At Least 7 Dead, 12 Wounded in Shooting at Ft. Hood in Texas

"United States Army Major Nidal Hasan told a radical cleric considered by authorities to be an al-Qaeda recruiter, "I can't wait to join you" in the afterlife, according to an American official with top secret access to 18 e-mails exchanged between Hasan and the cleric, Anwar al Awlaki, over a six month period between Dec. 2008 and June 2009. "
abcnews.go.com...

Oh yeah. Premeditation!!!
And the cleric didn't stop him? oh no..... why not? A cleric of the religion of peace???? Didn't stop this shooter?

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Point taken, agreement reached.

As a matter of fact, I'm one of the few around here who realize that I actually live in Military Government District 10, which is what this area has been since 1865.

reply to post by nenothtu

Ever since then, the word "zionist" sets off alarms in my head.

Zionism is often defined in radically different ways by people who largely do not understand what its basic tenants and goals are.

The real Zionist Manifesto published in 1946 in Hebrew to be used as a collective strategy to gain an independent state and maintain an independent state through terrorism and manipulation is as real as the day is long.

Presented here is a translation of a rare undated manifesto of the right-wing (also called "Revisionist") Zionist "Irgun" underground organization in Pre-State Israel. The manifesto, a 227 page book printed in Hebrew on half-sized typewritten pages, fastened by nails with a cardboard cover and reinforced spine, is called "The Hebrew War of Liberation (Ideological Foundations)". Its significance lies in the fact that it was produced around July-August 1946 at the height of a period of revolt called the "Hebrew Revolt" of 1944-1948 in Mandatory Palestine against British rule, led primarily by the Irgun itself, and this book is an attempt to explain the causes and justification of the revolt.

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It’s important to understand that the Irgun is viewed by all credible scholars and encyclopedias to be a terrorist organization. The manifesto itself promoted the Zionist goals of dominating all of the Middle East from the Mesopotamian Delta to the Brooks of Egypt these were the ancestral roaming grounds of a race of people that you know as the Hebrew but actual History recorded in Stone refers to as the Habiru and Hapiri.

The plan clearly calls for genocide and exile of the indigenous peoples of the region and enlisting the aide of powerful allies abroad to manipulate towards doing most of the heavy lifting and financing towards that goal and end.

Indeed the word Zionism sends off alarm bells in my head too.

Pre-State Israel counted three main underground armed organizations: the "Haganah" (or "Defence"), the main armed formation which closely identified with the Socialist-Zionist views of the Jewish leadership in Palestine (represented by an institution called the "Jewish Agency" and its labor union called the "Histadrut"); the "Irgun" (or "Organization" - a shorthand for the full name "National Military Organization", whose acronym in Hebrew is pronounced "Etzel"), a right-wing "revisionist" Zionist armed formation which broke away from the "Haganah" in 1931 and adopted the ideological views of Ze'ev Jabotinsky; and the "Lechi" (the Hebrew acronym for "Fighters for the Freedom of Israel"), formed in 1940 as a more radical revisionist splinter group from the Irgun.

These were all the originators of Terrorism in the Middle East to achieve political objectives. Zionism called for and allowed for the murder of Hebrews that hired the indigenous population to work for them as part of the strategy to drive out the indigenous population required that economic opportunities be denied to them. Many Jewish Shopkeepers and Farmers were in fact killed by Zionist Terrorists for violating this part of the Zionist Manifesto in Palestine prior to the emergence of the Israeli Zionist State.

Militarily, the distinction between these three groups was based on their perception of British rule in Palestine and of Jewish rights under that rule. The Irgun was formed in 1931 in response to the perception of weak Jewish self-defense (by the "Haganah") and insufficient British protection in the face of attacks by Arab marauders during the previous 12 years. The Irgun promoted a more active form of Jewish self defence and retaliation even as against the policies of the Mandatory Government, and so too also promotion of "illegal" immigration to Eretz Israel as against British policies later in that decade. A watershed in military policy between the above three formations occurred at the outbreak of the Second World War: shortly after the outbreak of the war, in 1939, the Irgun suspended activities contrary to British policy and cooperated, together with the "Haganah", with the British in the struggle against Germany. Within the Irgun however, arose a rift against the policy of cooperation with the British, and a new splinter group under Avraham Stern, the "Lechi", was formed. The "Lechi" felt that ongoing British restrictions to Jewish immigration to Palestine were as much a threat to the Jews as the German extermination of them on the European continent, and initiated underground activities against the British from 1940 onwards.

Colonial Secretary Winston Churchill and Lord Rothschild who had secured the British Mandate of Palestine through the Balfour Declaration often corresponded in writing about the progress of immigration to Palestine by Jews. Both men often lamented that most of the Jews immigrating were poorer rural non-ethnic Jews from Russia. These men were not considered ideal but these men were nonetheless recruited into the Jewish Underground Zionist Terrorist Cells to fight against the British and to start driving off the local Arab population. That Jews like Trotsky played a huge part in the formation of the Soviet Communist State is well documented and a part of history as is the very real Zionist Terrorism that is today downplayed and glossed over but played a critical part in the formation of an independent Zionist Israel State and still plays a critical part today in maintaining it through the manifesto.

