Number of victims to unknown virus growing! State of emergency to be imposed in Ukraine?

eerily similar to Mexico.

Numerous local reports of mass deaths and infections, yet the government and WHO play down the independent reports. Then the pathogen rapidly spread across the Americas.

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yes me too but im sure theres a lot reading the information and believing some of the stuff that should not be there and is out of date thus confusing the situation even more

Not sure if this has been posted yet, sorry if it had. Ive been trying to keep up with the thread since page one, but I found it from a newspaper site from Ukraine.

postup.brama.com...

If you follow the links on the left they take you here. This might be worth taking a look at.

www.cupol.lviv.ua...

I can not read anything but threw google translate, but there seems be be a lot of information and even some stat tracking. Maybe someone who can understand it better will be willing to shift threw some of it. Here is the translated version.

1-11-09 17:22 In the Lviv region among the dead from the flu is a Russian citizen
In the Lviv region of influenza virus died on 29-year-old Russian citizen. It was reported by ...

1-11-09 17:19 to Lviv sealed shops and restaurants, where sales are without masks
From 2 November in Lviv region and SES workers will begin checking the markets, shops and schools in December ...

1-11-09 17:17 Dynamics of mortality in the Lviv region of influenza: October 31, morning - 13 people, evening - 19 people, 1 November, evening - 23 people
As of November 1 of 9.00 patients with influenza and acute in the Lviv region of 78,102 osbi (including e. ..

1-11-09 17:15 Lviv to ODS ill more than 16 thousand people
At 1 November in Lvov to acute viral infections raspiratorni ill 16 thousand 672 persons. Of these 7 ...

1-11-09 12:13 A influenza suspended conscription
MOD introduces quarantine in military units. In addition, temporarily stopped recruitment to the ranks of ...

1-11-09 12:10 to Lviv, more than 60 thousand patients with acute respiratory and flu
October 31 at 12.00 as the number of patients in the Lviv region is 62,963 (children under 14 - 32003, d. ..

1-11-09 12:07 In the Lviv region have died of influenza 23 people
At 09.00 November 1 in Lviv region, 23 people died, including two children under 14 years.

1-11-09 08:27 to Lviv over 400 law enforcement officers suffering flu
In Lviv virus infection in sick more than 400 police officers. As the head of al ...
1-11-09 08:25 Lviv to 15 thousand packages of "Tamiflu"
In Lviv continued critical lack of protective bandages and medicines in pharmacies. Empty even ...

1-11-09 08:23 epidemiologists obdzvonyty lvovyan advised to have a realistic picture of the epidemic
"We do not have true information about the epidemic. The best mode of telephone surveys demonstrate ...

1-11-09 08:22 Lviv to combat influenza received humanitarian aid from Poland
Yesterday, 31 October, to the Lviv Regional State Administration of the Republic of Poland received ...

1-11-09 08:20 sad statistics of the epidemic in Lviv region: 19 people died, 33rd resuscitation
On October 31 in Lviv Oblast ill ODS 69,176 people, including nearly 1500 people were hospitalized ...

31-10-09 16:24 In the Lviv region, a staff from the emergency epidemiological situation in Lviv region
Head of Lviv Regional State Administration Mykola Kmit signed on the establishment ...

31-10-09 16:22 Region requested 50 million USD to combat the epidemic of influenza
Head of Lviv Regional State Administration Mykola Kmit appealed to the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukrain

I cannot seem to get the google translate link to post, so just run

www.cupol.lviv.ua...

threw google translate (Ukrainian > English)

From ITAR-TASS...

Epidemic situation in Ukraine threatens national security, 53 people die of cold and flu

They are just saying "cold and flu" here. Not attributing it to H1N1 exclusively.

EDIT: removed MSM reference, it's clearly not, lol.

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Yes, I recall you posted on another thread about this dream you had, and I knew for sure that you posted it before this Ukraine event had become known. So I did some digging and I found your post, where you said:

I had a dream that 6 weeks from mid september there would be a catropshe. In my dream I was being chased by soldiers and there was a storm outside. It does not mean anything is going to happen but I feel an unsettling as if something is right around the corner; it may be weeks or years from now.

The actual post is here.

And yes -- six weeks from mid-September is the end of October.

Best regards,

Mike

To the Moderators: I have used "quote" codes because this excerpt is from within ATS rather than an external source (ie non-Ats). I hope this is okay.

4post.com.ua...

"Oops! This link appears to be broken." this was giving pretty regular updates on all of this and now it seems to be taken out..

