South Africa might be dangerous in certain conditions

Originally posted by wiser3
reply to post by halfmanhalfamazing

 

I don't need to "read the article" I watched it being reported on the news and on "Carte Blanche" when it happened, I want you to tell everyone that reads this thread , who isn't going to waste their time by first reading the article that you quote, before they make up their minds that South Africa is "too dangerous" That article is OLD NEWS and you should not have used it to make your point!

Actually the event happened some time ago... the article is recent.. in fact it was published today (27 October 2009)

reply to post by wiser3


How does one telling others about the current presidents education and past automatically make them want Mandela back on Robben Island?

Im sorry but what you have said is a good example of what is going on down here.
Back to the examples in my 1st post in this thread:
"Critisize the president, you are a racist"

qwik

The changing of the topic title really is indicative of what we have here.

Political correctness gone to the fiery place. Like that bloke who got asylum in canada, and SA people invited his fiance over to prove his arguments wrong. Yet as i'm reading that article, it sits next to all the other news, mall shoot-outs (those have become common), kidnapped, raped and murdered children (always a favourite), politicians having their sins cleaned away (all of them). And Julius Malema, described as per our current president, as worthy of being a president, inciting crowds to murder people. Seriously, why is a 42 year old man who has failed at everything, including high school woodwork, the head of a youth league?

Mandela is a balloon, filled with other people's hot air. He planted a bomb in a railway station. Finished. I have no place in my world for people like that, anywhere. You want to plant a bomb? Find a police station, or power supply plant, or something, not a public place.

As to the world cup, oh bring your dollars you buffoons. Come buy your piece of africa. Buy into the misery and oppression of everyone, except the ANC comrades, whom you will make even more wealthy. Come support our white elephant stadiums, that will suck even more money from the people of South Africa.

Come visit the country where blacks and whites driving million rand cars pass by malnourished children begging on street corners without a pause in their cellphone conversations. Come and have your party here.

It's what you foreigners call "exotic". *spit*

Oh and about Robben Island. Mandela was there for a relatively short stay. For the majority of his imprisonment, specifically the latter part, he was confined to a house in Pollsmoor prison.

From that house, he was able to function as the head of the ANC, and received nuptual visits from his murderous wife. Who he divorced as soon as it was possible.

Please, stop buying this rainbow nation lie. It really makes you look silly.

reply to post by harryhaller


Hallelujah! I never knew that about Nelson Mandela. Just shows you what they teach in schools is only what they want you to know!

Keep on speaking your mind, help us to free ourselves!

South Africa is statistically one of the most dangerous countries in the world, but the level of violence is exaggerated by a lot of the media. Most of the general crime that happens involves black people hurting other black people, but the racial crime that exists these days is mostly black on white violence. I know this might sound racist, but it is the truth. A LOT of black people still feel a lot of hate and resentment for white people in general because of what happened in the Apartheid years. This is understandable that they still feel hurt and angered, but violence against whites will not solve the problems that exist.

Thank you to the poster who mentioned the World Cup victory. The winning of the 1995 Rugby world cup was one of the few events in recent times that united both black and white people in South Africa. People were happy and filled with pride when they saw the flag being waved after the victory. Black and white people were briefly separated from their differences, and united by their similarities.

Today, you still hear the horrific stories of "revenge killings". Like groups of black males that search for white houses and rape-murder the families. It is some gruesome stuff and only brings forth more pain and suffering. It really is important for black people to understand that white people living there today are not responsible for what happened in the past. I am not saying the events must be swept under the rug, but seeking vengeance for past injustices through violence and murder is not a solution - it can only create more hate and division.

Considering the racial tensions and level of general security, I do not think choosing South Africa as host nation for the 2010 Soccer World Cup was such a wise decision. Also, the infrastructure needed to sustain such an event seems beyond their capacities. But I do hope I am wrong. Hopefully the country will flourish and the whole event will encourage all South Africans to unite and show respect to the visiting countries from abroad. Maybe having this spotlight on the country will be a good thing. Only time will tell...