Obtaining a copy of the actual Zionist Manifesto is not an easy thing and today’s propaganda tries to dismiss the actual meaning of Zionism and that there is in fact an active and ongoing Zionist Manifesto to dominate all of the Middle East.

It was then and is till today the root cause of Terrorism in the region.

The Irgun detected the changing fortunes of the war relatively early and on 1 February 1944 issued a declaration against the British government in Palestine effectively signalling the beginning of the "Hebrew Revolt" (to be distinguished from the "Jewish Revolt" of 66-73 CE against imperial Rome). From that period onward Irgun and Lechi policies were virtually complimentary to each other, and both fought relentlessly against British immigration restrictions as well as militarily against the armed British and Mandatory forces with operations - many of them "terrorist" in nature in the eyes of the British and some Jews - occurring almost daily. Between November 1945 and September 1946 all three Jewish armed organizations operated in concert against the British, though before and especially afterwards, the Haganah also waged a harsh struggle against the Revisionist formations, fearing their detrimental influence on international public opinion and also of their possible political influence domestically on the Jews of Eretz Israel. The period of the revolt involved the participation of up to 100,000 British soldiers, plus Mandatory police forces and the employment of the elite Special Air Service (SAS). The revolt brought the Jewish-Palestine issue to the fore of international relations and led to the United Nations decision (29 November 1947) to end the Mandate and partition Palestine into two states - one Arab and another Jewish. Though the issue could be debated, it is hard to avoid the idea that the aggressive stance adopted by the Irgun and Lechi is actually what caused the British to leave Palestine and enabled Israel to be founded when it did (hence the significance of the tract presented here).

Sadly because the victors of conflicts and those in power love to rewrite history to pain themselves and events in often far different light than they actually occurred in we fail to learn many lessons from history that have tragic consequences.

One of the most telling things is that Jews and Zionists alike still have no real way to address the various Zionist Terrorist Cells crimes against the British and the Arabs but mostly just play the Nazi, anti-Semite card when the subject comes up and deflect away from it.

The Zionist Manifesto is one very scary document as its goals are genocide, domination, and subverting nations like the United States to aid and abet it in this fashion.

Most people labor under a seriously diluted and rose colored account of history that has been in fact offered to them to enlist them as pawns in a struggle that they know nothing truly about the agenda and goals of.

Zionists pray off of Jews and the Orthodox Jews are vehemently opposed to them and their policies and refuse to and are exempt from fighting in the Israeli Defense Forces as a result.

Though it is a favorite tactic of Zionists, anti-Zionists are not anti-Semites per say as Zionism is a political control cult and Judaism is a religion and are two different distinct things, this is why Zionists like to exploit and hide

Originally posted by mmiichael

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
The reality is that Pirates are Pirates, Pirates all have a code. Watch any one of the Pirates of the Carribean movies to find out more.

My pal, the Protoplasmic Traveler. I'd love to hate you, but your pearls of wisdom, cast out to undeserving swinish types like myself, so often crack me up, it's really hard to maintain a grim and determined face.

I'm no expert of high seas pirates. But like with the Old West cowboy or the gallant knights in shining armour, most of what we think we know about these unusual historical characters is based on romantic fantasizing in novels and film, not real life.

Never seen them but know Disney's "Pirates of the Caribbean" juvenile audience movie franchise have little semblance to the historical pirates of previous centuries.

Fact and Fiction are often very different.


M

The fact is pirating is a very hard life. It's feast or famine and mostly famine and most pirates end up dead.

Many pirates were pressed into service at the point of a gun after their own ships were captured they had a choice of walking the plank or joining the crew.

There are no credible accounts that suggest the Barbary Coast Pirates were functioning through a religious edict or tennant they were simply Pirates.

Normally I would not get bogged down in such a rediculous deflection of Zionist terrorism but I like Pirates!

I like Pirates because they all have one thing in common, they love sticking it to the man!

I also love the law of confusion! All through my life everyone I have ever known says the same exact thing that they arrive at independently through knowing me "I never know whether I want to hug him or hit him".

Keep them guessing that's what I say!

Now Michael how are we going to get the world to love one another more so there will be no more need for terrorist actions.

I don't think bombs are going to help in that endeavor and neither will incendiary words.

I have been trying to develop the Spanish Fly approach but wow talk about Alchemy!

There must be a way to get all the kids to play nice, and still drill for oil and dig for gold?

Originally posted by nenothtu
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

Point taken, agreement reached.

As a matter of fact, I'm one of the few around here who realize that I actually live in Military Government District 10, which is what this area has been since 1865.

Hey there is a big star for you my friend! We do actually live under a Military State of Emergency where the Constitution fell out of use in 1861 and is no longer a legally enforcable document.

Me personally no offense to anyone, I would rather spend time and energy restoring a Constitutional Government to the United States and our economy along with it than worrying about the people in the Middle East and Asia.

It's pointless to take sides in struggles that have been going on for thousands of years that no one ever wins or looses but you always loose and pay to play!

It distracts us, and the United States Military is being strained at the seems to keep functioning in this constant state of low intensity conflict that is only being waged as a low intensity conflict to maximize the monetary profit off of it.

Our men and women deserve a better life than that.

