"Prepare for War" -Chavez

Originally posted by TrainDispatcher

"Let's not waste a day on our main aim: to prepare for war and to help the people prepare for war, because it is everyone's responsibility," he reportedly said.

Invent an imaginary enemy to control his citizens. He is creating a North Korea in our neighborhood.

He has complete control of the media and schools. Kim Jung Il has nothing on this guy. There will never again be a real election in that country. How sad we have losers like Carter who support this jerk.

Anyone wake up this morning and say, gee I think we should invade Venezuela today? Lets hope his citizens take their country back before he completes the transition to a full Dictator. It may already be too late.

Originally posted by Blaine91555

Originally posted by TrainDispatcher

"Let's not waste a day on our main aim: to prepare for war and to help the people prepare for war, because it is everyone's responsibility," he reportedly said.

Invent an imaginary enemy to control his citizens. He is creating a North Korea in our neighborhood.

He has complete control of the media and schools. Kim Jung Il has nothing on this guy. There will never again be a real election in that country. How sad we have losers like Carter who support this jerk.

Anyone wake up this morning and say, gee I think we should invade Venezuela today? Lets hope his citizens take their country back before he completes the transition to a full Dictator. It may already be too late.

Did anyone wake up in 2003 and say, gee I think we should invade Iraq this year? Anyone besides Bush and Cheney?

Originally posted by TheBandit795
To learn more about this situation it's fair to learn about economic hitmen.

It is interesting how this system has continued pretty much the same way for years and years and years, except the economic hit men are getting better and better.
In 1998 Hugo Chavez gets elected president, following a long line of presidents who had been very corrupt, and basically destroyed the economy of the country.Chavez was elected amidst all that. Chavez stood up to the United States, and he has done it primarily demanding that Venezuelan oil be used to help the Venezuelan people. The US didn't like that so, in 2002 a riot was staged, which, there`s no question in most of people's minds that the CIA was behind that coup. The way that that coup was fomented was very reflective of what Kermit Roosevelt had done in Iran, of paying people to go out into the streets to riot, to protest, to say this Chavez is very unpopular. If one can get a few thousand people to do that, television can make it look like its the whole country, and things start to mushroom. Except in the case of Chavez, he was smart enough and the people were so strongly behind him that they overcame it which was a phenomenal moment in the history of Latin America.

Since that attempted coup in 2002, he has completely lost his mind though...

Ohhh...riiight...so MILLIONS of Venezuelans were paid to go to the streets and protest against Chavez...

You have got to be kidding....

BTW, i can link to websites that say "elvis is alive" and claim they have proof....

Originally posted by tyranny22
To me, it doesn't matter how Chavez rules his nation.

If the people of Venezuela don't like his rule, OVERTHROW HIM.
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They tried... They even had more than enough votes to do so, but Chavez went on live tv and stated NOONE will make him resign for any reason...

A Decade Under Chávez
September 22, 2008


II. Political Discrimination

Political discrimination has long plagued Venezuela. For decades, government patronage and spoils were divided along party lines at the expense of large sectors of Venezuelan society. Chávez assumed the presidency in part on the promise to free Venezuela from its entrenched patterns of political exclusion. While his government managed to uproot the established system of political discrimination, it has replaced it with new forms of discrimination against real and perceived political opponents.

The Chávez government proclaims a commitment to political inclusion, but has openly discriminated against those who do not share its views. Government officials have removed scores of detractors from the career civil service, purged dissident employees from the national oil company, denied citizens access to social programs based on their political opinions, and denounced critics as subversives deserving of discriminatory treatment. The Chávez administration's exclusion and harassment of those who voice their dissent belie its banner of democratic pluralism.

Political discrimination under Chávez was most pronounced in the aftermath of the 2004 recall referendum on Chávez's presidency. Citizens who exercised their right to call for the referendum-invoking one of the new participatory mechanisms championed by Chávez during the drafting of the 1999 Constitution-were threatened with retaliation and blacklisted from some government jobs and services. After denouncing the referendum effort as an act "against the country", Chávez requested that electoral authorities give legislator Luis Tascón a list of those who signed the referendum petition, which was made publicly available on the internet. The "Tascón list" and an even more detailed list of all Venezuelans' political affiliations-the "Maisanta program"-were then used by public authorities to target government opponents for political discrimination. (There were also reports that private sector employers utilized the lists to discriminate against Chávez supporters.)

In one prominent case from 2004, a government banking agency used the lists in compiling political profiles of its employees and then fired more than 80 employees deemed to be part of the political opposition. In a similar case shortly after the referendum, government officials refused to renew a contract with a cooperative that made school uniforms on the grounds that cooperative members had appeared on the Tascón list and thus did not "deserve" the benefits of the program.

Political discrimination has been openly endorsed and practiced in the oil industry, which is one of the country's largest sources of employment and the backbone of the national economy. After a two-month-long strike in December 2002, the government fired close to half of the workforce from the state oil company, Petróleos de Venezuela, S.A. (PDVSA), and blacklisted them from future employment in the oil sector. A month before the 2006 presidential election, the energy minister (who also serves as PDVSA president) boasted that the company had removed 19,500 enemies of the country from the (oil) business and would continue to do so, telling PDVSA employees that anyone who disagreed with the government should give up their post to a Bolivarian. Although the minister issued a memo almost a year later proscribing political discrimination, there is credible evidence that the discriminatory mindset reflected in his initial remarks was also embodied in actual employment policies in some departments of PDVSA.

www.hrw.org...


