the Vatican decided to hold several gatherings for the world's priests. The Priests would be given a special message by the Pope and a message by Lucia the Fatima seer during the first gathering. That first meeting occurred in FATIMA, Portugal on June 17th to June 21st of 1996.

Here's the connection to Russia: that Fatima meeting was scheduled for and occurred ONE DAY AFTER the June 16th Presidential Elections in Russia.

In light of the Pope's comment from a year earlier(1995) that the Fatima prophecy "at the end of this (20th)century seem to be close to fulfillment"....It's my opinion that the Pope felt it was certainly possible that a Russian tyrant would win the Russian Presidency with only four years left on the clock for a "very beginning" to occur--of the events that would lead to the fulfillment of the Fatima prophecies--and thus I believe the Pope was prepared to reveal the entire "3rd Secret of Fatima" to the Priests and to the world in a gathering at Fatima Portugal the very day after the Russian tyrant had won. The rise of a Russian Hitler would be at the forefront of events that could be considered the "beginning" of said prophecies. But Yeltsin ended up winning the first round of the elections instead, and the Pope gave a substitute message to the priests instead of revealing the 3rd secret in June/1996.


Here's the news from 1996 - LINK(second news item) => servus.christusrex.org...
"VATICAN CITY, JUN 18, 1996 (VIS) - The 1st International Meeting for Priests, organized by the Congregation for the Clergy in preparation for the Holy Year 2000, opened yesterday afternoon in Fatima, Portugal, with the reading of a message sent by the Holy Father. The Pope underlines the importance of this event to give impulse to the new evangelization, and invites priests to renew their personal consecration to the Heart of Jesus and to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. As a sign of his closeness, John Paul II sent a rosary to each priest. Also read at the opening was a telegram sent by Sr. Lucia, the only survivor of the three little shepherds of Fatima to whom the Blessed Virgin appeared."


LINK(first news item) => servus.christusrex.org...
"...The archbishop also said that beginning this year there would be meetings of the world's priests in preparation for the Jubilee 2000. In 1996 one will be held in Fatima June 17-21; in 1997 in Yamoussoukro, Ivory Coast; 1998 at the Shrine of Guadalupe in Mexico; 1999 in Jerusalem and 2000 in Rome for the Jubilee of all priests with the Holy Father."

Date of 1996 Russian elections LINK => en.wikipedia.org...



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The secrets of Fatima were nothing more then a way to worship Mary the whore. Pope John Paul II worshiped Mary as a co-redemptrix and so does the Catholic church. Jesus said the only way into heaven is through accepting him as your savior. Now you have the church selling rosaries and telling people it:

The Fifteen Promises of the Rosary

Our Lady made these promises to Christians who faithfully pray the Rosary:

1. To all those who shall pray my Rosary devoutly, I promise my special protection and great graces.

2.Those who shall persevere in the recitation of my Rosary will receive some special grace.

3. The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against hell, it will destroy vice, decrease sin and defeat heresies.

4. It will cause good works to flourish; it will obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God; it will withdraw the hearts of men from the love of the world and its vanities, and will lift them to the desire for Eternal Things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this means.

5. The soul which recommends itself to me by the recitation of the Rosary shall not perish.

6. Whosoever shall recite the Rosary devoutly, applying himself to the consideration of its Sacred Mysteries shall never be conquered by misfortune. God will not chastise him in His justice, he shall not perish by an unprovided death; if he be just he shall remain in the grace of God, and become worthy of Eternal Life.

7. Whoever shall have a true devotion for the Rosary shall not die without the Sacraments of the Church.

8. Those who are faithful to recite the Rosary shall have during their life and at their death the Light of God and the plenitude of His Graces; at the moment of death they shall participate in the Merits of the Saints in Paradise.

9. I shall deliver from purgatory those who have been devoted to the Rosary.

10. The faithful children of the Rosary shall merit a high degree of Glory in Heaven.

11. You shall obtain all you ask of me by recitation of the Rosary.

12. All those who propagate the Holy Rosary shall be aided by me in their necessities.

13. I have obtained from my Divine Son that all the advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors the entire Celestial Court during their life and at the hour of death.

14. All who recite the Rosary are my Sons, and brothers of my Only Son Jesus Christ.

15. Devotion to my Rosary is a great sign of predestination.

www.ourladyswarriors.org...

If this is all not blasphemy to God and Jesus, then I don't know what is. They pray to Mary the Mother of God. 'Nuf said.

Originally posted by Phantomfire707

I fully support and welcome your above comments. It is a good position to hold. They very well may be demonic. I can only say though, that if the Fatima prophecies begin to come true in the future as I described....that at such a time it would be proper for doubters of Fatima to seriously reconsider their beliefs about God's non-plans for Jesus's mother.

I thank you for your reasoned and courteous response to what is a very sensitive subject, especially for die hard catholics. You are a credit to your faith.

My position is that nothing from God can contradict what is written in his Holy Word. Thus even if all of Fatima is fulfilled in it's entirety, I must reject it, if it's doctrines are contrary to the Word. Fatima may be fulfilled and may God have mercy on us all if it is.

You do not have to look at Fatima, though to get a sense of the danger that awaits us.
Unfortunately the New Testament exquisitely describes nuclear war in it's prophecies of the last days. From Peters prophecy of the elements melting with a fervent heat, to the poisoning of the water in Revelations, our short term prospects are not particularly pleasant.

Our long term prospects for those who believe in Jesus are very encouraging however. As for the role of Mary. Being the mother of the Messiah are pretty impressive credentials as it stands. But I can not worship her or honor her any more than I do the other righteous prophets of old.

I have no doubt she plays a prominent role in the kingdom of God, but the current level of devotion is far too similar to the old astarte cult to make me feel comfortable. Moreover it was all too convenient for her to play this role as a replacement for the widespread godess worship within the Roman empire, when the christian religion became the state religion.