The ONLY kind of hate allowed on ATS

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Maybe that is because they are getting fed up.

I don't understand your point. Fed up about what?

Are you saying because someone is fed up that others should be censored because they find it offensive? That makes no sense.

Originally posted by breakingdradles
I've found there are MANY more anti-Islam posts.

I think the problem people at ATS have with Christians, is that they start debates here that they can't win, and use the Bible as fact.

The reason there is so much anti-Christian stuff here, is because there are so many Christians bashing other peoples beliefs.

It still puzzles me when someone can believe in a fairy tale, Christian, Muslim or Jew.

Let me rephrase my question, in light of your post,

The reason there is so much anti-Christian stuff here, is because there are so many Christians bashing other peoples beliefs.

On this forum? If so where?

And with your question in mind, what is the message you are trying to send in regards to your avatar?

I don't think this is off topic question, if it pertains to the topic at hand, which questions christian bashing.

That question being, the only hate allowed on ATS, is allowed towards Christians.




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reply to post by Stormdancer777

Are you saying because someone is fed up that others should be censored because they find it offensive?

According to the forum rules we are not supposed to attack and offend, I thought.

So their own rules are a form of censorship.





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There is much Muslim, and Islamic hate here to. Don't forget Arabic hate. I have noticed a lot of racism toward Arabic people on ATS lately.

Originally posted by Phlynx
There is much Muslim, and Islamic hate here to. Don't forget Arabic hate. I have noticed a lot of racism toward Arabic people on ATS lately.

Yes it happens, but that is not the topic,

reply to post by Roadblockx


I don't really see the problem here. christianity isn't all that bad of a religion, its just that most of its more ardent adherents are pretty much annoying hypocritical jackholes. What's not to hate?

If you feel vilified by a statement like that, then it is your own guilt talking to you, not any of us.

Originally posted by yeahright

Originally posted by Roadblockx
To me, that is hateful

And there's the issue. To YOU it is hateful. We have a very difficult time attempting to moderate the board and balance one person's "right" to say something against another's "right" to not be offended. It's an impossible task to do it an a manner that pleases everyone. Impossible.

Any bashing is in the eye of the beholder. Discussion has a component of disagreement. If it's your ox being gored, you could get offended, if you allow yourself to be offended. Don't mistake criticism and disagreement with personal attack. And don't allow someone to manipulate you so easily.

.02.

Ok. Fair enough. I credit you for bringing that quote up and would like to expand upon it. Yes, I do feel it is hateful. That sig line is a view of their hate towards a group of people. Their view doesn't leave you or me or anyone else much room to take that quote any other way than to say, that's a hateful statement. Whether you or I am offended is up to us individually. My statement is that if you are going to allow some statements of hate, you need to allow all. Otherwise you are only creating a gray area that allows "some" to decide if it is hateful enough to get banned or not enough hate and therefore allowed. Sure I can be offended but banning those that post racist responses but not those that are borderline (gays, religion, age, etc...) Racism isn't the only hate, it's just another prejudice.

Again, you and I can see one thing and have two different reactions. Fair enough. But when you and I see hate, it's hate whether it's kinda, sorta, in the ballpark of, but not really. It's hate and it shouldn't be here.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by Phlynx
There is much Muslim, and Islamic hate here to. Don't forget Arabic hate. I have noticed a lot of racism toward Arabic people on ATS lately.

Yes it happens, but that is not the topic,

Thank you! That's my point. Start a seperate thread about hate against another group. It proves my point that some hate is allowed on ATS. You see it, I see it and it doesn't make it right because it isn't as "bad" as racism.

Originally posted by CoffinFeeder
reply to post by Roadblockx

 

I don't really see the problem here. christianity isn't all that bad of a religion, its just that most of its more ardent adherents are pretty much annoying hypocritical jackholes. What's not to hate?

If you feel vilified by a statement like that, then it is your own guilt talking to you, not any of us.

Awesome! At least you could see through the fog and realize it is my inner being that is feeling hateful and guilty.

