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The Clone Conspiracy: Royal and Presidential Clones
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Hi Someotherguy,
Here's an interesting converging opinion regarding Steven Greer not being whom he claims. It was posted at the bottom of the following page on Bittorent:
"I've met Steven Greer and I gotta tell you, the guy is full of #! By his own admission, he and his wife have dinner with the heads of the CIA and NSA all the time, they "enjoy each others company". These are some of the things he said when he was in Portland Or. "The CIA and the NSA are on the up and up and are more than willing to share what they have on UFO's they wouldn't lie to protect secrets." I am paraphrasing because I don't remember his exact words but this is pretty close. He also said that all extraterrestrials are our friendly space brothers and that to think otherwise is "only impeding the progress he's made with the CIA and NSA." No doubt over a nice dinner with heads of both groups followed by cigars and wine afterward? Greer is a disinformation plant pure and simple! "
For spookysully's comment scroll to bottom of linked page
Also, there is an interesting reference to Queen Elizabeth I in the second series of Secret Space. They show an entirely different painting of her holding a long snake in her left hand and they state that:
"Elizabeth the 1st Used Reptile Motifs on her Clothes and Signature."
Queen Elizabeth 1st with her beloved
More importantly, at minute 1:45 they refer to Greys as being Genetically Engineered Reptilians who have been regularly extracting Human DNA in order to develop a HYBRID SLAVE RACE to serve Aliens.
My take on this is that this Cloned Slave Race will replace Humans as the population of Earth, because we are too self-determined and rebellious to make obedient and submissive servants. Just like their Cloned CEOs have replaced the working class with robotics to shut down proletarian demands for labor rights and a fair share in the proceeds of industrial progress, their Cloned Leaders are today clearing the path for Genocide and our replacement with bio-engineered humanoids. While not mechanical, they will nonetheless be little more than automated mind controlled robots.
Better to laugh than cry
We can also count on our Alien Invaders to host here their Demonic Accomplices who are currently possessing our Leaders as well as many Celebrities or anyone else with sufficient wealth, fame and fortune. Most unfortunately, we have to envisage a scenario which, despite all appearance of a Science Fiction fantasy, holds much likelihood of being fairly accurate. For we seem to be inexorably advancing in leaps and bounds towards a future where the following influences converge.
1. Programed Mass Genocide of most if not all of humanity using all technological means at our disposal: HAARP Climate upheavals, triggered Earthquakes, Biological Warfare Attacks, Tactical Nuclear onslaughts, herding and liquidation, etc.
2. Robotized Industrial Production of Bio-Engineered sub-human workers to serve Alien and Demonic Masters as a SLAVE CASTE.
3. Cloned production of optimized Hybrid Human-Reptilian bodies to host Demonic Entities from the hither-land to become the NWO MASTER CASTE.
4. Mass Arrival of a GOD CASTE of Aliens to rule over Colony Earth.
Will US-NATO Start World War III by Attacking Iran?
Some may take exception to this scenario but. apart from its technological and extra-terrestrial references, the MASTER PLAN is not very different from the Perfect Society exalted by Plato. You need just replace the Guardians with our "Watchers" or Alien Gods, replace the Administrators with Cloned Demons employed in the same slave-driver capacity, then replace the Peasants with a sub-human bio-engineered slave race - - and you've got the above scenario in its 21st Century New World Order fulfillment.
THIS IS WHY THE CLONE CONSPIRACY THREAD HAS DISTURBED THEM TO THE POINT OF SENDING AN MIB ATTACK.
Some of us will not shuffle along to our demise like so many calves to the slaughterhouse. And those behind this Agenda shall learn that cattle can gore like bulls.
Here, in the following link on page 5 you will find the statement made by the Bilderberg accomplices in their Secret Covenant:
This covenant is sealed by blood, our blood. We, the ones who from heaven to earth came."
The Secret Covenant of the Illuminati
[edit on 7-3-2010 by Getsmart]
Here's an interesting converging opinion regarding Steven Greer not being whom he claims. It was posted at the bottom of the following page on Bittorent:
"I've met Steven Greer and I gotta tell you, the guy is full of #! By his own admission, he and his wife have dinner with the heads of the CIA and NSA all the time, they "enjoy each others company". These are some of the things he said when he was in Portland Or. "The CIA and the NSA are on the up and up and are more than willing to share what they have on UFO's they wouldn't lie to protect secrets." I am paraphrasing because I don't remember his exact words but this is pretty close. He also said that all extraterrestrials are our friendly space brothers and that to think otherwise is "only impeding the progress he's made with the CIA and NSA." No doubt over a nice dinner with heads of both groups followed by cigars and wine afterward? Greer is a disinformation plant pure and simple! "
For spookysully's comment scroll to bottom of linked page
Also, there is an interesting reference to Queen Elizabeth I in the second series of Secret Space. They show an entirely different painting of her holding a long snake in her left hand and they state that:
"Elizabeth the 1st Used Reptile Motifs on her Clothes and Signature."
Queen Elizabeth 1st with her beloved
More importantly, at minute 1:45 they refer to Greys as being Genetically Engineered Reptilians who have been regularly extracting Human DNA in order to develop a HYBRID SLAVE RACE to serve Aliens.
My take on this is that this Cloned Slave Race will replace Humans as the population of Earth, because we are too self-determined and rebellious to make obedient and submissive servants. Just like their Cloned CEOs have replaced the working class with robotics to shut down proletarian demands for labor rights and a fair share in the proceeds of industrial progress, their Cloned Leaders are today clearing the path for Genocide and our replacement with bio-engineered humanoids. While not mechanical, they will nonetheless be little more than automated mind controlled robots.
Better to laugh than cry
We can also count on our Alien Invaders to host here their Demonic Accomplices who are currently possessing our Leaders as well as many Celebrities or anyone else with sufficient wealth, fame and fortune. Most unfortunately, we have to envisage a scenario which, despite all appearance of a Science Fiction fantasy, holds much likelihood of being fairly accurate. For we seem to be inexorably advancing in leaps and bounds towards a future where the following influences converge.
1. Programed Mass Genocide of most if not all of humanity using all technological means at our disposal: HAARP Climate upheavals, triggered Earthquakes, Biological Warfare Attacks, Tactical Nuclear onslaughts, herding and liquidation, etc.
2. Robotized Industrial Production of Bio-Engineered sub-human workers to serve Alien and Demonic Masters as a SLAVE CASTE.
3. Cloned production of optimized Hybrid Human-Reptilian bodies to host Demonic Entities from the hither-land to become the NWO MASTER CASTE.
4. Mass Arrival of a GOD CASTE of Aliens to rule over Colony Earth.
Will US-NATO Start World War III by Attacking Iran?
Some may take exception to this scenario but. apart from its technological and extra-terrestrial references, the MASTER PLAN is not very different from the Perfect Society exalted by Plato. You need just replace the Guardians with our "Watchers" or Alien Gods, replace the Administrators with Cloned Demons employed in the same slave-driver capacity, then replace the Peasants with a sub-human bio-engineered slave race - - and you've got the above scenario in its 21st Century New World Order fulfillment.
THIS IS WHY THE CLONE CONSPIRACY THREAD HAS DISTURBED THEM TO THE POINT OF SENDING AN MIB ATTACK.
Some of us will not shuffle along to our demise like so many calves to the slaughterhouse. And those behind this Agenda shall learn that cattle can gore like bulls.
Here, in the following link on page 5 you will find the statement made by the Bilderberg accomplices in their Secret Covenant:
This covenant is sealed by blood, our blood. We, the ones who from heaven to earth came."