From a pure miliatary doctrine standpoint you could claim we are over there drawing their forces away from here.

Every guy named Juan or Julio can walk across our border though and get a fake Social Security Card for 100.00 so come on, the reality is they aren't really trying to attack us here, and it still has not been satisfactorily proven who attacked us for what purpose on September 11th in a Constitutional fashion and manner.

We need to get our men and women out of there we need to let our military stand down for a while.

There is no credible reason why Major Hassan was not drummed out of the military on his service reviews alone 3 or 4 years ago beyond the fact that the military is over extended and over tasked in waging low intensity conflicts for corporate profit.

Our military has become a mercenary army for foreign corporations and governments and our own corporations and if our children are to fight and die it should be for something more than to protect a dope shipment, oil well or copper mine for a international corporation.

Originally posted by JJay55
"United States Army Major Nidal Hasan told a radical cleric considered by authorities to be an al-Qaeda recruiter, "I can't wait to join you" in the afterlife, according to an American official with top secret access to 18 e-mails exchanged between Hasan and the cleric, Anwar al Awlaki, over a six month period between Dec. 2008 and June 2009. "
abcnews.go.com...

Oh yeah. Premeditation!!!
And the cleric didn't stop him? oh no..... why not? A cleric of the religion of peace???? Didn't stop this shooter?

Here is the thing though as usual with these types of media reports, the actual 'Official' who has seen these emails isn't disclosing who he or she is. They simply are purporting that they have read them but not identifying who they are to be accountable for and responsible for what they are reporting.

ABC then turns around after taking this unnamed Official's version in his own words of what they claim was said in them, and turns around to one of it's on staff Military annalysts that they do name even though he isn't the one disclosing the information that then comments on it, saying wow it sounds like Code talk to me.

Sounds like bad reporting to me, to use unnamed sources who aren't accountable for what they tell the press because they are in fact choosing to withhold their name. The press hasn't seen the emails them selves and admit that much so then how do they know an unnamed offical leaking an unofficial disclosure of whats in them is even presenting it accurately?

If the emails say those things why not just release them to the public and the press, why not just say "Today Attorney General Eric Holder quote passages from the emails".

All it really is, is heresay and innuendo until these things are fully disclosed by named officials willing to go on the record with them.

This is how the media court of public opinion the discredit mainstream news media operates.

That in itself is a form of terrorism as Americans really do deserve the whole truth and nothing but the truth and the reality is if the emails were truly that incriminating they would release them!

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
it still has not been satisfactorily proven who attacked us for what purpose on September 11th in a Constitutional fashion and manner.

In case you aren't aware - warehouses full of documentation, thousands of communications and fund transfer records, vast amounts of testimony and confessions, compiled by a couple dozen countries, some in the Middle East, have determined who attacked the US on Sept 11, 2001, with hijacked planes and the rationale. From all indicators it was an act of terrorism

In fact the self-admitted primary planner, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and four others involved, are about to go on trial in the US.

There is a sub-industry of books, websites, videos, discussion forums, where there are attempts to create doubt that events happened as reported. After 8 years, with thousands worldwide searching for evidence of an alternative scenario, nothing has been found that substantiates a different chain of events.

But human nature being what it is, there are always people eager to believe any wonky theories that support their particular world view.


M




[edit on 19-11-2009 by mmiichael]

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler it still has not been satisfactorily proven who attacked us for what purpose on September 11th in a Constitutional fashion and manner.

It was the Jews, with the lead pipe in the Conservatory.

How ridiculous is it that we still have people making absolute fools of themselves as they claim we don't know who was responsible for 9/11. In order to even consider making such ludicrous statements one has to be either alarmingly ill informed or motivated to deflect blame from the Islamic Fundamentalist Terrorists.

We seem to have an arm of people here who are intent on convincing as many as possible that AQ and other Islamist Terror organizations are figments of the govt's imagination.

What motive could they possibly have? Hmmmm. I wonder....

Originally posted by mmiichael

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
it still has not been satisfactorily proven who attacked us for what purpose on September 11th in a Constitutional fashion and manner.

In case you aren't aware - warehouses full of documentation, thousands of communications and fund transfer records, vast amounts of testimony and confessions, compiled by a couple dozen countries, some in the Middle East, have determined who attacked the US on Sept 11, 2001, with hijacked planes and the rationale. From all indicators it was an act of terrorism

In fact the self-admitted primary planner, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and four others involved, are about to go on trial in the US.

There is a sub-industry of books, websites, videos, discussion forums, where there are attempts to create doubt that events happened as reported. After 8 years, with thousands worldwide searching for evidence of an alternative scenario, nothing has been found that substantiates a different chain of events.

But human nature being what it is, there are always people eager to believe any theory that supports their particular world view.


M

That's nice Michael sounds like the real criminals went to a lot of trouble to manufacture a cover up of that magnitude!

I will give them a B+ for effort but they still are on Santa's naughty list!

September 11th was clearly a false flag and inside job. Following the profit trail the real money involved and to be earned leads to the usual suspects.

KSM will likely walk and walk with a big undisclosed settlement of cash after being so kind as to run the Terrorist Training School we operate down at Gitmo by cycling catch and release youthful combatants off the War on Terror Battlefields through there for training and contact purposes.