[edit on 27/10/2009 by Dark Ghost]

Originally posted by andy1033
reply to post by deltaalphanovember

 

Did south africa winning the rugger world cup, not bring blacks and whites more friendly to each other at all. Or is rugger still a white mans game in your country?

Andy, more and more blacks are playing the game, especially at grass-roots levels. More and more are making it through to the top clubs, provinces and even National sides purely on merit.
There is no instant transformation, but it is happening - as long as it is on merit, then I don't care who plays for my country.

I know many die-hard right-wing Afrikaner rascists who shout with joy when Habana or Beast scores a try! Sport can and does make a person more tolerant towards others. (perhaps not amongst the football hooligans)

That all being said, soccer is more a black game, rugby is more a white game. So what? As long as nobody is blocked from playing or watcing the game of their choice, then let it be.

gemwolf you rock dude. and wiser, the best thing you've said is that if born in south africa (or, Africa) you are AFRICAN!!
I am proudly very much so. If it wasn't for the dictionary description of racism towards colour I would only think we were like dogs, different colours for different breeds.
Some people have big feet, I call them ski's. big noses, jews, sorry dudes, if I find you comfortable with it I call it as it is, to your face, if not I apologise and I move on.
thinking of that, at school about 9 years ago in standard 6 (grade 8) 3 zulu friends and myself ended up in a comical argument where one friend
chirped the other, "Nkanyiso, hei, you doing my garden this weekend, stupid K#$$!@" (ugly naughty K word) He laughed, I got in on it, not even thinking and called one a name, (not a nice one, pekkie or something)
they stood for a while, silent, then laughed a little and called me stupid white boy, mlungu, etc. we were friends before and some of them still to this day. I used to rap, freestyle with them through my Snoop Dogg phase.

Bottom line is at the end of the day, although it was hard for us maybe because of the history of South Africa, we KNEW we were friends and we laughed about it.
I now work at a company my grandfather started, dealing traditional African Muti,(not the bad stuff) with his garden boy, (who still works with us). I'm surrounded by african culture, as I said, I AM African, goddamnit.

This is just of the top of my head don't take it too seriously but, its almost like B.E.E and A.N.C are trying to turn the blacks against the whites, or at least FAILING to lead towards a true amalgamation of all the cultures South Africa has.
We are one people, take my stupid words at face value, we're all a little ignorant, we will only be perfect once we forgive our imperfections, in ourselves and our fellow man.
Lets help strive toward a better future not a bitter one.
Stand by me for the betterment of this country, not in questioning its faults but in wondering about its beauty, I will stand by you and together we will shadow our doubts and look to the coming morning with wings spread.



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oo, oo.. BEEEEEAST!!!

reply to post by deltaalphanovember



Have those unfair rules stopped now in south africa, where the boks have to play so many blacks. The black players should get there on merit, and from what i saw of the team, they all deserve to be there. SO is the rule now gone?

reply to post by halfmanhalfamazing


More to the point, you're showing us people arguing on an internet outlet.

Normal person + Anonymity + Audience = total &*@$wad.

I wouldn't take it too much to heart.

I have been in Zuid Afrika from 19 October till 10 November 2008 to do some voluntary work. We did restoration work on a child and youth care centre for children with the age of 1 till in their mid twenty's who have aids and have no parents.

In all those weeks ive been there, i have never have had the idea i was treated i a racism kind of way

I dont get all this racism talk. Before departure we were informed many times about the dangers and about the current situation between whites and blacks but ive never experienced it in a dangerous or unfriendly hatefull way.

And mind you, i am WHITE and i am Dutch. Im sure most of you know about the relationship between Dutch people and South Afrika. South african Flag is based on our red-white and blue flag, and the language Afrikaans is just the dutch language with some sort of dialect added into it. Just to point out the relation between Holland and South Afrika.

