US Swine Flu 'National Emergency'

Dont get it!

That all I have to say!

So... America is the only country under a national emergency? Or did I miss something? Also, you notice they do this AFTER they start handing out the vaccine - especially the nasal one... It truly saddens me that people can't see what is black and white right in front of their faces.

And to those of you that say things like "the media is downplaying this..."

How many people do YOU know that have died from this, or even been hospitalized? Or even, how many people do you know that know someone that has had severe complications with anything other than the vaccine? Please, let me know, I would really appreciate it. I mean, I pretty much have my mind made up as to what side I am on in this, but there is *just enough* information saying that there is a problem to make that annoying damned voice in the back of my head say "Maybe, just maybe..."

I found the drive through injection very amusing.

Hey you don't even need to leave your car and if driving is a problem, just give us a call and well come straight to you and if your hungry we can also drive through a McDonald's and pick you up a Big Mac and Fries.

I think most of you are missing the significance of the National Emergency Declaration. This is not "business as usual". It is an extraordinary declaration that has been made only a few times in history. The declaration of State or Local Emergencies are regular occurances...but not "National" emergencies.

This event has been seriously "under-reported" by the media, and its importance has been seriously "under-estimated" even by members of ATS. Such a declaration serves more than just to provide a "heads-up" to the population at large. It is a formal declaration, sent to Congress, that establishmes FEMA as the principal governing body during the emergency, which has been given extraordinary powers by a whole pleortha of presidential orders and decrees.

These powers are ennumerated in another thread on this site: www.abovetopsecret.com...
but are worth repeating here.

FEMA was created in a series of Executive Orders. A Presidential Executive Order, whether Constitutional or not, becomes law simply by its publication in the Federal Registry. Congress is by-passed.

Here are just a few Executive Orders associated with FEMA that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been on record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen:


•EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

•EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

•EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

•EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to seize all means of transportation, including personal cars, trucks or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports, and waterways.

•EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

•EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

•EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

•EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

•EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

•EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

•EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

•EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

•EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.

•EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.

Given these extraordinary and non-Constitutional powers, if you think the declaration of a National Emergency is trivial, then you need to think again. It "sets the stage" for a complete "take over" by the Executive Branch of every aspect of American life--about which neither you, nor I, nor Congress can have any say so whatsoever.

reply to post by ecoparity


Is nothing but a hoax, do you know what mass hysteria is? when people are geared by propaganda to believe that something is going to kill them or make them so sick that they will need medical attention and the hysteria actually makes them feel the symptoms of something that is not there?

That is what is happening more often than not when people show up in hospitals feeling sick.

What happen to Mexico? anybody here hear anything from Mexico anymore? where are the mass graves from all the death from the swine flu, after all it came from Mexico, right? or that is what we have been told..

I Guess the Mexico swine flu is not longer a problem and they did it without mass vaccinations for a year..

People tend to have very short time memories.

We are bailing out the big pharma at the expenses of our children and the unborn, thanks to mass hysteria.

reply to post by Angiras


Star!!

Wow....Executive order 11004 sounds pretty much like FEMA/CONCENTRATION camps to me.....

reply to post by marg6043


Where exactly are you getting the impression the virus is a hoax? Alex Jones? When I see a lot of bold print proclamations with nothing to back them up I get the Jones vibe big time.

The influenza virus is seasonal. The first wave came through Mexico and the US outside of the flu season and still did pretty well for itself. A lot of people died in Mexico prior to the big media attention and the Mexico City outbreak, I have absolutely no doubt that those deaths took place and that they were covered up. I have a family member who is the absolute highest level source on this.

I don't associate mass hysteria hoaxes with cover ups and media under reporting / non reporting, in fact I would go in the opposite direction completely.

The mass hysteria and hyping I see is by the section of the CT community who insists the entire event is a population control / mass extermination conspiracy.

I pass on info on the pandemic even when I personally don't believe it. I laid out two scenarios - either the emergency is real and the conspiracy is one of hiding the truth for the sake of the economy and keeping order

or

the threat is not real and the declared emergency is a lie.

I did not state which of the two I believe -but- the hospitals and ERs in my area are busy, schools are canceling classes on a constant basis and I know a couple of dozen people who have had or currently have the virus.

I won't be getting the vaccine because of the squalene in it, period. If I feel its needed I will get the nasal vaccine, however.

