Number of victims to unknown virus growing! State of emergency to be imposed in Ukraine?

Originally posted by Trayen11
So, just a question. How serious should this be taken by people in Canada and the States? Or outside ukraine for that matter. Does it look like this more virulant strain has been trapped in ukraine?

Or how long would it take to know if it's outside the ukraine and on the move?

Ukraine borders with Poland. UK has a lot of economic migrants from Poland. UK and States have a lot of traffic. Canada and States presumably have traffic. It's a small world...

Originally posted by infinite
reply to post by asen_y2k

 

Government is suggesting it is, however, the WHO are investigating a potential mutation. Belarus is reporting similar outbreaks - Moldova too.

Damn all this border closure, quarantines for nothing....its has spread already...
I beleive it has mutated into a more 1918 flu type...

DP

[edit on 1/11/09 by asen_y2k]

reply to post by waterdoctor


Its not even confirmed that thousands of people has died. When looking at the Ukrainian news sites, its not getting much attention even from the people. No comments on the articles and so on. There should be lots of comments if they tried to bury this.

So I think, and hope, this is exaggerated.



[edit on 1-11-2009 by Copernicus]

DP

[edit on 1/11/09 by asen_y2k]

reply to post by asen_y2k


Hey Asen,

Nice to hear you're feeling a bit better. At least situation has calmed down from last night I hope?

Hope you and Former_USSR can provide us with some info what local news reports say.

Be safe!

Originally posted by infinite
reply to post by mkross1983

 

We have no evidence (yet) for this to be declared the plague. RussiaToday are suggesting a mutated Swine Flu - the worst case scenario.

No concrete evidence but we have symptoms listed and people at ground zero describing the situation so it's good to keep this in mind.

found this:

[UKRAINE]
After four deaths from the virus A (H1N1), the government had ordered the precautionary closure of all schools. The current panic is contributed by 40 deaths from pneumonia in the west of the country. The trigger for the lung inflammation remains an enigma, despite official denials, rumors hold that there is spreading pneumonic plague.

koeln.de (a local page of the town of cologne/germany)

[edit on 1-11-2009 by euleberlin]

reply to post by mkross1983


Hey Mike,

I'm glad to see you are recognizing the signs and symptoms. I spent 3 months posting daily on the swine flu thread, have researched H1N1 to death.

The biggest fear most of us had back in April, was that this WAS the 1918 Flu.
Pretty soon that was the fear among most of the health care workers in the States. As the virus began to spread rapidly several mutations took place.

Most of you are probably not aware that the H1N1 was mutating at a rate of 2-3 mutations every 3 days back in May-July.

Microbiologist had never seen a virus do this. They are still baffled. There was no way to make a vaccine with an efficacy rate that would benefit
anyone due to rapid mutation. Makes sense if you think about it.

Eventually, the H1N1 mutated to a less lethal strain than what we were seeing in Mexico.

However, it was also a known fact, that when the second wave of H1N1 hit, there was every possibility that the mutation would be extremely Lethal.

I don't know exactly what we are seeing in the Ukraine, but I do know this is a hemorrhagic virus with a mortality rate of 90% or higher.

I pray this is not the 1918 Flu or worse. If it is, millions are going to die.

Here is a list with links to hemorrhagic virus' if you are interested.

Thank you for your astute observations,

Pax

LInks:
Crimean Congo fever
www.cdc.gov...
Ebola
www.cdc.gov...
Hanta Pulmonary Syndrome
www.cdc.gov...
Hemorrhagic Fever with Renal syndrome
www.cdc.gov...
Lassa Fever
www.cdc.gov...
Marburg
www.cdc.gov...





[edit on 1-11-2009 by paxnatus]

Have to use google translator, but here's something:

translate.google.com...

Here's some interesting part with timestamps. They are talking about viral pneumonia.

17:03 In Ivano-Frankivsk region, 10 people have died from viral pneumonia. Told in the head Sunday at a briefing in Ivano-Frankivsk Regional State Administration Mykola Paliychuk.

16:45 in Ternopil number of calls ambulances has increased threefold.

16:14 The level of patients with ODS in Poltava today is 56.5 persons per 10 thousand population (at rate exceeding epidporohu at 56.7 persons per 10 thousand population).

15:59 The work of all metropolitan clinics continued three hours - from 18.00 to 21.00.

15:39 on October 31, Ternopil region recorded 29 528 cases of ARI and influenza. Children - 16 293 adults - 13 235 people. Over the same period in October 2008 the incidence of ARI and influenza has increased threefold. This was announced during a press conference, Deputy Head, Head of Regional State anti Commission Fedor Shevchuk.