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and yet somehow the cold and flu threaten national security

Originally posted by OpTiMuS_PrImE
reply to post by GypsK

 

yes i agree but these people need to be reasonable about the postings their out of control and i cant blame the residence i would also be refusing the vaccinations

People are well intentioned and just trying to make sense of all of this. Maybe people should post their source and where they heard their infomration so people can decide for themseleves.
You can't even trust reliable sources anymore; I know the cdc web site is very confusing.

Originally posted by JustMike
reply to post by dreamseeker

 

Yes, I recall you posted on another thread about this dream you had, and I knew for sure that you posted it before this Ukraine event had become known. So I did some digging and I found your post, where you said:

I had a dream that 6 weeks from mid september there would be a catropshe. In my dream I was being chased by soldiers and there was a storm outside. It does not mean anything is going to happen but I feel an unsettling as if something is right around the corner; it may be weeks or years from now.

The actual post is here.

And yes -- six weeks from mid-September is the end of October.

Best regards,

Mike

To the Moderators: I have used "quote" codes because this excerpt is from within ATS rather than an external source (ie non-Ats). I hope this is okay.

thank you for posting that. This is why I am avidly watching this post. Even though I was in this dream; it wasn't me; Michelle; I was someone else. I was seeing it through someone else's eyes. I often do that in my dreams.
I know in my dream I say old churches and budilings with no people inside them. I also remember no people on the streets.
I believe we are all connected and that if this happens in one area it has relevance for the rest of the world as well.
Who else has this very uneasy feeling?

Originally posted by dreamseeker

Originally posted by JustMike
reply to post by dreamseeker

 

Yes, I recall you posted on another thread about this dream you had, and I knew for sure that you posted it before this Ukraine event had become known. So I did some digging and I found your post, where you said:

I had a dream that 6 weeks from mid september there would be a catropshe. In my dream I was being chased by soldiers and there was a storm outside. It does not mean anything is going to happen but I feel an unsettling as if something is right around the corner; it may be weeks or years from now.

The actual post is here.

And yes -- six weeks from mid-September is the end of October.

Best regards,

Mike

To the Moderators: I have used "quote" codes because this excerpt is from within ATS rather than an external source (ie non-Ats). I hope this is okay.

thank you for posting that. This is why I am avidly watching this post. Even though I was in this dream; it wasn't me; Michelle; I was someone else. I was seeing it through someone else's eyes. I often do that in my dreams.
I know in my dream I say old churches and budilings with no people inside them. I also remember no people on the streets.
I believe we are all connected and that if this happens in one area it has relevance for the rest of the world as well.
Who else has this very uneasy feeling?

Old churches,all empty plus empty streets. Well its like that here, most churches here are old with water marks on them. Old soviet era building all connected to eachother with no gaps in them. Now the streets are all empty, eventhough did not visit the church, i bet they are empty too...

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@ Optimus Prime:
What else should we do than post the info we find? Wait?
As for the old info, maybe 10 links in the last 20 pages are older than a week, i´d guess. I don´t see your problem...
And your ranting is slightly offtopic

Afghanistan - Schools closed for three weeks - Virus obviously introduced by US soldiers

The Afghan government arranged the locking of all schools as caution measure against a propagation of the pig flu for three weeks.

coincidence?

Ukrainian president requests international help with flu epidemic

The Health Ministry said the 53 people had died from influenza or acute respiratory infections, but it was not clear how many of the deaths were related to the H1N1 virus. There was an outbreak of swine flu in western Ukraine in the middle of the week, but recent data only confirmed 13 cases and one death.

Love how Ria Novosti avoids the word swine in the capital...

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While doing some search about "plague" in french I found this rather disturbing news :

AFP source translated by googling It has translated plague by fever, beware.

I found just this one as english source about the (african) swine plague

Ukraine to block frontier with Russia because of plague? 16/10

Ukrainian frontier officials are tightening securities to prevent spreading of virus “African swine plague” in Ukraine in connection with outburst of disease in Russia, in particular, in the neighboring regions near Ukraine. Beginning from Friday frontier officials will control all transport facilities going from Russia to Ukraine at the checkpoints of Ukrainian-Russian frontier. Beginning from October 18 passing of transport facilities will be restricted through local checkpoints: all transport facilities except regular buses will be sent to the nearest checkpoints for international traffic to pass custom, veterinary and other kinds of control. All railway points will be checked also including spokesmen for the National veterinary medicine committee. Experts will tighten security in the frontier districts and settlements located near the national frontier to block traffic of wild and domestic animals, meat and meat produce smuggling, Ukrainian News reports.

I wasnt aware of any "swine plague" until now. Maybe this virus mutated with the swine flu virus ? Could be a possible lead and explain the pneumonia and bleeding. Makes senses.

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AFP?