The Secret Covenant of the Illuminati
[edit on 7-3-2010 by Getsmart]
This brief post is to update you on the ongoing research into the Clone Conspiracy. The Men in Black have not won and this thread hasn't been
abandoned. You will note that in the last few pages the discussion has moved from the examination of similarites of facial morphologies Political
Leaders with former members of Royal Bloodlines. This research can continue fruitfully, but has already made the point that there is an unusual
frequency of resemblance between leading politicians and Bloodliners or their illegitimate offspring.
What has unexpectedly appeared in this research is an innordinate pattern of such great resemblance between large numbers of politicians and equally numerous members of royal families, that another mystery appeared.
Firstly, how could Cloning have been operative so far back in our history ?
Secondly, why such a selective cloning, of mostly royal bloodlines ?
Thirdly, why is there such an extensive connection between these clones, royals and pedophile satanism ?
We will note that while these questions might be each considered separately, it seems that they actually are better explained when taken together. A number of posts have treated these factors of the Cloned Leaders phenomena and their associated logical causes. So far a number of parameters are best explained by a Scenario which is almost as unconventional but is not in any way new, having been sourced in ancient texts, mythologies and religions.
The premise is that the world has been in the ancient past subject to an invasion or at least a "visitation" of Alien Entities which were here on Earth for sufficient time to either conduct genetic experiments or otherwise interbreed with humans, creating a caste of Hybrids.
For if we consider that today creating Clones is within the realm of officially recognized scientific capabilities, and that the process of hybridization is only the combination of characteristics derived by cross-breeding or genetic manipulation, then we're already there at our fairly primitive stage of biotechnology.
That other intelligent beings may have reached this fledgeling stage at an earlier date presupposes several things. That we are not the only intelligent beings in the universe. Just maybe, we aren't the most intelligent beings in the universe. Other intelligent entities have been on Earth in our past. These entities may have reproduced with humans, either naturally or using biotechnology. Due to this there are different degrees of representation of that interbreeding among members of the human population. For certain reasons, those with a higher proportion of non-human genetics in their DNA gained positions of dominance over the rest of humanity, they call themselves Royalty. An Elite of Royal families and their blood relatives with less visible identities have formed a special interest group often referred to as The Illuminati.
You will ask, and quite justly so, what does this all have to do with the Clone Conspiracy ? Much as our Political Leaders presumably didn't Clone themselves. Somebody had to do it and needed a specific motivation and organization to have done so with such a characteristic pattern and managed to operate in such secrecy. Because our research into this question is not due to a convenient whistleblower, but was brought about by the observation of a phenomenon so widespread and systematic that it could no longer be ignored.
For this reason, for a time, our research has moved to other problem sets in order to better explore the nature of this group, their motives and modus operandi. For your reference I have linked to threads which may help provide insight into this group called the Illuminati, and their organizing logics as well as their known practices and goals.
Are the ILLUMINATI Agents of ALIENS ? Are Occult Mystery Religions Demonic Control Mechanisms ?
Is ATS Luciferian ? * Please note the question mark !
If you have not taken the time to read at least some of the posts in the above links, then it may seem to be quite a shortcut in logic to state the following, but these are the conclusions emanating from the above, with their implications for the Clone Conspiracy.
1. Cloning has gone on here on Earth for at least some 200 years, using either techniques conserved by Hermetic Occult Orders of Alchemy (biotechnology) or retreived from ancient knowledge discovered during archeological digs which became extensive in the 18th and 19th centuries.
2. Royal Bloodlines revert to their hybridization with a Reptilian humanoid species of high intelligence which either existed in other parts of Earth or were of extraterrestrial origin, or both.
3. At least a portion of these Reptilian entitites have been cast into a dimensional Abyss or a specific dimension of phsycial space separated from our own dimensions.
4. Bridges or Portals can bring into contact that dimensional space with our own, causing unusual phenomena ranging from spirit apparitions, djinns, alien greys, ghosts, demons.
5. Royal Bloodlines engage in black Magick practices to bridge between these dimensions to harness the forces of their dimensional relatives and thus gain advantage here on Earth.
6. The Illuminati generalize these practices with their offspring, and cause them trauma and torment to heighten the control of their Reptilian side over their behavior.
7. Royal and Illuminati bloodlines are obsessed with genetic characteristics leading to planned parenthood with carefully chosen breeding genetics as well as today developed practices of Cloning Royal representatives of their Bloodlines.
8. Royals and The Illuminati commune with Demons from beyond our officiallly known phsysical world, using tried and true techniques of sybological evocation and Magick rituals.
9. These rituals involve drawing and drinking of human blood, torture of pre-adolescent victims to generate Adrenal-chrome which helps their leaders who have dominant reptilian genetics to retain the stealth characteristics of a fully human appearance.
10. Half Reptilian Royals and their Clones engage in pedophile acts against kidnapped children to gain psychic energies and for ritual magick purposes, in addition to associated demonic criminal perversion.
11. These Royal Bloodlines and their Illuminati brethren have organized in a vast network of Secret Societies and Secret Services, subverting governments as well as corporations, populating political parties with their own kind in cloned form, and preparing for a New World Order takeover of our planet.
12. The organizations they use are the Bilderberg Group, Bohemian Grove, The Trilateral Commission, the Club of Rome, the Nights of Malta, the Council on Foreign Relations, the higher levels of Freemasonry and many many other parties, groups, clubs, sects, agencies,associations, foundations and corporations.
13. Whether mad and delusional or better versed in secret knowledge than we have been allowed to become, they are preparing for a major change, Armageddon, starting at the end of 2012.
14. Considerable evidence points to the association of date with the opening of a dimensional portal or Stargate to allow the Entrance into our dimension of an Invasion of their originating breeders, to whom they seem to have an allegiance or a vested interest in seeing dominate the Earth.
15. Their plans include the elimination of much of our planet's population and its replacement with either an Elite modelled after their own genetics and/or a slave race purposely biologically engineered to have limited intelligence and servility.
16. There is a serious concentration of aerial and naval forces at the Golf of Aden where it has been reported that there is an underwater base and a Stargate. This could have an incidence of the events expected in 2012.
17. Several large particle colliders are trying to create Anti-matter and to reproduce something similar to the big bang, which may also be related to making a Stargate.
18. Intelligence agencies are intertwined with The Illuminati Elite, serving their purposes, furnishing victims for sacrifice, installing their clones into place and generally advancing their various agendas - - knowingly or not depending upon the degree of initiation and compartimentalization.
19. The New World Order is a preparatory stage to use our efforts and labor to assist in our own destruction and the technological and organizational implementation of a centralized global control system dictating life and death.
20. Some members of The Illuminati, a proportion of their compromized accomplices, certain factions of military personnel, a large disparate group of private citizens are organizing in improvised initiatives to resist The Illuminati assisted invasion of Earth.
What has unexpectedly appeared in this research is an innordinate pattern of such great resemblance between large numbers of politicians and equally numerous members of royal families, that another mystery appeared.
Firstly, how could Cloning have been operative so far back in our history ?
Secondly, why such a selective cloning, of mostly royal bloodlines ?
Thirdly, why is there such an extensive connection between these clones, royals and pedophile satanism ?
We will note that while these questions might be each considered separately, it seems that they actually are better explained when taken together. A number of posts have treated these factors of the Cloned Leaders phenomena and their associated logical causes. So far a number of parameters are best explained by a Scenario which is almost as unconventional but is not in any way new, having been sourced in ancient texts, mythologies and religions.
The premise is that the world has been in the ancient past subject to an invasion or at least a "visitation" of Alien Entities which were here on Earth for sufficient time to either conduct genetic experiments or otherwise interbreed with humans, creating a caste of Hybrids.
For if we consider that today creating Clones is within the realm of officially recognized scientific capabilities, and that the process of hybridization is only the combination of characteristics derived by cross-breeding or genetic manipulation, then we're already there at our fairly primitive stage of biotechnology.
