Disappointed with ATS.

Originally posted by sparrowstail

"Until the color of a man's skin is of no more significance
than the color of his eyes, there'll be always war."

But the color of the eyes *is* significant. Everyone knows that blue eyes are the most beautiful (gray and light green also count, in that order of preference). What are you talking about?

ATS is headed for the same arena as rense.com. the moderators need to take a stand.

Originally posted by Udanax
ATS is headed for the same arena as rense.com. the moderators need to take a stand.

More thread slide! Stay on topic please.

Originally posted by lightchild
reply to post by SpookHunter

 

I don't want to go off topic or derail the thread.
But I feel it is related.

Most of the racism and hate seems to come from the growing numbers of USA citizens visiting ATS.
This has only started since the economy has taken a turn for the worst, it's easy to point the finger and blame outsiders when you have problems.

And you have been doing exactly what?

Creating divisive rhetoric and attempting to group all "USA" people and all "Rest of the world people" into two groups. Way to make sweeping generalizations.

Then you suggest segregating them.

Then you act as if this is a good thing.

I believe you are 100% guilty of what you condemn. .

Segregation based on GEOGRAPHY is freaking retarded.

I like ATS the way it is. Where everyones allowed to have a chance.

Originally posted by lightchild
I think ATS should be divided into 2.

Part 1 - USA
Part 2 - Rest of the world

Thats just stupid

We are supposed to be denying ignorance...not promoting it

OP - what a load of crap.

I have been here for ages - I RARELY if EVER see anything racist on ATS.

What the hell are you talking about? Or did you just need more flags?

EDIT: I love a girl to have caramel skin - though white is nice - hmm, so is gold - what the hell - she can have green skin so long as she's got nice t-ts!

[edit on 18-10-2009 by Amagnon]

Allow me to paraphrase

Until the color of a mans skin or eyes are of no more significance than the color of his SUV Lexus, there will always be.......

reply to post by Pathos

We are fighting a new war my friend. Its called government-corporate-media corruption, and everyone in those three arenas are contributing to it. Everyone.

Yes and the real big issue they use to divide us is Socialism vs Capitalism, when it is actually "corporatism" vs "Wage Slave"

For the "socialists" the corporatists controlled media blames "capitalism" for the "capitalists" the controlled media blames "socialism" Make no mistake our media became a propaganda tool of the bankers in 1917 according U.S. Congressman Oscar Callaway. 1917 statement in the Congressional Record. link

Socialist make the mistake of thinking bankers and Corporations Execs are Capitalists, they are not, they want their brand of socialism. “What unites the many different forms of Socialism.. is the conception that socialism (or a reasonable facsimile thereof) must be handed down to the grateful masses in one form or another, by a ruling elite which is not subject to their control...” link The Corporate/banker cartel have found socialism very useful in manipulating political activists as they set up their economic empire.

Until Americans open up their eyes and realize their desire to help their fellow man is being used to enslave him instead we are doomed.

Sanchoearlyjones gives an excellent example of how the Corporate/banker cartel twists our good intentions. "I remember for years my brother chose not to see the light of day, and it was his very employer who should him. He worked for the EPA in oil field site inspections. Consistently he was tasked with fining, and shutting down mom, and pop outfits, but consistently was ordered to leave the big boys like Exxon Mobil alone."

Ex-Meatpacker John Munsell and Attorney Bill Marler (link) show how the July 1996 Major re-structuring of USDA food policies to meet international HACCP standards allows Corporations to sell USDA approved products contaminated with feces thereby committing murder and causing severe suffering by sickening thousands every year many of whom are children.

Efforts of Food inspectors to bring the problems with HACCP to USDA management's attention were ignored according to the Apr 17, 2008 Testimony of Mr. Stan Painter, Chairman, National Joint Council of Food Inspection Locals: (The USDA later called Mr Painter a liar)

"It (the recall of Hallmark/Westland Meat) highlights one of the problems that we have attempted to raise with the agency ever since 1996 when the Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Points (HACCP) inspection system was put in place. There seems to be too much reliance on an honor system for the industry to police itself. While the USDA investigation is still on going at Hallmark/Westland, a couple of facts have emerged that point to a system that can be gamed by those who want to break the law. It (HACCP) shifted the responsibility for food safety over to the companies." Congressional Investigation

In December 2004 Mr. Painter's Union and the Japenese filed a Freedom of Information Act request. In August 2005 Over 1000 non-compliance reports – weighing some 16 pounds -- were turned over. RESULT: Mr Munsell lost his third generation business, no one was fired, no one was jailed and the US Congress in response is going to drown small farmers and backyard gardeners in red tape forcing them out of business so corporations can snap up their land cheap.