Now, if they are reporting plague we should be concerned.

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Wow. I remember that the only refuge that was safe was an old church people would hide there. Now keep in mind this was just a dream but I feel I must come forth with what I remember because it may or may not help. I will try to recall more from the dream.
I can't really remember much else. Please be careful; and use reliable information that you believe will help you.
Every time I read your posts it is like I am seeing through your eyes breifly. You are a very brave soul. If you do leave make sure you take food, water and emergency supplies with you.

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I forgot to mention, that they were talking about the "swine plague". It is dated from 22/10.

Originally posted by piett
While doing some search about "plague" in french I found this rather disturbing news :

AFP source

I found just this one as english source about the (african) swine plague

Ukraine to block frontier with Russia because of plague? 16/10

Ukrainian frontier officials are tightening securities to prevent spreading of virus “African swine plague” in Ukraine in connection with outburst of disease in Russia, in particular, in the neighboring regions near Ukraine. Beginning from Friday frontier officials will control all transport facilities going from Russia to Ukraine at the checkpoints of Ukrainian-Russian frontier. Beginning from October 18 passing of transport facilities will be restricted through local checkpoints: all transport facilities except regular buses will be sent to the nearest checkpoints for international traffic to pass custom, veterinary and other kinds of control. All railway points will be checked also including spokesmen for the National veterinary medicine committee. Experts will tighten security in the frontier districts and settlements located near the national frontier to block traffic of wild and domestic animals, meat and meat produce smuggling, Ukrainian News reports.

I wasnt aware of any "swine plague" until now. Maybe this virus mutated with the swine flu virus ? Could be a possible lead and explain the pneumonia and bleeding. Makes senses.

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They say "African Swine". I pointed out earlier that Wikipedia states pneumonic plague cases originate from Africa 98% of the time. I don't if there is a connection or just a translating issue.

For sources, anyone can look this up on Wiki or go back to post to find the link.

African Swine Plague Definition

medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com...

swine pertaining to or emanating from swine (pigs, hogs). See also porcine. African swine fever see african swine fever. classical swine fever see classical swine fever. swine dysentery a contagious disease of young pigs caused by Brachyspirahyodysenteriae, characterized by severe porridge-like diarrhea, sometimes dysentery, dehydration and heavy morbidity and mortality rates. swine erysipelas see erysipelas. swine fever see classical swine fever; African swine fever. swine influenza a highly contagious upper respiratory disease of pigs caused by swine influenza virus and a concurrent infection with Haemophilus influenzae. Clinical signs include fever, stiffness, recumbency, labored breathing, sneezing, paroxysmal cough and nasal and ocular discharge. Called also ferkelgrippe. swine paramyxovirus see paramyxovirus encephalomyelitis. swine paratyphoid see salmonellosis. swine plague fibrinous pneumonia caused by Pasteurella multocida. May occur in outbreak form with a number of litters of young pigs being affected within a short time. swine vesicular disease is a highly infectious disease of pigs caused by an enterovirus related to human coxsackie B5 virus. It is clinically indistinguishable from foot-and-mouth disease in pigs. Vesicular lesions occur at the coronet, causing severe lameness, and in the mouth and on the snout. vesicular exanthema of swine see vesicular exanthema of swine.

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Originally posted by dreamseeker
reply to post by asen_y2k

 

Wow. I remember that the only refuge that was safe was an old church people would hide there. Now keep in mind this was just a dream but I feel I must come forth with what I remember because it may or may not help. I will try to recall more from the dream.
I can't really remember much else. Please be careful; and use reliable information that you believe will help you.
Every time I read your posts it is like I am seeing through your eyes breifly. You are a very brave soul. If you do leave make sure you take food, water and emergency supplies with you.

Please try to remember as much as you can...i believe in such things. Any information you can recall can be very helpful.

OK... now this is interesting. A new update to the number of cases, broken down by age and category from the Ukraine Ministry of Health. Updated today. It now has the two categories as Flu and ARI (I assume that stands for Acute Respiratory Infection???). It is interesting because the one I saw yesterday did NOT have an ARI column. This seems new.

And it has 60 dead. There are ALOT more numbers here now, including a column for those infected who were tested for flu. Given the extremely low flu numbers being shown, I can only assume that the huge numbers in the ARI column are there because flu has been ruled out...

Here is the link: Ukraine Ministry of Health numbers

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My French is rusty, but not so bad that I can't understand the opening sentence:

La peste porcine africaine, maladie mortelle pour les porcs mais non transmissible à l'homme

"The African swine plague, a fatal disease for pigs, but which cannot be transmitted to humans..."

(Plus the article is dated 22 October)