new film "The Fourth Kind" - disinformation?

Milla Jovovich is hot! yea

It looks really creepy and makes me want to watch.. if thats the real "Dr" at the start she looks dreadfully ill....

www.youtube.com...
the HD trailer for those that havent seen it... be warned if it's late at night like here in the UK and the speakers are up rather loud... i suggest you turn it down

reply to post by Martindoolittle

Great contribution. That's what I was hoping to hear. And yes, we'll have to wait and see how well rounded the movie's coverage of this phenomenon turns out to be. For a person like you, you probably more than anyone would love to see a legitimate interpretation of it. For me, I can just speak for anyone who knows the true nature of abductions.

To OP - check this week release Astro boy..

A animation movie that end (at 10 sec from the end) Alien invasion.

reply to post by drac88

If this film is going to be as profound as to 'change people's opinions on UFOs', I SURE AS HELL HOPE that it's for the better. But since this movie is backed with supposed actual events that appear to be extremely frightening and harmful, it also has the power to induce a heavy subconscious fear of aliens in movie-goers.
When the Blair Witch Project came out it was extremely well done (considering the budget and concept) and innovative for it's time. Not to mention it succeeded in scaring half the country into ever going into the woods again. I know every kid my age was petrified of the woods. These are the kinds of subconscious fears the movies can instill in our minds. For people who don't know right from wrong regarding UFOs, 'The Fourth Kind' could be pretty detrimental for the time being.

Definitely. A noteworthy mention also goes to Jaws. I can't speak for anyone else, but I know that movie killed beach attendance in my country for years. For me personally also, I used to get creeped out when swimming in the sea or a deep lake. I don't swim much anymore, but the subconscious fear would still be there if I did.

As for this movie, as you said it's going to be a horror movie. It could be that horror is the only acceptable format that the movie can be presented in. The movie could still contain a meaningful message despite that. Like if it turned out the aliens in the movie are motivated to do good, their appearance and methods is weird and scary enough to make a decent horror movie. Provided you don't find out their motives until the end of the movie that is

Regardless, it's good at least that Sci-fi is going a little bit more mainstream, keeping the public consciousness on the ET subject is good for exposure I guess.

Originally posted by drac88
I guess I should've added a 5th Disclaimer.

DISCLAIMER 5: When I say this film may be 'disinformation' I fully acknowledge that the creators are doing it innocently and with no intention of anything more than making an interesting film. I'm not trying to argue any conspiracies there, there really is nothing to argue. People do it without knowing what they're even doing - Innocently.

All I wanted to discuss is the current situation regarding the public's view and how it's subconscious is being set up for fear from a subject where no fear has been proven to even attribute to.

Yes, Skeptical Ed I know it's a hollywood movie and what I mean by disinformation, clearly refers to that which is 'accidental' and innocent.

Your DISCLAIMER 5 is appreciated but the creators may not be doing it innocently either. I don't mean that they set out to do any kind of scaring conciously or unconsciously. They were probably betting that because the subjects of UFOs and aliens (and abductions) based on the millions of books, TV movies and shows, documentaries, etc., that it is a fertile field to exploit. I wouldn't be surprised, having participated with script writing groups, that they were throwing ideas back and forth and some could have been over the top humorous bits which were not included.

Any way, I don't think that there is any setting up by anyone for anything except to try and produce a feature film that won't be considered schlock and get panned by the critics and, hopefully, they'll be wearing tuxedos at the next Academy Awards. Based on what I've read and seen, it will create a bit of a stir but will be replaced by the next feature in the works.

Originally posted by Skeptical Ed

Any way, I don't think that there is any setting up by anyone for anything except to try and produce a feature film that won't be considered schlock and get panned by the critics and, hopefully, they'll be wearing tuxedos at the next Academy Awards.

Are you serious or is this meant as a joke? I mean the previews I have seen look like the worst kind of schlock to me - I mean this qualifies as an 11 on the schlock scale. Academy award material? Have you even seen the movie? Maybe we should hold the accolades and praise until the movie has been released?

