I could kill someone like this!

reply to post by PontiacWarrior


It is because people feel squimish at the sight of a gutted animal. People do not know how to kill for themselves. If it bothers some one to see this then they should go about their innocence and not complain about those of us who can kill food for ourselves. Mind you that hardly ever does any part of any animal in the food trade ever get wasted. So in a sense the commercialism of livestock has brought back that part of the circle. I know that sounds ironic but it is the truth.

Money puts clothes on peoples backs. If you see some one running around in a loin cloth and toga made from bears hide then most will ridicule that person. They will be ostrisized for not conforming. Therefore when these men get paid to kill these animals the in return are generating clothing and food for their families.

People as a whole have lost sight of the fact that we are hunters. We kill animals for food. One week on a kill floor of a butcher shop would do alot of people some good.

I do my best to kill all animals as cleanly as possible when hunting. Things don't always go that way. Things didn't always go that way for the native americans. If you ever watch nature films, you will see, it very RARELY is a quick and painless death for the prey. Watch lions hunt. What's funny is that most people aren't disturbed by that. Should the humane society go after the lion prides for their wanton disreguard for animal "feelings"?

Just because you refuse to put yourself in a predatory role, does not give those the right to critisize those that will. People need to grow up when it comes to animals. They are not going to create the next cure for cancer or place a colony of themselves on another planet. They will however feed the beings that will.

All animals are food and or clothing to some other creature on the planet. I don't care if it is a dog or an elephant. It is somethings food or clothing. The earth kills animals in violent natural events that cause animals to be maimed and tortured but yet you see no one scolding the earth or "god". Death by nature in any form is natural, will be what most say but we are a part of nature and there for it is natural for us to kill animals.

All people who talk of "animal cruelty" are self riteous in my book and need to step back and get a reality check. Animals are Animals.

Originally posted by LeaderOfProgress
First of all most of you are going off of gut reactions to witnessing a certain violence that occurs when a predator feeds. I had an interesting experience with a dead snake once. I killed a rattle snake on my way to go bow hunting. I smashed it's head then when it was limp I cut off it's head. I did this so that no one else might happen across it and get bitten on our family farm. I hunted for 4 hours that evening and as it got dark picked up the snake I went back to my truck.

This snake had been dead for over 4 hours by the time I had made it home. I got the kids outside so that I could show them. When you rubbed your fingers down it's stomach it would curl up and then relax. We called some friends over and for over the next hour the snakes headless body would do this. This snake had been decapitated for over 5 hours and was still moving and responding to stimulation.

The video shows an animal which is young and has a face. This bothers some people. It also showed towards the end a calf that had it's spinal cord severed still kicking around when it was hung by it's leg.

You see just because something moves doesn't mean that it is alive or can feel pain. I firmly believe that the calfs being butchered were brain dead. What I saw was considered clean kill practices in even the smallest towns butcher shop.

No, the workers feel do not feel remorse. For what? Being a predator? Come on everyone has watched the most efficient hunters in the world slowly maul and kill their prey.

Do we kill all predatory animals? I got it let's teach all of the earths animals to be vegitarians. But before you do that please donate funds to the NRA and other hunting groups because they are the ones that will save you if you get stranded in the wild amongst other predators. Guess that makes them heartless people.

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Maybe the calf was dead that is irrelevent. The ones that were alive were kicked around and water splashed into their face in order to inflict more pain. Yes they are being slaughtered for food, but does that give these ignorant asis the right to skin a calf alive or kick them around while alive? There is a right way and a wrong way to do things and this is clearly wrong. Why huddle them up and shock them why not do it right and line them up one at a time to lesson the risk of them awakening? The method in the film may shave off a few minutes of production time but is that any excuse? Also the men seemed to enjoy being cruel, I guess that is normal too? I mean if a man gets off hurting a baby animal what kind of man is he? One that has the self esteem of a snake, it makes him feel big and bad to hurt a defenseless animal. What kind of man is that? One that would likely beat his wife and kids and get off on it; that is what, but I guess that is normal too? Gosh I must have a twisted since of normal according to you.

My love for animals aside> making any creature intensionally suffer is wrong, and advocating it in any capacity is wrong.