Some people are just not able to appreciate the big picture in managing a global enterprise Michael. It's why the powers that be keep most of us as slaves, small thinkers easily distracted, no focus, little iniative.

But hey those who want to believe in fariy tales and give up 50% of their earnings to keep the corporate government and the military industrial complex humming along are sure enough free enough to do that!

Not free to do much else mind you, but free enough to do that.

The real evidence of 9/11 went up with building number 7 the Securities and Exchange Commission that had the foundational paperwork of a 11 trillion dollar theft that would soon after transpire.

The Pentagon needed some remodelling to hide just who the Mujhadeen oops I mean Al Queda are!

Who funds them, who trained them, etc., etc.

This is the stuff that goes on in the real world Michael.

Hey look there is a bread crumb over there! Who should we get to fight over it Venezuella and Columbia?

The fact that the Zionists will stop at nothing to pin 9/11 on the Muslims pretty much speaks for itself.

Classic misdirection the criminals return to the scene of the crime drop a few passports and hints, lay a little background paper trail leading up to the operation. Kid's play cloak and dagger stuff.

Don't worry Michael I seperate Zionists from Jews. Besides Bush, Cheyney, the Bin Laden Family, and the CIA, and Cabinet Level Appointees were up to their eyeballs too along with the MOSSAD.

We will eventually try and convict and hang for treason our government officials who were involved and Israel as usual will elect who was involved in the MOSSAD to Prime Minister just like they did all the founding Zionist Terrorists.

Kill the Muslim Terrorists, put the Zionist ones in High Office. I know the drill Michael.

Originally posted by mmiichael

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
it still has not been satisfactorily proven who attacked us for what purpose on September 11th in a Constitutional fashion and manner.

In case you aren't aware - warehouses full of documentation, thousands of communications and fund transfer records, vast amounts of testimony and confessions, compiled by a couple dozen countries, some in the Middle East, have determined who attacked the US on Sept 11, 2001, with hijacked planes and the rationale. From all indicators it was an act of terrorism

In fact the self-admitted primary planner, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and four others involved, are about to go on trial in the US.

There is a sub-industry of books, websites, videos, discussion forums, where there are attempts to create doubt that events happened as reported. After 8 years, with thousands worldwide searching for evidence of an alternative scenario, nothing has been found that substantiates a different chain of events.

But human nature being what it is, there are always people eager to believe any wonky theories that support their particular world view.


M




[edit on 19-11-2009 by mmiichael]

Maybe you could start a thread with all that crap above.
Are there any Canadian Muslim counter parts to the Major serving in Afganistan? Are any of your family or friends serving in Iraq?
Have any been returned dead? Do you worry about attacks at your military bases, like the one at Ft. Hood?
Are the Canadian people worried about any of their cities being nuked?

[edit on 19-11-2009 by Donny 4 million]

Originally posted by Night Watchman

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler it still has not been satisfactorily proven who attacked us for what purpose on September 11th in a Constitutional fashion and manner.

It was the Jews, with the lead pipe in the Conservatory.

How ridiculous is it that we still have people making absolute fools of themselves as they claim we don't know who was responsible for 9/11. In order to even consider making such ludicrous statements one has to be either alarmingly ill informed or motivated to deflect blame from the Islamic Fundamentalist Terrorists.

We seem to have an arm of people here who are intent on convincing as many as possible that AQ and other Islamist Terror organizations are figments of the govt's imagination.

What motive could they possibly have? Hmmmm. I wonder....

Lets see motive could an American have to tell the truth?

TO SAVE US TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS EVERY YEAR THAT IS BANKRUPTING US SPENT ON THE WAR ON TERROR...

oh yeah AND TO RETURN CONSTITUTIONAL LAW AND REPEAL THE PATRIOT AND FISA ACTS...

oh yeah AND TO GET ALL THE FOREIGN INFLUENCES OUT OF OUR GOVEMERNMENT THAT ARE BANKRUPTING IT.

But hey you keep worrying about the Jews in the study with the Lead Pipe and whether or not the ZIONISTS who ARE NOT JEWS BUT ZIONISTS have their feelings hurt while you promote political correctness for the UNITED ZIONIST STATES OF ISRAEL!

I will concentrate on creating peace in the world and restoring good government to the United States!





[edit on 19/11/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

Originally posted by Night Watchman

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler it still has not been satisfactorily proven who attacked us for what purpose on September 11th in a Constitutional fashion and manner.

It was the Jews, with the lead pipe in the Conservatory.

How ridiculous is it that we still have people making absolute fools of themselves as they claim we don't know who was responsible for 9/11. In order to even consider making such ludicrous statements one has to be either alarmingly ill informed or motivated to deflect blame from the Islamic Fundamentalist Terrorists.

We seem to have an arm of people here who are intent on convincing as many as possible that AQ and other Islamist Terror organizations are figments of the govt's imagination.

What motive could they possibly have? Hmmmm. I wonder....

In the game of clue you can make a guess.
But only one killer. You can not quess the entire Islamic population.
No one has been tried in an American court of law for the tragedies of 911. Except in the minds of the unjust.
Same with the Major.