I'm sure this is nothing more than an effort to make money by playing on the ruse that this is "based on reality" when it looks like there is no connection with any real abduction incidents that has been revealed so far. As someone said, it is horror created out of the imagination of a scriptwriter after maybe reading something about an alien abduction. They are just promoting it to make some people believe it is based on "real incidents". And as so many entertainment promoters know, there is a sucker born every minute.

Originally posted by bluestreak53

Originally posted by Skeptical Ed

Any way, I don't think that there is any setting up by anyone for anything except to try and produce a feature film that won't be considered schlock and get panned by the critics and, hopefully, they'll be wearing tuxedos at the next Academy Awards.

Are you serious or is this meant as a joke? I mean the previews I have seen look like the worst kind of schlock to me - I mean this qualifies as an 11 on the schlock scale. Academy award material? Have you even seen the movie? Maybe we should hold the accolades and praise until the movie has been released?

I'm sure this is nothing more than an effort to make money by playing on the ruse that this is "based on reality" when it looks like there is no connection with any real abduction incidents that has been revealed so far. As someone said, it is horror created out of the imagination of a scriptwriter after maybe reading something about an alien abduction. They are just promoting it to make some people believe it is based on "real incidents". And as so many entertainment promoters know, there is a sucker born every minute.

I had been highly critical of something that others already hold high because of their beliefs in ETH. So I thought that in my next reply I would hold back and offer some kind of not-so-negative comment sticking to production details.

However, the movie may be well made but the material is the problem for us who feel different about it and I sort-of agree with you. I didn't mean that I think it's going to be Academy Award material. I meant to say that perhaps the producers are already thinking so.

Originally posted by Lazyninja
Regardless, it's good at least that Sci-fi is going a little bit more mainstream, keeping the public consciousness on the ET subject is good for exposure I guess.

Are you being serious..?! Sci-fi is like THE mainstream, we get like 20 new sci fi movies a year, Larry King has UFOs every like month, Space channel, every cartoon, EVERYthing as a kid had aliens - we didnt need to 'believe' it was just accepted fact to us!! Marvin the martian, superman, X-men fought aliens, Spiderman had the alien symbiote, power rangers fought aliens, Robotech, War of the Worlds, ET, Independence Day, I dunno need I go on? You get the picture... if anything there is a conspiracy to make people BELIEVE in aliens!! I know I sure as hell did as a kid.

I don't swim much anymore, but the subconscious fear would still be there if I did.

For most people it is a fear of unknown, not that (say) Jaws will get you, just knowing what *could* be out there.
It is not unfounded just expanded. You are right to be afraid of something not in control of (like the ocean) but just your mind overthinking on possibility, not probability.
The phrase 'fear makes the wolf look bigger' comes to mind!

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There is one rather obvious point that has made me personally doubt they are MILABS and that's the fact that the figures seen often wear military garb - if it was the military doing this then why on Earth would they draw attention to themselves by wearing clothing that makes them so easily identifiable, knowing full well rather a lot of people get comprehensive recall of their experience under hypnosis so would then "point the finger" at them. If these events were really something insitgated by humans then logically they would NOT draw attention to that fact in any way. Seems more like an implanted vision to me, with the ETs wanting to throw scent off themselves which isn't surprising given the bad press the greys usually get.

I have seen the trailer a few times and I get the impression that this unknown scare hook will make it big news, I soon to expect more copycat type films to be released. I will watch the movie when it is released but until then I will just observe its momentum.

The demonic angle is typical and can be mis-represented as demons are just forces ov energy. ?Is our Sun evil, ?is electricity evil. I am sure the film will tap into the fear and grip the minds ov the less informed.

Originally posted by Skeptical Ed
However, the movie may be well made but the material is the problem for us who feel different about it and I sort-of agree with you. I didn't mean that I think it's going to be Academy Award material. I meant to say that perhaps the producers are already thinking so.