Nah, just messing with you. I am actually in a position for the first time that I don't feel guilty about my actions. I firmly believe in karma and have stayed towards honoring those around me. I have been and still have the potential to be an a-hole but I reserve that for the right time. No guilt in seeing something that is an obvious sign of hate and calling it out. I think you misread that but seriously I appreciate your post.



You also mentioned one very key response. You said SOME.... Some....

reply to post by Layla


What about the multiple Muslim bashing threads? Or anti- Masonic threads? How about the hateful vitriol posted about Palestinians by the pro isreal camp on here? I've seen some hateful things written about American Indians as well. My point being, it's not just the Christians who get it. My advice? Whenever someone posts something hateful that you object to, refute their arguments without being hateful in return. Yes the narrow-mindedness bothers me as well, however i'd really hate to see ATS become all politically correct. There are few places on the net that allow people to speak on controversial subjects, so the next time someone comes at you with ignorance- deny it. Post the facts and refute their narrow minded opinion. By not allowing idiots a chance to say stupid things, they will just carry on believing their own myths. When they spout these myths out of the sides of there necks, I come in with the evidence, hopefully giving balance and perspective to complex issues, and just possibly teaching a few people some things. Rise to the occasion friend, and don't let anyone get you too steamed.
peace and love
HUTUAPO

[edit on 12-11-2009 by siahchi]

Originally posted by EMPIRE
Everyone is hated on this board, and if you think only Christians get the short end of the stick think again. I've seen racist terms and allegations posted by members, yet the posts still stand. I see people bashing Islam as soon as a muslim kills someone (refer torhe recent FT. HOOD shootings) and I've seen atheist bashed by theists (notice I didn't say Christians.)

Sorry mate but I think you are helping my point in a round-about way. You see the hate on here yet it isn't stopped. My point is that some hate is accepted on here and you are providing great examples of that accepted hate. What you won't see tolerated is anything racist. Sexist, religion (especially anti-Christian IMHP) and gay hate is accepted as long as it isn't over the top. Hate is hate and ATS shouldn't abide with it.

Originally posted by siahchi
reply to post by Layla

 

What about the multiple Muslim bashing threads? Or anti- Masonic threads? How about the hateful vitriol posted about Palestinians by the pro isreal camp on here? I've seen some hateful things written about American Indians as well. My point being, it's not just the Christians who get it. My advice? Whenever someone posts something hateful that you object to, refute their arguments without being hateful in return. Yes the narrow-mindedness bothers me as well, however i'd really hate to see ATS become all politically correct. There are few places on the net that allow people to speak on controversial subjects, so the next time someone comes at you with ignorance- deny it. Post the facts and refute their narrow minded opinion. By not allowing idiots a chance to say stupid things, they will just carry on believing their own myths. When they spout these myths out of the sides of there necks, I come in wiyh the evidence, hopefully giving balance and perspective to complex issues, and just possibly teaching a few people some things. Rise to the occasion friend, and don't let anyone get you too steamed.
peace and love
HUTUAPO

Thanks for your post. I agree that challenging someone who shows clear signs of hate with non-hateful responses is not an easy task especially as the hate is escalated. It becomes almost unfair that you have to withstand such a beating without intervention of a mod. With that said, ATS should NOT allow hate. It's simple. Are you telling me that you have to have hate when you discuss ideas? I don't think you do. You should be able to openly discuss and exchange ideas without fear of getting blasted over and over and over. I'm sorry but I think we disagree (respectfully) on that point. No one should be expected to take that and still want to exchange ideas especially when others wear their hatred on their sig line like a badge.

There is a lot of hate going on here at ATS, for all different things. I too am a christian and have noticed the persons signature that the OP is talking about. At first I was offended and kind of ticked off, but then I realized that ATS has members of all different groups on here.

I use to be a police officer, and there are all kinds of ignorant comments on here grouping all law enforcement together. People posting that we should "exterminate" all law enforcement and stupid stuff like that. There are a lot of closed minded, ignorant people on here that say stuff just to get attention. Just ignore them. There is probably not a single thread on here that someone is not offend by. You just have to look past it and move on.