[edit on 19-11-2009 by Donny 4 million]

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


So then, what you are saying is that, in your world view, "zionists" are just the jewish version of the muslim's "jihadists"? Is that correct?

I also note that, in the sources you quoted in that post, this organization, the Irgun, coalesced in 1931, as a reaction to insufficient protections of the jewish population against "arab marauders".

But somehow they "started" all this terrorism business?

Jihad, as exemplified by the acts of Mohammed (which radiated outward from Makkah and eventually encompassed quite a lot more area than the documents you present suggest the zionists are after, before it was contained) and company bears no responsibility in the mix?

Originally posted by Donny 4 million
Are there any Canadian Muslim counter parts to the Major serving in Afganistan? Are any of your family or friends serving in Iraq?
Have any been returned dead? Do you worry about attacks at your military bases, like the one at Ft. Hood?
Are the Canadian people worried about any of their cities being nuked?

Canada's Prime Minister, Stephen Harper, indignantly and vocally led the boycott of the recent Durban II 'alleged' conference in Geneva. A second UNinspired festival of Jew-hatred (just substitute the word 'Zionist') the offspring of a similar gross out in 2001 in Durban. Most civilized countries boycotted this embarrassing sham not long after.

Unlike the leaders of some countries, Harper does not feel inclined to kiss the asses of foreign regimes that supply vital natural resources to the West.

As 80% of Canada's population lives within 100 miles of the US border, we are naturally concerned Americans may not respond with the required impugnity to malign regimes and forces that have and continue to threaten it's population right where they live.

Our proximity would mean shared vulnerability. The fallout from, say, a nuke set off in any Great Lakes metropolis, or an unleashed biological weapon, would cause untold numbers of Canadian deaths.

So a major concern is not our current leader making judgement errors on who is our friend and who is our enemy, so much as a disastrously bad call made by our neighbour, the US.



[edit on 19-11-2009 by mmiichael]

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Hey there is a big star for you my friend! We do actually live under a Military State of Emergency where the Constitution fell out of use in 1861 and is no longer a legally enforcable document.

Perhaps you can enlighten me. I've always thought that the Union States were back under Constitutional authority already, and it was just the Confederacy that was still subject to military rule.

Me personally no offense to anyone, I would rather spend time and energy restoring a Constitutional Government to the United States and our economy along with it than worrying about the people in the Middle East and Asia.

Me too, but those pesky jihadists seem to have another notion, and just don't want to leave us be to set our house in order.

It's pointless to take sides in struggles that have been going on for thousands of years that no one ever wins or looses but you always loose and pay to play!

No, according to your previous posts, these struggles have only been going on in the middle east for 60-odd years, not "thousands of years". Ohterwise, one could not blame the root cause on "zionism", per your definition.

It distracts us, and the United States Military is being strained at the seems to keep functioning in this constant state of low intensity conflict that is only being waged as a low intensity conflict to maximize the monetary profit off of it.

I agree. Kick this conflict into high intensity, so that we can be done with it, and get around to the business of straightening our own house out.

Our men and women deserve a better life than that.

From a pure miliatary doctrine standpoint you could claim we are over there drawing their forces away from here.

That would seem to be the general thrust of the argument, but it seems not to always work out that way, does it? I suppose some roaches will always slip through the cracks.

Every guy named Juan or Julio can walk across our border though and get a fake Social Security Card for 100.00 so come on, the reality is they aren't really trying to attack us here, and it still has not been satisfactorily proven who attacked us for what purpose on September 11th in a Constitutional fashion and manner.

You must live in a very reasonable area. Fake ID documnets for illegals around here average $300.00.

Until the 9-11 attacks can be proven in a "Constitutional" manner (how would one do that "Constitutionally", anyhow?) I'll just have to operate on al-Qaeda's confessions in the matter.

There is no credible reason why Major Hassan was not drummed out of the military on his service reviews alone 3 or 4 years ago beyond the fact that the military is over extended and over tasked in waging low intensity conflicts for corporate profit.

Rampant Political Over-Correctness comes to mind, the fear of pissing off masses that OUR masses have no understanding of.

... a mercenary army ... to protect ... copper mine ...

Been checking me out, I see.

Originally posted by nenothtu
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

So then, what you are saying is that, in your world view, "zionists" are just the jewish version of the muslim's "jihadists"? Is that correct?

I also note that, in the sources you quoted in that post, this organization, the Irgun, coalesced in 1931, as a reaction to insufficient protections of the jewish population against "arab marauders".

But somehow they "started" all this terrorism business?

Prototype conveniently forgot to note the 1929 massacre in Jerusalem, where thousands of native Jews had been living for centuries.

Inflaming if not preciptating it, one of a series of Arab attacks on indigenous Jews, was Haj Amin al Husseini, the Mufti of Jerusalem. Yasser Arafat's uncle and claimed source of inspiration, he spent a good portion of WWII in Berlin acting as a highly paid radio spokesman for Jewish extermination, and advocate of a customized genocide of Jews in Middle East. His plans for Nazi style concentration and death camps were only aborted as resources and manpower dried up in the last days of the European War.


