Did the USAF Help pull off 911?

reply to post by impressme

Because, I put that Troll on ignore months ago. I don’t believe in feeding the Trolls and if you continue with your attacks I will put you on ignore.

Gee. What a terrible thing to say about someone. I go away for a little while, and get insulted behind my back? Gosh, that hurts my feelings so much....

As to any allegations of ridicule directed at the OP...please re-read the title. Then, I suggest after calming down from your (rightly) anger and indignation at even the mere assertion of such a thing, you may decide that the OP has no merit, whatsoever. None. Zilch. It is merely inflammatory and extremely disrespectiful.

The levels that some of those other websites will sink to is continuing to be seen, as they become more desperate. IF that is where the idea for the OP came from initially.


Not only does it insult the USAF and all connected with the Service, it smacks of so many factual errors as to be nothing more than laughable, if it weren't so disgustingly absurd.

As to any allegations of ridicule directed at the OP...please re-read the title. Then, I suggest after calming down from your (rightly) anger and indignation at even the mere assertion of such a thing, you may decide that the OP has no merit, whatsoever. None. Zilch. It is merely inflammatory and extremely disrespectiful.

If so, he's far from alone....in terms of having no merit, being inflammatory and extremely disrespectful that is.

I don't know the OP but I will say this about him, for him to admit an error in a thread of this contentious nature tells me he is a person who has the guts to tell the truth even when it's tough to do it.

That gives him a lot more credibility in my opinion than anything I've seen in any of your posts.

Originally posted by users

70% of the threads...

Why dont you guys just keep on topic - eventually there will be a chance for you to argue in a battle discussion.

so sad...

reply to post by weedwhacker


I took you off ignore just to see what you wrote weedwhacker

As to any allegations of ridicule directed at the OP...please re-read the title. Then, I suggest after calming down from your (rightly) anger and indignation at even the mere assertion of such a thing, you may decide that the OP has no merit, whatsoever. None. Zilch. It is merely inflammatory and extremely disrespectiful.

First, ATS does not see any problems with my thread. Secondly instead of trolling in all the 911 threads acting as if you are the foremost authority on everything in aviations, which I might add you are not. I have a right to my own opinions just like you and everyone else, even if you don’t like them.

I don’t know what country you I live in but, I live in the United States. I was born in the United States; I work in the United States. I have a family, I pay taxes, I vote. So that certainly gives ME the right to ask questions of what my government is doing when I feel they are not being honest with us. You had better believe that I am angry and rightly so. Posters, like you who have spent years on ATS doing nothing more than defending our government and military as if they do no wrong and are not corrupt, or would never lie to the American people, and if you really believe, they don’t then YOU really live in a fantasy world of deep DENIAL.

FYI, I love my country and I support our military, I do not believe the entire military was or our entire government was involved in 911 I believe most are truly ignorant of the real facts but a handful do know the truth. Because, I am patriotic should I just bury my head in the sand and ignore the facts that a handful of people in our military and our government “may have pulled off a false flag operation” to wag a war of aggression and to gain control of oil rich nations. Plenty of circumstance evidences certainly support it.

If you haven’t read News articles’ of how Halliburton and Kellogg Brown & Root and other contractors rake in millions of dollars and the deep corruption that has been proven and the many court cases of abuse of briberies and the scandals of them, not for filling their contracts and ect…

SEC Charges KBR and Halliburton for FCPA Violations
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
2009-23
Washington, D.C., Feb. 11, 2009 — The Securities and Exchange Commission today announced settlements with KBR, Inc. and Halliburton Co. to resolve SEC charges that KBR subsidiary Kellogg Brown & Root LLC bribed Nigerian government officials over a 10-year period, in violation of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act (FCPA), in order to obtain construction contracts. The SEC also charged that KBR and Halliburton, KBR's former parent company, engaged in books and records violations and internal controls violations related to the bribery.

www.sec.gov...

No Day in Court For Halliburton Employee Raped by Co-Workers

agonist.org...

CHANGE: Kellog Brown And Root (”KBR”) And Halliburton Raided By FBI And IRS

guntotingliberal.com...

Kellogg Brown & Root LLC Pleads Guilty to Foreign Bribery Charges and Agrees to Pay $402 Million Criminal Fine

www.allamericanpatriots.com...

Let’s not forget the lies the pentagon told to the 911 commission

The 9/11 Commission Report:
A 571-Page Lie
By Dr. David Ray Griffin

www.serendipity.li...

911Commission’s Senior Counsel Claims We Were Lied To About NORAD Reposnse

www.dvorak.org...

The 9/11 Commission Rejects own Report as Based on Government Lies!

socioecohistory.wordpress.com...

