Apollo 12's Covert EVA , Are E.T.'s the reason for the Secrecy ?

The Apollo 12 spacecraft reportedly landed on the Moon November 19, 1969 in a area known as 'Ocean of Storms' and the official NASA record about the mission indicates two EVA's (Extra Vehicular Activity) were conducted, totaling about 8 hours of the mission. Astronauts Pete Conrad and Alan Bean performed just over one day and seven hours of lunar activity but there is at least one undeclared activity that most people have never heard about called a "stand up EVA". the main purpose for this stand up EVA is to collect information about the Lunar Modules specific location and to photograph the Moons landscape. what the Astronauts do during this activity is open up a hatch that is located on the top of the Lunar Module and then climb up threw it and look outside which gives them a much better view of their surroundings. this type of EVA was conducted on another missions and declared (Apollo 15) but after nearly fourty years , no official mention of this secret EVA was ever made by NASA, although as you will see when you read this article that i have linked you to, a recently published NASA document from 2006 does indeed include direct references to this third EVA conducted during the Apollo 12 mission.

after carefully studying this investigative report you will see that this secret EVA activity did in fact occur but you were never told about it. you must ask yourself why would NASA not want you to know about this part of the mission and since photographs were most likely taken , where are those photos and just what are they hiding ? obviously they didn't want you to know about this or see the photos and in my opinion there are only two possible explanations for them to have covered this up. either the missing images would expose other images as fakes or the missing images might reveal some UFO's , E.T. spacecraft or Luna structures. read this report and tell me what you think is the reason why we have been lied to for the last 40 years ?

Now, Conrad and Bean did conduct two moonwalks during the Apollo 12 mission - this much is indeed true. However, during this second declared lunar landing, shortly after touch-down, the two astronauts also carried out another clandestine EVA outside their lunar module Intrepid - an EVA that we, the general public, were never told anything about.

Why did the Apollo 12 crew have to conduct an extra EVA during their mission to Statio Cognitium, and what tasks were accomplished during this covert journey outside the pressurized security of the Lunar Module? How did NASA erase the existence of this event from the mission flight plan? Why was this particular EVA classified Top Secret, thus resulting in any mention of it being omitted from the “official” Apollo 12 historical record for nearly 40 years?

CONFIRMING THE OCCURRENCE OF AN UNDECLARED EVA DURING APOLLO 12
This following paragraph is from a NASA document published in September, 2006 entitled “THE APOLLO EXPERIENCE - LESSONS LEARNED FOR CONSTELLATION LUNAR DUST MANAGEMENT” (NASA/TP-2006-213726). This recent document, as the title suggests, discusses lunar dust management issues experienced during the Apollo program that should be recognized in order to aid in preparation for future missions to the Moon. In the section on page 9 entitled “Surface Obscuration During Descent - Observations”, we discover this little gem of truth.

(click here to read the report)
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This clip is from an old (1970s) NASA video called Apollo 12 - Pinpoint For Science.







Possible UFO's in Photo AS12-48-7100
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The famous UFO Photo AS12-49-7319
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I downloaded the lunar surface journal timeline book here:

www.hq.nasa.gov...

It doesn't look like there's much room in the schedule for a 3rd separate EVA. If they told me that they modified the first EVA to climb out the top of the LM first to have a look around for a few minutes from a good vantage point, then proceeded with the rest of EVA1 as scheduled, that would seem believable.

But I don't see when they could have performed a completely separate 3rd EVA with cabin depressurization, repressurization, and all that.

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quite a dilemma isn't it ?

it clearly say's the EVA did happen and your correct, it causes problems with the "official" timeline but even if they secretly modified EVA1(which i doubt) , i don't think this standup EVA was done in a few minutes (probably more than 20 or 30 minutes or more). either way it's still not listed anywhere nor do the transcripts reflect any of that because they were probably communicating on the private non- public radio channel.

that means we have been told lies by NASA for over 40 yrs. !


i'm sure during this secret EVA they took photos and possibly video footage as well that we have never seen. they obviously have hidden this for a reason , the question is ---> why ?


maybe there were ufo's there and they didn't want anyone to see the pictures or the video ? if Apollo 11 encountered ufo's on the Moon as rumored, then it's certainly possible there could have been a repeat performance with Apollo 12 ?