M

[edit on 19-11-2009 by mmiichael]

Originally posted by nenothtu
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

So then, what you are saying is that, in your world view, "zionists" are just the jewish version of the muslim's "jihadists"? Is that correct?

I also note that, in the sources you quoted in that post, this organization, the Irgun, coalesced in 1931, as a reaction to insufficient protections of the jewish population against "arab marauders".

But somehow they "started" all this terrorism business?

Jihad, as exemplified by the acts of Mohammed (which radiated outward from Makkah and eventually encompassed quite a lot more area than the documents you present suggest the zionists are after, before it was contained) and company bears no responsibility in the mix?

No my friend that would be an incorrect assumption Zionists in fact are themselves Pirates. That is who the real Habiru where in pre-Biblical times. They were a marauding sea people that immigrated to the Middle East from Europe. They were slave traders, pirates, black marketers, assassins, and mercenaries and always have been. Zionists are not religious in nature they simply exploit religion. You will note that many of the Zionists posting on ATS do so routinely on the Hebrew Sabbath. They truly are not religious, but a criminal cabal.

The Hebrew religion and its unnamed G-d (G-O-L-D) has not one little thing to do with Yahweh they actually though had in their pantheon of Gods the Canaanite God Yahsweh though who was the patron God of Pirates and Mercenaries. In fact there is no Yahweh and Christians actually unknowingly worship Amen-Ra they dedicate all their prayers to Amen. I am told Amen very much appreciates this attention. The trios of religions that make up the Aramaic sects of Abraham are all fictions. Christians are actually tricked into worshiping the sun; Muslims are tricked into worshipping the moon. The Hebrews Lord G-d is (G-O-L-D) and none of the laity of these sects has any remote idea as to the fact that they have been so deceived and in fact are so in love with this faith based illusion given to them all by an ever benevolent Rome that they become overwrought with separation anxiety at the mere mention that they have all been duped into meaningless control cults.

It’s all a divide and conquers strategy for conquering the entire world by getting the masses to conquer themselves with a classic two sides against the middle division strategy. Rome is behind this and the Habiru helped to provide the initial funding and laid the credible base foundation for the deity that was introduced as a cult into the Roman slave population. What better way to turn the entire planet into unwitting Roman slaves than foisting upon it violently the slaves of Rome preferred deity, one that spoke to a slaves Spartan existence and lack of wealth and earthly goods and would promote this as a virtue allowing Rome’s princes and captains to horde all the wealth the slave’s labor would create.

The Roman Empire chose to forego the cost of bread and circuses that was bankrupting the state and putting nearly unstoppable pressures on its borders from immigrants not invaders. Much the way the United States is currently being collapsed as an endless sea of humanity taxes its infrastructures clamoring for state services. Rome simply decided to use national and religious differences to keep getting people to conquer one another unwittingly on Rome’s behalf. The Jews would come in after an area was Christianized to lend credibility to an unseen deity that did not communicate and produced no tangible signs of it’s own existence and set up the G-O-L-D based system of commerce that all conquered people would share and common morality through the Talmudic type religious code contained in the Scriptures and then Roman Contract Law to bind all the states at their highest level of leadership to Rome.

Rome is the New World Order and it means to install a one world government under it’s control by using religious differences to wage an apocalyptical war that will be so horrific in nature those who survive will put away and aside their false ideologies and national and racial pride for peace and security.
The United States of America was founded as one of many Roman States by the Masons who are in fact at their highest levels Roman Knights of the Empire. The New World Order was successfully established at the conclusion of World War I when Rome gave the Habiru back Israel as promised via the Balfour Declaration. World War I was fought to create the modern day state of Israel, World War II and Hitler’s Genocide was fought to repopulate Israel (the Jews really didn’t want to leave Miami to go back, and well who the heck could blame them!) and World War III will be fought to eliminate these divisive control cults and their circular and factitious logic in favor of Roman Stoicism and Logic in a one world Government very similar to the prototype being developed in China. A totalitarian authoritarian police state for the workers and masses, additional freedoms for its security personal, low and mid level managers and low and mid level government workers and freedom and privilege for high ranking managers, owners and top government officials.

The Habiru had only brief settled in Jerusalem B.C. as in Before Caesar. Julius Caesar = Jesus Christ and Caesar’s 12 lictors who carried the fasces that a replica off adorns the House and Senate Chambers here in the United States are = to the 12 disciples of Christ the thirteen of them combined represent the signs of the Zodiac which the Christian Sun Cult religion that worships Amen-Ra is actually based upon. The 12 signs of the Zodiac the Sun in the Center. Brutus = Judas and it is a little known fact but Caesar did not die in the Senate attack but convalesced and secretly ruled Rome from the sole surviving original state of the Roman Republic Seborga, that tiny principality that also gave birth to the 8 Poor Knights of Christ who later became the Knights Templar who later became the Scottish Rites Free Masons, Seborga that established the Council of 8 that actually is the Cabal that currently rules Slave Planet Earth from one end to the other.

It’s actually all over but the shouting as the last migrations and consolidations will be accomplished in one final World War that the Zionists are tasked with instigating on Rome’s behalf.