I see your point. The producers do what they can to get a "hook" to entice audiences. The "hook" in this case is to use some of the techniques used by producers of the "Blair Witch Project" to entice audiences by:

- ooo "scary scary" trailers
- suggestions that the film is at least partially based on documentary footage (when in fact the whole thing is just filmed in a style to look like an amateur made documentary).

reply to post by cosmicpixie

The abduction squads involve military personell, yes - but none of them are ever seen by the abductee. They operate behind the scenes, basically.
Like you said, they possess the technological means to implant a vision in our brain, psychotronically. That doesn't mean the abductee wasn't in the presence of anyone (or anything). In most instances, the alien grays that appear in military-executed abductions are in fact artificial biological life forms that are meant to be ETs, but really aren't. They're made from the same genetic material but aren't legitimate aliens. These are the beings that appear in the abduction visions, not military outfitted personnel. As you said, that would be a stupid move, which is why they don't do it.

The "ARV" is what will give it away. 'Alien Reproduction Vehicles' are literally fake UFOs. Companies that work on these systems: Lockheed Martin, Northrup, E-Systems, and FAIC. Most MILAB accounts will start from a very immobile, low-hovering 'ufo' hanging completely still in the trees. If it's not an illuminating fast moving ship, it's probably not from outer space.

What's even more messed up is who is targetted. Often people who have actually had a real ET abduction will then be targetted for military abduction. This is so they can confuse the person into not knowing what to believe about the subject. It's very dangerous.

I just hope that we all recognize the gravity of the situation. The frightening abductions and cattle mutilations have been orchestrated by the military in order to discredit the peaceful ETs. Now with all this fear in the minds of the public, they can condition people to not want to make contact with aliens, and instead be willing to fight them.

People do make a lot of money from war. And if military spending is at trillions of dollars right now, how are they going to make more? There needs to be a bigger war. And now since EVERYBODY's got nuclear weapons now, there's nothing we can further do on this planet. We just wouldn't benefit from it anymore. So we gotta move out into space. Ronald Reagan even said "Wouldn't our task of creating world unity and peace be easier if we had a common alien threat to unite against and fight?" There is an attempt going on to slowly condition people to be willing to fight ETs. Fighting them would not only be an unnecessarily primal and ignorant thing to do, but it would threaten our place in the cosmic order. It's very serious and this is why I take this topic seriously enough to start a thread like this.

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I'm definitely going to see it because I'm curious as to see what either 'garbage' or 'gold' these filmmakers have created.

How can we discuss a film that has not been released yet?
No-one here has seen it, just the trailers, and the trailers could be the best part of the film. The rest of the film could be her shuffling paperwork and picking her nose, or it could be a gripping tale, or a good story made to look real, or even based on actual events. The thread is pointless

Best way to view this film, as far I'm concerned, is to take a box of popcorn and soft drink into the theater, watch it all through (without walking out half-way because YOU think its wrong), THEN AND ONLY THEN give us your view on the film

No point in trying to guess whats in the box, when all you have to do is open it!

reply to post by Daisy-Lola

This thread is pointless? Did you read any of my posts? Do you know why I'm discussing the movie? Read them and then tell me there's no point in discussing this.

If you read my first post you'd know that I couldn't care less about the movie itself. What I do care about is what movies like this do to the public. And on the topic of extra terrestrials, our current time is very crucial to the embracing of truth on this matter.

You've inputted nothing with your post, and if that's what you want to do then please don't post in my thread.

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Just curious here, but how have you come to the conclusion that they pose no threat to the ordered structure of the human species. ?

Are you implying that due to their higher or should i say, longer time wise evolution scale, that, that alone would dismiss any hostile intentions. Or have you simply felt comfortable in dismissing the endless experiments we do upon native earth species in the name of science.

Originally posted by tristar
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ordered structure of the human species

What ordered structure? Look at the crisis our planet is in and then see how that might look from a higher beings' point of view. WE are the hostile ones, not them.