That other intelligent beings may have reached this fledgeling stage at an earlier date presupposes several things. That we are not the only intelligent beings in the universe. Just maybe, we aren't the most intelligent beings in the universe. Other intelligent entities have been on Earth in our past. These entities may have reproduced with humans, either naturally or using biotechnology. Due to this there are different degrees of representation of that interbreeding among members of the human population. For certain reasons, those with a higher proportion of non-human genetics in their DNA gained positions of dominance over the rest of humanity, they call themselves Royalty. An Elite of Royal families and their blood relatives with less visible identities have formed a special interest group often referred to as The Illuminati.
You will ask, and quite justly so, what does this all have to do with the Clone Conspiracy ? Much as our Political Leaders presumably didn't Clone themselves. Somebody had to do it and needed a specific motivation and organization to have done so with such a characteristic pattern and managed to operate in such secrecy. Because our research into this question is not due to a convenient whistleblower, but was brought about by the observation of a phenomenon so widespread and systematic that it could no longer be ignored.
For this reason, for a time, our research has moved to other problem sets in order to better explore the nature of this group, their motives and modus operandi. For your reference I have linked to threads which may help provide insight into this group called the Illuminati, and their organizing logics as well as their known practices and goals.
Are the ILLUMINATI Agents of ALIENS ? Are Occult Mystery Religions Demonic Control Mechanisms ?
Is ATS Luciferian ? * Please note the question mark !
If you have not taken the time to read at least some of the posts in the above links, then it may seem to be quite a shortcut in logic to state the following, but these are the conclusions emanating from the above, with their implications for the Clone Conspiracy.
1. Cloning has gone on here on Earth for at least some 200 years, using either techniques conserved by Hermetic Occult Orders of Alchemy (biotechnology) or retreived from ancient knowledge discovered during archeological digs which became extensive in the 18th and 19th centuries.
2. Royal Bloodlines revert to their hybridization with a Reptilian humanoid species of high intelligence which either existed in other parts of Earth or were of extraterrestrial origin, or both.
3. At least a portion of these Reptilian entitites have been cast into a dimensional Abyss or a specific dimension of phsycial space separated from our own dimensions.
4. Bridges or Portals can bring into contact that dimensional space with our own, causing unusual phenomena ranging from spirit apparitions, djinns, alien greys, ghosts, demons.
5. Royal Bloodlines engage in black Magick practices to bridge between these dimensions to harness the forces of their dimensional relatives and thus gain advantage here on Earth.
6. The Illuminati generalize these practices with their offspring, and cause them trauma and torment to heighten the control of their Reptilian side over their behavior.
7. Royal and Illuminati bloodlines are obsessed with genetic characteristics leading to planned parenthood with carefully chosen breeding genetics as well as today developed practices of Cloning Royal representatives of their Bloodlines.
8. Royals and The Illuminati commune with Demons from beyond our officiallly known phsysical world, using tried and true techniques of sybological evocation and Magick rituals.
9. These rituals involve drawing and drinking of human blood, torture of pre-adolescent victims to generate Adrenal-chrome which helps their leaders who have dominant reptilian genetics to retain the stealth characteristics of a fully human appearance.
10. Half Reptilian Royals and their Clones engage in pedophile acts against kidnapped children to gain psychic energies and for ritual magick purposes, in addition to associated demonic criminal perversion.
11. These Royal Bloodlines and their Illuminati brethren have organized in a vast network of Secret Societies and Secret Services, subverting governments as well as corporations, populating political parties with their own kind in cloned form, and preparing for a New World Order takeover of our planet.
12. The organizations they use are the Bilderberg Group, Bohemian Grove, The Trilateral Commission, the Club of Rome, the Nights of Malta, the Council on Foreign Relations, the higher levels of Freemasonry and many many other parties, groups, clubs, sects, agencies,associations, foundations and corporations.
13. Whether mad and delusional or better versed in secret knowledge than we have been allowed to become, they are preparing for a major change, Armageddon, starting at the end of 2012.
14. Considerable evidence points to the association of date with the opening of a dimensional portal or Stargate to allow the Entrance into our dimension of an Invasion of their originating breeders, to whom they seem to have an allegiance or a vested interest in seeing dominate the Earth.
15. Their plans include the elimination of much of our planet's population and its replacement with either an Elite modelled after their own genetics and/or a slave race purposely biologically engineered to have limited intelligence and servility.
16. There is a serious concentration of aerial and naval forces at the Golf of Aden where it has been reported that there is an underwater base and a Stargate. This could have an incidence of the events expected in 2012.
17. Several large particle colliders are trying to create Anti-matter and to reproduce something similar to the big bang, which may also be related to making a Stargate.
18. Intelligence agencies are intertwined with The Illuminati Elite, serving their purposes, furnishing victims for sacrifice, installing their clones into place and generally advancing their various agendas - - knowingly or not depending upon the degree of initiation and compartimentalization.
19. The New World Order is a preparatory stage to use our efforts and labor to assist in our own destruction and the technological and organizational implementation of a centralized global control system dictating life and death.
20. Some members of The Illuminati, a proportion of their compromized accomplices, certain factions of military personnel, a large disparate group of private citizens are organizing in improvised initiatives to resist The Illuminati assisted invasion of Earth.
Originally posted by Getsmart
"I've met Steven Greer and I gotta tell you, the guy is full of #!... "The CIA and the NSA are on the up and up and are more than willing to share what they have on UFO's they wouldn't lie to protect secrets."
That is kind of shocking that Greer would say that. Doesn't he know that gives him away as a disinfo agent right away? No one is going to believe CIA or NSA "wouldn't lie." Give me a break.
He also said that all extraterrestrials are our friendly space brothers and that to think otherwise is "only impeding the progress he's made with the CIA and NSA."
Ok, well, I know from personal experience that not all ETs are "our friendly space brothers." Yes, there are some, maybe even many, but there are also malevolent ones out there that are definitely not interested in our welfare.
[edit on 19-3-2010 by someotherguy]
Originally posted by someotherguy
That is kind of shocking that Greer would say that. Doesn't he know that gives him away as a disinfo agent right away? No one is going to believe CIA or NSA "wouldn't lie." Give me a break...
... I know from personal experience that not all ETs are "our friendly space brothers." Yes, there are some, maybe even many, but there are also malevolent ones out there that are definitely not interested in our welfare.
Hi Someotherguy,
Thanks for sharing your observations. The history of humanity is peppered with observations regarding malevolent entities which cannot easily be construed as Human. Demons or Aliens, there are definitely some malevolent creatures out there. I'd welcome the occasion to meet up with benevolent aliens, but my experience has so far limited to encounters with benevolent human beings.
Regarding the HIGHLY CONTROVERSIAL aspect of this thread that includes observations that points to human cloning going on for the past 200 years, I would like to bring to this subject something recently discovered in another newsgroup. It is a testimonial of an individual presumed to be a former member of a British Intelligence agency, and who states that there has been a well funded highly organized massive campaign of genetic research in the United Kingdom since the Regency era.
Two Centuries of British Royal Genetic Engineering
"Genetic research in the UK began far earlier than the mainstream historians would like to suggest. It began in the 1830s."
"In 1980, British Intelligence were experimenting with far more sophisticated equipment than that poor fool of a Took has managed to 'invent' at the University of Warwick. They had already perfected techniques by which one could move objects around a screen simply by 'thought' i.e. brainwaves and electrodes. This knowledge, is only being leaked to UK universities now and on a small drip feed."
"Let us cast our minds back to the 1800s and look at which groups of people were being targeted for genetic experimentation. The British Monarchy and their associates, conformed to the societal prejudice and stereotyping that Jews were genetically more intelligent than the rest of us. Untrue. One could argue that it is Jewish culture which has done much to promote education in a similar way to that of eastern cultures but one also has to say that the original Hebrew genes had already been diluted within Europe to the point of almost complete assimiliation into the gentile population - despite Jewish groups maintaining their bloodlines. Nowadays, roughly a third of European, gentile males carry what has been identified as the 'Jewish' gene."