Yet, reading all of your posts you defend these criminals and the Bush administrations from any wrong doings. These companies have strong connection to Dick Cheney who in my opinion was running the show on 911 and ran our country for eight years. We all know Dick Cheney was running the war games on the morning of 911. If you can disprove my allegation, then have at it, but you can’t, because we all know it is true.

The OS tell us that 19 hijackers, hijacked four airplanes and flew them around and over highly restricted airspace including flying over our nuclear power station, yet our military and the government has not answer to (we the people) to why these plane where not intercepted on 911. All we got from our military brass and the Bush administration was excuses and no investigation, and a cover-up and blocked inquiries nothing but stonewalling in everything. Investigators and the 911 commission admitted the Bush administration, pentagon was not forthcoming with any information, and that is a verifiable fact.

We know FAA destroyed the taps of the events that took place on the morning of 911.
We also know the FBI put a gag order on the FAA.

FAA Managers Destroyed 9/11 Tape
Recording Contained Accounts of Communications With Hijacked Planes

www.washingtonpost.com...

So, now we know FAA and NORAD are hiding something which opens the door to a conspiracy because, it is a conspiracy.

You may have a couple of terrorist who had a pilot license but it has already been proven the rest couldn’t fly their way out of paper bag. Yet you want everyone to believe all these alleged hijackers could crawl in to a Boeing 767 or 757 and fly those planes like military ace fighter pilots making g- force maneuvers that only the best in our military can do. Yet, these men could not take off or lands a Cessna 172 or Cessna 175 much less pass their written exams.

You can make all the excuses you want by protecting our military and the Bush administration from all wrongdoing, however if these people did commit “treason” on American soil they need to be held accountable for their actions and you by protecting them makes you just as guilty. Ignorance is no excuse. You can call me “inflammatory and extremely disrespectful” all you like, but it will not hide the truth.

reply to post by impressme

911Commission’s Senior Counsel Claims We Were Lied To About NORAD Reposnse

Ah yes, then you thoughtfully provide a link that talks about John Farmer's book. I am going to guess that you do not know what Mr Farmer himself has to say about the Commission Report...

JF- Well, let me just say that I think the report is, uh, extremely accurate, and- and sets forth the facts of 9/11. And we actually did point out in the report the discrepancies between the accounts that were given and what we actually found. But what’s different is, you know, in this account is, I think, by telling it structurally differently- in other words, in the Commission Report we told it flight by flight, as much for the sake of clarity as anything else, so you could understand with each flight what happened. That’s not the way it was lived, though, by the people who had to respond, and that’s what this book does- it tells the story, uh, almost from their perspective- when everything’s flying at them at once. And I think the value of that is that you can see that, uh, taken as a whole, you can see that the real enemy of preparedness is bureaucracy, and that’s tough nut to crack but I think it’s the one we have to, if we’re gonna be better in the future.

911reports.wordpress.com...

So you post a link where other people claim Mr Farmer says the report is garbage etc...and yet Mr Farmer states that the Report is "extremely accurate"

You also once again link to DRG's garbage....sad...


Just found this gem from Mr Farmer...

JF- Well, you know, I think, again, if you read the book as a whole, I think if there’s a villain in the book, other than Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, who are- we can never forget are the principal villains, but it’s- it’s bureaucracy itself. And I don’t think enough has been done to sort of ‘reinvent’ government, that was the term used in the 90’s, and it was a recognition that, you know, in the post cold-war period, the threats were likely to arise asymmetrically and there was a need to reconfigure government, and there were efforts being made but they didn’t go far enough and they were not effective, so, uh- the answer to your question, in my view, is I think a lot more needs to be done, and it has to be at a very, very fundamental level because bureaucracy is the enemy of preparedness- and if I were gonna state one conclusion from the book, that’s what it is.

Wow, he is saying exactly what Ive been saying about 9/11 for years....our elected leaders have created a bureaucracy over the last 30 plus years that bit us in the backside HARD on 9/11.



[edit on 1-12-2009 by Swampfox46_1999]

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999


What does your post have to do with disproving that a hand full of military experts and government officials where involved in a false flag operation? Beside you nick picking every word I write. I am sure the readers can make up their mind who is being dishonest.
Beside you always posting your negative opinions, do you have anything positive or useful to add to my post.

Here is two questions: how many of you think that handful of corrupt military pilots using remote controled airplanes, loyal to Dick Cheney and a handful of corrupt officials in the Bush administration planed and carried out 911 also using demolitions expert in our military to blow up the WTC and covered it up by using the FBI to hide and lie about all the evidences.

Question: how many of you believe the OS is true and what “conclusive scientific evidences” that has convince you that the OS is true, and please post sources and links to back your claim.

Why don’t you answer any of my question from my OP?





