At Least 7 Dead, 12 Wounded in Shooting at Ft. Hood in Texas

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
reply to post by blueorder

 

If a muslim is angry and is angry that his wife died while buying a dress at the local market because of a u.s. missile, or his kids are born deformed because of DU or White Phosphorus or is angry because of america's foreign policy everyone will call him a religious extremist.

That was my point, it has to be religion, it can't be anything else.

I can only speak as me, and not some hypothetical muslim in Iraq- I cannot see how this story can be classed as religious terrorism as there is no connection to furthering Christianity, Judaism etc

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
reply to post by blueorder

 

If a muslim is angry and is angry that his wife died while buying a dress at the local market because of a u.s. missile, or his kids are born deformed because of DU or White Phosphorus or is angry because of america's foreign policy everyone will call him a religious extremist.

That was my point, it has to be religion, it can't be anything else.

Still not an excuse to retaliate with murder. Justice does not come in the form of an eye for an eye but rather the US court system.

Originally posted by JJay55
Still not an excuse to retaliate with murder. Justice does not come in the form of an eye for an eye but rather the US court system.

Never said it was an excuse
But the real cause for an attack should be spoken
not what you've been preaching for the last 71 pages.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by JJay55
Still not an excuse to retaliate with murder. Justice does not come in the form of an eye for an eye but rather the US court system.

Never said it was an excuse
But the real cause for an attack should be spoken
not what you've been preaching for the last 71 pages.

So you are saying because a woman in Iraq was poisoned by the West that should be spoken?
ok.
Back on topic, the US government is well aware of the motivation of the shooter and the public can have whatever opinion they like. Still we will be faced with more attacks like this and it's best to be prepared and know what to look for. Don't make excuses, don't be afraid to offend if you speak out. Look for the signs and let someone know.

[edit on 16-11-2009 by JJay55]

For those who don't think Islamic terrorism is dangerous:
"NEW DELHI, Nov 16 (Reuters) - India has put its nuclear power plants under alert and tightened security around them after intelligence about possible attacks, a report said on Monday.

The step comes after a man arrested in the United States on charges of plotting attacks in India was found to have travelled to Indian states that have nuclear installations."
www.reuters.com...

reply to post by JJay55


JJay I really wonder what part of the "Home of the land of the free and the brave" do you have such a problem with.

Why on earth would I want to go around fearing Islam, and Muslims?

I sleep with my doors unlocked at night and routinely peddle through neighborhoods on my bicycle that are deemed 'not safe' because of high street crime incidences.

Why would I be afraid? I haven't done anything to harm anyone, and I have absolutely no reason to live my life in fear, or go around telling other people they should be scared of this and that.

It's just that old, don't jump in the swimming pool until an hour after you have eaten something.

Do I keep my eyes open out on the street, and exercize common sense in awareness to my surroundings?

Yeah I sure do, but I don't make a career out of talking about it!

I honestly think the Muslims have a lot more to worry about in regards to us here in America and political attitudes that are highly biased and prejudicial than we have to worry about them.

It's un-American to be afraid, to not view all people as equal, and to persecute anyone of a religious persuasion.

But judging by who is on your friends list I would say the likelihood of you yourself actually being an American are slim to none.

You should read about America's past and it's spirit and it's real principles and learn why real Americans reject the idea of living in fear or persecuting others based on fear. Liberty, equality and justice for all. Not just the people JJay likes.

www.adnkronos.com...
"Rome, 16 Nov. (AKI) - Libya's controversial leader Muammar Gaddafi has created headlines in Italy after inviting 200 women to a party and inviting them to convert to Islam. Gaddafi who is in Rome for the United Nations-sponsored global food summit, held the party at the house of the Libyan ambassador, Hafed Gaddur, on Sunday.
"Convert to Islam. Jesus was sent to the Jews, not for you. Mohammed, on the other hand, was sent for all human beings," he reportedly said.

"Whoever goes in a different direction than Mohammed is wrong. God's religion is Islam and whomever follows a different one, in the end, will lose," said Gaddafi quoted by Italian daily La Stampa.
After arriving an hour late, Gaddafi began distributing gifts to the women, who were reportedly all Italian."

Seems many of the leaders of Islam are boldly calling up muslims to participate in violence, conversion, and a series of other Islamic practices. Be aware!!! 2010 is a target date on the schedule of the Caliphate.

reply to post by JJay55


Uh, no, there was absolutely no call to violence in that.

It's not different than Bush getting on TV and trash-talking various Middle-Eastern countries for totally unjustified reasons.

Church and state are supposed to be completely separated here in the US, but that doesn't mean all other countries are entitled to that same privilege. Nor does THAT mean we should go invade them all.

reply to post by bsbray11

The "invasion" myth. Oh boy. There is no way we would be in the Middle East with the expressed written concent of the Saudis.
Yeah, it's all Americas fault, we cause Islamic terrorism. Just keep thinking that.

Originally posted by JJay55
reply to post by bsbray11

 

The "invasion" myth. Oh boy. There is no way we would be in the Middle East with the expressed written concent of the Saudis.
Yeah, it's all Americas fault, we cause Islamic terrorism. Just keep thinking that.

Yes because clearly, America has never done anything in that area of the world that would make people over there hate us to the point of extreme violence. We have done nothing over there to cause death, destruction, or harm to anyone over in the ME. Wars you say? Why those wars are like episodes of the cartoon GI Joe, where no one gets hurt at the end of the day.