"The Monarchists believed that the Jews were a cut above the rest in terms of intellectual capacity for knowledge and understanding i.e. they had 'superior' genes in this respect."
"The Jews were also seen as an extremely dangerous threat to those in aristocratic circles. Why? They were 'too clever' by half and the aristocracy knew only too well, their own genetic inferiority, not just in respect to the Jews but to the rest of society in general."
"The two main factors in this arena: brains versus Old Money."
From this account, it seems to bring some light to the matter. That many Russian Tsars were cloned is possibly due to their having been very closely related to the British / Germanic royal lineage. Furthermore, we will note that this drive to improve and renovate the Royal Bloodlines may have been provoked by the very recent - at the time - experience of Britain's Mad King George III.
George III of the United Kingdom
I mentioned that the British Cloning project dates back to the Regency period. It was called the Regency period because the son of George III had to replace his mad father as Prince Regent, until officially becoming George IV in 1820. It can be well understood that his entourage decided that the utmost must be done to prevent such an occurrence from happening again.
George IV of the United Kingdom
"George IV's heavy drinking and indulgent lifestyle had taken its toll on his health by the late 1820s. His taste for huge banquets and copious amounts of alcohol caused him to become obese, making him the target of ridicule on the rare occasions that he did appear in public. Furthermore, he suffered from gout, arteriosclerosis, cataracts and possible porphyria; he would spend whole days in bed and suffered spasms of breathlessness that would leave him half-asphyxiated. Some accounts claim that he showed signs of mental instability towards the end of his life, although less extreme than his father; he sometimes claimed that he had been at the Battle of Waterloo, which may have been a sign of dementia, or he may have just been trying to annoy the Duke of Wellington."
Hello again,
I apologise for the long gap since my original post. I had to go back to sea for a while.
While it's not really important in the grand scheme of things, and the thread has moved away from identification into speculation about methods and motives, your comparison of David Cameron and Henry Plantagenet made me notice a striking resemblance between both of their wives. The tomb effigy of Eleanor of Aquitaine shows remarkable similarities to Samantha Cameron:
Samantha Cameron
Eleanor
Whilst I understand your aversion to attributing characteristics to contemporary figures based upon their historical counterparts due to the nature of historical record I think it will serve a valid purpose, else why bother with clones in the first place? Remember: Cui bono? Someone always does.
I haven't had time to fully digest the pages of posts since my last appearance but I am slowly working my way through the posts and videos and am finding them extremely interesting so far.
Keep it up guys.
I apologise for the long gap since my original post. I had to go back to sea for a while.
While it's not really important in the grand scheme of things, and the thread has moved away from identification into speculation about methods and motives, your comparison of David Cameron and Henry Plantagenet made me notice a striking resemblance between both of their wives. The tomb effigy of Eleanor of Aquitaine shows remarkable similarities to Samantha Cameron:
Samantha Cameron
Eleanor
Whilst I understand your aversion to attributing characteristics to contemporary figures based upon their historical counterparts due to the nature of historical record I think it will serve a valid purpose, else why bother with clones in the first place? Remember: Cui bono? Someone always does.
I haven't had time to fully digest the pages of posts since my last appearance but I am slowly working my way through the posts and videos and am finding them extremely interesting so far.
Keep it up guys.
Originally posted by cheesyleps
While it's not really important in the grand scheme of things, and the thread has moved away from identification into speculation about methods and motives, your comparison of David Cameron and Henry Plantagenet made me notice a striking resemblance between both of their wives. The tomb effigy of Eleanor of Aquitaine shows remarkable similarities to Samantha Cameron:
Nope. Sorry. Eleanor was a tall, good-looking blonde.
Henry Plantagenet was one of the good guys, IMO.
By which sources? There is not considered to be a general consensus as to her hair and eyes whilst height is entirely relative. On average, people are
much taller now than they were in the 12th century. Aside from the hair, their facial features are remarkably similar though this is the one crux of
the theory that may be a problem. We are hard-wired to recognise patterns especially within faces and as such may simply read too much into it.
Henry Plantagenet as a good guy... very, very debateable.
Henry Plantagenet as a good guy... very, very debateable.
Originally posted by cheesyleps
By which sources? There is not considered to be a general consensus as to her hair and eyes whilst height is entirely relative. On average, people are much taller now than they were in the 12th century. Aside from the hair, their facial features are remarkably similar though this is the one crux of the theory that may be a problem. We are hard-wired to recognise patterns especially within faces and as such may simply read too much into it.
Henry Plantagenet as a good guy... very, very debateable.
Oh, really? Well, then go ahead & debate it. Give some reasons for why you think Henry II wasn't a good guy.
And as far as sources for Eleanor's looks, I don't remember. I've studied Henry II & Eleanor a lot over the years.
The idea of clones replacing important people certainly has merit. The technology surely goes past Dolly the sheep style stuff in high level labs.
An advantage if you knew a lot of people wanted you dead but you had to appear in front of them occasionally.
Would be handy too if you were an evil dictator for creating soldiers. They could be trained from "birth" to do whatever in a completely controlled environment.
No sending off letters if they die.
No need to record as a KIA on the statistics.
I reckon they must be doing something with humans. After all, the only thing really stopping them is ethics.
An advantage if you knew a lot of people wanted you dead but you had to appear in front of them occasionally.
Would be handy too if you were an evil dictator for creating soldiers. They could be trained from "birth" to do whatever in a completely controlled environment.
No sending off letters if they die.
No need to record as a KIA on the statistics.
I reckon they must be doing something with humans. After all, the only thing really stopping them is ethics.
Originally posted by NuclearPaul
The idea of clones replacing important people certainly has merit. The technology surely goes past Dolly the sheep style stuff in high level labs...
I reckon they must be doing something with humans. After all, the only thing really stopping them is ethics.
Hi Nuclear Paul,
You're quite right that the only thing stopping "them" from doing some dastardly deeds is ethics. Who are they, and do their ethics apply to beings they presumably consider to be inferior to them ? Are they The Illuminati, descendants of God's chosen people ? If so their ethics, if they have any, don't apply to the Sheeple. Are they Aliens, entities which are not human ? If so, do their ethics apply to what they probably consider a lesser species ?
"They have achieved control of the surface, through a mastery of genetics. Through control of the human gene pool. ."
Here, at minute 1:25 we can hear someone claim that the genetic manipulation of the human race has been undertaken by Alien Reptilians:
Draconian Reptilians
I'd never give this even a passing glimpse, had I not seen one myself. What they term one of the dominant class, with a very powerful body. There is still no way that I can agree or not whether the genetic manipulations of humanity are their doing, or if it isn't disinformation to hide the real culprits behind the Clone Conspiracy. Whether they can shift dimensions is not something to which I can attest.
But I can and do testify that these Reptilians do exist (there is at least one of them -- which I saw) and that it was here in material form, not some misty apparition or reminiscent form seen during some sort of hybrid human shapeshifting. The one I saw had nothing human other than the number and location of its appendages, it was real, very physical and material in this usual dimension of everyday perception. And it knocked the living daylights out of me to witness its presence. I stayed awake and lucid but was overcome with my own body exuding terror.
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Interesting, have you written about this encounter on ATS before? If not I'd be interested in hearing your account.
Keep up the good work guys
Interesting, have you written about this encounter on ATS before? If not I'd be interested in hearing your account.
Keep up the good work guys
Originally posted by TheLaughingGod
Interesting, have you written about this encounter on ATS before? If not I'd be interested in hearing your account.
