new film "The Fourth Kind" - disinformation?

reply to post by cosmicpixie

No, you're absolutely right. In my post I was referring to the abduction scenarios themselves. I guess I was going into a little too much detail, sort of missing what he originally said. We have to sort of theorize here what would lead to the outcomes we've heard of, though. Clearly in instances such as this one something went wrong on the squad's side. The storyteller wasn't hit by the white light, and he was able to sort of see behind the scenes and verify the soldier who was part of it. So these slip ups seem to be blessing in disguises because this is a way to verify that the operation is a MILAB. For some people it would be the only way because for those who aren't able to penetrate the different types of abductions simply by going through it, we know that soldiers are involved - so something's fishy.

reply to post by Daisy-Lola

I see why you would've liked to see a more broader topic as the thread. My reasons were that I work in news and I usually like to discuss ongoing events while simultaneously outlining a current, relatable example. The event was - as you said - the discrediting Hollywood does to extraterrestrial contact. This is what my thread is about, I just chose to include a more 'current' headline, if you will. I really did mean what I said when I couldn't care less about the movie. The bigger picture is - once again as you said - the subliminal instillation of fear through cinema and multimedia. So I apologize for you finding this thread useless just because I did that.

The movie looks interesting... As being a fan of any ufo influenced movie i'll watch it.

Greys....
Interesting creature really.
Dangerous? They could be, their intentions are quite unknown.
They are sentient, but it also stops there, they have no feelings whatsoever.

Visitations from them are scary to say the least.
Just imagine, the terror you would feel if you wake up, with someone standing over you and your bed looking at you, now that doesn't have to be a Grey being to scare you.

Then they force the victim to forget the whole incident, not in a very good way because they traumatize the victim to forget it.
Not something i would like to experience myself, really!
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And then we have other abductions blamed on military personnel(?).
This i dont understand, why would they abduct normal people and terrorize them?
For what reason?
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And Milla isn't that hot....

Aside from children movies (like E.T.), aliens are typically seen as meddlers or diabolical fiends of destruction or mass genocide of humans (Independence Day and War of the Worlds).

So this movie fits in more with the disinformation of any agenda the government and mainstream society benefactors may have in continuing this general dislike we have on extraterrestrials.

The only extraterrestrial movie that I've seen that hasn't been in this general trend is District Nine, because it properly illustrated the evil nature of human beings and how we really would interact with extraterrestrials that didn't have the upper-hand.

What you should question is why would the media, government, and mainstream society benefactors want us (the grind meat from a Pink Floyd Video) to dislike extraterrestrials?

Why would they want to create a movie intended to scare us about extraterrestrials?

I'll let you, the observers, create your own analysis and conclusion.

reply to post by DrainMaster


Well that's already been answered as you may see from my previous posts.

reply to post by drac88


The commercials for the film are showing every few minutes. It looks worse and worse and not even Adrienne Barbeau as she looked in THE SWAMP THING could save it. Milla doesn't stand a chance. I mute the tv and continue doing what I was doing.

reply to post by Skeptical Ed


Awesome reference

You know Swamp Thing was so underrated. I even loved the second one. And of course, Heather Locklear competes.

reply to post by drac88


Well, going through a list of films, featuring aliens in one guise or another meeting with humans, I've actually concluded that the majority of films are in fact neither positive or negative, and are actually more neutral.
The majority of the films do in fact feature both good and bad aliens (e.g. Star Trek has both Vulcans & Klingons)
Alf I considered positive, even though he ate cats

The list of the films is from here:
Wiki- films featuring extraterrestrials

Why Wall-E is listed I don't know, I don't remember seeing an alien in it

So not counting the films that I haven't seen (or Wall-E), I counted :
-----Positive 30
-----Negative 51
-----Neutral 73

So the Positive encounters are in last place, with Neutral in first.
If you add just the negative films, as per your thread, then you find negative alien interaction is dumped far behind.