Am I comfortable dismissing experiments we do? Whatever you mean by that, you're coming at me from the wrong direction. You have to remember one thing here: We're talking about extra terrestrials, not human beings. I'm dismissing nothing, I'm just not talking about the aliens as if they're primates like we are. I don't know why you're coming at this subject from such an anthropocentric view.

What you need to recognize is that our planet must seem like a real life 'hell' to advanced civilizations. Hostility, tribalism, and racism are things that we embody because of our short-comings in peace and spirituality. The ETs embody this spirituality on such a grand level that most human beings wouldn't even understand.

So basically you can't look at the ETs with an anthropocentric view. Or better yet, you simply can't judge them by what WE have done as human beings, because they're not human. If they're human then we're monkies, you see? They know way better than we do. The "experiments" that one would experience in a real ET abduction are probably nothing more than a check-up or a tissue/seamen extraction. (They need our genetic material to help their race, I could elaborate on that if necessary)
The check-up however would be simply to see how our race is doing - make sure we're healthy, physically, mentally, biologically, chemically, check out or fertility and infertility - it's their way on checking up on the human race. After all they are watching over us making sure we head in the right direction. The whole reason they came here in the first place was because we started using nuclear weapons the same time we started going into space. To them, we became a possible threat to the cosmic order by having our technology evolve faster than our intelligence and social acceptance. That's why they decided to stop by and see what's going on.

Anyway I'm getting a bit off topic I think, but I hope that answered your question.

I guess nobody reads full posts anymore because I stated in the first post that I didn't want to argue about Good ETs VS Bad ETs. But whatever. I guess this is just something else to talk about.

Originally posted by drac88

Originally posted by tristar
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ordered structure of the human species

What ordered structure? Look at the crisis our planet is in and then see how that might look from a higher beings' point of view. WE are the hostile ones, not them.

What you assume is a constant crisis is exactly what ordered structure is. The human species and evolution relies on such a structure for it to advance. Through every major event mostly war orientated, did the human species advance leap fold. Are you beginning to see a recognizable pattern here. ?

Am I comfortable dismissing experiments we do? Whatever you mean by that, you're coming at me from the wrong direction. You have to remember one thing here: We're talking about extra terrestrials, not human beings. I'm dismissing nothing, I'm just not talking about the aliens as if they're primates like we are. I don't know why you're coming at this subject from such an anthropocentric view.

I am coming at you from the direction which you choose to provide your disclaimers and a link to a movie which can be interpreted in more way than one. I am indeed coming at your from anthropocentric view because you do not realize that we are doing identical experiments to earth bound species for genetic testing and cataloging. Many of those experiments, or so called data collecting and cataloging to some seem barbaric to others its pure science, it all depends on how educated (advanced) the viewer is. Are you beginning to see a pattern here. ?

What you need to recognize is that our planet must seem like a real life 'hell' to advanced civilizations. Hostility, tribalism, and racism are things that we embody because of our short-comings in peace and spirituality. The ETs embody this spirituality on such a grand level that most human beings wouldn't even understand.

I do recognizing that our planet hosts many forms of species and that this planet has two separate wolds within it and that the common link between these two worlds which this planet hosts has one common link. That link being Oxygen, not counting solar energy as it is not hosted by this planet.

The ET's as you wish to call them are far more intrigued as to why one species managed to dominate all the rest while occupying the least amount of mass on this planet. So given that we have shown every other non earth life form that we are capable of destruction and annihilation of a species, what makes you believe or conceive that the scouts visiting us are here with a message of peace and tranquility.

All this talk of disclosure is the beginning and the end of the natural ordered structure however barbaric this may seem to you. You are fully aware of so many conspiracy theories that arise as to why all the nations across this world all have one common agenda. That is, not to disclose the existence of another life from....officially.