Keep up the good work guys
Hi The Laughing God,
Actually, I haven't yet shared this experience for a variety of reasons. The first was utter shock at it happening. Life really wasn't nearly as enticing with the idea that such beings could actually exist right here on Earth. Also, I shared this story with a friend of mine who hosts an Alien website, and even he was more puzzled than anything... Finally, I told my brother who is far more into unusual theories than me, and he had a hard time believing me, insisting that from now on I take along a camera to confirm what I see. And he knows I'd never play games with him !
So I've taken some time to write up the moments of this experience as precisely as possible, so that without actual photographic documentation, at least others could know what I experienced, whether or not that is of any use to them. I actually think it will interest those most who have themselves had a similar experience, because it is so unsettling that it helps to know that we are not alone confronted with such a ‘hard to face’ reality.
Before posting this I was still waiting to ask those I had dinner with that same evening, about the exact date of their invitation, but since you asked here it is without the date. Also, I have not stated where this took place out of need to remain anonymous, but I can say it was downtown in a major European capital - amazing indeed when you read my account. Such a sighting would have stunned me in the most remote region of the planet, in my own neighborhood it simply floored me !
Urban Reptilian Sighting
It was approximately two and a half years ago, and I had just parked my car a few blocks from home and was walking back when I noticed a most unusual individual. It was 2:3O AM and he was walking down the middle of the divided city street on its wide center sidewalk lined with trees. I was walking in the opposite direction, on the left sidewalk. This was only a few blocks from my place so I was very familiar with the surroundings, and this made such a presence stand out even more because it was out of scale with my usual references.
He was of a height which I can only describe as « the tallest person I have ever seen ». He was considerably taller than a basketball player and had a broader figure, far more muscular and with wider shoulders and a tapered waist. I could tell this thanks to the sweat shirt and sweat pants he wore which wrapped his muscles in a very explicit way. He seemed thickly built although he towered in height, taller yet because his legs didn’t even look like they were extended fully. I first thought he had that posture in an attempt to partially conceal his great size, a hopeless endeavour.
At first I paused, hesitating to look further because I customarily avoid looking at people who are physically unusual, big or little people, those seriously handicapped or even famous celebrities or exceptionally beautiful women. This is out of courtesy because they must bear the gaze of others daily, and it carries a moral burden often becoming distressing to them. But this individual was sufficiently of another order, far beyond anything I had ever encountered, so I decided that I couldn’t turn away.
I had noticed him when he was about 500 feet away from me. Aside from his appearing very tall, the way he had necessarily entered the center band walkway was what I first found to be very strange. His brisk gate and speed of motion made it look as though he had started onto the divider lane sidewalk from the middle a busy intersection, rather than from one of the roadsides using the crosswalk. This was odd, because the sight of so tall a person would have caused cars to slam on their brakes and block traffic. But it may also have been logical, because there were still a few cafes open near those street corners.
Then as the distance separating us decreased to about 300 feet I became amazed by just how large he was, first thinking he must be the tallest basketball player I had ever seen. I’d seen some very tall basketball players, and found that they can be impressively big. I also had spent time in a sports shoe specialty store sizing up the largest basketball shoes and had marveled at their unusual dimensions. Living in a big city I had also occasionally seen people afflicted with thyroid illness and gigantism. But this was at another scale which I couldn’t come to grips with.
His stride was very rapid and although it was smooth and regular he didn’t appear to be rushing, but moved forward faster than I’d ever seen in a normal walk. Something struck me about his steps; he didn’t seem to walk normally. So I pondered on how he was walking, carefully observing his legs and posture. I noticed that he didn’t fall forward like we usually do as we walk - catching our fall with the next step we take. He was walking very fast but with an abnormal rhythm. The timing of his steps was regular, without a limp, but he seemed to be making continuous leaps with an enormous muscular mass thrusting his body smoothly forward. He remained upright and stable using his leg muscles to propel his body mass forward only removing his rear foot from the ground at the very last moment. So he was most of the time walking with both legs on the ground, very quickly and effortlessly bringing his rear leg to the front. Despite this he advanced gracefully, without his upper body leaning or moving vertically, and with all the motion compensation taking place in his legs. This was not a normal human stride.
He was distinctly masculine, which doesn’t correspond to the reports that reptilians are both male and female, it sure wasn’t “ladylike”. He was walking swiftly with an unusual pace and with noticeable athletic strength. He seemed to be larger because he was walking without completely stretching out his legs, which otherwise would make him even taller. I wondered if he was doing this, as tall people often do, to try to diminish the visibility of his great height. Also, he was hunched forward with a considerable bulge on his upper back, which made me think he was trying to remain as discrete as possible.
Even in proportion to his exceptional height, his shoulders were extremely broad and visibly very muscular as he wore a dark hooded sweatshirt which molded his shape. The width of his shoulders and tapering abdomen gave him a sharply triangular silhouette offset only by his thick muscular legs. He had more developed muscles than any body builder, not just in places – everywhere.
Also, the top of his back was humped and his upper body was slightly arched forward. I wondered whether he had a backpack under his sweatshirt, but saw that it was too high mounted to be anything hanging on straps. This bump on his upper back ma made him look slightly slumped forward, yet with such a posture he reached abnormally tall height: he was approximately 9-foot tall which, with his legs straightened, would make him as tall as a one story building. Once he was around 200 feet away it struck me, the small trees next to him looked like bushes – he was so tall that he had changed their scale.
Glancing at his legs I noticed that he was wearing black sweat pants larger than I could imagine would exist in any store. Yet, they seemed to be identical in fabrication and appearance to standard ones. He was also wearing white sport shoes with navy trim which were far bigger than the largest I had seen made for basketball players -- approximately double their overall volume. I wondered where they might have been made. Because any factory worker would have asked questions about pants or shoes that large. No person could ever be that size, although they seemed to be industrially produced and not hand tailored. I wondered if this meant that somebody had made an entire series of gigantic sizes for other beings of similar dimensions.
His sweatshirt had a hood which prevented the light from reflecting on his face, so from a distance I couldn’t distinguish his features. Then, as he got closer I noticed despite the obscurity that he a bright penetrating glare in his eyes. Around 150 feet away, I tried to discern his features to see what kind of man this must be and I was seized with terror. He exuded an impression of absolute danger, a sort of riveting electrical or magnetic energy, something I am at a loss of words to describe, having never before felt anything like it.
I cast my eyes on his face, the sides of which were for the most part hidden by the edge of his hood. I thought at first he was the “largest person I ever saw” until what happened next. While it had been an amazing sight, a person so incredibly large and physically powerful, it hadn’t dawned on me that it wouldn’t be human, I figured he was a sort of giant.
But upon looking intently at his features, which were not easily distinguished in the bluish haze of neon streetlamps, I noticed that under the cowl of his sweatshirt hood his lower face extended forward as it went down, not receding as customary below the nose. He had what I would term a dominant mouth extending past the nose and reflecting dark greenish brown with a leathery segmented texture. This seemed really strange and I looked above at his eyes set a couple of inches further back from what I can only refer to as his ‘snout’. Covered by the sweatshirt hood, his deep set dark red eyes glowed larger than golf balls. It was then that I suddenly realized… that such a being couldn’t be human… While the rest defied logic, I still didn’t know what to believe. But those EYES were striking, beaming their dark red color and looking around – they were real and a dead giveaway that he was definitely NOT human.
I was fascinated, intrigued and wanted to try to walk right past him to get a closer look, but became gripped with uncontrollable terror. It was not the fear I had known when I had been subjected to some of the most desperate treatments in human experience. No, it was far worse. It was neither the fear of inescapable suffering or of getting into irremediably deep trouble, of becoming a lost cause or anything else even remotely rational. It was as if my body had been taken over by some overpowering force taking control. I could tell by instinct that I could only die.
