WAR: English Words and Western Voices Heard on Nick Berg Beheading Video

In the first page of this thread was a still from the video, showing the back of a guy's head.

Was his hair close cropped? Like a 'high and tight'? And was the back of the guys neck white?

Sorry, the pictures aren't up on the first page anymore.

peace

Originally posted by McGotti]

Your "relative" that is a supposed news anchor has a boss just like most of us and if his boss says not to touch that story then he has to keep his mouth shut or hes lookin for a new job...[or maybe he maybe the next to be beheaded]

First off, not "supposed" news anchor. My "relative" is a very real major network news anchor. (this is not mega-patriot that you are talking to)

And NO, I will not reveal his identity. I like my anonimity here. You are just going to have to believe me on this one.

If not someone like him to pursue the story, then there are all sorts of other credible journalists all over the world who would love to break this story.

I highly doubt this audio theory. Being able to verify the audio without the original source is highly improbable.

Originally posted by Leveller

Originally posted by Ocelot

Exactly! There's the USS Liberty Incident, The Lavon Affair.

A bit more complicated than making a video though, wouldn't you say? They are also examples that occured before Mossad became the force it is today.
I think it's utterly ridiculous to accuse the CIA of this crime based on the evidence in hand. Suggesting it is one thing, but stating it as fact is entirely another.

Logic seems to have flown totally out of the window in the rush to pin the blame.


Let's just look at it this way shall we?

I'm a CIA agent and I'm going to execute one of my own compatriots. Don't you think I would take every single precaution to make sure that the video couldn't be traced back to me? As an agent of the CIA, I've got some of the best training available to any secret service in the world (maybe Mossad comes close). I am aware of all the media technology that my video will be exposed to. I am aware of all the professional analysists and video tape experts that are out there - hell, ain't there even some of those guys at Langley?

So what do I do? I make a grainy video of an execution that is open to it's authenticity being questioned. I leave my ring on to make me look Western. I use a chair that we've seen in US military prisons. I use the ubiquitous jumpsuit for my victim. I speak English in the video.

Yeah right. If I were CIA I'd do that.
Not.

If you were a CIA agent you wouldnt do that. And I agree that it seems kinda silly that a CIA operative would make such mistakes. This reasononing does not work to discredit the video, however. The idea that the video is a psy-ops operates on the idea that whoever made the video did leave traces behind, whether they likely should have known how to avoid them or not.

Example of why this reasoning doesnt work:
Let's say you are a staunch UFO/ET skeptic. You cannot fathom the idea that extraterrestrial intelligent life is visiting planet Earth. One day you are out alone on a hike when a flying saucer comes down and you are abducted. You wake up and remember some of what happened. You say to yourself, however, "I didn't get abducted because UFOs aren't real, and ET's don't haven't come to Earth," and then list off to yourself all the evidence against ET visitation. YOu count it as a hallucination or something and continue on your way.

This is a bit off the topic...but did anyone else suddenly have a problem accessing the site? *gets paranoid*

It happens every now and then, DarkBlade. Nothing to worry about.

Originally posted by Facefirst


First off, not "supposed" news anchor. My "relative" is a very real major network news anchor. (this is not mega-patriot that you are talking to)

And NO, I will not reveal his identity. I like my anonimity here. You are just going to have to believe me on this one.

Man im not gonna believe a damn word you say unless you come with some proof.....

It just so happens that I have a relative that is a high ranking general in the army and he happened to say that this was u.s. involved propaganda....youll just have to trust me on that one, ok?

(that last part i made up as you made up your news anchor b.s.)



[Edited on 19-5-2004 by McGotti]

Originally posted by Darkblade71
This is a bit off the topic...but did anyone else suddenly have a problem accessing the site? *gets paranoid*

Yeah it happened to me too. It was weird.

Maybe too much traffic at the same time?

Yeah, but no reason to get paranoid. Even the better servers need to be rebooted once in a while.

I think ATS have a pretty good up-time compared to others websites tho.

FaceFirst, this is the same audio that the govt verified Al-Zarqawi's voice on. Why isn't it good enough for your relative to even investigate and run a story either prooving it right or wrong. Any real journalist would want to uncover the truth whether or not it agrees with majority opinion.

I think Nick Berg was sacraficed by operatives working for the U.S.
I thought this before I heard the audio .
The Intelligence Services have no problem murdering innocents if it helps them with their propaganda.

Originally posted by McGotti
It just so happens that I have a relative that is a high ranking general in the army and he happened to say that this was u.s. involved propaganda....youll just have to trust on that one, ok?

(that last part i made up as you made up your news anchor b.s.)

LMAO!! Im sorry but I just had to laugh at that!

