Something strange in the book of Enoch- 'The Watchers'? The secrets presrved in heaven....

Sorry about the typo should say "would" use.

jjkenobi
But it did say they came into them.

4.There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
I think this is talking about having "sex" :-)

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Plug: This is great, thank you. Maybe you can find other references to small-g gods?

Michael Heiser is the best on this that I know.

www.thedivinecouncil.com..., This explains who they are.

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A possible answer to your original question is found here:
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Great Post Hammer
I believe what Michael Heiser does about these guys. Because the "sons of God" released knowledge to man, man started worshipping them. They released knowledge to the Sumerians, the first civilization known to mankind. I believe these guys are running things from behind the curtain.
The higher you go in the Governments of the world the more corrupt it gets.

Ive believed alot of things with all my being before, only to proved an arrogant fool. One thing I will offer to this thread though, is this:

-look at every animal, from the smallest, to the largest. Compare every little creature to every great creature, and after you have done that, compare them all to man! Ponder on this, curious ats'ers, lol lol

edit:i just read my post and realized i sounded like a robot advert or something, i meant like what exactly could of made man into the randomly smart powerful thing he is today?? Natural evolution?, mabie, but ,... i dont know... for every ocean of myth there's always a grain of truth.

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The book of "Enoch" is a strange book in as it seems to be a living book that told the past and is a prophetical book as it seems to be telling the future. For some, it is a long stretch to think that "spiritual" beings could come down and have sex with the women on earth. Gen. 6th chapter seems to tell the same story as the 6th chapter of Enoch.
It starts out saying when God or Yahweh comes back, the "Watchers" will quake. I hope this is true.

I joined ATS because it has information about UFOs, Aliens, conspiracies, ect... When studying UFOs I found they just diappear into another dimension while jets where chasing them. Aliens would walk through walls, drag folks out of their bed into ships, have sex with the women and steal their fetus. This seems to be the very thing that was happening in Gen. 6.
Folks will believe an Alien can drag you through a wall but a Fallen Angel could not do this. Angels have free will just like we do. One third of the Angels in heaven fell with Satan.
The bible also says in Ephesians 6:12, For your conflict is not only with flesh and blood, but also with the angels, and with powers, with the rulers of this world of darkness, and with the evil spirits under the heavens. Apparently we will have problems with angels, powers, rulers of this world, and with evil spirits. Could these beings be the same? Let's just think about it.
1. Aliens like sex, apparently the "sons of God" did too.

2. Aliens are spiritual beings that walk through walls and disappear, "sons of God" or angels do the same. Aliens appear in a bright light, angels do too.

3. Aliens live in the heavens and apparently in the the ground and underwater, angels do too. Although not necessarily good ones.

4. "The Book of Enoch" says these "Watchers" released knowledge to humans, Aliens did also at Roswell. We back engineered the craft and got lasers, cordless drills, microwave, computer chips, infrared glasses, pulse beams according to Col. Corso.(The Day Afer Roswell)

5. Sumerians got their knowledge from the "sons of God", or Annuaki's in which I believe were the same. Beings with wings seems to be the same as what we have been taught to be angels.

6. Aliens can fly, apparently angels can too.

These are a few similarities that are the same, you probly have more similarities. I was taught that if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck. What do you think?

Ephesians said, angels, powers, rulers of this world, and evil spirits are in conflict with us. The higher you go in our government and other countries the more corrupt it gets. Do I need to say any more?

7. Our government rules you through FEAR, So do the Aliens, or (Fallen)angels, or Watchers, or Rulers, whatever you want to call them, they are still rule the same.

So before you send me off to the looney farm, you need to think a little. There could be a whole lot of truth in this. If it is true, we are in for a rude awakening. We should know pretty soon. These Annuaki or Watchers, (fallen) angels will soon annouce themselves to be your god soon. Don't be decieved.

It's been awhile since I read the Book Of Enoch. One of the verses that stood out to me was Enoch LXXXII 7. And the account thereof is accurate and the recorded reckoning thereof exact; for the luminaries, and months and festivals, and years and days, has Uriel shown and revealed to me, to whom the Lord of the whole creation of the world hath subjected the host of heaven. 8. And he has power over night and day in the heaven to cause the light to give light to men--sun, moon, and stars, and all the powers of the heaven which revolve in their circular chariots. 9. And these are the orders of the stars, which set in their places, and in their seasons and festivals and months.

If we assume heavens=space
# The sky or universe as seen from the earth; the firmament. Often used in the plural.
# Christianity.