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the other option is

photos taken from high up on the LM would or could have made it a difficult task for the 'image correction specialists' to correctly match them to photos that were altered or tampered with and taken at ground level. much easier to just hide them.


since this was more a Military operation, i wonder if this was kept a secret because they didn't want other countries like Russia to see what was really on the Moon or did they do it just to hide it from the average citizens ?

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since we have been lied to about this secret covert EVA , the explanation for Tv camera failure incident becomes highly questionable.



i think they did it on purpose to hide whatever was there on the Moon

Since we are the only country to have had free access to the lunar surface during the peak of the Cold War, that the opportunity for military exploitation was overlooked is highly unlikely. I'm sure that plenty of defense-related gadgetry was left behind, the installation of which and documentation thereof was and perhaps remains secret. And that does not bother me in the least, having lived through that period.

I am not sure if you mean that just the Apollo 12 SEVA was secret, or if you think that the SEVA was a secret during all the missions. It is possible that taking photos was not one of the planned tasks during the Apollo 12 mission, but you can find a SEVA transcript and photos from Apollo 15 at "Apollo Lunar Surface Journal".

Here you can read a transcript (with added comments from the astronauts) about the SEVA:

history.nasa.gov...

This is one of the photos taken during the Apollo 15 SEVA, image ID is AS15-85-11357:
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More Apollo 15 SEVA photos here, magazine 85/LL:

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thanks ziggystar60 !

i did mention in the Op about other missions...

this type of EVA was conducted on another mission (Apollo 15) and declared

and LunaCognita also covered that in the article...

During the Apollo 15 mission in 1971, astronauts Dave Scott and Jim Irwin also conducted a Standup-EVA atop their Lunar Module shortly after touchdown at Hadley Rille, just as the Apollo 12 crew had done at Statio Cognitium. However, unlike the Apollo 12 S-EVA which was conducted covertly, the Apollo 15 S-EVA was a part of that mission’s official publicized flight plan, and therefore was conducted as part of the public record. Here are a couple quotes from Apollo 15 Commander Dave Scott made in the years after his mission that are related to this declared S-EVA he and Irwin conducted.

Apollo 15 Commander Dave Scott, when asked if the view was considerably better during the S-EVA than it was from just the LM +Z windows.
Scott - "Oh, yeah. Oh, without a doubt. The windows are very restrictive. And the SEVA, boy that was a rush. To be able to stand there and just look at all that stuff. I mean, that was just a mindblower to be able to just stand up there and gaze around and report what you saw, knowing full well that the Lee Silvers and the Gordon Swanns and the guys in the Backroom [the “Astrogeology” team] are listening to every word."

Apollo 15 Commander Dave Scott, when asked why his Apollo 15 mission was the only one to (officially) conduct a Standup-EVA on the lunar surface.
Dave Scott - "I don't know, but it was easy to do and I thought we got a lot of benefit out of it."

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thanks for posting that about Apollo 15 , i was going to eventually but had not gotton to it yet so you saved me the work.

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Originally posted by easynow
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quite a dilemma isn't it ?

it clearly say's the EVA did happen and your correct, it causes problems with the "official" timeline but even if they secretly modified EVA1(which i doubt) , i don't think this standup EVA was done in a few minutes (probably more than 20 or 30 minutes or more).

According to the lunar surface journal timeline book, EVAs 1 and 2 were scheduled for 3 hours and 30 minutes each, which totals 7 hours. But they spent 7 hours and 45 minutes on the surface according to this source:

www.thespaceplace.com...

they had tripled the existing record for lunar surface activity, spending 7 hours and 45 minutes on the lunar surface

And the video you posted in the OP confirms that EVA went 20 minutes over schedule as the last words are they left the lunar surface at 3 hours and 50 minutes, so it seems that maybe both EVAs went over schedule by the 20 minutes you estimated it would take for the standup EVA.

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
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And the video you posted in the OP confirms that EVA went 20 minutes over schedule as the last words are they left the lunar surface at 3 hours and 50 minutes, so it seems that maybe both EVAs went over schedule by the 20 minutes you estimated it would take for the standup EVA.