15:15 Ivano-Frankivsk region, began to test new methods of treating patients with viral pneumonia.

Originally posted by Luppakorva
reply to post by asen_y2k

 

Hey Asen,

Nice to hear you're feeling a bit better. At least situation has calmed down from last night I hope?

Hope you and Former_USSR can provide us with some info what local news reports say.

Be safe!

Being a foreigner my Ukrainian is not so good. I can try to translate any video news if any ATSers post them but I cannot translate TV news as I don't have TV. For that I too am dependent on Former_USSR

I'm kind of leaning towards paxnatus' assessment...that this is more like the 1918 flu. I think we might be seeing just a more virulent mutation of the H1N1.

Question is....did it mutate on its own...or as a result of the vaccination?...or was it like the microbiologist tried to warn...that it was intentional?

And rumors are that the original H1N1 was bioengineered and then let loose from the lab on purpose....so....wow....

Well if this does turn out to be some kind of superbug transmissible via person to person, it has already been given the opportunity to go global.

International flights have been departing Lviv and Kiev all day, possibly taking with them infected persons.

If it really is as serious as some information posted within this thread suggested, then closing airports would have been a very logical step (at least according to my logic).
Shutting down a country may not completely prevent the outbreak spreading to other nations, but it would sure slow it down.

I can't help but think that there must be some element of propaganda at work here, perhaps capitalising on what appears to be a very real increase in sickness.

UK foreign office has the following travel advice regarding Ukraine;

On 29 October 2009, the Ukrainian Health Ministry announced an outbreak of the A (H1N1) (Swine Flu) virus in Ukraine. On 28 October 2009, the Health Ministry had announced that a number of deaths had occurred in the month of October in Western Ukraine following complications arising from flu or pneumonia. The Health Ministry has said it is unclear whether these deaths were linked to the A (H1N1) outbreak. The Health Ministry has said that it is planning to ‘impose quarantine’ throughout Ukraine. However, for the time being, we expect travellers will still be allowed to travel to and from Ukraine. You should continue to monitor this Travel Advice and the Ukrainian Health Ministry website (Ukrainian only) and take all necessary precautions.

Source

It is clear something bad is going down in Ukraine, we just need more confirmation as to exactly what, and how bad, it is.

reply to post by euleberlin


Wait?

In Germany too

It occurs to me that if it was the bacterial form of pneumonia affecting Ukrainians, then they would not be dying the way they are.

Autopsies of people who died in hospital showed the melted lungs symptoms. While in hospital they surely received antibiotics. Those did not work.

This suggests to me that it is more likely to be the viral form of pneumonia at work there. It looks to my non professional eyes like the flu (of whatever strain) and viral pneumonia have teamed up to give a 1 - 2 punch.

Here's hoping that the containment efforts work until more is confirmed.

reply to post by wayno


pneumonia was reported in Mexican cases too, but the WHO ignored the reports and along focused on flu-like symptoms.

Not forgetting we still dont know the relative incubation period for this virus, so it could already be spreading through Ports and Continental Europe by people outside Ukraine and we wont know until Friday at least the extent of its population spread.

reply to post by infinite


no (luckily), it´s just the first german news source i´ve seen that speaks the truth about this (happening in Ukraine, edited the quote). But i´m struck by that:

rumors hold that there is spreading pneumonic plague

Didn´t expect to see that on a local german news site.

[edit on 1-11-2009 by euleberlin]

Here's a temperature conversion for the lung temperature mentioned earlier in the thread.

"55 degrees Celsius = 131 degrees Fahrenheit"

"melted lungs" ... are there a lot of paint factories in the Ukraine OR are there a lot of people who are "paint sniffers"? Include paint thinners in these two questions.

Could swine flu effects be different for paint sniffers than for ordinary people who don't sniff? I ask because I "heard" that smokers are more resistant to Swine Flu.

Originally posted by ROBL240
Not forgetting we still dont know the relative incubation period for this virus, so it could already be spreading through Ports and Continental Europe by people outside Ukraine and we wont know until Friday at least the extent of its population spread.

And people were wondering why FEMA was ordering so many body bags and using parks to excavate mass grave areas.

What was the ratio of the 1918 Spanish flu? The Black plague did far more damage, but the numbers of population were lower on the planet then and there wasn't daily international travel. Today we can have a deadly sweep that only takes a few weeks which would overwhelm any emergency response system rather quickly.

N95 masks at Home Depot are about $5 and will keep out fine particles. I keep 2 in my car, a supply at home and in the office but still believe it takes an instant to transmit fine particles when it's least expected. I'm worried.