His quick and inordinately steady pace and impression of tremendous strength gave me chills. He was going in the opposite direction, without looking at me or walking towards me. I could see him from three quarter profile from the west sidewalk, while he moved south swiftly on the center sidewalk. He was approximately 100 feet away when I had to force myself to stop looking at him, out of fear of attracting his attention.
Then ensued my evasive manoeuvre which only took seconds. Every sense told me that I had better get away as swiftly and as discretely as possible, onto the side street to my left – hoping that he hadn’t seen me and that he wasn’t on to me spying him. My feet carried me resolutely to the side street and I found myself facing up against a building, not daring to look at him or anywhere but straight at the wall until he had passed the crossroad, to not attract his attention.
It wasn’t out of fear for his tall size, or out of some irrational fear of the unknown that I reacted, but because of the bodily sense of the presence of a terrifying physical danger which gave me an extreme impression of horror. One thing was certain, there was no escaping. My body revealed its awareness that this being had tremendous physical power as well as murderous intent.
The fear was physical and wrenching, and I guessed there must be a reason for it. Then I sensed the very strong and pervasive presence of the creature, because I confirm that this was not a human presence. I could sense his incredible strength beyond all known measure and could feel that he was noticing everything going on around him, including that he sensed that I knew he was there, hiding helplessly. I could also sense that he was so very deadly -- way beyond dangerous.
It seemed as though he must be some sort of deadly super warrior for which there could be no match, a “one man” army. The energy emanating from him made me feel that twenty of our strongest men would be brushed aside in a single gesture. The only reason I dared peek in his direction, as he passed my side street without turning his head, was to see if he was coming my way, but I tried to look without seeming to be looking, gasping and clenching my fists, hoping, against all odds, to survive.
I waited several minutes facing the wall, but it seemed like an eternity before I dared to even try to sense whether he was still nearby. Because I was sure that he’d know I’d tried to sense his presence. Fortunately, he was far enough away and I had survived what I can only call “a close call”. Shaken up but determined to get home and put this all behind me, I cautiously walked back to the main street, checking for any traces of him to my right, and then turning left to return home at a quick pace, all the time wondering how such a being could even exist, much less that he could be walking around at night in a bustling city. All I could imagine was that he must somehow live underground, because were he above the surface there would be major panic in the land.
It was the first time that I had felt such a presence of a predator far above us on the food scale, like an antelope before a lion. This shook my preconceptions as I had always assumed that mankind was at the top of the pecking order. My body showed me it had its own situational intelligence, putting me in panic mode to get me out of a tight spot. My mind however remained lucid and I wanted to know who or what it was. But a violent message came from my entire body to stop me in my tracks, something I never experienced before or after, a sense of absolute EVIL and a most serious concern that something of great consequence is being hidden from us by our governments.
[edit on 19-4-2010 by Getsmart]
If Stewart Swerdlow is a reliable source, something which I cannot know, here is in any case what he says of Reptilians. In this video he refers to a
type which sounds similar to the one I witnessed. "Higly volatile" was the terms he used, and I can vouch that the entity I saw sure seemed ready
to do just about anything nasty.
I cannot vouch either for any of his other theories just because he does refer to something which I saw with my own eyes. He does however refer to something very close to the 9-footer I saw and he says that it might have had some sort of belt-mounted holographic device to project a human appearance. I didn't see anything over the surface of his sweatshirt, but it could help explain how he got there unnoticed after crossing a major intersection.
Also, I doubt that these beings walk around us often, using a hologram to hide their ghastly appearance. My warning signal was a physical body reaction which would have probably happened even if he looked like Mother Goose. There was an overwhelming sense that he had just gone on a blood letting rampage. No special effects could mask that sort of negatively charged presence.
GS
I cannot vouch either for any of his other theories just because he does refer to something which I saw with my own eyes. He does however refer to something very close to the 9-footer I saw and he says that it might have had some sort of belt-mounted holographic device to project a human appearance. I didn't see anything over the surface of his sweatshirt, but it could help explain how he got there unnoticed after crossing a major intersection.
Also, I doubt that these beings walk around us often, using a hologram to hide their ghastly appearance. My warning signal was a physical body reaction which would have probably happened even if he looked like Mother Goose. There was an overwhelming sense that he had just gone on a blood letting rampage. No special effects could mask that sort of negatively charged presence.
GS
Fascinating subject. I have spent the last few days reading and looking at the videos.
Throughout this whole discussion, no mention of Julian Jaynes is made. His pivotal discoveries regarding consciousness are important to understanding the mechanism of control embedded in all humans and how it can be exploited to create a slave caste.
We shall term it "re-bicameralization" and it would result in the elite possessing the function of consciousness and the rest of the inhabitants of the planet existing as pliable and subjugated bicameral slaves. Sure the slaves would live, love, laugh, learn, but they would also toil ceaselessly or die willingly should the "voices" of the "gods" command it.
It may be that the elite wish to return the the Golden Age when only they possessed the function of consciousness and the rest of us lived purely bicameral lives unaware that time is a thing we can manipulate.
One cannot help but be disturbed when comparing the idols worshipped by ancient man to the current "alien" idols worshipped by modern man.
We cannot discount the possibility that the elite know this and have created bicameral clones! These clones would be human in every respect save for their inability to function without external guidance from the puppet masters.
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[edit on 21-4-2010 by mike_trivisonno]
Throughout this whole discussion, no mention of Julian Jaynes is made. His pivotal discoveries regarding consciousness are important to understanding the mechanism of control embedded in all humans and how it can be exploited to create a slave caste.
We shall term it "re-bicameralization" and it would result in the elite possessing the function of consciousness and the rest of the inhabitants of the planet existing as pliable and subjugated bicameral slaves. Sure the slaves would live, love, laugh, learn, but they would also toil ceaselessly or die willingly should the "voices" of the "gods" command it.
It may be that the elite wish to return the the Golden Age when only they possessed the function of consciousness and the rest of us lived purely bicameral lives unaware that time is a thing we can manipulate.
One cannot help but be disturbed when comparing the idols worshipped by ancient man to the current "alien" idols worshipped by modern man.
We cannot discount the possibility that the elite know this and have created bicameral clones! These clones would be human in every respect save for their inability to function without external guidance from the puppet masters.
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Hi Mike,
Thanks for contributing this most interesting reference to the thread.
Julian Jaynes seems to have proposed a number of theories about human nature and the structure and evolution of the human mind. It is also noteworthy that he has a postulate about human history which while controversial, rejoins the timeline of other theories about a "shift" in human nature dating back a few thousand years. Here is an excerpt from the introduction to The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind:
"a theory of the bicameral mind which holds that ancient peoples could not "think" as we do today and were therefore "unconscious," a result of the domination of the right hemisphere; only catastrophe forced mankind to "learn" consciousness, a product of human history and culture and one that issues from the brain's left hemisphere."
The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind
The alternative proposition that humanity wasn't the same as we are today goes back to Sumerian times where cuneiform tablets state that humanity was genetically modified by Gods descended from the sky. Whichever may be true, if one version is, it would imply that the human mind had a prior state which was far more akin to other mammals than to a higher being endowed with consciousness and developed thought.
I also find it interesting that Julian Jaynes would state that it was catastrophes such as those being widely predicted for 2012 which would have brought about the birth of consciousness of the human mind and its shift from a summarily distributed discourse between the subconscious order giver and the conscious order taker, towards an active role in creating the reality we evolve in.
Beyond the theory that humanity used to be far less developed than today, other theories also exist according to which we were genetically tweaked and bridled with a form of mental governor which prevents us from using 90 percent of our brain's capabilities. This, of course, might be a misconstruction by modern science which is still fledgling in understanding the nature of man. Also, who is to say that we never use the residual portion said to remain dormant. Possibly it serves for background processes, or even that it has a role in projecting our minds into physical and social reality, having an invisible incidence on events? Regardless, we are far from deciphering all the mysteries of the human essence.