Israel and Jerusalem mean nothing to the Zionists it never meant anything to the Habiru they ruled, robbed and plundered every state in the ancient Middle East from Egypt to Babylon and after robbing the people blind would get out of town when the people rebelled and move on to the next place. They have never been slaves, but were and are Slave Traders, if you have been circumcised you are marked as a Habiru slave. Personally I think desecrating little babies to mark them as slaves is kind of an act of terrorism but hey, that’s just me!

The Zionists hide behind the Jews and use them as a shield and plan to sacrifice them and Israel as it’s the grand prize to get the three main religious control cults to fight over.

This is the real conspiracy launched 2,000 years ago and must be completed and accomplished by the start of the next age 2012! They are pretty much on schedule but running a tad bit behind.

Nothing is what it seems on Slave Planet Earth. Welcome to ATS my friend. It’s a conspiracy site and this is the mother of all conspiracies. For those who want to be free I highly suggest to stop taking sides stop thinking with your hearts, start opening your eyes, and grab a copy of Paul Simon’s fifty ways to leave your lover and just get yourself free, cause the SHTF is about to happen.

Fort Hood is just one more in a long line of manipulated incidents to propel people into emotionally wanting to fight this last battle.

Look for Israel to launch another war right after Christmas on Iran. Look for one possibly two more false flags to happen before then. They won’t be big but small like Ft. Hood. Another big false flag like 9-11 will collapse the economy as the underfunded insurance industry can’t afford to take another big hit after having most of its assets pillaged on Wall Street and our treasury is so tapped out now, your grand kids grand kids will still be paying the interest on it!

Never listen to the Zionists!

Originally posted by mmiichael

Originally posted by nenothtu
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

So then, what you are saying is that, in your world view, "zionists" are just the jewish version of the muslim's "jihadists"? Is that correct?

I also note that, in the sources you quoted in that post, this organization, the Irgun, coalesced in 1931, as a reaction to insufficient protections of the jewish population against "arab marauders".

But somehow they "started" all this terrorism business?

Prototype conveniently forgot to note the 1929 massacre in Jerusalem, where thousands of native Jews had been living for centuries.

Inflaming if not preciptating it, one of a series of Arab attacks on indigenous Jews, was Haj Amin al Husseini, the Mufti of Jerusalem. Yasser Arafat's uncle and claimed source of inspiration, he spent a good portion of WWII in Berlin acting as a highly paid radio spokesman for Jewish extermination, and advocate of a customized genocide of Jews in Middle East. His plans for Nazi style concentration and death camps were only aborted as resources and manpower dried up in the last days of the European War.


M

[edit on 19-11-2009 by mmiichael]

In all fairness I posted the most biased towards Israel not against Israel history of the Zionist Manifesto. That particular site was rather kind in it's desriptions. Well as kind as you can be towards murdering terrorists that kill U.N. Peace envoys but kind, so you can appreciate that historically the Zionist Manifesto is real.

There are lots of petty intriques involved in Palestine from 1890 on when the Zionists first started prepping it cautiously as the Zionists weren't sure whether Rothchild would have enough clout to secure them Palestine or if they would have to settle for Ethiopea that the British had previously offerend the International Zionist Congress for a Zionist/Jewish homeland.

The first Zionists though started showing up in Palestine in the late 1800's and like the Christian armies in Iraq ended up quickly upsetting the age old status quo that allowed the Christians, Muslims and Jews that lived there that had not gone into Diaspora to get along with out violence.

The long and the short of it, the important thing about the Zionist Manifesto is that while favorable sites like the one I published say Zionist terrorism against the British was over immigration policy it was in reality over not wanting just the 48% of the land that constituted British Palestine. They wanted it all and for no Arab government to coexist alongside it on that land.

The dirtiest and shocking part of the history is that originally limited immigration was designed to be like limited availibility of the Swine Flu Shot, sign up now because there is too little!

However the Jews weren't even hitting their low immigration targets, the mostly cosmopolitan Jews of the world didn't want to leave their European and American and Canadian Cities. They still don't why do you think everyone who speaks for Israel is Canadian and British and Australian!
What a pitt that place is, they couldn't wait to sack it when Caesar and Augustus presented their plan to them.

Most of the immigrants were poor rural Russian and Eastern non-ethnic Jews. Rothschild was terribly dissapointed so he funded Hitler through Rockefeller and Harriman in the States, Prescott Bush functioned as the bag man, and they started persecuting the Jews and killing the Eastern European and Russian ones they didn't want in Israel to scare the European Jews they did want to move there after the war. Since Rothschild and Rockefeller owned most of Germany it was just the people of Germany they were sacrificing and they were all just slaves anyway so it didn't really matter. After the war the American tax payer paid to reubuild it all anyway and Germany has been trained to be Israel's number one financial benefactor and provider ever since!

No one seems to pay attention to anything on this planet! It's the strangest thing. It's almost like everyone is slaves and just likes fighting over trinkets.

Oh hey?...I keep forgetting...

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
It’s important to understand that the Irgun is viewed by all credible scholars and encyclopedias to be a terrorist organization. The manifesto itself promoted the Zionist goals of dominating all of the Middle East from the Mesopotamian Delta to the Brooks of Egypt these were the ancestral roaming grounds of a race of people that you know as the Hebrew but actual History recorded in Stone refers to as the Habiru and Hapiri.