Hello Arbitrageur,
As the author of the article that Easynow is presenting here, I figured I would take a crack at responding to you, though I confess I am not exactly sure what you are getting at here. The Standup-EVA that was covertly conducted on Apollo 12 was carried out before the first lunar surface EVA, so the duration of the two declared surface EVAs you are talking about does not matter here. That has nothing to do with this at all.

The Standup-EVA, as covered in the article, was carried out covertly and accounted for in the timeline PRIOR to the declared surface EVAs. The surface EVA “stopwatch” did not start until the forward +Z egress hatch was cracked, and the covert S-EVA (using the topside +X hatch) was already completed well before then. The article also tells you when they conducted the Stand-EVA, and there is even a link so you can even listen to the 18 minute and 43 second dead-air “hard blackout” that occurred on the public audio channel when Conrad and Bean were conducting the covert S-EVA using the “private radio loop”.

So again, the declared lunar surface EVA timeline for Apollo 12 has nothing to do with this at all. The covert SEVA was carried out and accounted for (if you consider nearly 19 minutes of dead air being "accounted for") well before the two declared surface EVAs.

Cheers,
LunaCognita

Cool catch, and imaginative 'reconstruction'. Very entertaining.

Not encouraging for the "lessons learned" process, but NASA has never figured out to learn lessons from other people, or even from its own earlier generations. I wrote a chapter on that problem in my 2001 book, "Star-Crossed Orbits" -- the people writing the lessons learned documents are sincere but apparently unable to put them into forms useful to succeeding generations of space workers. Even when they actually get the facts right.

May I ask if you are the real Jim Oberg, who works for NASA? Because he is a disinfo agent for NASA imo. No offense on that.

The Apollo moon landings were faked in the western deserts, likely Arizona. Also, Apollo 1 fire and Apollo 13 were sabotaged by NASA, as well as the Hubble and both Space Shuttles that exploded. Apollo 13 never even went near the moon. The Hubble's mirrors were sabotaged not to reveal evidence of the grays on the near side of the moon. I have much more information I wish to share, including about 9-11 which was done by American secret govt. using remote control.

As well, the explosion of the Vangaurd rocket in 1957 was due to sabotage by Americans to make space travel look difficult. In fact, they had landed on the moon already more than once, on Mars in 1953.

Originally posted by JamesBondLovesLucy
The Apollo moon landings were faked in the western deserts, likely Arizona. Also, Apollo 1 fire and Apollo 13 were sabotaged by NASA, as well as the Hubble and both Space Shuttles that exploded. Apollo 13 never even went near the moon. The Hubble's mirrors were sabotaged not to reveal evidence of the grays on the near side of the moon. I have much more information I wish to share, including about 9-11 which was done by American secret govt. using remote control.

Can't wait

The Russians landed on the moon several times also in the fifties, after US started to. The US first landed on the moon in October, 1952 I believe, under Truman's presidency.

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Thank you I appreciate it. I will return later with more information I believe I have, and believe the US govt has classified it at about 26 levels above top secret (the grays).

Originally posted by nomadros

Can't wait

Thank you I appreciate it. I will return later with more information I believe I have, and believe the US govt has classified it at about 26 levels above top secret (the grays).

I would add also that the main reason JFK was assassinated was b/c he wanted to go public about these things in his term.
The Bay of Pigs fiasco, where the govt had not intended to help the rebels at all, was a secondary reason.

I have messaged UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon about this, although the UN is a biased organization.

Originally posted by LunaCognita

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
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And the video you posted in the OP confirms that EVA went 20 minutes over schedule as the last words are they left the lunar surface at 3 hours and 50 minutes, so it seems that maybe both EVAs went over schedule by the 20 minutes you estimated it would take for the standup EVA.

Hello Arbitrageur,
As the author of the article that Easynow is presenting here, I figured I would take a crack at responding to you, though I confess I am not exactly sure what you are getting at here. The Standup-EVA that was covertly conducted on Apollo 12 was carried out before the first lunar surface EVA, so the duration of the two declared surface EVAs you are talking about does not matter here. That has nothing to do with this at all.

Thanks for the reply LunaCognita, it's nice to hear from the source.