Just watch you're own karma.

n

Originally posted by LeaderOfProgress
reply to post by PontiacWarrior

 

It is because people feel squimish at the sight of a gutted animal. People do not know how to kill for themselves. If it bothers some one to see this then they should go about their innocence and not complain about those of us who can kill food for ourselves. Mind you that hardly ever does any part of any animal in the food trade ever get wasted. So in a sense the commercialism of livestock has brought back that part of the circle. I know that sounds ironic but it is the truth.

Money puts clothes on peoples backs. If you see some one running around in a loin cloth and toga made from bears hide then most will ridicule that person. They will be ostrisized for not conforming. Therefore when these men get paid to kill these animals the in return are generating clothing and food for their families.

People as a whole have lost sight of the fact that we are hunters. We kill animals for food. One week on a kill floor of a butcher shop would do alot of people some good.

I do my best to kill all animals as cleanly as possible when hunting. Things don't always go that way. Things didn't always go that way for the native americans. If you ever watch nature films, you will see, it very RARELY is a quick and painless death for the prey. Watch lions hunt. What's funny is that most people aren't disturbed by that. Should the humane society go after the lion prides for their wanton disreguard for animal "feelings"?

Just because you refuse to put yourself in a predatory role, does not give those the right to critisize those that will. People need to grow up when it comes to animals. They are not going to create the next cure for cancer or place a colony of themselves on another planet. They will however feed the beings that will.

All animals are food and or clothing to some other creature on the planet. I don't care if it is a dog or an elephant. It is somethings food or clothing. The earth kills animals in violent natural events that cause animals to be maimed and tortured but yet you see no one scolding the earth or "god". Death by nature in any form is natural, will be what most say but we are a part of nature and there for it is natural for us to kill animals.

All people who talk of "animal cruelty" are self riteous in my book and need to step back and get a reality check. Animals are Animals.

HELLO. Raised on a farm have seen pigs, goats and cows slaughterd. Have been hunting have killed deer, turkey, rabbit and squirl have gutted them and skinned them, cut them up and ate em. So that line of bull does not cut it. I never seen my pa or uncles kick any animal around for thrills. I never injured a deer just enough to put er down then go about hurting it. No you shoot to get a clean kill. Good lord, I have never... Someone can be a preditor and kill for their food in a respectable manner. Even someone with any salt to em will put down an animal that is suffering. There are hunters and then their are sadistic fools I guess.

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reply to post by Melissa101


The water was to ensure conductivity of electricity not pain.

I can be very cruel in the eyes of some people when it comes to the killing of an animal. Yet I do not beat anyone. I do not harm a person one. So the method of thinking that leads one to believe that a person capable of harming an animal will harm people is rediculous. I do not believe in harming people nor animals without true purpose. Animals are food for some one or something. People are only food if they are dumb enough to not use their superior predatory skills when amongst other predators.

There is a line to be drawn between animals and humans. Disney and other movie companies that went around personifying animals and giving them voices, in my opinion, directly caused this merging of animals in to people like status for so many humans. Had you have been brought up killing your own food, you would be arguing my side now.

Animals are animals not people, no matter how attached we make our selves.

reply to post by Melissa101


Yet a cat plays with a mouse for hours letting it suffer along until if finally dies because the cat becomes bored with it. Animals are cruel by your standards. You claim to have done this stuff but yet you have never seen a farmer nudge a cow with a truck or a hunter wound an animal? You can claim your farm experience all you want after all this is the internet and anyone can make up a past for them selves. They were not taking "joy" in kicking animals. They weren't being nice either. It doesn't matter. They are food.

reply to post by Zosynspiracy


S & F.

Some humans are horrifically cruel and merciless. I didn't look at the vids, because I just cannot stomach cruelty. It makes me physically, mentally and emotionally ill.

But a lot of humans are kind, loving, compassionate and generally lovely.

reply to post by LeaderOfProgress


Clean killing an animal for food and abusing it for kicks are two different things all together, The men in the videos were clearly enjoying dominating and abusing these poor animals. I had to kill a litter of wild cats one time because they were attacking my nephews, But I did not torture them. I knocked them out clean with one wack of a shovel one by one and yes it bothered me for a few days I like cats in general but what I done was necessary so I got over it. Now if I had taken the cats and kicked them and and abused them before I killed them then that would be different right?