1. often Heaven The abode of God, the angels, and the souls of those who are granted salvation.
2. An eternal state of communion with God; everlasting bliss.

# Any of the places in or beyond the sky conceived of as domains of divine beings in various religions.
#

And we know Angel means messenger of God then armed with this knowledge we can read verses like this through new eyes Revelation11:12Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, "Come up here." " And they went up to heaven in a cloud,, while their enemies looked on.

1 Kings 8:12 (New International Version)

12 Then Solomon said, "The LORD has said that he would dwell in a dark cloud


Exodus 24:18 (New International Version)

18 Then Moses entered the cloud as he went on up the mountain. And he stayed on the mountain forty days and forty nights.

There are many other verses where clouds are used as transportation.
It just makes me wonder if people thousands of years ago were trying to describe something other than what we think of as a cloud today.

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I think you make an excellent point that bears much consideration .
John

ha-nachash "The Shiny One"
The Hebrew term "nachash" can mean serpent, but it can also mean "shiny one". This is the word used for Satan in Genesis.

I would like to point out that Mayan Quetzalcoatl is often referred to as The Feathered Serpent and was connected to the planet Venus. He was also the patron god of the Aztec priesthood, of learning and knowledge” The Egyptian “Atum” is also a Serpent God, that symbolized resurrection. The bible and all these stories give us symbols and signs of what we can become - if we seek a “divine knowldege”

I believe these "sons of God" that God put over us in Duet. 32 are the same ones that are here now and also are what some would call Reptilians. I know this is a long stretch, and I have never seen one myself but I believe they have been here since "God" laid the foundations of the earth. Hense they have knowledge that we don't and are far more advanced than us. I believe the greys are just biological entities that do the work for the Reptilians or "sons of God" (fallen angels, watchers, aliens, ETs, whatever you want to call them).

I found another scripture today in Corinthians 8:5
For though there are those that are called gods, whether in heaven or earth, just as there are many gods and many lords.

I would like to say coming from a Christian background, the church many times when it talks of gods, they like to say it is an idol. In this case I believe it is clear that there are other gods on the earth or in the earth) and also in heaven as it clearly states. We're not talking about statues here. We are not just talking about one God here either, because it says many gods.

Like Michael Heiser, I find it strange that someone could carve a god out of wood and then turn around and say, You made me, I worship You. These gods were around and apparently still are here on earth, and in heaven. Folks worshipped them and made idols so that they would be noticed by these gods. I believe these gods traded out technology just like they do today.

I believe our government chooses at this point to not talk about them because they are more advanced than us and we can not stop them from pretty much doing what they want to do. Larry King had a show that spoke specifically on UFOs cutting our nuclear missles off. You decide, www.youtube.com...

I believe there is a war going on in the heavens and if it were not for"God" and his good Angels, We would have already been destroyed. Probably that war is soon coming. There is evidence that there has already been nuclear wars of some sort in the past. Many places have sand that was turned to glass from heat and are still radioactive today. www.lewrockwell.com... You decide again what is truth.

Originally posted by TheStev

Originally posted by jinx880101
If God's angels are holy & perfect

Love the story of Enoch, I've read it a number of times and have also written a feature screenplay based on the tale. Glad to see others find the story interesting too, hopefully my screenplay will sell one day and you can all buy a ticket to the movie!

But I wonder what gives you the idea that angels are perfect? Certainly they are holy, as are all of God's creations, but if Lucifer and the other beings biblically considered as demons were once angels who rebelled against God, then surely angels are capable of going against God and therefore not perfect.

Thoughts?

I'm not sure they were 'perfect' as you can view the arrival of the fallen angels as either:
Beings fleeing God.
Exiled from somewhere.
Freely independently moving around but decided to dwell on earth to observe.

My take on the Watchers of Enoch...
I personally feel that the 'fallen angels' were trying to make mans life better than it was by telling them 'You can do this and this to make things easier' etc.
Bringing technology and educating them on the stars and making harnessing natural energy.
While this was happening the leaders of men, pleased with what the Watchers were doing would of offered them gifts of their own, girls, women and even, some say, their own daughters.
There are suggestions that Watchers may of seduced mortal women as well too.

