Alien Rights and Exopolitical Correctness.

I'll start by saying this is just meant as a thought provoking piece.

Lets assume that at some point in the future we have disclosure, and we have Alien visitors openly coming and going from earth.

What rights should be granted to these visitors?

- Will they have the right to own land?
- Will they have the right to engage in a for profit enterprise?
- Will they be eligible for health care above and beyond what is available to others?
- Will our entertainment media need to be censored as to take into account any offence that may be perceived by these visitors?

What laws need to be put into place to ensure that they receive these rights?

- Will they be required to use a passport while traveling between countries?
- Will they need to come through quarantine between countries/planets?
- What protection legislation will they fall under? (will we need specific, or possibly under hate crime?)
- Will we have authority to detain/imprison them?

What governing body would be responsible for enforcing these rights and laws?

- Under what authority will they be subject to taxation?
- Would we ever allow them to self regulate?


Just a few ideas I've been kicking around. Any input welcome.

I know its not the PC thing to say but those baby-eating-zombie-reptilians should be subject to tougher immigration laws than the ascended, golden-ray-ETs who bring sacred gifts and technology.

Of course you`ll have the PC-crowd calling for "equal rights for baby-eating lizards!" But they should have to prove themselves benign before being let in.


[edit on 30-10-2009 by Skyfloating]

reply to post by beta.services


Nice idea for a thread.
I think the answer to all your questions is depending on how much valuable technology or minerals are offered.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
But they should have to prove themselves benign before being let in.
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Would we be deciding this on a species by species basis? Or on an individual basis?

Maybe we could give each species a limited number of visitor permits and allow them to decide who they give them out too. Then we could assess their effects on society and prosperity and review that number accordingly?

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Sometimes I think of it like the pilgrims and the indians. But instead of shiny brass, they will give shiny tech, and the governments will hand everything over.

Oh how Geronimo and Chief Running Bear will laugh when all humans are relegated to reservations.

So I guess another topic here should be what checks need to be in place to ensure our government(s) do not hand over anything that belongs to the people.

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I think it's mighty nice of the ET's to let us live long enough, to decide what rights we will allow them to have. I hope whoever makes the decisions, will make the correct ones - or we wont be making any more wrong decisions.

Personally, I have no use for political correctness in most any form. It is, at its very best, a kind of lie in which we go out of our way to pretend to think and believe in a way that inside, we really don't. It goes beyond mere politeness and basic courtesy to create a false facade that stews contempt just beneath the surface.

It is entirely unhealthy.

Humanity is tribal and we tend to flock to those who agree with our views. Beyond geographical boundaries and pretty banners, that is the very foundation of nationalism.

Now, none of this is to say that we shouldn't strive to rise above some of these tendencies, dragged along for the ride since we crept out of our caves where we stoked little fires in fear of the darkness and unknown around us. Humanity probably will, someday, arrive in a place where the superficial, immaterial differences that divide it, will be cast aside. But to try and force this upon ourselves or our neighbors today is futile and more foments that aforementioned contempt than instilling any sense of oneness within our shared existence.

If someday an extraterrestrial race were to come and squat upon Earthly soil, we might initially be inclined to be the proper host... the humanitarian, so to speak, and offer shelter. But there would finally be a tipping point where that which is human and Earthly would find that familiarity factor again... and our hospitality strained to the point of some very un-pc behavior.

(Deep breath!)

Cheers




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[edit on 30-10-2009 by redoubt]

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It all depends on millions of factors. There will always be generalities and exceptions. In general those who feed off human blood should not be let in as a species (with a few exceptions). Those species that share human values and do not threaten our survival can travel freely.

I suppose there are laws/principles that are universal and already in place throughout the galaxy. One of those being....respect all lifeforms and treat others as you wish to be treated. All species who observe those basics should not be a problem.

I dont mind letting some of them in because I believe there are thousands of other planets for us to go.

Originally posted by redoubt
Personally, I have no use for political correctness in most any form. It is, at its very best, a kind of lie in which we go out of our way to pretend to think and believe in a way that inside, we really don't. It goes beyond mere politeness and basic courtesy to create a false facade that stews contempt just beneath the surface.

It is entirely unhealthy.

I agree. I usually find Political Correctness to be more of an accepted form of racism. But what happens when we add speciesism to the mix?

All the notions of humanity uniting if we were presented with extraterrestrial presence seems like we are expected to replace racism with speciesism and everyone should be okay with that.

I don't think we as the inhabitants of this planet would de very well in dealing with another species at all. We already can't get along with each other and if you add another species in the mix I just don't know that we could deal with that.