In A Talk by G. Edward Griffin, Griffin gives the details of how the Cartel writes appealing bills, has them sponsored by neutral parties (the democrats) and then amends the laws to twist them into exactly what they want. The Federal Reserve Act has been amended by over 200 subsequent laws until a private cartel with no government oversight now controls our economy.

Unfortunately I doubt we can undo the brainwashing done by out education system and media before Obama and Congress deliberately bankrupt the USA leaving our citizens to the tender mercies of the International Monetary Fund's

Under a Structural Adjustment Programs a country is "required to devalue their currency; dramatically cut spending on social services, medical care and education; eliminate barriers to foreign multinationals and trade; privatize national assets; deregulate business; decrease wages; restrict credit and raise interest rates. Due to the radical reorganization of national economies, people in "SAPed" countries often pay for their governments' loans with extreme poverty, hunger and disease. "

Summer 1995
"Today I resigned from the staff of the International Monetary Fund after over 12 years, and after 1000 days of official fund work in the field, hawking your medicine and your bag of tricks to governments and to peoples in Latin America and the Caribbean and Africa. To me, resignation is a priceless liberation, for with it I have taken the first big step to that place where I may hope to wash my hands of what in my mind's eye is the blood of millions of poor and starving peoples. Mr. Camdessus, the blood is so much, you know, it runs in rivers. It dries up too; it cakes all over me; sometimes I feel that there is not enough soap in the whole world to cleanse me from the things that I did do in your name and in the name of your predecessors, and under your official seal. "

With those words, Davison Budhoo, a senior economist with the International Monetary Fund (IMF) for more than 12 years, publicly resigned in May, 1988. A native Grenadian, Budhoo received his degree from the London School of Economics. He joined the staff of the World Bank in 1966 and later shifted to the IMF, where he was responsible for designing and implementing Structural Adjustment Programs (SAPs) for African, Latin American and Caribbean nations. His 100-plus page open letter to Michel Camdessus, managing director of the IMF, titled "Enough is Enough," sent shock waves around the world, making front page headlines in many countries (but not in the US).

Budhoo was the first person to break the IMF's code of silence regarding internal affairs by exposing extensive statistical fraud carried out by the fund...
Mr. Budhoo's Bombshell

AS you can see I have figured out what is going on the only thing I can do to combat it is try and tell other people. Yesterday I found out G. Edward Griffin is doing more. He has a web blog called RealityZone where he complies what he calls Unfiltered News. - certainly a site of interest to us at ATS. Also he has a link to a group called Freedom Force International who I have yet to look into. I am real paranoid about "groups" because so many of them are run by the Cartel to sucker those who see the problem and want to do something.

Checkout the list of groups like Greenpeace, Sierra club, Friends of the Constitution, Consumers Union, Organic Consumers Assoc. and Center for Food Safety that the Rockefeller's Fund and you can see why I am now paranoid. Center for Food Safety and Organic Consumers Assoc. are the ones promoting the "Food Safety" bills designed to give US farming to the international Corporations.

reply to post by Merriman Weir


Good on yer - well said. Actually from down here you raise a thread and everyone else in the world is asleep so eventually you turn in for the night only to find people wonder why the OP is not around. Next day your thread is dead and buried - so why bother. Just saying how I feel!!!

There have been countless threads lately criticizing ATS also asking ATS to allow a "thumbs down" option which of course would be easily exploited by nsa blog teams to bury important stories.

I see these racism threads as mostly being stared by members that are relatively new to the site. People who have only been members for about a year or so.

That being said i think this is a sign of the tide shifting at ATS and the establishment not liking it. Once upon a time ATS was limited to establishment supported and condoned theories and mysteries like Bigfoot and Spaceships. TPTB love threads and discussions on those things because they don't threaten thier control or rule over us.