Well I was getting at 2 questions really so I'll ask them more specifically. In your theory would there have been a separate cabin depressurization and repressurization cycle? The reason I was trying to guess an unpublished EVA might be immediately prior to EVA1 is to avoid a need for such a cycle.

And then my second question you partially answered by saying the standup EVA preceeded EVA1 (which would be the only time that would make sense if the purpose was to assess the area from a good perspective before the official EVA). But do you have a more specific time estimate of when you think it took place? (in the mission timeline which I reproduced here from touchdown to EVA1):

www.hq.nasa.gov...
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That shows touchdown at 110:31 and EVA1 starting at around 114:45 so somewhere between those two times obviously, but do you know when? If it coincides with the audio recording having nearly 19 minutes of dead air and we knew when that 19 minutes occurred, then that would place the event within the mission timeline, but I don't know exactly when that 19 minutes of dead air occurred.

So basically what I'm after just to get started on understanding this, is to figure out where exactly this fits into the mission timeline.

Thanks.

Hi Arbitrageur, (sorry, I couldnt repost your questions as I am only allowed 4000 characters max per post).

The 18-minute and 43-second “hard blackout” in the timeline where there is no contact with MCC Houston over the public channel began at 111:40:00, so in the flight plan timeline you posted, that means the covert S-EVA was conducted when the timeline says the astronauts were supposed to be “describing and photographing the lunar surface through the windows”. The fact is that Conrad and Bean were describing the scene doing during this period, but they were doing it from atop the LM covertly over the “private radio loop”! Notice how the official timeline you posted says that between 111:40:00 and 112:00:00, the astronauts were supposed to be talking with Houston over the public channel, describing the view through the +Z windows? If you check the actual mission transcript timeline, you see that during that 20 minute period of time (111:40:00 to 112:00:00), there is 18 minutes and 43 seconds straight of nothing but DEAD AIR on the public radio loop!

As the official transcript shows, the Apollo 12 crew did not begin to provide their description of the Statio Cognitium site over the public radio loop with Houston until AFTER this nearly 19-minute dead-air blackout period. The official public record description of the landing site from Pete Conrad begins starting at 112:01:44 in the timeline. It was during the earlier black-out period when Conrad and Bean were actually covertly conducting the S-EVA, communicating over the “private radio loop” - which is why the public channel audio and official transcripts record nothing but dead-air during that period.

So, not only do we have an official NASA document from 2006 blatantly admitting that this S-EVA did occur, you can see that there is a massive hole in the audio transcripts with nothing but dead-air over the public loop at precisely the time that, according to the timeline, the astronauts were supposed to be describing the view to the world over the public channel.

As for your other question about the repress/depress requirements. Well, there are two possibilities. The astronauts obviously had to depress the LM when they did the S-EVA, and from a “consumables” perspective you are dead on, it would definitely have made the most sense to not bother with a re-pressurization of the LM and instead, keep the LM depressurized, close the +X top hatch, don the PLSS packs (which could be done without repressing the LM cabin) and then crack the +Z forward hatch and egress down to the surface.

The other option would be to re-pressurize the LM after the S-EVA and just act like they had not done it, going through the site description through the windows, the PLSS donning procedures for the surface EVA, and everything else they claimed to be doing before the declared moonwalk. Personally, I am of the firm belief that the first option - that which has the astronauts beginning their first moonwalk shortly after ending the S-EVA without repressurizing the LM first, is what they did. This of course would mean that Conrad and Bean were on the lunar surface well before the public thought they were, and yes, that would mean that the timeline and audio transcripts were further manipulated. I say that I believe this to be the case simply because of other incidents from other missions that point to these kinds of “tape-delay” games being played that allowed the astronauts onto the surface early, while the public still thought they were in the LM. I don’t expect anyone to believe that just because I say it, as I am the first one to admit that I have not publicly presented any of the other evidence that is out there related to timeline manipulation from other missions at all yet to demonstrate and better explain how they did this. That is my opinion however.

Hope this helps answer your questions my friend,
Cheers,
LunaCognita

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Wow! Thanks for the detailed and informative reply.

I'm going to look into this some more and your additional information helps a lot.