If another species showed up next week the people of earth would hardly be in any position to dictate rules for visiting etc.....the alien species would most likely be telling us how it's going to be and there is not much we could do about it frankly. Not saying they are not going to be friendly or anything but we would be at a great disadvantage technology wise I would think.

Interesting thread to ponder. Thanks.

Do you think governments would grant immunity to all alien visitors for past crimes against humanity?

Do governments have the right or authority to grant immunity?

Would claims by abductees be handled as civil cases, or would they be tried at the hague?

Would each case be heard individually, or would we need to group everyone in some form of class action suit?

An Administrative agency would be put into place of course.

Perhaps a Czar.

If they are refugees, probably they would succumb to more benefits, but the outcome of their knowledge would of course be beneficial.

They would of course be able to coexist with our microorganisms, and if they couldn't they would be dead quickly.

Their not just mexicans walking over to america, these are beings from another planet, different DNA completely. If that.


We'd probably treat them as the blacks in earlier generations, with disregard, and hatred, and love.

(of course only the hatred would be recorded, and not acceptance)

Aliens, though, specifically, we probably would be worthless in health divisions, we can barely keep up with mutations, nonetheless a alternative life form!

I think most of the quesitons humanizes them, their not human, of course, and wouldn't be subject to human lifestyles.

Now I doubt it'd go accordingly to District 9, but it's a possibility.

We wouldn't tax them or do the rest of the sort.

We'd research, that's all we would do, we'd make a safe haven, and research from there.

What about all the "Illegal" aliens that come to this planet. What... are we going to deport them? How the hell can we do that when we can't even remember how it was we got to the moon!!!

You think we have a problem with immigration now... Just wait until we allow aliens from another planet/dimension to live here on this planet. I'm sure a lot of people are going to file a lawsuit then!!!

Originally posted by x2Strongx
What about all the "Illegal" aliens that come to this planet. What... are we going to deport them?

Would we possibly invite an interstellar peace keeping force to ensure that alien visitation is regulated?

Or do you think that a condition of humans being allowed to visit other worlds would mean we would need to employ an open border policy?

Originally posted by Republican08
I think most of the quesitons humanizes them, their not human, of course, and wouldn't be subject to human lifestyles.

Most of the questions that I have put forward are because I believe that one way or another people on earth are going to be expecting equal rights to any alien visitors.

Either they be restricted to what they can do on earth, or we will need to be given greater freedoms.

I dont think people will accept that an alien has the right to go to any country on earth at their own discretion, when we cant even go to a neighbouring country without a passport, vaccinations, and quarantine checks.

Any clever enough race would have known better in the first place about land rights. Asking for them politically is a bit too late, unless they have already done so many thousand years ago by planting their seed in the roots of our genetics.



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If an alien race came claiming ancestral heritage to land on earth do you really think any government would give it up?

Apart form the issue of abandonment of the land; there are plenty of tribal groups that are still fighting to reclaim land that they once owned/utilised.

Could we expect them to take up occupation of a country? Possibly Antarctica.

Whatever ET rights were agreed to on this planet should also include identical rights for humans on their planet. Perhaps it will be arbitrated as two way system.

Would we allow them to control transport too and from both planets or would we need to include technology sharing into the deal? Could they be trusted deciding who comes in and goes out? Would we be surrendering our rights or equality within an interstellar 'friendship' if we did? Thats a big can of worms right there.

IMHO, it's just as likely we will be discussing human rights within this friendship very quickly.

IRM

Originally posted by beta.services
I'll start by saying this is just meant as a thought provoking piece.

Lets assume that at some point in the future we have disclosure, and we have Alien visitors openly coming and going from earth.

What rights should be granted to these visitors?

- Will they have the right to own land?
- Will they have the right to engage in a for profit enterprise?
- Will they be eligible for health care above and beyond what is available to others?
- Will our entertainment media need to be censored as to take into account any offence that may be perceived by these visitors?

What laws need to be put into place to ensure that they receive these rights?

- Will they be required to use a passport while traveling between countries?
- Will they need to come through quarantine between countries/planets?
- What protection legislation will they fall under? (will we need specific, or possibly under hate crime?)
- Will we have authority to detain/imprison them?

What governing body would be responsible for enforcing these rights and laws?

- Under what authority will they be subject to taxation?
- Would we ever allow them to self regulate?


Just a few ideas I've been kicking around. Any input welcome.

If this was the case I would hope they are given the same rights on our planet that we would recieve on theirs.

[edit on 10/30/09 by Ophiuchus 13]

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If this is the case... maybe we can sue the E.T.'s for reparations!!!