When 9/11 threads became very prevalent on ATS there were easily more that half ATSers thought it was bogus and that the official story was the correct one. These days it is hard to find any post that defends the official story sure many don't think it was an inside job but almost no one bleives it went down like the gov't said.

Nowadays ATS has become more relevant than ever controversial subjects that although polarizing are very important to provide because the mainstream doesn't tell us anything and discussions are limited to a talking head from the right and one from the left and they shout at each other.

Here at ATS the wise ones know that there is no left and right and that it is a sham and that this constant mentioning of race is being used to actually create racial tension rather than stop them.

I don't read many racist posts here tbh because the mods would remove them so i don't really know what the TS is trying to say the only place i see racial discussions and sour comments are in threads like this.

I believe NSA paid bloggers are trying to infiltrate this site and turn everything into a race issue like they do in the MSM in order to distract us because they know this site is no longer harmless Bigfoot talk.

It won't work we will continue to expose puppet presidents whether they are black or white we will continue to expose false flags and eugenics and all the sour disgusting things the elite do to us and silly threads like this designed to cause division and arguments will vanish into the nether.

reply to post by Republican08


I have never considered race an issue because I was raised to see a human, not a color.

I have to say I have rarely experienced reverse racism being white. One of the days I was working in a hospital as a Security Officer it happened though, as a black woman was brought in as a psychiatric patient due to her mental instability.

I will describe the event to the best of my ability, but please know the above statement of her mental instability had nothing to do with me, that was what the event unfolded into.

One morning I was working First Shift and dispatch at the hospital called asking Security to come to the Emergency Room ramp to escort a prisoner with Law Enforcement to bring in a Baker Act patient, a Form 52, which is a psychiatric patient, mentally unstable and needing assistance. Being that the hospital is in a lower income area we as Security Officer's knew by the dispatcher's request for assistance as well as the call itself that this was a violent patient, because it is common to assist Law Enforcement, but not all the time.

I reported to the Emergency Room entrance to see one of the local Police cruiser's pulled up and hearing screaming, the person in the back of the car yelling abusive, foul language, names, everything she could think of to abuse the three Police Officer's who were bringing her into the hospital, and she was in handcuffs as well. I just watched in wide-eyed fascination at this woman's behavior because it was yet another drama unfolding which Security has to deal with on an almost daily basis.

The other two Security Officer's showed up, and I had taken lead by bring a wheelchair to have the woman sitting in, in order to wheel her into the hospital instead of her walking, according to protocol, this made dealing with a forceful and aggressive patient easier and more control for the entire process.

She is screaming at this point as I am asking the Police Officer's what was going on, how they were doing, the usual banter, and this woman is screaming at the top of her lungs that she has been kidnapped by Law Enforcement, that she wants her handcuffs off, crying, verbally bashing everyone present. She was if you have not figured it out by this time, an older black woman, older being she was probably forty-five to fifty years old (I was thirty-four, I'm thirty-six now) and she is screaming, pleading, begging to have the handcuffs taken off of her and demanding her rights to have them off and refusing to be taken into the hospital with them on.

I look at each of the Officer's to confirm whether we were going into the hospital like this and they confirmed it by a nod or verbal ascent, and one stated the handcuffs were not coming off of the woman until she was in a room. I explained to the woman in a quite calm voice, having to ask her several times to calm down and that Law Enforcement was not taking off the handcuffs.

The three Police Officer's were of course, all white men, one of the other Security Officer's and myself were white, and the last Security Officer was a lightly skinned black man.

Just letting you know race had an issue, not to me, but to the woman who was violent.

I rolled her into the Emergency Room and the woman is screaming, begging for assistance from just about everyone, screaming she has been kidnapped, and as I was wheeling her past the Emergency Room nurses station all the doctors and nurses were staring at her and looking at me and the other Security Officer's and Police Officer's and the looks on their faces told me everything, they felt sympathy for her and for us having to deal with her violent, abusive, and disruptive behavior.

It is at this time that I heard the senior Police Officer telling a nurse he had been bitten although I had seen the blood I had not had a chance to ask him due to speaking in calm and reassuring tones to this woman, and as I rolled her past the nurses station, she began sticking her feet out trying to grab things to slow my progress of taking her to a room.