I can supply a list of my findings, but it would take two posts to do

I've also come to the conclusion that I watch far too many films

Originally posted by drac88
reply to post by DrainMaster

 

Well that's already been answered as you may see from my previous posts.

Actually you seem more like hinting at the fishy nature than actually answering it. At least at your most previous posts directly above mine.

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Originally posted by Daisy-Lola
reply to post by drac88

 

Well, going through a list of films, featuring aliens in one guise or another meeting with humans, I've actually concluded that the majority of films are in fact neither positive or negative, and are actually more neutral.
The majority of the films do in fact feature both good and bad aliens (e.g. Star Trek has both Vulcans & Klingons)
Alf I considered positive, even though he ate cats

The list of the films is from here:
Wiki- films featuring extraterrestrials

Why Wall-E is listed I don't know, I don't remember seeing an alien in it

So not counting the films that I haven't seen (or Wall-E), I counted :
-----Positive 30
-----Negative 51
-----Neutral 73

So the Positive encounters are in last place, with Neutral in first.
If you add just the negative films, as per your thread, then you find negative alien interaction is dumped far behind.

I can supply a list of my findings, but it would take two posts to do

I've also come to the conclusion that I watch far too many films

Each reference or existence of an evil alien of any type holds twice as much impact over our mentality than a good alien would have. Come on, we all know there ain't any good news on TV and there is a reason why. We pay attention more to the bad things than we do to the good.

So think of it like this:

30 x -1 = -30
51 x 2 = 102
73 x 1/2 = 36.5

Adding them together you would get.

108.5 being the overall theme of disproportionate dislike generated towards aliens.

It doesn't really matter how neutral they try to make the films or how many good alien films they try to make. What really matters is how much we are affected by any presence of evil extraterrestrials even in films as neutral as Star Trek and Star Wars.

[edit on 28-10-2009 by DrainMaster]

Originally posted by DrainMaster

It doesn't really matter how neutral they try to make the films or how many good alien films they try to make. What really matters is how much we are affected by any presence of evil extraterrestrials even in films as neutral as Star Trek and Star Wars.

[edit on 28-10-2009 by DrainMaster]

I guess it true what they say..

...Good guys always finish last!

I just saw this movie last night, and thanks to all the scare I couldnt sleep last night. The footage shown on the movie looks and feels real, but I also have my hand on the fence just in case I need to jump back over. Some of the footage is disturbing and begs the question, is it really real? Would they show this in a movie? I too feel that there isnt an over population of "bad" aliens, but I guess thats really up to the believer.

reply to post by DrainMaster

It is true that we are more interested in bad things than in good.
When id get a good grade in school parents wouldn't say anything but if id happen to get a bad grade all hell would break loose

My gut tells me that the 4th kind is yet another fear-based ET movie. They're taking the fear angle as usual, leaving out any and all accounts of positive ET encounters/experiences. Adverts are just in time for Halloween. I don't think there's been a positive ET movie out of Hollywood since Contact in 96-97.

Originally posted by NightVision
I don't think there's been a positive ET movie out of Hollywood since Contact in 96-97.

Knowing was positive, as was Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, Superman Returns and K-pax and Muppets from Space

I guess Lifted was, it certainly was cute

... I mean they never showed you what they were going to do to him once they got him aboard. Maybe they were to give him a message of peace, with a cup of coffee and a slice of cake or ask him about his crop circles

Originally posted by drac88
DISCLAIMER 1: This is not a thread about how good the movie looks, or how hot Milla Jovovich is.

DISCLAIMER 2: I don't want to hear anything about how great it is that this movie has 'real archived' footage, because it doesn't. Anyone who really believes that footage shown in the trailer is real needs to get their eyes checked. It may be based on real 'events' (obviously I recognize that abductions have happened) but that doesn't mean the footage you see is legitimate.

DISCLAIMER 3: This is not a debate whether ETs are 100% benevolent or not. As far as my knowledge and research goes, I do not believe in malevolent extra terrestrials. It's been proven to me that those negative abduction experiences are and have to be - government controlled MILABS. (if you don't know what that is by now, go search up on it and come back to this thread. But basically, they involve frightening experiences with beings that are NOT from outer space.)

