why do "palestinians" say they have a right to israel's land

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so sad...i dont support mainstream religion..humans have corrupted it..not God..the world is an awful place because of us..not because of God..look at history and you will see that..blaming God for everything is just easy..and we all love to blame others for our problems..

"Israeli commandos intercepted the Antigua-flagged "Francop" near the coast of Cyprus, claiming it was taking the weapons to Syria en route to the Lebanese Hezbollah militia.
Israel immediately accused arch-foe Iran of sending the cargo, but on Wednesday offered for the first time evidence to back up the charges and detailed the extent of the cache."

reply to post by JJay55


But remember, both Iran and Syria claimed no weapons on the ship.

So, the weapons are not theirs well, after it was found out, anyways.

Also, they both claimed it was only "non-military" items.

Ok, if so, why have they not complained about losing these non-military items????

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i wanted to say the exact thing that you said.

Yeah and Amadinijad saying he wants to wipe Israel off the map was misinterpreted too.

Originally posted by JJay55
Yeah and Amadinijad saying he wants to wipe Israel off the map was misinterpreted too.

You're absolutely right, he was talking about Regime Change, and not obliterating a nation of people,,,,, but I guess you were trying to be sarcastic.

Whereas there are plenty within Israel that view Palestinians and anyone opposed to the notion of an expanded "Greater Israel" as being "Amalek" and worthy of extermination, including their babies.
Here is an explanation of how these people are viewed....


On this chat site torah.org, they are discussing the finer points of killing Amalek, including babies...
They have discussed it for over 2 years, the topic is over 50 pages long.

It is apparently one of the 600+ commandments, of which all must be followed to be a good Jew.
I've only scoured the pages, but majority appear to agree that killing Amalek is cool, although many have misgivings as to how one can identify them with certainty..

"Sumud (Arabic) meaning "steadfast perseverance" is an ideological theme and political strategy that first emerged among the Palestinian people through the experience of the dialectic of oppression and resistance in the wake of the 1967 war. With the passing of the years since 1967, Palestinians have distinguished between two main forms of sumud. The first, static sumud, is more passive and is defined by Ibrahim Dhahak as the "maintenance of Palestinians on their land." The second, resistance sumud (in Arabic, sumud muqawim) is a more dynamic ideology whose aim is to seek ways of building alternative institutions so as to resist and undermine the occupation."

Welcome to the third infitita. 3 days until Iran makes her move according to the latest polls. Palestine is ripe and ready to blossom in continual violence sumud... should be interersting.

Originally posted by phoneyid
You're absolutely right, he was talking about Regime Change, and not obliterating a nation of people,,,,, but I guess you were trying to be sarcastic.

No, he was talking about physically taking the land for Islam. Or destroying it so no one can have it, especially the Jews. Nice try though. It's all about occupation. Occupation. O-c-c-u-p-a-t-i-o-n. By way of sumud.
Maybe if you blow smoke up the asssses of Americans they will go to sleep and not see it coming. Keep trying.

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The problem is, I don't think it will work. I honestly don't think the current generation of Palestinians are anywhere near as radicalised or susceptible to agitation against Israel as previous ones.

They're learning what's good for them - security, peace and stability.

Education and economic prosperity do wonderful things, if you give them a chance

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For a good background on how the Iranian theocracy views Israel, I suggest people research the incitement techniques used on the rural poor before and since the Islamic Revolution. It's chilling.

Originally posted by mattpryor
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The problem is, I don't think it will work. I honestly don't think the current generation of Palestinians are anywhere near as radicalised or susceptible to agitation against Israel as previous ones.

They're learning what's good for them - security, peace and stability.

Education and economic prosperity do wonderful things, if you give them a chance

It doesn't matter if you think it will work, they do think it will work and they will continue until it does work. (They=goverments who will back them and supply soldiers)

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Come on - get real the Israeli state was born out of terrorism and ever since has been eroding Palestinian birthright! I'm not anti-semetic or anti-muslin but English through and through

Initially, the Jews were given a sliver of land, and immediately attacked, whereby they won more land.