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Dude, we eat animals. We kill them.

What is it that bothers you about that?

Originally posted by LeaderOfProgress
reply to post by Melissa101

 

Yet a cat plays with a mouse for hours letting it suffer along until if finally dies because the cat becomes bored with it. Animals are cruel by your standards. You claim to have done this stuff but yet you have never seen a farmer nudge a cow with a truck or a hunter wound an animal? You can claim your farm experience all you want after all this is the internet and anyone can make up a past for them selves. They were not taking "joy" in kicking animals. They weren't being nice either. It doesn't matter. They are food.

Waht are you talking about? We are human not animals, a cat plays with mice for amusment because they do not have the brain capacity to find any higher level of amusment, much like the arses in the video. And ok not that I need to but for humar ask me anything you want about hunting or farming.

reply to post by Melissa101


It bothered you to kill those cats due to a constant bombardment of personification of animals. I like animals. I have all kinds from snakes, cats, birds, dogs, bugs, even mice, but yet I feel no remorse in the killing of any animal in any manner. I would not kill my pets, but I will kill a game bird, a wild cat, a wild dog and even wild anything. The guys looked like guys who make a living off of killing animals for those who are to weak to kill their own. After a while of doing a job you will make jokes or appear heartless when doing it. They do not care. That is not a problem unless you are trying to project your beliefs on them.

Animal rights was never a problem until movies started coming out that made people give animals "people" traits. Just because some one has not accepted that mentality it doesn't make them cruel. They see an animal for what it is. Food. Clothing.

reply to post by Melissa101


We are animals. People are just to self riteous to believe other wise. Your only purpose is to procreate the species, the same as any other creature on this planet.

What is interesting is you just drew a line between animals and people. So why are you trying to treat people like they are bad because they can draw a line to? If you want to treat a cat like it is sub human then do so and without any protest allow others to as well. You are right it is just an animal. Just like the cows.

reply to post by Zosynspiracy


It's a problem isn't it? But realistically speaking, people won't stop eating meat. Most of them don't even bother how their meat was treated. Will yourself become a vegan, or become an activist in raising awareness on this issue, or try to improve the law regarding this and its enforcement? Most people will say no, because change is hard.

I myself don't eat veal. And I'm actually 'promoting' artificial meat each time I have the chance, only as long as it's safe.

reply to post by impaired


Animals sense when they are going to be killed, never mind by what method is used, they know it is coming. Same as when cats or dogs sit by the window when they know their owner is coming home, or when dogs call attention to their owner's plight when their owner has been hurt, by barking or attracting someone else's attention to help their owner. I don't even like using the word 'owner' as it portrays that humans have the right to dictate and control animals, and portrays that humans are more 'aware' than animals, which in a lot of cases is simply not true. Animals listen to their intuition or sixth sense, humans don't always and then they are astounded at the intelligence of the animal when the animal turns around and saves them when they find themselves in difficulty.

So what you're saying, basically, is that you'd like to descend to the same level as these people?

If it's wrong to abuse and torture animals, it's wrong to abuse and torture *ALL* animals, even human beings. How do you justify doing to humans what you find objectionable when it's done to other animals?

Abuse and torture are wrong, no matter who is doing it, no matter who is being hurt. Even guilty humans should not be abused or tortured. They certainly should be stopped, and perhaps even punished. However, they should not be tortured. IMNSHO.

Originally posted by Jazzyguy
reply to post by Zosynspiracy

 

It's a problem isn't it? But realistically speaking, people won't stop eating meat. Most of them don't even bother how their meat was treated. Will yourself become a vegan, or become an activist in raising awareness on this issue, or try to improve the law regarding this and its enforcement? Most people will say no, because change is hard.

I myself don't eat veal. And I'm actually 'promoting' artificial meat each time I have the chance, only as long as it's safe.