So basically you can't look at the ETs with an anthropocentric view. Or better yet, you simply can't judge them by what WE have done as human beings, because they're not human. If they're human then we're monkies, you see? They know way better than we do. The "experiments" that one would experience in a real ET abduction are probably nothing more than a check-up or a tissue/seamen extraction. (They need our genetic material to help their race, I could elaborate on that if necessary)

I am looking at et's as an earth bound species who's natural instinct is survival. Anything after that is man made and imposed for the benefit of the few. If your theory of us being monkey's and "it" being a higher advanced and peaceful species, why is their so called "abduction are performed without the consent of the earth bound species. Lets face it, we have more genetic material stored in banks and we do poses the ability to communicate and we also do posses the ability to defend, yet "it" chooses to abduct rather than ask. So i ask you, how peaceful are you assuming they are again ?.

The check-up however would be simply to see how our race is doing - make sure we're healthy, physically, mentally, biologically, chemically, check out or fertility and infertility - it's their way on checking up on the human race. After all they are watching over us making sure we head in the right direction. The whole reason they came here in the first place was because we started using nuclear weapons the same time we started going into space. To them, we became a possible threat to the cosmic order by having our technology evolve faster than our intelligence and social acceptance. That's why they decided to stop by and see what's going on.

So your suggesting that these watchers are here for our benefit. So in fact if they see a possible threat to the balance at hand they can obviously as they have done in the past impose themselves as "Gods" and do as they wish as they have done in the past. The difference with past was that then, the human species was an uneducated life form. The present indicates that we will not accept another life from as a governing authority of our own species.

So i guess there so called "check up" is nothing more than visiting, distinguishing at what level would one require if the need arose to make this earth bound species close to extinct. Does this sound familiar ?

Anyway I'm getting a bit off topic I think, but I hope that answered your question.

I guess nobody reads full posts anymore because I stated in the first post that I didn't want to argue about Good ETs VS Bad ETs. But whatever. I guess this is just something else to talk about.

Oh i do read posts, but the moment i see posts which state that these entity's are of goodwill and nature is as close to the truth as me and you being related.

Originally posted by drac88
reply to post by Daisy-Lola

 

This thread is pointless? Did you read any of my posts? Do you know why I'm discussing the movie? Read them and then tell me there's no point in discussing this.

If you read my first post you'd know that I couldn't care less about the movie itself. What I do care about is what movies like this do to the public. And on the topic of extra terrestrials, our current time is very crucial to the embracing of truth on this matter.

I have read you're thread. It is pointless
You made your opinion clear at the beginning "it could go both ways". Your words not mine. Therefore your trying to fathom out a film and its impact before the film is released. You say you "couldn't care less about the movie itself", but you use it as the the establishing shot for your thread, even in the title, so that's a contradiction, if you didn't care about the film, why even mention it? You could have created this thread about the negative impact that Hollywood likes to bestow upon possible alien contact, but you didn't. You chose this particular film
Wait for the film, watch it, then decide what the impact is.

Originally posted by drac88
You've inputted nothing with your post, and if that's what you want to do then please don't post in my thread.

The input is that your thread is pointless. I've contributed the fact that time will tell and not to 2nd guess the future
If you don't want people posting in your thread, don't post on a public forum!

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Hmmm, there are an awful lot of abducetees who state they saw humans in militray garb, were taken to places with a military feel, were interrogated by humans etc......

Quite a Few Stories Here

It is these kinds of abduction scenarios that spurred the whole MILABS theory wasn't it ?

I'll look into it all more but given the MILABS concept has been essentially created because of abductees reporting these kinds of military figures to begin with it seems very suspicious to me - if the phenomena of alien abductions was mostly down to nefarious human beings I very much doubt ANY chances would be taken so one has to ask WHY the hell are so many abductees reporting SEEING human beings in military clothes ? It really smacks more of the ETs wanting to shift attention away from themselves onto humans and if this is indeed the case then it would surely prove an excellent ploy as the public would not be so fast to judge or fear the greys which is exactly what they might be counting on.

But as I said, I will keep an open mind and read into it all alot more.