I was patient and untangled her feet and continued rolling her towards Room 2, one of the rooms designated at that time as a Bake Act room, meaning it was a room set up for strapping down non-compliant/violent patients when necessary.

As I rolled her into the room and set the brake devices so the wheelchair could not roll, the two junior Police Officer's who had accompanied their prisoner to the room along with us Security Officer's stepped in and lifted her unceremoniously from the wheelchair and up onto the bed and shoved her up further on the bed. The woman is still screaming the whole time, using foul language, I had continually asked her to stop, in a calm and reassuring tone of voice, explaining as calmly as possible that there were children present as well as other adult patients present and that she was being disruptive, and scaring the people around her with her behavior.

She's calling all of us white people, the two Police Officer's and Security Officer's, honky's, and screaming at the black Security Officer for him being an Uncle Tom. Basically for anyone who does not know, that phrase is an insult from one black person to another for someone who they have felt has betrayed their own race.

The woman is taken out of her handcuffs and I had rolled the wheelchair out of the room both for comfort sake to make it easier to move around the room, and as well so it could not be grabbed by her to use as a weapon. Yes, patient's often try to grab anything, and use them as a weapon.

The woman is calming down some at this point and I am standing just outside the door and the two junior Police Officer's are watching her, and as they both, simultaneously, turn their back on her, she leaps off the bed, threatening to kick both of their (her words coming here) lilly white butts (last word was not butt) and I do believe full well she meant this at the time because she had convinced me she was uncooperative. She had after all bitten the other Officer who was getting checked out elsewhere.

The other two Security Officer's had gone off to do something at this time, leaving myself with two Police Officer's to deal with this lady, but I got on the radio and requested assistance, to help with her, and I got a confirmation from both Security Officer's that they were en-route.

Before this had even happened though both Police Officer's had pulled out their tazers and were pointing them at this woman, explaining to her they would shoot her with them, ordering her to get back on the bed, or they would be forced to fire, and both men were literally three feet away from her, the room being small as Hell.

Remember, I had rolled the wheelchair out of the room, so I was outside of the room.

I considered, briefly, of trying to step in to distract her, part of our training is to distract a violent patient, but to me this was a no-go because of the drawn tazers, as well as the limited space in the room, this particular tactic could not work here and not only that but I could just see the woman not falling for it and myself being shot with a tazer in the process of these fine Law Enforcement Officer's trying to knock her down.

I did what any smart man would do in this situation.

I took one step back.

The woman backed down, finally, and the rest of the Emergency Room staff, as well as the other Security Officer's stepped in and we put her in four-point leather restraints, a procedure I absolutely hate doing to another human being, but in this instance it was necessary.

As she was strapped down in those four-point leather restraints, they administered a chemical restraint, in other words, drugs from the medical necessity of calming her down because at this point she is screaming again at everyone.

It is all white staff, except the one black Security Officer, not by any choice, it just happened that way.

By the time she is restrained, the Police Officer's step out, releasing her to Security, mainly me, because the protocol was for one Security Officer to watch any and all Baker Act's, while the others go on patrol, make rounds, etc.

The lady is still screaming abusive language, this time at just me, the Police Officer's had released her to us, having signed the Form 52 documents in order for her to receive psychiatric care.

This had gone on for a good half hour, the total elapsed time from receiving her at the Emergency Room entrance/ramp until the time she was four-point leather restrained/chemically restrained.

She is still wired as Hell, assuming that she was on an adrenaline high.

Being a caring individual that I am, I try asking her politely, still, to calm down, quit the abusive language, and explain to her if she calms down that I can take her down to two-point leather restraints if she demonstrates cooperative behavior, standard operating procedure for the hospital.

Still, she continues cursing at me, using foul language, calling me a white man suppressing the black race.

Anyone who knows me, knows I am no racist, knows that I went to a Junior High School in the heart of the ghetto.

I stop for a moment, thinking her a lost cause, she is still screaming, the drugs have not kicked in, yet.

Finally, it came to me, what to say to her, in order to soothe her and calm her down.

I asked her, the following three questions, and she replied to each :

Security Officer (me) : Ma'am, ma'am. Have I once yelled at you?

Psyche Patient : $%&@ whitey. No, but you're still a pig.

Security Officer (me) : Well, why would you do that to me?