The plan clearly calls for genocide and exile of the indigenous peoples of the region and enlisting the aide of powerful allies abroad to manipulate towards doing most of the heavy lifting and financing towards that goal and end.

As expected this is more BS. For starters it is now conceded by Middle East anthropological historians the 'Habiru' were not the early Hebrews. The word appears in many different cultures and time frames. The common context is of a generic despised underclass in some ways similar to the perception of 'Untouchables' in Hindu society or 'Gypsies' in Eastern Europe.

As for the supposed Manifest Destiny of the Evil Zionists. Well they captured and returned the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt, and let Gaza loose after the Egyptians refused to take it back. So the supposed expansionist Zionist Empire has shrunk considerably in the past few decades.

Overall a piss poor performance considering that in 60 years they still only have control of 1/500th of the Middle East territory and access to none of the oil and gas reserves.

As they are said by you to control 90% of the world's wealth why don't they just buy up some neighbouring countries? Or maybe even some financially distressed state like California, Nevada, Arizona, Michigan?

I'm sure there's some mind-boggling answer to these questions.

[edit to add:]

Just noted the untold story of WWII with Rothschild funding Hitler so Jews would want to move to the newly acquired Zionist Theme Park.

Kind of doesn't make sense wiping out most of Europe's Jewish population just to provide an incentive for immigration.

But less and less makes any sense as this thread progresses.

If we can keep it going long enough maybe Major Hasan can get hooked up to the Net and join the discussion.


M

[edit on 20-11-2009 by mmiichael]

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Much of the War in Iraq and in the Sinai before that was to erase archeological evidence and the Habiru are very much the Hebrew there G-ds were unnamed and added into treaties throughout the region that they must be respected even without a name. They functioned very much like the do today and in Diaspora as mercenaries, artisans, merchants of slaves, weapons and jewels and gold, political advisors and pirates. They always inserted themselves into communities as seperate but equal people and often gained total power through the process. Of course just like today they were only interested in their own wealth and power as a seperate people and cared not for the people they ruled over when they gained power, which led to those people eventually rebelling against their heavy handed and self serving rule. The pattern hasn't changed in thousands of years Michael. The Habiru are the Hebrew and many scholars do in fact accept it even though Zionist Scholars argue against it.

Erasing the Habiru legacy is a key task of Zionist Archeologists why do you think the first thing that fell in Baghdad was the Museum, why do you think Syria is a closed society, why do you think Egypt is paid billions of dollars each year.

And yes as I have said even the Zionist must abide by Rome's wishes.

Sorry Michael it's a bit part the Zionists and Habiru play I keep telling you it's not all about them! I know you want them to be the center of Universe but that's Rome not Jerusalem.

Most of history has been distorted, obscured and rewritten for reasons and purposes of control and propogating these religious control cult fictions on the masses.

I tell you what if I am wrong get your G-d to stop by my house and inform me to the contrary please let him know he will have a lot of explaining to do for the state the planet is in, and that I will have some very harsh words for him. Oh and remind him I have a temper!

I can't believe Rome actually tricked over half the planet to fight over this nonsense!

And you think I am good at weaving a tale!

Laugh out loud Michael to any of the people in these religious control cults even fathom what you are in all fact fighting over and about.

You do know it's absolutely insane don't you? You do know that's why the founding Zionists just like the Founding Fathers of America were not religious men.

Most of Europes Jewery was in fact spared especially from the nations the Habiru went to in Diaspora. The Habiru were pirates in fact they were the vikings and used terrorism to as Vikings to rob and plunder and get pagans to convert to Christianity to pray to end their scourge. The House of Dan which is Rothschild was from Denmark.

The Jews that Theodoric converted in Eastern Europe after giving up his reign as the last Jewish King of Babylon/Baghdad weren't Habiru but played the religious fiction role.

The Western Northern Europeans from the House of Dan and the low countries are the Habiru and the 12 tribes they wanted back in Israel, the Nazis waited weeks on the beach in places like Denmark so the true ethnic Jews could be evacuated and exterminated the non ethnic Jews in the East that really weren't wanted in Israel because they had no Hapiri Blood.

It's not my fault they didn't want to go back. Their elders should have never loaned Rome the money or signed the Contract what can I say!

Don't blame history on me just because I know it and see it and know it for what it is and what really happened and won't buy all these 'random event' fairy tales when all roads do in fact lead to Rome.

The Muslims, Christians and Jews are all duped, and there is not one legitimate reason for any of you to hate one another or be fighting one another. You are all human beings just all suffering under a slightly different illusion of how you got here and what your purpose here is.

If you want to exploit the tragedy of Ft. Hood exploit it to move forward not round and round in the same circles that causes such tragedies to begin with.

Those who live by the sword die by the sword. It's called Karma and at some point humans need to stop the karmic wheel by learning to get along and forgive one another, and stop looking for reasons to hate one another.

You do understand most of the people to this thread are advocating widening hostilities based on generalizations even though when those generalizations hit their own cult they cry about being stereo typed and held accountable in mass.

Do unto others Michael...not only do humans not pay attention to what goes on around them they can't even learn simple lessons!

Amazing!




[edit on 20/11/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]