South Africa is the most friendly country i have ever been. I have been treated like a god, and i did not had a typical vacation, like to see some wild-parks and other things. I have seen the darkest and baddest things South Africa has in store. Young 15 year old boys dying from aids, lost his parents, sisters never there... and still they are so nice and friendly...

I will always remember visiting kids that did not even passed the age of 10, all alone in a shag, no electricity, no food, no medicines, dying from aids, all alone with no parents and family, and then driving back to the child and yout care centre seeing all those big beautifull villa's that were owned by whites who live as kings. I cryed my eyes out, i really did. How the hell could those white people wake up in their houses, watch trough the window, see those shags and still feel good about themselves?


But to stay on-topic: Maybe the tourists that visit the big cities like Johannesburg and Capetown etc etc see a whole different country then i did.

I was not there on vacation, i was there to build a centre for kids that have aids. I have not seen the big city's, except for East London. I have seen the real Africa, the poor and aids-infected Africa.

I have, for example, worked with people from the age of 17 to 20 that are very poor and have aids. Then you get to know them much better than when you are on vacation and are just walking past them.

When we were done working for the day, we sat down with a beer, and suddenly in the kitchen the old grandma's were singing and dancing. Stuff like that. You will never experience such things when you are a tourist, sleeping in a hotel and visiting some safari-parks.

Tourists cannot appreciate the real africa. To do that, you have to see what i have seen. And a tourist on vacation does not visit the areas like i lived in for three weeks.


If you dont have money to buy food for the next couple of months, if you are dying and living in a home that is made out of plastic with no electricity and water, and you still can be so friendly like those south-african people were to me, then to me you are the greatest.

And even when they all lacked food, money, clothes, medicines and all those important stuff, knowing you are gonna die very young i still have never ever felt threatend or whatever. They were more friendly to me, a white DUTCH guy, you can ever imagine.


I have sang songs with black SA people, drunk beers with them, we had dinner at the same time same table, we danced with eachother, we played pranks and jokes with them and we had conversations and they have shared their most personel storys and feelings with us. And we, the people i went to SA with were all white.

So i think the racism is all a bit overrated, but thats from my own experience with that country. Maybe it is happening in the big city's, maybe it is happening between white south africans and black south africans and they leave the tourists or whatever alone, i dont know, i just wanted to give my opinion on the country that people talk so much # of which in my experience it doesnt deserve. It is a great, wonderfull, beautifull and very friendly country. At least it was to me.


By the way, i was in King Williams Town, Buffalo City, East London

[edit on 27/10/09 by TheNetherlands]

Wow, thanks for that man, especially the balanced view of extremisms! Nicely done. I've been hoping to post on SA, so I'll check this out at leisure and in detail. I'm a fairly new member and tried to make SA relevant by posting on Fifa. Most people didn't even know what it was, and they mistook SA for South America! Well done - you nicely let the cat out of the bag! There are conspiracies going on here, and open political handling/manipulation that would make other countries gawk in shock. Once again: well done!

Originally posted by andy1033

Originally posted by infinite
reply to post by andy1033

 

A shame the Dutch were the first to settle in South Africa - 100 years before the British gained the Cape Colony.

Its the english that made your country into the hell it is today. Just always remember how much they did to you.

I think for all of south africa it will be good, but having a poor team may dampen things, as the hosts normally have to do well.

The world cup needs at least 1 african side, to do well, to unite africa as a continent. Not sure if africa has any good sides at the mo though.

Cote d'Ivoire are probably the best African side at the moment and are definitely dark horses to win the World Cup with the talent they have. Ghana too perhaps.

South Africa will probably be given the easiest group to help them qualify for the 2nd round (just like South Korea and Japan in 2002) but I can't see them going much further than that.

I know it's nowhere near the scale of the World Cup but the Confederations Cup passed fine, the only unsavoury incident was when one team's hotel was robbed. Also the Cricket and Rugby World Cup's have been hosted in SA and passed off with little problems. I'm optimistic about WC 2010 in SA, I think it will have a positive effect on the country and the people and I can't see any of the scaremongering coming to pass on any large scale.