I am a vegatarian, an activist in some ways, and yes change is incredibly hard. Humans are not natural predators, it was a cultural thing starting with the invention of simple weaponary and then the ice age. We adapted quickly when our lives were at stake (no pun intended-steak)however, we may not be able to see the disasters coming like with the ice age-but factory farms are making us weaker, spreading pathogens, polluting the air and water that we need to surivive. We do so while being cruel to animals-if that's intelligent thinking on our part I don't agree...We forgot how to adapt when it is needed...We forgot how to outsmart nature. Natures winning, confining animals is cruel yes, for so many reasons, but it's creating diseases that we can't hardly fight. Who knows what else is next.

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reply to post by Carseller4


I see a video where the slaughter of animals is not being done to the rules and regulations that are meant to protect them humanly and the protect the quality of the meet being butchered.

Most people would still cry if they seen a legit slaughterhouse in operation. Even one that follows the rules.

PETA will never stop food production because people want to eat meat, but they might prevent abuse of the system shown in the video and that is not a bad thing.

Thanks for your disgust in this.
Maybe if enough people complain something will get done.
There is no need to raise them this way.
Its sickening and happens everyday in amerika.
I think the perps just enjoy it!
It gives them a sense of control. Really is a sickness in the head.
Some kill with absolutly no regret or remorse at all.
Astonishingly enough, they proudly flaunt it, brag about it,
and hang it on the wall!
They proudly take pictures of their kills and pay big bucks to do it!
Sometimes just for the thrill of it!
Wanna know the worst thing?
They joyfully teach it to their young 'uns and make a game out of it!
Disgusting manimals to the last.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
No one can know the joy and love these creatures have
shown and given to me. For if they did, hopefully,
there would be no more killing.....
I agree threatening to kill them is harsh and wrong, but unfortunately
maybe thats all their small minds can comprehend...


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Originally posted by LeaderOfProgress
reply to post by Melissa101

 

We are animals. People are just to self riteous to believe other wise. Your only purpose is to procreate the species, the same as any other creature on this planet.

What is interesting is you just drew a line between animals and people. So why are you trying to treat people like they are bad because they can draw a line to? If you want to treat a cat like it is sub human then do so and without any protest allow others to as well. You are right it is just an animal. Just like the cows.

OK so if we are animals then why not take a kid (like the calf) out when it is sick and cannot stand and kick it and cuss and laugh at it, then skin it alive and watch it jerk? I mean we are just animals right? Just like cows.

That is sick ain't it? See humans and animals are NOT the same.

You say we are animals yet you contradict yourself by saying cats and cows are sub human. It sounds to me like you are running in circles trying to justify sadistic bahavior.

I am not against killing animals in defence or for food and clothing. I am against the needless abuse of animals. There is a difference. No I do not cry about Bambi when deer hunting nor would I think of Chicken Little when ringing a chickens neck to make dinner. It is a necessity to sustain life to kill for food it is not a necessity to abuse an animal before killing it to sustain life. There is a difference.

See an apple is red and an orange is orange, an apple is alkaline with a sweet taste and an orange is acidic with an tangier taste, they are both fruit yes? But they are different.

Originally posted by Zerra

I am a vegatarian, an activist in some ways, and yes change is incredibly hard. Humans are not natural predators, it was a cultural thing starting with the invention of simple weaponary and then the ice age. We adapted quickly when our lives were at stake (no pun intended-steak)however, we may not be able to see the disasters coming like with the ice age-but factory farms are making us weaker, spreading pathogens, polluting the air and water that we need to surivive. We do so while being cruel to animals-if that's intelligent thinking on our part I don't agree...We forgot how to adapt when it is needed...We forgot how to outsmart nature. Natures winning, confining animals is cruel yes, for so many reasons, but it's creating diseases that we can't hardly fight. Who knows what else is next.

[edit on 13-11-2009 by Zerra]

[edit on 13-11-2009 by Zerra]

Humans have been eating meat since the dawn of time. Responsible (unlike the video) farming of animals is not a bad thing nor is eating meat. It is not the consumption of meat that is causing the problems it is the greedy, sadistic irresponsible farmer that is causing problems. But yes the abuse of animals is not exceptable any way you dice, slice or sugar coat it.

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