DISCLAIMER 4: I know there is already a topic on this movie, but I want this thread to be different - and about a very particular discussion, as you can see from my previous disclaimers.

So, on to the topic of discussion. The trailer depicts obviously a story revolving around very negative abduction experiences. I really hope this isn't just some horror movie that will end up inducing fear of ETs into the minds of movie goers. That being said, it's also possible this movie will go in a totally different direction, to end up having a surprise twist that will actually clarify the government's involvement with the negative abductions, and how unrelated they are from actual ETs. That would be quite an enlightening thing to show in a hollywood movie.

To sum that last paragraph up, this movie could go both ways. I hope the writer/director actually did their research free of mainstream sources because this movie has the potential to be really eye opening. However there's a huge possibility (since it's clearly a horror film) that it will depict ETs as evil and harmful. This is just not good. We need LESS hollywood movies doing this.

"A remarkable movie that boggles the mind and changes your opinion on UFOs."

-Larry King (Larry King Live)

If this film is going to be as profound as to 'change people's opinions on UFOs', I SURE AS HELL HOPE that it's for the better. But since this movie is backed with supposed actual events that appear to be extremely frightening and harmful, it also has the power to induce a heavy subconscious fear of aliens in movie-goers.
When the Blair Witch Project came out it was extremely well done (considering the budget and concept) and innovative for it's time. Not to mention it succeeded in scaring half the country into ever going into the woods again. I know every kid my age was petrified of the woods. These are the kinds of subconscious fears the movies can instill in our minds. For people who don't know right from wrong regarding UFOs, 'The Fourth Kind' could be pretty detrimental for the time being.

I hope I'm not sounding outlandish with this post, but ever since I first saw the trailer I keep saying to myself "this better not be yet ANOTHER disinformation film". And like I said, it could go both ways. Let's hope it goes the right way. I'm definitely going to see it because I'm curious as to see what either 'garbage' or 'gold' these filmmakers have created.

Please, discuss this with me.

[edit on 24-10-2009 by drac88]

[edit on 24-10-2009 by drac88]

Please refer to this topic www.abovetopsecret.com...

do I have to be the one to rain on everyones parade.

No this is actually part of a disclosure project to measure peoples reactions kind of a social experiement.

YES there is high levels of UFO activity in Alaska, and yes it is scary.

Want to know something scarier?

PINE GAP.... not even the australian government knows what goes on there.
only DSTO on a Classfied level.

Originally posted by Daisy-Lola

Knowing was positive, as was Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, Superman Returns and K-pax and Muppets from Space

I stand corrected.

I was thinking more a long the lines of ET movie's that are based on real testimony.

Wasn't "Knowing" about synchronicity, rather than ET's?

K-Pax was pretty cool.

I just won two pre-screening tickets to a private Atlanta showing tomorrow night (Thursday October 29) at midnight. Can't wait!

Disinformation????

WTF is your premis for the question? It's a movie, a story, art, etc..

Didn't they teach you the difference between reallity and make believe in school? Home schooled maybe...

Originally posted by Jauqx
Disinformation????

WTF is your premis for the question? It's a movie, a story, art, etc..

Didn't they teach you the difference between reallity and make believe in school? Home schooled maybe...

The movie is based off a testimony from real people and events. Research, friend. Research.

Originally posted by Armour For Victor
I just saw this movie last night, and thanks to all the scare I couldnt sleep last night. The footage shown on the movie looks and feels real, but I also have my hand on the fence just in case I need to jump back over. Some of the footage is disturbing and begs the question, is it really real? Would they show this in a movie? I too feel that there isnt an over population of "bad" aliens, but I guess thats really up to the believer.

Did you see the Blair Witch Project? Did you think that was real?

It wasn't. It was just filmed to look like a documentary and was promoted the same way. But if you want to believe it is real, that is up to you.