The whole giant thing is puzzling. I think this was more to do with genetic experimentation and factions arising within the Watchers.
While the Book of Enochs (BOE) tale of giants begotten by women is a fanciful one I think this was an assumption of the either the Watchers offspring being experimented upon or ordinary children being tampered with. The connection that sex with the Watchers resulted in their children being mighty giants as they aged is therefore mis-interpreted imo.
Indeed it could be argued that if there were racial differences and genetic imbalances that have children at all by these Watchers could be impossible...

A power struggle would of ensured as time went by and the in-fighting would of broken out. With the factions all presumably having similar technology and tactics this would of been likely to result in a bloody stalemate.
A fair few of the Watchers would of either risen to command countries or lands and had their own followers. With the giants at their sides they would of fought one-another and the giants consuming flesh and beasts would of prompted the higher powers above to act against them.
In our 'conventional' history books we can see a similar story of stalemate warfare with forces of similar tactics and weaponry.
War of the Roses dragged on for decades.
The Japanese Civil war in the late 15th - to early 17th century raged for a long time. All sides had a similar mindset, tactics and leadership there too.

While I like the Book of Enoch I feel it's is only one side of the story and biased.
I get the impression that while the 'secrets of heaven' were being shared out among mankind it was possibly tolerated but when things got a bit more heavy and violent that was when they crossed a line in the sand.
If you read the Greek legends and mythology there are several parrallels.
Prometheus stole fire from the gods to give to mankind and was punished for it.
The olympian gods were well known for seducing men and women, punishing mortals yet rewarding others with high-technology. A lucky few mortals even ascend up to live with the gods.
Sumerian legends (if connected with Enochs Watchers) could be interpreted that Ishtar / Ianna was a female Watcher but worshipped as a fertility / goddess in Babylon. Later she became known as Aphrodite among the Greeks...

I agree a screenplay would be a cool thing if it was a good one to do the BOE justice...

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Did you know that the Law of Moses actually demands that Israel should sacrifice to Azazel? Leviticus 16:8ff discribes how lotts shall be tossed one for God and one for Azazel uppon which goat is to be killed (God's goat) and which one should be set free (Azazel's goat). However most bibles have found it to be a little over the top, so they have felt free to translate Azazel into skapegoat or similar words, in the same traditions of calling Lilith screechowl etc. Look it up an a Hebrew bible.

As far as I remember Azazel taught Tubalkain (means Spearhead) how to make weapons and tactics of war, since he regretted he had been among the angels who made giants and monsters with the humans.

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When I was a child I helped a wounded being, a grey / blue (I never knew there were varying grey types until recently looking up on youtube and these were like grey / blue hybrids), it was in the wooded area behind my house where I was playing...a very old wood in Scotland with trees more than 500 years old and on a mound, there was a fence all round these woods and was supposedly forbidden, the town there is also MOD, just a bit of background on the situation.

Anyhow, it was mid 70's and the town's siren went off, which we were told was to alert the local firemen to their jobs, and as I walked up the mound there it was the wounded grey / blue, it was telepathic and didn't need to talk, there were men running on the path below and I sensed it was scared and they were after it, I led it to my den in the woods to hide and sang over it's moaning sounds so they wouldn't hear and they asked me if I seen anything funny, I said no and they went, in hindsight possibly MOD men, I didn't recognise them.


I gestured a leaf to pad the wound on the grey / blue and it made me aware it was scared and viewed the gesture as a threat, I let it know it wasn't a threat and used my hand on the wound, I sensed a great bond then, that the grey / blue knew I was helping and with good intention. I seen there was 'goo' like a transparent, slightly greyish gel fluid on the board in the den from the wound.

After that the craft appeared, light beam etc , I felt it was the wounded grey / blues parents and I was abducted which is another story.

After this and I was brought to earth again I eventually told my dad that night and he had heard of something from the towns people and made me take him to my den as I said there was alien goo there.

We both touched it and after a while my dad contacted someone, possibly MOD and a man asked me a lot of questions and took the goo with fervour, it seemed to be of great importance.

I became greatly intellectual at a very young age after that, becoming very interested and studying lots of religions, sciences, creating complex formulas, reading mein campf at 12 as a psychological analysis of hitler and all sorts of things that weren't the norm for my age, I attribute this to either the abduction, the bond with the grey / blue (I have been helped in many situations since), or touching the goo, possibly all of these.

I have had my blood disappear from my body regularly since this and often feel like I have been deliberately drained and for various reason from being hospital, broken arm for example that the nhs are aware of this and even when my blood cound was 4 wouldn't give me a transfusion.