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by halfmanhalfamazing

 

More to the point, you're showing us people arguing on an internet outlet.

Normal person + Anonymity + Audience = total &*@$wad.

I wouldn't take it too much to heart.

Thanks for sharing, please try to stay on topic in the future. This thread isn't about me it's about the racism and violence that has been going on lately.

These "comments" speak for themsleves, i didn't write or alter them I just wanted to show people.

Originally posted by TheNetherlands
I have been in Zuid Afrika from 19 October till 10 November 2008 to do some voluntary work. We did restoration work on a child and youth care centre for children with the age of 1 till in their mid twenty's who have aids and have no parents.

In all those weeks ive been there, i have never have had the idea i was treated i a racism kind of way

I dont get all this racism talk. Before departure we were informed many times about the dangers and about the current situation between whites and blacks but ive never experienced it in a dangerous or unfriendly hatefull way.

And mind you, i am WHITE and i am Dutch. Im sure most of you know about the relationship between Dutch people and South Afrika. South african Flag is based on our red-white and blue flag, and the language Afrikaans is just the dutch language with some sort of dialect added into it. Just to point out the relation between Holland and South Afrika.

South Africa is the most friendly country i have ever been. I have been treated like a god, and i did not had a typical vacation, like to see some wild-parks and other things. I have seen the darkest and baddest things South Africa has in store. Young 15 year old boys dying from aids, lost his parents, sisters never there... and still they are so nice and friendly...

I will always remember visiting kids that did not even passed the age of 10, all alone in a shag, no electricity, no food, no medicines, dying from aids, all alone with no parents and family, and then driving back to the child and yout care centre seeing all those big beautifull villa's that were owned by whites who live as kings. I cryed my eyes out, i really did. How the hell could those white people wake up in their houses, watch trough the window, see those shags and still feel good about themselves?


But to stay on-topic: Maybe the tourists that visit the big cities like Johannesburg and Capetown etc etc see a whole different country then i did.

I was not there on vacation, i was there to build a centre for kids that have aids. I have not seen the big city's, except for East London. I have seen the real Africa, the poor and aids-infected Africa.

I have, for example, worked with people from the age of 17 to 20 that are very poor and have aids. Then you get to know them much better than when you are on vacation and are just walking past them.

When we were done working for the day, we sat down with a beer, and suddenly in the kitchen the old grandma's were singing and dancing. Stuff like that. You will never experience such things when you are a tourist, sleeping in a hotel and visiting some safari-parks.

Tourists cannot appreciate the real africa. To do that, you have to see what i have seen. And a tourist on vacation does not visit the areas like i lived in for three weeks.


If you dont have money to buy food for the next couple of months, if you are dying and living in a home that is made out of plastic with no electricity and water, and you still can be so friendly like those south-african people were to me, then to me you are the greatest.

And even when they all lacked food, money, clothes, medicines and all those important stuff, knowing you are gonna die very young i still have never ever felt threatend or whatever. They were more friendly to me, a white DUTCH guy, you can ever imagine.


I have sang songs with black SA people, drunk beers with them, we had dinner at the same time same table, we danced with eachother, we played pranks and jokes with them and we had conversations and they have shared their most personel storys and feelings with us. And we, the people i went to SA with were all white.

So i think the racism is all a bit overrated, but thats from my own experience with that country. Maybe it is happening in the big city's, maybe it is happening between white south africans and black south africans and they leave the tourists or whatever alone, i dont know, i just wanted to give my opinion on the country that people talk so much # of which in my experience it doesnt deserve. It is a great, wonderfull, beautifull and very friendly country. At least it was to me.


By the way, i was in King Williams Town, Buffalo City, East London

[edit on 27/10/09 by TheNetherlands]

i think it great that you got to see all sides of South Africa, and helping out is a wonderful thing.

I can show many examples where all colours celbrate together, but it seems as soon as there is an opportunity to call people rascist we all jump on it and gun at eachother.