Beyond the concept of bicameralization, I find that your own theory brings to light a developing trend of mass conditioning in a process which could effectively be termed "re-bicameralization". This dumbing down of populations by reducing their access to education and the quality of communication content does resemble an effort to re-bicameralize us. Also, the apparent intensification of Mind Control projects and its extension to mass media and propagandist entertainment show that there is a vocation to make humanity regress to a less lively intellectual state.
What bothers me is Julian Jaynes' theory is that his premise was that humanity's natural origins were less lofty than we are today, and that we could revert to this earlier natural state. I prefer to believe that we were probably capable of considerable abstract thinking in ancient times. All it takes is reading some of the philosophers of archaic Greece dating back 2500 years to ascertain that they could probably think circles around us.
What is uncomfortably convenient in his proposition, is that it explains the knowledge blackout dating before known literate civilizations as being due to an earlier primitive state. This assumes that at no time there was a widespread systematic elimination of all evidence of prior civilizations, although we know that the Alexandria library was burned down for that exact purpose. There remain many secret libraries, those of secret societies and those of the Vatican to name a few. What knowledge and history is kept away from our curious eyes in those locations is anyone's guess. My money is on something other than the historical timeline provided by Julian Jaynes.
I do agree that an age-old recurring dream of the ruling elite has been to dispose of a population of obedient devoted slaves. Whether bicameral or not, it appears that the Illuminati have advanced in this direction by using mind control to manipulate individuals as well as entire societies, and is working actively to design our replacement units once they get the hang of it and know which model clones they prefer.
We cannot heed enough your warning. While we eat genetically modified foods and find increasing uses for genetic engineering in our daily lives, we must take stalk of the probable use of that same technology to custom design lower castes of technicians, servants, administrators and warriors to blindly serve every whim of a "genetically improved ruling elite".
What the Illuminati have not yet come to realize, but would do well to meditate, is that they have a far greater chance in succeeding in dumbing down the masses than in improving their own breed. For there is something beyond genetics in them which is fundamentally flawed.
GS
Thanks for contributing this most interesting reference to the thread.
Julian Jaynes seems to have proposed a number of theories about human nature and the structure and evolution of the human mind. It is also noteworthy that he has a postulate about human history which while controversial, rejoins the timeline of other theories about a "shift" in human nature dating back a few thousand years. Here is an excerpt from the introduction to The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind:
"a theory of the bicameral mind which holds that ancient peoples could not "think" as we do today and were therefore "unconscious," a result of the domination of the right hemisphere; only catastrophe forced mankind to "learn" consciousness, a product of human history and culture and one that issues from the brain's left hemisphere."
The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind
The alternative proposition that humanity wasn't the same as we are today goes back to Sumerian times where cuneiform tablets state that humanity was genetically modified by Gods descended from the sky. Whichever may be true, if one version is, it would imply that the human mind had a prior state which was far more akin to other mammals than to a higher being endowed with consciousness and developed thought.
I also find it interesting that Julian Jaynes would state that it was catastrophes such as those being widely predicted for 2012 which would have brought about the birth of consciousness of the human mind and its shift from a summarily distributed discourse between the subconscious order giver and the conscious order taker, towards an active role in creating the reality we evolve in.
Beyond the theory that humanity used to be far less developed than today, other theories also exist according to which we were genetically tweaked and bridled with a form of mental governor which prevents us from using 90 percent of our brain's capabilities. This, of course, might be a misconstruction by modern science which is still fledgling in understanding the nature of man. Also, who is to say that we never use the residual portion said to remain dormant. Possibly it serves for background processes, or even that it has a role in projecting our minds into physical and social reality, having an invisible incidence on events? Regardless, we are far from deciphering all the mysteries of the human essence.
Beyond the concept of bicameralization, I find that your own theory brings to light a developing trend of mass conditioning in a process which could effectively be termed "re-bicameralization". This dumbing down of populations by reducing their access to education and the quality of communication content does resemble an effort to re-bicameralize us. Also, the apparent intensification of Mind Control projects and its extension to mass media and propagandist entertainment show that there is a vocation to make humanity regress to a less lively intellectual state.
What bothers me is Julian Jaynes' theory is that his premise was that humanity's natural origins were less lofty than we are today, and that we could revert to this earlier natural state. I prefer to believe that we were probably capable of considerable abstract thinking in ancient times. All it takes is reading some of the philosophers of archaic Greece dating back 2500 years to ascertain that they could probably think circles around us.
What is uncomfortably convenient in his proposition, is that it explains the knowledge blackout dating before known literate civilizations as being due to an earlier primitive state. This assumes that at no time there was a widespread systematic elimination of all evidence of prior civilizations, although we know that the Alexandria library was burned down for that exact purpose. There remain many secret libraries, those of secret societies and those of the Vatican to name a few. What knowledge and history is kept away from our curious eyes in those locations is anyone's guess. My money is on something other than the historical timeline provided by Julian Jaynes.
I do agree that an age-old recurring dream of the ruling elite has been to dispose of a population of obedient devoted slaves. Whether bicameral or not, it appears that the Illuminati have advanced in this direction by using mind control to manipulate individuals as well as entire societies, and is working actively to design our replacement units once they get the hang of it and know which model clones they prefer.
We cannot heed enough your warning. While we eat genetically modified foods and find increasing uses for genetic engineering in our daily lives, we must take stalk of the probable use of that same technology to custom design lower castes of technicians, servants, administrators and warriors to blindly serve every whim of a "genetically improved ruling elite".
What the Illuminati have not yet come to realize, but would do well to meditate, is that they have a far greater chance in succeeding in dumbing down the masses than in improving their own breed. For there is something beyond genetics in them which is fundamentally flawed.
GS
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Julian Jaynes' proposals are compelling. He is also enjoyable to read. His poetic style is refreshing and a clever twist on his own thinking. Many who have not read Jaynes are unaware that he was always careful to never step on the toes of GOD. He always left the question of creation/creator open, instead preferring to focus on the relatively short period of time when suddenly this wonderful function of consciousness pops on the scene.
This quote is a little inaccurate. Bicameral people lived, loved, thought, worked, and boy oh boy did they pray. Prayer was everything to bicameral man. What they did not posses was what we know as consciousness. Jaynes carefully goes through the things that consciousness is not. One is surprised to find just how little we are conscious of and how much of what we learn does not require this mysterious function.
[As an aside: I also think that until someone figures out how to give consciousness to machines, we will never achieve machine intelligence.]
What Jaynes makes clear is that the physical structures in the brain that make this flip between bicameral processes and consciousness possible are real and exist in every human being. Like a switch. Bicamerality seems inferior once one enjoys the gift of consciousness. To lose my mind-space and the little "Mike" who runs around in my head planning, reflecting, apologizing, regretting, and explaining would be devastating. But if there are actual physical structures in the human brain that can return us to a bicameral state, it is possible that someone will try to exploit them for...well...control
We should remember that bicameral man wants not for money.
This interesting to ponder. If we were created (emphasis here on created!) by GOD as he desired, according to his plan, or how he imaged us, then that would be our ideal state. The Children of GOD would live, love, prosper. But we would be bicameral. But we would not be bothered by it because we would know no other way. We would be in his sight and without sin, untampered with, pure. Until something comes along to tamper with that image.
And so, while bicamerality seems like a cage for the mind once one receives the gift of consciousness, it may be closer to our original, natural design. The image GOD made. And what could be loftier than being imaged directly from GOD and existing as that natural image? It is certainly worth thinking about.
It does explain it quite nicely. And again, Jaynes mainly focuses on the period of time when consciousness seems to first appear. Perhaps "first appears" is inaccurate. It may be better, in our case, to say "re-appears." If our history is as deep as many say, and if Jaynes is correct, then the structure in the human brain that give rise to bicamerality or consciousness may have be switched on or off at various times in the past. This would certainly give us the feeling that civilizations have been lost. If we existed in a bicameral state, we would not be conscious of the collapse, thus rendering the lost libraries valuable beyond measure and thus the goal of those who seek...well...control.