Great Stuff McGotti. Im not saying I dont believe you Facefirst but that was just too funny not to laugh at it.

Originally posted by m0rbid
I think ATS have a pretty good up-time compared to others websites tho.

Most definitely. ATS/BTS rarely goes down. And the few times it has it comes back really quickly.

LOL Thanks. I always get a bit freaked when something like this gets discussed....
big brother ya know....

*looks around*

Some of the accusations are rather serious, and I hope that people are wrong. Anyways, I think I will go scout out some other posts...lol

*runs away*

what program are you guys using to slow down the audio? sorry, novice audio analyst here

I cant make out anything on the real time mp3 from what I can tell it could be a voodoo priest with a mask on. I can barely make out what berg says at the beginning, of course this notebook aint the greatest thing to listen to anything on...

Originally posted by Valhall
For a full MP3 audio version of the beheading video: CLICK HERE to download (AUDIO-ONLY full-version MP3 file of the beheading). (File-size: 936 KB)

Instructions for hearing the voices:
Open the file in any appropriate media player for playing MP3 files. Slide the audio control over to approximately 5:10, or about the last 5% of the audio track. Now begin listening with the sound turned up as far as you can tolerate, or with a decent pair of headphones.

At 5:12 you'll clearly hear the following english statement in what certainly appears to be an American voice:
"How wicked was that?" (pause) "Huh?"

Then you'll hear another short pause, followed by:
"How are we gonna..." and the audio ends in mid-sentence.

After you have listened a few times at regular speed, select the slow play speed and re-listen. This is a shocking development found in the original, unmodified Nick Berg beheading video.

[Edited on 19-5-2004 by SkepticOverlord]

that's how i did it, but I had the original video saved, so I didn't use the link.

Originally posted by namehere

Originally posted by watcheroftheskiesi dont....im just able to see the possibilty of this likely being one of there facades due to the timing and the fact that the israel +u.s ties are so strong and this is all being manipulated from as far back as the balfour declaration....im only looking at it from one point of view ....????

yea, you are, youre assuming one possibility, you sure havent considered other possibilities in your posts and flamed mefor stating i thought other things could explain this, heres another possibility, this video couldve been recorded over something with english in it and it bled through into this recording, its fairly common this could occur.

on the same hand you are unable to concede or even for a second think that it is possibly done by the cia/mossad........i have at least considered the oppisite but my intuition and most evidence is pointing the other way.....
therefore you are one of three things.....
1. a spook or plant
2. an ardent supporter of the war and the old u.s. can do nothing wrong crowd
3. i just love george bush so much i cant see us doing anything like this.....

yeah .....the terrorists decided theyd use that old video of bill and teds most excellent adventure and that part just happened to be on the tape where they cut off nicks head.....LMAO

[Edited on 19-5-2004 by watcheroftheskies]

Originally posted by McGotti
Man im not gonna believe a damn word you say unless you come with some proof.....

It just so happens that I have a relative that is a high ranking general in the army and he happened to say that this was u.s. involved propaganda....youll just have to trust me on that one, ok?

(that last part i made up as you made up your news anchor b.s.)
[Edited on 19-5-2004 by McGotti]

Choose what you want to believe. I have never lied on this or any board and am not about to start.

I have no reason to BS on a friggin' internet posting board. Why the hell would I make this up? My sense of self-worth is not so low that I need to make stuff up here and impress total strangers who have no direct bearing on my real life. Not worth my time at all my friend. I would rather tell the truth and enjoy the discussion here.

I am choosing to believe that this audio aspect of the tape is most likely hoaxed.

Again, choose what you want to believe as I really don't care about convincing you of the exsitance and validity of my personal life.

[Edited on 19-5-2004 by Facefirst]

Originally posted by worldwatcher
FaceFirst, this is the same audio that the govt verified Al-Zarqawi's voice on.

Where and what is your verification source for the validity of the audio being the UNTAMPERED original?

Originally posted by Facefirst

choose what you want to believe as I really don't care about convincing you of the exsitance and validity of my personal life.

Trust me..I dont care about you or your made up relatives....your the one who brought it up as if it had something to do with this discussion....

If you dont want to talk about something ...do us all a favor and dont bring it up in the first place because using a fake relative to help sway our opinion on the validity of the subject does nothing to help foreward this topic...




[Edited on 19-5-2004 by McGotti]

Originally posted by worldwatcher
FaceFirst, this is the same audio that the govt verified Al-Zarqawi's voice on. Why isn't it good enough for your relative to even investigate and run a story either prooving it right or wrong. Any real journalist would want to uncover the truth whether or not it agrees with majority opinion.

id answer that for you WW but it would open an incredibly large can of worms .....i think we can all take an educated guess though.....!