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Originally posted by whaaa
Originally posted by treemanx
If "We the People" became a multi-billion dollar corporation, we would have had bailout money to pay our past due bills and buy a new house for our families. We would have the voice again, that we used to have at the founding of this country.
You forgot something. Not everyone in America during it settling and founding had a voice.
en.wikipedia.org...
In America the hard work was done by slaves who had no voice.
Originally posted by djusdjus
It is already any soldiers prerogative to not carry out an order that is unlawful.
If the order is shown to be lawful, and the soldier fails to carry it out, then it is they who are in err and shall face the consequences of their insubordination.
I don't know what the rule is for police. But I wouldn't want anybody working in teh services on my tax dollar to be insubordinate.
If those guys and gals don't like their president, they should just quit. They can't follow orders and question orders? They don't belong in a military, para-military or police force. Period.
Originally posted by djusdjus
Yes because all soldiers and civil office holders are experts in constitutional law and will immediately recognize when they are being ordered unlawfully?
That's a ridiculous assumption. So, do they at least have experts in constitutional law guiding their organization or is this a bunch of orly taitz types disguising their bigotry and racist attitudes with this?
When, notice I didn't say "if", the time comes there has to be a point that we go from refusing to obey orders to actually DEFENDING the Constitution. I hope and pray that I have enough wisdom to descern when its that time.
Originally posted by seeashrink
reply to post by ItIsWhatItIs
I honesly do not mean any disrespect but seems to be a naive answer. Voting and calling attention to the canidates you want in office is like pissing in the ocean and then checking the sea level to see if it rose any, unless of course your last name is Rockafella or Roschild, or you are a major player in the corporate world. Voting today and getting involved in your canidate does not ressemble anything our forefathers had in mind.
seeashrink
Originally posted by chise61
reply to post by djusdjus
You make a valid point, however there are some basics that our military and LEO's do not need a constitutional lawyer to tell them are illegal. They don't need lawyers to tell them that disarming the American puiblic, carrying out military exercises on the American public, etc are unconstitutional.
Originally posted by seeashrink
reply to post by noconsequence
Are you saying that the Oath Keepers will become Obama's civilian defense force??