I would never tell anyone else what to do in that regard. Personally, even if I agreed with you that the virus is a hoax I would not be able to tell people to avoid the vaccine without solid proof. I've seen the case for a conspiracy and though I find it disturbing in some ways its a very long ways from being solid proof of anything.

If you convince someone close to you to skip the vaccine and they end up dying from the virus will you be able to live with that? I sure wouldn't.

It still amazes me how fast the American sheeple run with their tails between their legs when the government yells fire.

With a death count in the hundreds over many months blamed on this swine flu it's now an "emergency" - whoopee! The annual influenza kills tens of thousands in the U.S. alone, every single year, and I never heard more than a "just remember to get your flu shot" at the end of any msm "news" program in my whole life. The very young, very old, mothers-to-be, and immune-system compromised individuals have always been the worst off with regard to influenza and now they're pushing this "extreme threat" from Swine Flu to get vaccinated - B.S.!

Gotta love this character from the CDC, Anne Schuchat, with her "Oh so concerned for the public" rhetoric and facial expressions close to coming to tears. Too many people believe whatever they hear on tv without doing their own research. So much attention given to this Swine Flu and its vaccine - chock full of misinformation along with the lack of information on the make-up of today's vaccines and their overall risks. People are just so incredibly ignorant and/or lazy to investigate before they expose themselves and their fetuses to dangerous heavy metals and chemicals that I doubt the American people's integrity and intelligence.

My father had the Swine Flu this past summer. It took a week to pass with a moderate fever, aches, and lethargy the same as any flu virus incurs and he's fine. Two other people my family knows also had the same thing. It's all being statistically counted as "Swine Flu" (the nurse practitioner my dad saw at that time told him that) or whatever this virus really is. Many times more people have died from drunk drivers and from disease because they had no medical insurance than from this virus over the last half year and I don't see a national emergency being declared from those fatalities.

It's all just another lying crock of spit!

reply to post by ecoparity


No, my dear don't get me wrong, people gets sick every year, for many reasons, people in America at least last two generations have been increasingly become asthmatics.

Asthma is in the raise, if you get sick with a cold, seasonal flu or the swine flu, yes you may have complications specially children that are the raising groups of asthma sufferers right now.

The Hoax is not that the swine flu doesn't exist, we know it has been around for decades I know the history of the swine flu very well the hoax is the propaganda that is pouring people into getting vaccinations that actually will not do anything to either stop the swine flu like vaccinations for seasonal will not stop you from getting the flu either.

That is the hoax.

People will get the swine flu want it or not with vaccinations or not.

That is nature, the hoax is the mass vaccinations for a vaccine that can do more damage than good.

Sorry if I sounded a littler bit pushy.

Still Mexico real count of the death from swine flu were in the beginning hyper out, at the end the cases that actually were tested from swine flu were incredible lower than previously told.

That is why you don't get to hear anything about Mexico anymore, I guess is not good for big pharma to let people know how Mexico go over the swine flu without vaccines.

People are going to die, from flu as they do every year and that is nothing we can stop, but the propaganda about the death is what it can be stop so people doesn't go into mass hysteria.

But that is not possible because that type of propaganda is what brings profits in the pockets all those behind the flu vaccines.

reply to post by marg6043


Do you realize how conflicted your position is?

In your earlier post your challenging people to name even one person they know has had the virus and now you say you know it exists and that people are getting it and will continue to do so.

If the virus is a hoax and the idea is to spread mass hysteria and panic then why is the media not reporting the truth and why are the various govt agencies involved all doing their best to under report the number of cases including fatalities?

The Mexico City cases were not lowered via testing, for starters the test they were using was not capable of detecting the virus. The numbers were lowered because they were told to reduce panic and stop killing the
tourism trade.

I've spoken with several Doctors in Mexico who were willing to be quite a bit more honest about the high number of deaths as long as they knew you were not a reporter. A large number of deaths in Mexico were the result of secondary infections of pneumonia following the virus. The exact same pattern of understating the number of infected and dead took place in Argentina and other Central and South American Countries.

I can't say how bad the virus will or won't be but I'm not forming an opinion based on second hand information and unsupported sources. My concern with the various conspiracies floating around are that most of them have absolutely no evidence.