Im not trying to say all SA's are rascist but I cannot deny that rascism is still very much alive.

reply to post by harryhaller


I didn't think that was a hidden fact?

He was taken to the house so that he could be given the 'Keys to the country' so to speak. From there he was educated as to what his new role of president would be. About how instrumental he would be in calming the African people. And to meet with major business leaders to ensure that once handover occurred nothing much would change for large business interests.

When it came to crunch time, the white government cared as much for the general white population as they cared for the blacks.

Manager suspended for offensive Mandela song

Fresh article, Im not looking for this stuff, its front page almost everyday... yet we keep denying it.

reply to post by halfmanhalfamazing


The White South African elites is probably the dumbest group of people in the world. They purposely separated themselves without trying to increase their numbers. Or at least try to educate the other groups. Ya reap what ya sow.

Beta.services. : It's open record, the truth is freely available. However, the realities are covered up to preserve the myth.
The education system teaches a very one sided view of our history, the media propogates the same lies. And frankly, the fact that Mandela planted a bomb is not known to most under 30's i have spoken to.

Yes he was chosen, and groomed. The choice was made by the US, when they dropped Buthelezi, and the IFP from their preferred candidate status.

Funny though, Mandela was primarily released because the government feared he would die in prison, despite his life sentence. 20 years on and he's still alive ...

Eldard, you'd better retract that, since you apparently know nothing of the "white elite" as you call them. On this, the above top secret forum, battling the new world order and so on, you may want to cast your mind back 300 years to some simple dutch farmers who wanted nothing more than to leave the empire. (the british). They peacefully migrated across unclaimed land, and attempted treaties with the natives to gain farmland WITHOUT conflict. What followed was Dingaan's treachery, and the enmity that remains to this day. (look into the Battle of Blood River)

300 years have passed, and the current black leaders are licking the boots of the global elite, for personal gain of course. What the world sees as "APARTHEID" was in fact the remnants of the british empire, it's laws and customs. [snip], which is the worst possible word to use regarding a black, was not afrikaans, or dutch, or english even, but arabic, from the arabic slave traders of that time, signifying "heathen". The british brought the slaves to South Africa, courtesy of the arabs, for their plantations.

One more note Eldard, if you think the wholesale slaughter of the native americans was preferable to the way the boers lived, then i pity you.

[edit on 28-10-2009 by harryhaller]



[mod edit: racial slur removed]

[edit on 28-10-2009 by 12m8keall2c]

Its not about black against white or white against black.
Its not about a conflict between muslim and christians.

What is taking place in Africa is a slow depopulation and eventual takeover of all of Africa by a as of now unknown group that has a long range plan to be the leaders of a future grand Africa.

This group has been funneling money to groups to destabilize Africa for 40 years and will continue to this long term plan till there is no one or government in Africa that can stop them from walking in with there own army and just take over.

Just look at how many countries in africa have changed leadership to corrupt leaders and leaders that are speeding up the depopulation.
These countries are now being killed off by war, AIDs and hunger with out this unknown group even being known and blamed.
All they have to do is funnel money to the right people and it looks like the african are doing it to themselves.

Give a few dollars to the right minsters in a africa country and have them tell blacks with AIDS that they can be cured by having sex with young girls and they kill off 10,000 more.

Funnel some money to a nut case in Zimbabwe so he can take over and there goes another 100.000
So more money and arms to a few rebel leaders and they will start wars that will kill off another million.
More money and arms to tribes to kill off the tribe next door that they hate and you can start a killing field and destabilize another country like Rwanda.

Its all done by proxy with no one in any government or the UN even knowing what is really going on.

What do they want its the prime crop land and mineral resources of africa for there own riches and the slave labor they will have from the survivers.
Who by them will treat these same people a saviors for taking over and bring order to a dieing and hopeless people.

This may take another 30 to 50 years before this group sends there troops in to restore order and take over, but it will happen.
And by then there will be no government in Africa to stop them and the rest of the world will no longer care because they will have given up on Africa and will let anyone that wants Africa have Africa.