AP IMPACT: Framed for child porn — by a PC virus

Your ISP can tell which way the traffic is flowing, meaning they can tell if someone else is connecting to your ip address or if the connection is initiated from your end. That would be enough evidence in most cases.

For those that have unsecure wireless networks and leave their computer on with no security or patches and claimed to have been hacked, well its not too hard to examine the pc to find out if that's true.

reply to post by alyosha1981


This nearly happened to me last year i only noticed it after 20gigs of my memory disappeared on it's own overnight, i sat here for 3 hours looking through all my folders and lo and behold in a folder marked "BCPSTASH" there were nearly 3000 photos of children or pre-teens, i immediately deleted and scanned my comp got rid of a virus and to be sure i did a system restore to 48 hours previous then scanned again and clared the first "scout" virus.

Never happened again

Just be careful if you have crap security like i did.
My brother however used the persons IP link and sent it to the police, i dunno if he or she was arrested but i'd love to imagine their face when their plan backfired.

Originally posted by Lolage

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
So let me get this right

If Child Porn is so bad what does that make the adult porn then?

from what i heard all the so called porn actors in adult industry are paid to have but in the videos the adults victims are been abused and heck in most cases they are crying in pain just like kids do in child porn,



Well what do you think?
if you ask me both porno are a crime

1) Why have you even watched child porn - you seem to know that all the children in it cry

2) You seem to have questionable tastes in adult porn
3) Adults can consent to be in porn, apparently high pay for not to much work, whereas a child would not be able to consent.

Do you work in porn?
You seem to be a little sensitive on the subject.
I'd like to know how you deduced that someone who claims not only child porn, but all porn, to be distatsteful is in fact a pedophile.

There have been many shows on tv about childporn. You know, you get the poor fellow who has to deal with these criminals on the internet. His eyes are tearing up as he describes what happens to these children.

My impression is that they're definately not laughing.

I guess what i'm saying is that I'm absolutely shocked that you can make that deduction based on what he/she said. You just called him/her a pedophile on a public forum based on absolutely nothing.

Once when I was in middle school I was doing research on the computer for a project and was looking up black holes. In front of my entire family (computer in the living room) I was taken to a site about... the other black holes.

To some it would be terrible. To me, it was hilarious.

So that's what happened to Michael Jackson.
All makes sense now...

But seriously, this isn't new. Senior year of high school (I'm 22 now) one of my friends downloaded either a music program or a 3D modeling program, installed in, then a couple months later opened one of the folders in install directory. It was full of child porn and somehow automatically sent an alert to authorities because they got him that day. He is now classified as a sex offender, he is not allowed on the internet without supervision, and he is not allowed to enter a place that has an alcohol bar. He was in a band that was getting pretty popular and now, he can't perform because most of the venues around here have a bar. Seems odd that they would ban a pedophile from a place that doesn't allow kids to enter.

Well if this isn't a reason to keep your firewall and anti-virus up to date, I don't know what is. It amazes me the amount of people who will leave their computer unprotected. I do tech support work for a living and talk to people constantly who believe that the windows firewall and anti virus are all they'll ever need.

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Well from what I have seen in the news about pedofiles and child porn...the assumption of innocence goes out the window...along with reasonable doubt.

Fact is the laws and the enforcement of them need to change to be more producer/profiteer oriented... or a lot of innocent people will be humiliated and have their lives ruined.

The best anti-virus is your own brain. Learn to be smart and not click on suspicious links or files.

yikes, this is horrible on two levels, it'll eventually let the pedophiles off the hook and screw up a ton of peoples reputation between this and then. the scary thing is that there isn't much you can do about protecting yourself from attack, as the article says, it's frighteningly easy to download something you didn't mean to download.

Originally posted by PsykoOps
The best anti-virus is your own brain. Learn to be smart and not click on suspicious links or files.

seems impractical, suspicious e-mails are one thing but links....who knows!!! what grounds would make you suspect a link? suspicious links aren't usually called "evil-computer-hacker.com"

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reply to post by expat2368


Well i see what you are saying but people do not know how the law works so they remain affraid of it.
In order for you to get arrested for child porn some thing need to happen. first you need to get caught with it, that is how it happens. That happens because the people who get arrested are sharing and tradding with others. Now for you to be arrested the DA needs to make a solid case against you. The people that get caught are people who have a collection, get caught tradding or download a file that has been tagged by law enforcement. Having a pic in your temp file directory is not a solid case as it could easily be explained by an unwanted pop up and with everyone using the computer these days everyone knows that you can at times have little choice over what pops up.
Like i said if you ever find anything like that on your computer call the police. If you try to delete and cover it up it will only look like you tried to hide it and if you get into trouble with something else down the line you will get screwed.
If you are innocent you have nothing to worry about. If you are worried you probably have something to hide so do not try to spread fear to the other members of the forum.

Originally posted by zaiger
Well there is nothing to worry about really. If the cops can get all the contents of a hard drive that has been formatted im sure they can tell what was put there and what was looked for.
The cops really go after people who make and trade it because those people have collections and there is a profile that the pedos fall under. It would be like me mailing you an once of coc aine and calling the cops to have you arrested for posession once you checked your mail.
The only people who will be prosocuted as a result of this are the people who keep the photos that get storred on their computer and or do not report it. So if this happens to you or someone you know just call the cops and you will be fine.

You really trust the cops to care if someone else put it on your computer.