Each time they were attacked, they won more land.

Some folks are slow, and some - intellectually - are really slow to learn.

Another few attacks, and Israel could border Turkey and Afghanistan.

But let's not learn any lessons from every attack . . .

reply to post by Witness2008


without american money Israel would be nowhere !!! and we must ask the question the other way : why do zionists want to take over the land of the Pals ( West Bank - colonists - settlements )
The whole zionist agenda is sickening the more and the more all over the world, but zionists are blind and that will act against their plans !

Originally posted by resonance
why do "palestinians" say they have a right to israel's land

The real question is : "Why do Zionist Jews say they have a right to Palestine's land?"

Originally posted by resonance
so here is my question..the so called "Palestinians" want Israel's land

They want their OWN LAND back. Their land has been taken from them in 1948 and anyone in their position would do everything they can to get their land back and also to stop the horrible military occupation currently imposed by Israel on Palestinian territories.

Originally posted by resonance
the Muslims say they worship the same God (which they most certainly do not)..in the bible God makes a promise that once Israel is returned to the land they will inherit it forever..since they let their state religion dominate so many aspects of their lives, why would they not know that their God (who they claim is the same God of the Jews) gave them that land and just step aside..

Not God but the British gave Israel to the Zionists while totally ignoring the rights of the Palestinian people. In spite of British promises of Palestinian sovereignty, the British gave it to a people who ethnically cleansed the area and has opressed its former in habitants ever since. Any truely benign God would never allow "his people" to behave in such a fashion (which is precisely the argument of anti-Zionist Jews).

Originally posted by mattpryor
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For a good background on how the Iranian theocracy views Israel, I suggest people research the incitement techniques used on the rural poor before and since the Islamic Revolution. It's chilling.

Incitement techniques? You mean their tendency to tell the truth about Israel rather than fabricated propaganda like the US media does all the time?

Originally posted by dww25
Come on - get real the Israeli state was born out of terrorism and ever since has been eroding Palestinian birthright! I'm not anti-semetic or anti-muslin but English through and through

The problem is that the Western media (and especially the US media) give a distorted and biased depiction of the conflict, severely minimizing or rationalising the harm done by Israel to Palestinians an severely exaggerating the threat of Palestinians towards Israel.

Originally posted by mattpryor
They're learning what's good for them - security, peace and stability.

A combination only possible when Israel tears down its apartheid wall, when it stops supporting the construction of illegal settlments on Palestinian territories, when they stop their military occupation of Palestinian territories and when they abandon their racist and hypocritical ideology.

There is new updates on these land issues on new threads as per International view;

3 major world powers have spoken against Israel illegal settlement - US/UK & China but seems a eyewash in view of no concrete steps being taken.

Israel angers U.S. by approving new West Bank homes
China criticizes new Israeli move on settlements

the only way to do this is to have both states dissolved, and a cabinet made up of equal groups and equality given to both sides in society. This would mean that the palestinians are then allowed to be given rights, and the right of return.
there would be a population influx, which would need to be broken down over time slowly, and the government of israel building settlements to accomadate the palestinians their return as payment for being forced into refugee camps for two decades.

The Election process would need to be monitored by the UN and run and operated by the UN.

The name of the country should be something similar to Palestine and Israeli Union.

fair trade rules and regulations would need to be placed in control to prevent land theft from either side, or unfair transactions.

Does this sound fair enough?

Originally posted by December_Rain

3 major world powers have spoken against Israel illegal settlement - US/UK & China

And they are actually still pretty mild considering the very brutal nature of the opression of Palestinian people by Israel that continues on a daily basis.

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here is the funny version, its accurate, and shows things in a more black humoured way.

this may offend some but its the truth pretty much so.


have fun.... oh the zionists are going to love this.


I was peeing my pants laughing......

this guy is funny, and he debunks the whole thing pretty much.....

the one thing that always pisses me off is relgions asking for a handout when they own enough real estate and ect.

Like... why on earth do people still donate to the catholic church? it boggles my mind.

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