I think the angels / aliens are so powerful that contact in all forms are very powerful and I believe the gov / controlers are aware of this and have used it for their own gain and misused this most precious of gifts from the angels / aliens and this abuse of power and truth in its most absolute and true form is the reason for the current conflict and the reason those enlightened feel uneasy about their controllers and their untruthful ways.

Like the bible says we must all seek the truth, even scientific study is about seeking the truth, the truth is imperitive for every being of every sort and if these aliens / angels have the ability for even their presence to bring truth then that is something to behold in esteem.

The bible is so full of fascinating truths.

there could be a star wars going on between what some people would call angels and demons but i think the are aliens both controlling us. i think that we are an experiment divided into factions of good and evil. some countries are controlled by good forces maybe or by evil forces most likely evil that is why we have the Illuminati wrapped around the world. ww3 is coming but hopefully alien Jesus no offense to Christians will return like predicted in a ufo or something to that effect with the good 'watchers' if there are any left.peace and good luck in the 2 years to come

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These guys gave us radio and nuclear science, taught us astronomy and how to extract metals and further back, how to make fire. And there the circle is completed. Smacking rocks together, that's what it's all about really....

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yes.. this as been a LONG time questioning in my mind for a few years; perhaps for 5+ actually. It started when I was in Barnes & Nobel and a book 'caught' my eye sort-to-speak.

As you said b4, I couldn't put it down, I 'needed' to get to the end. After I got to the end, sitting in the chair, I began to weep, not cry, but weep. I got up and had to find a corner something fast to hide my face..

Finding a spot nearby, I buried my face, in a corner and after 10 mins or so, wiping rivers of tears from my cheeks, a single question posed to me directly..

"Why are you crying so from what you just read?"

My answer took a couple of weeks to answer.. but, my reaction was the same as it is sometimes when God wants to make a point when reading the holy scriptures..

It was divine love which I realized I felt.. after reading the book..

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Hey, our Abbas are still here, why cry? The seventy generations are up and done with, and many of the victims of God's judgement have regained entrance to the Heavenly courts. Azazeel, lives in God's view, and soon we will learn more names have been washed clean in Jochannan and Jesjuah. Don't worry, little dragon, our ways are just, remember Jesjuah likened himself with the copper serpent, so our king is also a dragon, he fears noone, and he weeps uppon us, leaving scars and further troubles, atleast it's something, hey.....? Best we can do is changing moods where hostility reigns. So pick up you cane and walk in by at your side

Originally posted by jinx880101
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The soul and all the beliefs attached to it, according to which the soul is immortal by nature or forsees that it can obtain immortality as I have taught you -- this will be laughed at and thought nonsense. And believe me, it will be considered a capital crime to give onself to the religion of the mind. A new justice will be created and new laws. Nothing holy, nothing pious, nothing worthy of heaven and of the gods who dwell there, will be any more spoken of nor will find credence in the soul.

That was a beautiful read! Thank you. Where did you find that and who wrote it?

This was from Professor Francis A Yates
Giordano Bruno and the Hermetic Tradition
University of Chicago Press

It is a 14th century? translation of an ancient Greek document called The Asclepius by an Italian named Ficino

The original author was Thot, AKA Hermes Trismegistus, the High priest of Egypt, this passage was him speaking to his son, and telling his son what shall occur in the future..

Francis Yates translated this passage from Ficino... there is a previous translation of Ficino that was bastardized, altered, and re-tooled to make them into what was later called Satanism via Blavatsky and some intelligence agencies et al. The materials were demonized so that Christians would never look at the originals... and see, that Christianity was, in fact something else, much older, and completely different.. it was the religion of ancient Egypt... I suspect this is why parts of the Vatican Library are closed. Images of Hermes Trismegistus appear on the walls of the Borgias room in the Vatican, with him standing NEXT to Moses.

I Believe The old Egyptian religion became the core belief of the Masons... and our countries founders...who were Deists, kept this secret to avoid Giordano Brunos fate...Bruno was also a Deist. The day of the Boston Tea Party the logbook of the Masonic Temple in Boston reads : Not enough members present for a quorum

Giordano Bruno's sect the Giordanistas... may have become the Rosecrucians.. after Bruno was burned at the stake by the Inquisition.

I cannot recommend Francis Yates book more highly... well there is another I might recommend... but for other reasons.. Guiseppie Mazzini by DENIS MACK SMITH

The data might give those readers willing to slog through the dense writing including the footnotes.... greater courage to walk in truth.. if one walks in truth one can walk through anything in the valley of the shadow of death.

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