[edit on 1-12-2009 by impressme]

reply to post by impressme


I replied to your post...not your first one, but I did reply to your post and once again showed that you rely on misquotes and lies to try and advance your arugments. Sorry if that bothers you, of course, I could point out that part of your OP still makes no sense in relation to the title of the thread, but pretty sure, it still wouldnt faze you.

Originally posted by impressme

A hand full of military experts and government officials where involved in a false flag operation?

Prove it!!

Here is two questions: how many of you think that handful of corrupt military pilots using remote controled airplanes, loyal to Dick Cheney and a handful of corrupt officials in the Bush administration planed and carried out 911 also using demolitions expert in our military to blow up the WTC and covered it up by using the FBI to hide and lie about all the evidences.

Well, how many people believe this?? I have no idea. All I can say is:
Based on what I have read provided by you and other posters, by what I have seen here on ATS, on P4T, on Alex Jones, and many web sites, and my own experience in commercial aviation...

I DON´T BELIEVE IT FOR ONE SECOND!!!

Question: how many of you believe the OS is true and what “conclusive scientific evidences” that has convince you that the OS is true, and please post sources and links to back your claim.

Again. How many? NO IDEA. As far as WHAT HAS CONVINCED me and offer sources and links, I´ve done that already.
I will only say that I believe there may be inaccuracies and some people may have lied about the events on 9/11 but, let´s say that I believe the "basic" story of the OS to be true.
FINAL ANSWER...

[edited for spelling on 1-12-2009 by rush969]

[edit on 1-12-2009 by rush969]

I find it rather funny that these OS debunkers find me a threat by exposing them and the OS lies and they have tried every conceivable underhanded ploy to derail my thread, attack my character, ridicule every sources, and opinion I just love their “tag” team ploy that they are using to try to shut me up.

It’s not gonna happen.

Hey impressme, don't take things so seriously - step back from it and take a deep breath. Of course they're going to try and fluster and frustrate you - haven't you noticed by now how their little game is played? Everyone can see they avoid the serious questions and their answers have nothing to do with solid investigative work, because no solid investigation was done into 9/11.

Who knows? Like another thread mentions, they're probably getting paid by the word to stonewall any reasonable thought and discussion about the events surrounding that day. This may be a successful tactic in convincing the shmucks out there who cannot think for themselves, but most people who can smell the horse manure from a mile away, are not buying it.

Just as long as you're on the right side of the truth, I wouldn't worry about it too much. Keep it up! If nothing else, you are exposing their arrogance and diversionary tactics, which is about all they have going for them at this point.

[edit on 1-12-2009 by SphinxMontreal]

reply to post by rush969

Here is two questions: how many of you think that handful of corrupt military pilots using remote controled airplanes, loyal to Dick Cheney and a handful of corrupt officials in the Bush administration planed and carried out 911 also using demolitions expert in our military to blow up the WTC and covered it up by using the FBI to hide and lie about all the evidences.

Question: how many of you believe the OS is true and what “conclusive scientific evidences” that has convince you that the OS is true, and please post sources and links to back your claim.

In this debate Please lets leave out “opinions as your facts” If you have an opinion then please state it “as your opinion”. Lets be respectful to one another, lets keep this civil please.
Thank you.

Well, how many people believe this?? I have no idea. All I can say is:
Based on what I have read provided by you and other posters, by what I have seen here on ATS, on P4T, on Alex Jones, and many web sites, and my own experience in commercial aviation...

I DON´T BELIEVE IT FOR ONE SECOND!!!

Oh, now you are a pilot. Just stick to the gove.org websites and do as you are told and don’t questions government authority.

Again. How many? NO IDEA. As far as WHAT HAS CONVINCED me and offer sources and links, I´ve done that already.
I will only say that I believe there may be inaccuracies and some people may have lied about the events on 9/11 but, let´s say that I believe the "basic" story of the OS to be true.
FINAL ANSWER...

Really, so did I. Did you read all 15 pages of evidences that proves you are wrong?
No you didn’t you have been very busy with swampfox, weedwhacker, jerico65 playing tag team, ganging up on me.

*Am I such a threat to you guys?*

Now back to your answer to my question:

I DON´T BELIEVE IT FOR ONE SECOND!!!

Why don’t you state why you don’t believe it? Why don’t you show your credible evidences that proves the OS is ALL true .

I would like to see what made you an OS believer. Where is this evidence that really convinced you?
All I am trying to do is understand why you believe in such nonsense I have read the same material that you have read and I did not see any credible evidences to anything that would want to make me believe in the OS.
For me to believe the OS, I would have to become “ignorant,” or a GL and neither of the two is gonna happened.

reply to post by impressme


Here I will give you some examples of the "LOGIC" that has convinced me to believe in the O Story.
I took it all "FROM YOUR SOURCES".