There is an old saying "opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has them and most of them stink"

After reading and thinking about it, I believe that I may have missed the mark on my original post. I would like to modify it slightly to read that there is hate on ATS but only one topic is off limits (racism), the rest have different levels of being allowed.

Is that a more accurate synopsis?

reply to post by Roadblockx


I definately see your point, however what would the standards be for the mods to step in? What exactly would constitute a hateful thread? I'm sure if you asked 30 different ATS'ers you'd get 30 different opinions. I for one would not like for the mods to come in and start censoring us, in fact i'd probably not be a member anymore if that started happening. As long as people stay non-violent and do not threaten others then there's no harm done. I'd even say dumb jerks talking $#!+ is beneficial to you and your arguments in the sense of you getting to know your "enemy" and their position. Opposition can sometimes be the needed catalyst for growth and evolution.

reply to post by Roadblockx


I realize (I think) that you're not lobbying for equal-opportunity hatred.

I have to disagree to an extent, though.

I think that Israel and Jewish hatred is somewhat legendary here.
It also seems that Mulim/Islam hatred is acceptible, if an accompanying link is included or referred to.

Much of the time, I feel that people (not you, OP) make bold and challenging statements about religion here at ATS. Some of these statements pretty much beg for comment, and the way they are couched lends itself well to fairly passionate statements.

We don't seem to ask much anymore, just challenge, and sure enough, there is always somebody handy to answer it.

Myself personally, I view religion as a creation of humanity -- quite different from spirituality -- and I could even go so far as to view different religions/cultures as speaking with God in different languages. [you FILTHY universalist, you!!!!]

I don't really see a conflict personally between religion and science -- I think of them as different language describing a similar phenomenon, HOWEVER....... I don't much care for predominantly Christian organizations that seem to try and skew science to fit within their own dogma.

Example: We can attempt to measure the age of objects via various methods of scientific testing. Certainly those measurements -- particularly when talking about millions of years -- are prone to not being precise. If a group chooses to fix upon the inexactness of that science (let's say Carbon dating) that is fine, however if they choose to assert that the Earth is only 9,592 years old and base that figure on estimates taken from the Holy Bible and hang their evidence on the inexactness of science......... well, that's a dog that doan hunt.

That's not to say that anything I just blabbed about is representative of HATE. People have historically been dealt grave injuries in the name of religion. It's part of human history and it continues still. Much or most of that are conventions of humanity, IMO.

Originally posted by siahchi
reply to post by Roadblockx

 

I definately see your point, however what would the standards be for the mods to step in? What exactly would constitute a hateful thread? I'm sure if you asked 30 different ATS'ers you'd get 30 different opinions. I for one would not like for the mods to come in and start censoring us, in fact i'd probably not be a member anymore if that started happening. As long as people stay non-violent and do not threaten others then there's no harm done. I'd even say dumb jerks talking $#!+ is beneficial to you and your arguments in the sense of you getting to know your "enemy" and their position. Opposition can sometimes be the needed catalyst for growth and evolution.

Perfect question. The only thing I recommend is that any kind of hate speech should be excluded. You want to talk about christians? Fine. Do so in a constructive and thought-provoking manner. Want to debate Muslims? Have at it but remain constructive. Insulting terms is not an indication of open and constructive debate. You may ask 30 people if "I don't hate blacks, just how much money they cost me" is an open and constructive remark and I would bet you would get a pretty clear message that it is obvious insulting. Like I said. Hate is hate. ATS is about open debate of ideas, exchange of different thoughts and opening our eyes to things we may not have known about before. Anything that is counter-productive to that should have no place on ATS.

Its actually the christian fundamentalists that are doing all the bashing...

They bash obama and the democrats,

they bash communists and socialists,

they bash muslims,

they bash masons,

and even non-fundamentalist christians.

IT SEEMS THEY WANT ONLY THEIR OPINIONS HEARD!

[edit on 12-11-2009 by EarthCitizen07]