That is some of the so wonderful things that have occurred under Chavez....

Venezuelans have taken to the streets in the millions, yet there is discrimination by the government of Chavez against those who protest, an example is the "Tascon list" which Chavez used to undermine and try to silence Venezuelans who oppose him.

Chavez has taken over national television, and closed down those who were critical of him, something which the Obama administration is also doing, or at least TRYING to do...



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reply to post by TrainDispatcher


We all fully understand America is always up to NO GOOD.

Just look at it from Chavez's point of view for a second... Why have these US Gringo's and their powerful Army bent Columbia over a treestump, and forced them to war with their own cousins? Would America allow or apprechiate a South American military jumpoff point to control Canada?? HELL NO! This whole conquer and divide thing has been played out for centuries... When are the other third world morons gonna wake up to the UN's and America's underhanded tactics...

America - "We'll pave you ah dirt road and put in pipes for tap water in exchange of your airspace and to spy on people we don't like... We are here in the name of Democracy!... and by the way we'll also be taking those drugs...

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It would be really interesting to see a few Su-30MKV's and F-16A Block 15 against our Hornets, Vipers and Eagles. The Su-30 would be interesting..while the hardware is great the pilots are probably idiots. And god knows those Block 15's wouldn't last long. That would probably be the only interesting thing about Chavezuela picking a fight with someone but they probably wouldn't even use the Flankers. The people are probably going to revolt.

reply to post by AliBruh


How is that relevant? Do you personally support a State Run Media and the indoctrination of children in schools? Are you opposed to a Free Press and Free Speech?

reply to post by HotSauce


I wouldn't be surprised if the CIA is behind all of this sword-waggling.

Personally? I think a war would be a horrible idea. However, Chavez has a right to be frustrated thanks to Colombia and the out-of-control, CIA run drug war farce operation.

reply to post by Blaine91555


Do you support an illegal and immoral drug war where the money of U.S taxpayers is sent to Colombia to allow them to do the things that provoke Mr.Chavez in the first place?

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Anything is possible when the initials are C.I.A.

Second line.

ah yes! nothing like good old fear mongering to keep everybody on their toes!

reply to post by Janitor From Mars


What is with all the Straw Man arguments today. Am I on ATS or the Daily Koss?

I'll ask you then. Do you support his taking over of the Press and the Schools? Are you opposed to Free Speech and Freedom of the Press?

Those people rioting in the streets over the schools and the take over of the media; why are you against them exactly? Why don't you support them? Why don't you want them to have basic freedoms?

reply to post by Blaine91555


Not at all opposed.

That's not the point here.

The point is, the West has a history of provoking countries with a socialistic bent thanks to the Cold War. Like him or not, Chavez has a right to respond to threats from Colombia or any other country.

It sounds to me like you're using the free press/freedom of speech argument against anyone that disagrees with your desire to overthrow Chavez. That's a true strawman.

Its disgusting to see so many war hungry americans.


Any government that is not a complete democracy deserves to be replaced, and America is no exception.

When countries finally rise up to crush the NWO are you going to side with American just because its America?.. Or are you going to do the right thing for the country by replacing the government?

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Crowds can easily be molded and brainwashed to match the opinion of an elite few. There's no money needed for that. We've seen that happen in virtually any society.

Furthermore, that site was just the first one I could find at the moment which had the information on Economic Hitmen and the jackals that have the majority of South American and (other) third world countries' governments under control. You should read up on that subject if you haven't done so yet.

Originally posted by The_Zomar
Its disgusting to see so many war hungry americans.


Any government that is not a complete democracy deserves to be replaced, and America is no exception.

When countries finally rise up to crush the NWO are you going to side with American just because its America?.. Or are you going to do the right thing for the country by replacing the government?

NWO = America? interesting....

have you ever think about the possibility of NWO being part of these "socialist revolution"? with NWO nothing is what it seems.

Will Venezuela or Cuba do the right thing for the country by giving the chance to people to replace the government as we do each 4 years?

Do you think Chavez will give away his power to an other candidate so easy???

come on man... I bet you have better arguments

That country is always looking to start a war

Lets hope his citizens take their country back before he completes the transition to a full Dictator. It may already be too late.
(this was a quote from someone uptop , new to the site have no figured out how to quote yet)

Hah im sure we have a special forces black ops mission going on right now training and equipping a para-military gorilla force that plants bombs and evades while spreading pro west propaganda backing sympathetic politicians. Judging by our track record in south and central American policy in the past i bet it is highly likely.

God bless America. /sarcasm off.

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This is straight out of the kim jong-il playbook haha

LOL to those who think Chavez cares about war casualties on his side. He does not care about the Venezuelan people, he only cares about staying in power.

He accuses his ministers of being inefficient and blames them for everything that goes wrong. Well who is managing the country? He is. He NEVER EVER talks about the RAPIDLY climbing insecurity in the country because he fears that if he talks about it the people will start to see that he is the one to blame. You think its funny getting shot/killed over a pair of shoes? You think its funny I find myself looking around to make sure nobody is following me on my way to my car?

Well not everyone walks around with 100 body guards Mr. Chavez, the rest of us DO have to worry about crime.

He cares about giving enough to the poor to were they will support him, but never too much. Keep them poor and ignorant and they wont see through his lies.