Yep..good ol America, spreading peace for decades...I can't understand why people hate our freedoms

[edit on 16-11-2009 by illuminatislave]

Originally posted by dzonatas

Originally posted by nenothtu (since no other religion recognizes "jihad")

Put the word into the right context for other religions, which means in other languages. For example, 'jihad' might be translated as kamikaze & banzai in its essence of loyalty and honor to samurai code. The main offset is when taliban member is seen more militant rather than a traditional religious student, which departure from the traditions and into militant code is the reported way of north of Iran. The civil wars that Iran had almost 2 decades ago show the scars of such departure.

When such actions are really comparable to militant code, it probably is better said to be the same as fascism rather than traditional religious jihad. This is not always easy to distinguish if one considers virtue neither religious nor militant, and such virtue is probably what the samurai tried to hang onto before fascism destroyed them.

It is nice someone here has this correct IMO.
I was wanting to say to neno that I thought he used jihad to freely.
You may think it a stretch but Marxism is no better. It manufactured likely the worlds most notorious European terrorists.
The major is a big boy and hopefully the water will level with justice for all.
America has a chance to regain some of it's credibility if the legal system works better than it did in the 911 and OJ matter.

Originally posted by illuminatislave

Originally posted by JJay55
reply to post by bsbray11

 

The "invasion" myth. Oh boy. There is no way we would be in the Middle East with the expressed written concent of the Saudis.
Yeah, it's all Americas fault, we cause Islamic terrorism. Just keep thinking that.

Yes because clearly, America has never done anything in that area of the world that would make people over there hate us to the point of extreme violence. We have done nothing over there to cause death, destruction, or harm to anyone over in the ME. Wars you say? Why those wars are like episodes of the cartoon GI Joe, where no one gets hurt at the end of the day.

Yep..good ol America, spreading peace for decades...I can't understand why people hate our freedoms

[edit on 16-11-2009 by illuminatislave]

Just trying to understand what you are saying here . Can I ask for some clarity? thanks

reply to post by JJay55


There is absolutely nothing here that is related to your tirade against Muammar.
What you post is blatant crap IMO. Show the members where he promotes violence. You cannot do it.
Ba. Hate mongering at it's worst!!!!!! You know nothing of Us and it's relationship with Lybia.
You are WRONG.

You say
"Seems many of the leaders of Islam are boldly calling up Muslims to participate in violence, conversion, and a series of other Islamic practices. Be aware!!! 2010 is a target date on the schedule of the Caliphate."

Are you so confused you would equate the Major with Muammar?

dp

[edit on 16-11-2009 by Donny 4 million]

Originally posted by illuminatislave

Originally posted by JJay55
reply to post by bsbray11

 

The "invasion" myth. Oh boy. There is no way we would be in the Middle East with the expressed written concent of the Saudis.
Yeah, it's all Americas fault, we cause Islamic terrorism. Just keep thinking that.

Yes because clearly, America has never done anything in that area of the world that would make people over there hate us to the point of extreme violence. We have done nothing over there to cause death, destruction, or harm to anyone over in the ME. Wars you say? Why those wars are like episodes of the cartoon GI Joe, where no one gets hurt at the end of the day.

Yep..good ol America, spreading peace for decades...I can't understand why people hate our freedoms

[edit on 16-11-2009 by illuminatislave]

Blame America. America is evil. Muslims couldn't possibly be blowing up *SNIP* in Bali, Africa, Pakistan, or elsewhere, eh?
Crikey. Evil America. Anti-America.
whatever.

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[edit on 16-11-2009 by burdman30ott6]

Originally posted by Donny 4 million


[edit on 16-11-2009 by illuminatislave]

Just trying to understand what you are saying here . Can I ask for some clarity? thanks

sarcasm

Originally posted by Donny 4 million
reply to post by JJay55

 

There is absolutely nothing here that is related to your tirade against Muammar.
What you post is blatant crap IMO. Show the members where he promotes violence. You cannot do it.
Ba. Hate mongering at it's worst!!!!!! You know nothing of Us and it's relationship with Lybia.
You are WRONG.

You say
"Seems many of the leaders of Islam are boldly calling up Muslims to participate in violence, conversion, and a series of other Islamic practices. Be aware!!! 2010 is a target date on the schedule of the Caliphate."

Are you so confused you would equate the Major with Muammar?

The connection is Islam. 57 OIC countries teaching 1.6 billion muslims to hate America.
Libya's Muammar plans to be king of Africa when the Caliphate reforms. As for shooters like Ft Hood, there will be more just like him with the help of the leadership like Muammar. Islam does not recognize the borders that we do in the West. Islam is one.

Originally posted by JJay55
For those who don't think Islamic terrorism is dangerous:
"NEW DELHI, Nov 16 (Reuters) - India has put its nuclear power plants under alert and tightened security around them after intelligence about possible attacks, a report said on Monday.

The step comes after a man arrested in the United States on charges of plotting attacks in India was found to have travelled to Indian states that have nuclear installations."
www.reuters.com...

This is not about Fort Hood. This is not about the Major.
This entire post is about your blind hateful obsession with Islam.

Originally posted by Donny 4 million

Originally posted by JJay55
For those who don't think Islamic terrorism is dangerous:
"NEW DELHI, Nov 16 (Reuters) - India has put its nuclear power plants under alert and tightened security around them after intelligence about possible attacks, a report said on Monday.

The step comes after a man arrested in the United States on charges of plotting attacks in India was found to have travelled to Indian states that have nuclear installations."
www.reuters.com...

This is not about Fort Hood. This is not about the Major.
This entire post is about your blind hateful obsession with Islam.

Again, I don't hate Islam or anyone.
Islam is violent. Proven over and over.

reply to post by JJay55


JJ,

You are correct, except...

That only occurs in civilized countries with civilized people.

Someone who does like what's happening and goes on a killing spree is uncivilized.