"Dr. Bowman has inside knowledge of military protocol, and has stated that it is apparent to him"

"If a stand down order were given it probably would have"

"Here is proof that Cheney did give a stand down order to NOT to intercept a flight heading into the Pentagon"

(NOTE.- This is about the video were NOBODY mentions a "stand down order". But the order to shoot down hijacked airplanes IS MENTIONED!!!)

And the following are some of your statements:

"I believe 911 was a false flag operation and a hand full of corrupt Air Force officials and pilots loyal to Dick Cheney flew those planes into the WTC. I do not believe those planes were United or American airlines."

"That is why I believe NIST was hired because they are the “leading experts in nano Thermite and Thermate”, and they where hired to cover-up the bombing of the WTC"

"NIST sciences “does not” stand up to academic sciences."

Against this "logic" and analysis there´s not much I can add.

reply to post by rush969

Here I will give you some examples of the "LOGIC" that has convinced me to believe in the O Story.
I took it all "FROM YOUR SOURCES".

You clearly do not understand logic. If you had read the 911 Commission report, the FEMA report, and the NIST report, you would understand the discrepancies in logic found between these reports and what actually happened.

You never did answer my original questions so I am done discussing this issue with you. Game over.





[edit on 2-12-2009 by impressme]

Originally posted by impressme
The question was not asked by you and I don’t have to answer to you, and again Rush is quiet capable of handling his own and doesn’t need a die-hard OS lackey to back him up, does he. I will also stress this again, ganging up on a poster is against ATS T&C rules.

Actually, Rush, Weedwacker and myself have all asked the same question. I think someone before me asked it, too. So far, you haven't answered it for anyone. Avoid and deflect.

Originally posted by impressme
Your right, I can make copies of awards all day long to enforce my story.
You are not a pilot period.

Whatever, dude.

Here is two questions: how many of you think that handful of corrupt military pilots using remote controled airplanes, loyal to Dick Cheney and a handful of corrupt officials in the Bush administration planed and carried out 911 also using demolitions expert in our military to blow up the WTC and covered it up by using the FBI to hide and lie about all the evidences.

Go ahead and put me on the list of people that think the above statement is completely without merit.

Now, your other part "scientific evidences" makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. There is NO evidence that would prove your theory that military pilots carried out the attacks that day that would be scientific in nature. Of course, there is no evidence that supports your theories anyway, but thats another thread.

Originally posted by impressme
Secondly instead of trolling in all the 911 threads acting as if you are the foremost authority on everything in aviations, which I might add you are not.

Weedwacker comments about aviation, and you say he's lying.

Swampfox comments about aviation, you say he's lying

I comment about aviation, you say I'm lying.

pilotsfor911truth.org comment about aviation, and they're telling the truth.



OK, this is going out to everyone. Could someone answers these questions?

1.- Which are the six hidden panic alerts on B757/67 aircraft that weren´t used on 9/11?

2.- How does the software on those same type airplanes over ride pilot error?

Enquiring minds want to know??

reply to post by jerico65


Hi jerico65.
1.- There are NO HIDDEN PANIC ALERTS on B757/67 commercial aircraft.
2.- The software on these aircraft to help avoid pilot error consists basically of two things.
One is sounds, in the form of electronic voice warnings, discrete horns, and loud bells. None of these take over control of the plane from the pilot, if the pilot decides to ignore them, nothing else happens. (What can happen is damage to the aircraft or loss of control, but there are still margins beyond the limits where this warnings come up.)
The other "help" is lights, there are amber and red lights that come on in front of the pilot to get his (her) attention and make him (her) notice that a limit is being exceeded.
But once again, if the pilot ignores this, nothing else happens.
(Same note as before.)
So as you can understand, a deteremined suicidal pilot will have no problem with those software protections, because his aim is not safety but death and destruction.
My 2c.



[edit on 2-12-2009 by rush969]

Originally posted by rush969
2.- The software on these aircraft to help avoid pilot error consists basically of two things.
One is sounds, in the form of electronic voice warnings, discrete horns, and loud bells.

"Bitching Betty". That's what I was thinking. On our aircraft, it's the same thing. When parameters are exceeded, it tells you. "Pull up....pull up".

The caution and warning lights are like that on just about all aircraft.

I think it is hilarious that all three of you OS supporters have not put a dent in my thread or even bother to show any evidences to support your OS. All you have done is unsuccessfully tried to destroy my creditability, and trap me into a corner.
All three of you are playing tag team patted each other on the back so to speak. None of you three have even tried to truthfully answer my OP; all you are doing is posting insults and ridicule.
Consider yourselves put on *ignore.*

Originally posted by impressme
Consider yourselves put on *ignore.*

Well, that's one way of getting out of answering a question.