And here I will try to integrate this with the clones. This is highly speculative and unsupported by any evidence. Those who defied GOD, and gave The Children of GOD, the gift of consciousness, of good and evil, of past and future, would be the target of his wrath. It may be that "the elite" are actually the damned, the fallen ones. When they gave to us, this gift of consciousness, they ruined GOD's image and created an abomination. They flooded GOD with modified souls soiled with thoughts of mortality, money, control. And so, while we are no longer in the image of GOD, we are favored by him and will be cleansed and brought before him. And he will never allow another flood. He will never allow another modification of his design. Consciousness is it for the Children.
The defiers of GOD however suffer a fate worse. They will never be allowed in his sight. They now try to clone bodies, bond a soul to them, live and die, and hopefully sneak back into his sight. It hasn't worked and never will because he knows them all by name. I don't know who they are, reptiles, demons, but they are being punished by GOD.
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[edit on 23-4-2010 by mike_trivisonno]
Julian Jaynes' proposals are compelling. He is also enjoyable to read. His poetic style is refreshing and a clever twist on his own thinking. Many who have not read Jaynes are unaware that he was always careful to never step on the toes of GOD. He always left the question of creation/creator open, instead preferring to focus on the relatively short period of time when suddenly this wonderful function of consciousness pops on the scene.
"a theory of the bicameral mind which holds that ancient peoples could not "think" as we do today and were therefore "unconscious," a result of the domination of the right hemisphere; only catastrophe forced mankind to "learn" consciousness, a product of human history and culture and one that issues from the brain's left hemisphere."
This quote is a little inaccurate. Bicameral people lived, loved, thought, worked, and boy oh boy did they pray. Prayer was everything to bicameral man. What they did not posses was what we know as consciousness. Jaynes carefully goes through the things that consciousness is not. One is surprised to find just how little we are conscious of and how much of what we learn does not require this mysterious function.
[As an aside: I also think that until someone figures out how to give consciousness to machines, we will never achieve machine intelligence.]
Beyond the concept of bicameralization, I find that your own theory brings to light a developing trend of mass conditioning in a process which could effectively be termed "re-bicameralization". This dumbing down of populations by reducing their access to education and the quality of communication content does resemble an effort to re-bicameralize us. Also, the apparent intensification of Mind Control projects and its extension to mass media and propagandist entertainment show that there is a vocation to make humanity regress to a less lively intellectual state.
What Jaynes makes clear is that the physical structures in the brain that make this flip between bicameral processes and consciousness possible are real and exist in every human being. Like a switch. Bicamerality seems inferior once one enjoys the gift of consciousness. To lose my mind-space and the little "Mike" who runs around in my head planning, reflecting, apologizing, regretting, and explaining would be devastating. But if there are actual physical structures in the human brain that can return us to a bicameral state, it is possible that someone will try to exploit them for...well...control
We should remember that bicameral man wants not for money.
What bothers me is Julian Jaynes' theory is that his premise was that humanity's natural origins were less lofty than we are today, and that we could revert to this earlier natural state. I prefer to believe that we were probably capable of considerable abstract thinking in ancient times. All it takes is reading some of the philosophers of archaic Greece dating back 2500 years to ascertain that they could probably think circles around us.
This interesting to ponder. If we were created (emphasis here on created!) by GOD as he desired, according to his plan, or how he imaged us, then that would be our ideal state. The Children of GOD would live, love, prosper. But we would be bicameral. But we would not be bothered by it because we would know no other way. We would be in his sight and without sin, untampered with, pure. Until something comes along to tamper with that image.
And so, while bicamerality seems like a cage for the mind once one receives the gift of consciousness, it may be closer to our original, natural design. The image GOD made. And what could be loftier than being imaged directly from GOD and existing as that natural image? It is certainly worth thinking about.
What is uncomfortably convenient in his proposition, is that it explains the knowledge blackout dating before known literate civilizations as being due to an earlier primitive state. This assumes that at no time there was a widespread systematic elimination of all evidence of prior civilizations, although we know that the Alexandria library was burned down for that exact purpose. There remain many secret libraries, those of secret societies and those of the Vatican to name a few. What knowledge and history is kept away from our curious eyes in those locations is anyone's guess. My money is on something other than the historical timeline provided by Julian Jaynes.
It does explain it quite nicely. And again, Jaynes mainly focuses on the period of time when consciousness seems to first appear. Perhaps "first appears" is inaccurate. It may be better, in our case, to say "re-appears." If our history is as deep as many say, and if Jaynes is correct, then the structure in the human brain that give rise to bicamerality or consciousness may have be switched on or off at various times in the past. This would certainly give us the feeling that civilizations have been lost. If we existed in a bicameral state, we would not be conscious of the collapse, thus rendering the lost libraries valuable beyond measure and thus the goal of those who seek...well...control.
And here I will try to integrate this with the clones. This is highly speculative and unsupported by any evidence. Those who defied GOD, and gave The Children of GOD, the gift of consciousness, of good and evil, of past and future, would be the target of his wrath. It may be that "the elite" are actually the damned, the fallen ones. When they gave to us, this gift of consciousness, they ruined GOD's image and created an abomination. They flooded GOD with modified souls soiled with thoughts of mortality, money, control. And so, while we are no longer in the image of GOD, we are favored by him and will be cleansed and brought before him. And he will never allow another flood. He will never allow another modification of his design. Consciousness is it for the Children.
The defiers of GOD however suffer a fate worse. They will never be allowed in his sight. They now try to clone bodies, bond a soul to them, live and die, and hopefully sneak back into his sight. It hasn't worked and never will because he knows them all by name. I don't know who they are, reptiles, demons, but they are being punished by GOD.
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[edit on 23-4-2010 by mike_trivisonno]
It occurs to me that, as you pointed out, calamity on a planetary scale might be the mechanism by which The Fallen hope to modify the design again and
force humanity through massive stress, to again alter the functioning of our brains, giving rise to yet another method of introspection. Another flood
if you will.
While it may allows us to know even more, it will be further away from our original design and yet another abomination with which GOD will have to contend. Perhaps The Fallen feel that if they can force humanity to another level, they will be able to clone even better bodies in which to live and die and hopefully sneak back into his sight.
While it may allows us to know even more, it will be further away from our original design and yet another abomination with which GOD will have to contend. Perhaps The Fallen feel that if they can force humanity to another level, they will be able to clone even better bodies in which to live and die and hopefully sneak back into his sight.
Originally posted by mike_trivisonno
And so, while bicamerality seems like a cage for the mind once one receives the gift of consciousness, it may be closer to our original, natural design. The image GOD made. And what could be loftier than being imaged directly from GOD and existing as that natural image? It is certainly worth thinking about.
[edit on 23-4-2010 by mike_trivisonno]
This is a detour, I believe.
Bad back, balding, poor teeth: not much of a god really.
Interesting book however and gives pause for thought, but I don't buy the 'god' aspect.
Not sure if you've looked into the unfortunately named Peter Beter" recordings. Peter had a monthly audio cassette from the late 70s and early 80s.
As I recall, it was shortly after he started to talk about clone presidents that he died. The audio cassettes are online.
Originally posted by ReelView
Not sure if you've looked into the unfortunately named Peter Beter" recordings. Peter had a monthly audio cassette from the late 70s and early 80s. As I recall, it was shortly after he started to talk about clone presidents that he died. The audio cassettes are online.
Beter talked about organic robotoids as replacements for Carter, Kissinger, Mondale, etc.
Here's the index of his Audio Letters. 44, 45, 47, & 48 talk about doubles.
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