Big city departments might have computer forensics people but many small departments do not and would not care you are just another conviction to them.
Many southern state cops are so corrupt that they would not care unless you could pay them off.
you would just be another star on there record of convictions.

www.theherald.com.au...
www.crime-research.org...
www.freerepublic.com...
www.rcmpwatch.com...
www.pcworld.com...

This is just a small number of the cases where the cops did not care.

reply to post by ANNED


Okay...
The first story. The guy was downloading music and kiddy porn on limewire and he is in no way innocent of what he did. 1,000 dollar fine as opposed to having to pay for all the music he probably downloaded, yeah i would take the 1,000 dollar fine also

the 2nd story. It was a mistake and the people were not even charge with anything

the fourth story in a nutshell out of 241 people 22 arrested and 18 plead guilty
In that 5th story the woman accused was let go and will be given a new trial with the new evidence of the spyware on her computer.

Im not sure what you are trying to prove besides innocent people are not being thrown in jail over this.

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This could also be another example of problem-reaction-solution created in the shadows meant to serve those who wish to control the internet.

Actually "could be" probably "is".

Peace

It's your responsibility to know what's in your car, your home or your computer. Telling the police that the porn files on your computer arn't yours is akin to telling your teacher the dog ate your homework or telling you mom the drugs she found in your pants was your friends. If you can't manage to keep somebody else illegal items out of your property, then you probably deserve to get busted for your stupidity and I"m certain that's how the courts will see it.

Originally posted by zaiger
So if this happens to you or someone you know just call the cops and you will be fine.

That is about the most naive statement I've read in this thread.

Honey there's teen porn on the computer, better call 911 and let them sort it out.

If for any reason the police get a hold of your computer and find anything illegal - you are going to be charged and likely prosecuted.

Police will only look at your computer if you've been suspected or arrested for a crime and they would like additional evidence to make sure you get found guilty. Thus if your growing illegal plants in your home and the police bust in then take your computer looking for collaborating evidence about how to grow or sell your plants and then stumble upon some illegal pornography they will then change their focus because they can put this cockroach away for a more serious crime or just add it to the charges.

The police don't give a damn how the files got on your computer or who put them there. Once they have the evidence, the investigation is over. The idea that they are going to discover it was put there by a virus is completely inept.




[edit on 9-11-2009 by verylowfrequency]

Originally posted by yizzel

Originally posted by nahsik
wow so now a supposed pedophile who stores pictures such as this have an excuse by saying a computer virus placed it there.

Yeah I was thinking that too.

From the same source the OP linked

An inspection for his defense revealed the laptop was severely infected. It was programmed to visit as many as 40 child porn sites per minute — an inhuman feat. While Fiola and his wife were out to dinner one night, someone logged on to the computer and porn flowed in for an hour and a half.

I'd like to know how these sites stay up and operational.

Edit: typo

[edit on 9-11-2009 by yizzel]

It's a sure fire bet that these sites stay up and operational, because someone in the upper echelons of society has a vested interest in them remaining operational.

There's a lot of money to be made from the child sex industry. I recall reading somewhere that the global trade in children and the abuse of children runs into the billions of dollars - sick I know, but a fact nonetheless.

It really would not surprise me if there were more than a few people in the governments of this world involved in the operation or even owners of these sick websites....

I wonder if this tactic has ever been used to frame totally innocent people in the past? Perhaps people that have the ability to uncover corruption, etc in the governments of this world.... Just a thought.

reply to post by verylowfrequency


If you called the police and told them that someone uploaded something illegal on your computer the computer would show exactly that, you would be safe. If you have other illegal things on your computer then yeah you should be affraid.

why would a hacker ever need to do such a thing? A hacker would want to figure out soc security numbers and credit card information, but why would they ever want to upload child porn pics to someone's computer? And, even if they did, who cares unless the feds are shortly on their way?

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
So let me get this right

If Child Porn is so bad what does that make the adult porn then?

from what i heard all the so called porn actors in adult industry are paid to have but in the videos the adults victims are been abused and heck in most cases they are crying in pain just like kids do in child porn,


I dont understand why the Feds or Interpol is wasting time and money
helping those kids from there abusers most of there efforts will be nonsense because 90% of the time those rescued kids will go out in the streets and do it all over again.


Just so you know child porn was a business back in the 60s,70s,80s before the governments claimed its a crime shouldn't they say adult porn is also a crime?


Well what do you think?
if you ask me both porno are a crime

... i dont even know what to say. this is by far the dumbest post i have read in a long time. how the f--- can you even begin to compare child porn to adult porn? wow, im amazed.... what a strange world i live in

I read the article and was a bit taken aback. Like others, I wonder if this wouldn't be a means of setting someone up if they crossed the wrong person.

I'm pretty crazy about keeping my HD clean and watching where I go. And, there have been occasions when searching for something, that I've clicked on a link that I thought was related but was, in fact, a porn site front end. Now, mind you these were all adult sites but it is far too easy in my opinion to get to these types of sites.

Maybe the net needs its own red light district that requires you to pay to access it.

reply to post by zaiger


You should never ever call the police unless you are unable to handle the situation, need immediate assistance or report a crime for the purposes of filing an insurance claim.

If you're unable to restore your own computer or erase files you'd be better off calling a computer expert than the police. The police need to charge somebody if there is a crime and if they're too inept or unwilling to see that the files were placed there by somebody else - they will have no choice but to charge the owner of the computer ... Period.



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