I also have yet to hear a rational explanation for why the CDC and WHO have consistently hidden the real statistics in favor of downplaying the pandemic means the goal is to spread hype and mass hysteria. Thats a very contradictory theory, IMO.

reply to post by ecoparity


No, is no conflicting just appeasing my personal feelings on the situation, yes people doesn't remember that the swine flu is not new, we already went through the same propaganda and hype during the 1976 out brake.

I was 16 in 1976, I remember

This is real, this happen before and all behind the hype back in the 1976 that ended in fiasco for the mass vaccination are the same people behind the pandemic of today.

From the WHO, to big pharma and even our government, history doesn't lie.

In todays society millions of dollars has been used for the sole purpose to bring people into the hysteria that they without the swine flu shots will die, or that their children will die or that the unborn will die. But what the big propaganda machine is not telling is that the vaccine they are using may caused death and paralysis like back in 1976.

What they don't tell is if that the swine flu has been around for a long time decades.

I never tell anybody no to get vaccinated, but like I always say I will wait to see the result of this time around mass vaccination before rolling my sleeves.

I think the world has gone nuts. I can't believe people think this is a hoax.
My bosses daughter in New York is deathly sick. Temp is 104. They gave her antibiotics and sent her home.
12 cases confirmed in a school system close to me. Dr.'s are not aloud to tell you how many confirmed cases they have. Hospitals won't do tests to confirm unless your insurance will cover it.
An as far as vaccines go, my son has never had an issue. I think some children have adverse affects because of their genetic makeup. The only
vaccine my littlte one didn't have was the chicken pox. My pediatritian recommended against it.
OUR GOVERMENT SUCKS !!!!!
We do have an Epidemic and they are going to sell us out as usual.
Sorry, I'm out of breath.

One Nation Under God...............

Witch

[edit on 28-10-2009 by witchof43]

Ok, I admit to not reading all the pages of posts, however.......

Now that Obama has declared a national emergency over the swine flu (I "believe" this has been confirmed).

What HAS he done with these new powers.

I honestly have yet to hear/read anything he has done with these emergency powers.

If he has not, what is he planning to do, if he were not going to use the power, why declare national emergency?

What are we to make of this? -

The New York Times

Less than two months after ascending to the United States Senate, Barack Obama bought more than $50,000 worth of stock in two speculative companies whose major investors included some of his biggest political donors.

One of the companies was a biotech concern that was starting to develop a drug to treat avian flu. In March 2005, two weeks after buying about $5,000 of its shares, Mr. Obama took the lead in a legislative push for more federal spending to battle the disease.

More at source

(Acknowledgements to Stormdancer777 - taken from this post.)


[edit to add:]

Too few in US seek flu treatment, CDC says

WASHINGTON, Oct 30 (Reuters) - Only half of the people in the United States who most need immediate treatment for H1N1 swine flu are actually seeking it, even as the virus spreads at unprecedented speed, U.S. health officials said on Friday.

The latest count shows 114 children have been killed by the virus in the United States since April, during a time when there is usually virtually no influenza, said U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Thomas Frieden.

And while President Barack Obama expressed frustration over vaccine delays, analysts said his credibility was at risk if vaccination did not start to go more smoothly.

[edit on 31/10/09 by pause4thought]

Just a little review about what's going on over here:

The inoculation here in Germany started last monday. The first people, who were called, were the policemen, fire fighters and people, who work for health care. Still only few people let themselves vaccinate.

Even our new Minister for Health preferred to let himself vaccinate against the normal autumn flu, saying this one was much more dangerous than the swine flu.

Meanwhile the number of deads has increased to six. This is still a small number, compared to more than 25.000 infections since April - most of those are well and healthy now.

Today they report of four people, who died in Sweden after the inoculation. They only had two, who died of the swine flu yet. Now they are examining, how this could happen.


[edit on 31-10-2009 by Siddharta]

Look the threat is being UNDERSTATED! I did a little math. Six months ago H1N1 killed 1 kid for every 14000 infected in the US as of Oct 18, if you use figures from Bloomberg article, it's now 2500 to 1 and growing exponentially at a rate of 1.5 timer per month.

Well, do the math!


bloomberg

I hope I am wrong, but I used their numbers and equations I learned in Immunology and bio quant courses from college.

We have to watch it, of course.

And I think, we are lucky, that we can exchange informations around the world now that easily.

This gives us the possibility to avoid useless panic and/or to warn each other, when it really gets serious.