Psyche Patient : #&@&! white man! (screaming)

Security Officer (me) : Ma'am, have I ever used foul language at you?

Psyche Patient : No, you damn white man. (screaming)

Security Officer (me) : Ma'am. Ma'am have I eve raised my voice at you?

Psyche Patient : Well no.

Security Officer (me) : Well, if I haven't used foul language at you, if I haven’t used race against you, and I haven’t yelled at you, why on Earth would you do that to me?

At this time complete silence.

Psyche Patient : I’m sorry.

I’m stunned that I got through to her.

Security Officer (me) : Ma’am, I’m not asking you for an apology, and one is not necessary. What I am asking of you is to comply with the hospitals rules of not using foul language, and not yelling. There are other patients here. Some are very sick, some of them are needing serious attention, and your behavior takes away from that.

Psyche Patient : I’m sorry.

Security Officer (me) : Okay ma’am. That’s fine. If you can demonstrate for twenty minutes that you will behave, I will see if the doctors will allow to me take you down to two-point leather restraints. This has never been a racial issue. It was however a behavior issue. The hospital and Security cannot have people screaming and yelling.

Psyche Patient : Okay

After calming her down, I began asking her some questions, calmly and reassuringly. It turns out the whole episode started because her daughter and new son-in-law kicked her out of their house. They had to call Law Enforcement because she had gotten violent in behavior, not physically violent, until Law Enforcement tried to make her leave. I actually got her to have a civil discussion based on my treatment of her, she continued demonstrating compliance, both because of her lack of violent behavior and I am sure the drugs had something to do with is as well. But, it started with my fair treatment of her, even though she was abusive, it turned out she was not mad at the Security Officer’s, or even the Police Officer’s for that matter, until they tried to make her leave her daughters house. She was basically pissed off for being kicked out because of the son-in-law.

I had a civil discussion with her about a Business Administration/Criminal Justice Administration assignment about racial issues, the assignment was based on advertising and race, and how races are targeted, and I was given a choice of artists to pick and I had picked a black man and chose the controversy of race because of my thoughts on it and seeing racism as ignorant.

My point of this lengthy reply is that race is not an issue, unless you make it one, and I do not make it one, unless I have to do so in order to de-escalate an incident, and then I use my words wisely.

A person’s race should have nothing to do with how you treat them, but unfortunately, the world does not always work that way.


[edit on 18-10-2009 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

Crimvelvet,
I stand firmly on the premise I put into this post:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I'm not going to change my perspective, so it can line up with another person's definition of socialism. Capitalism just needs adjustments, so people are held accountable for their actions. Our government should not be owning companies, nor should they be interfering in the free-markets. We just need to teach college students the importance of ethics, and also hold those who do not practice good and moral ethics responsible. We also should have not bought out companies, so we can save the overall economy.

If a business is about to fall into bankruptcy, they shall fall based upon the owner's individualistic choices. Individual freedom collates with individual responsibility.

Once we tell someone that they are not responsible for their own actions, we remove individuality from the overall equation. THAT'S NOT WHAT THE UNITED STATES WAS BUILT UPON! Our founding fathers built this nation because they wanted individual sovereignty from government. Socialism is the contradiction of the Constitution.

When I keep reading about tremendous support for socialism, I cannot help but to think people were brainwashed to accept such a system. According to the divisive nature of Democrats, they use the word 'progressive' to shroud the hidden foolishness behind their socialistic movement.

Before anyone blames me for being a Republican, see my original post for further details:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 18-10-2009 by Pathos]

Originally posted by GlossomBoodchild
"Now I'll be the first to say, we're all a lil bit racist. "

Speak for yourself, please.

The OP is using the word racist loosely, as in one who acknowledges racial differences.

I am not "racist", but I know black people can play sports damn well, even though its hard to understand a lot of them when they talk.

Make me racist? Nah. Just observed facts.

Like I prove the white man can't dance stereotype...not as bad as some people, but I certainly do not help it.

ATS is supposedly Above Top Secret.
The real question is "What is the agenda at ATS?"
Is the ATS agenda to encourage top quality intelligence info
above and beyond the mainstream news?
Is the ATS agenda to let almost anyone post even if they are
dumb as a brick so as to play the advertising revenue numbers game?


My disappointment with ATS is that Above Top Secret is just a gimmick
label. There's really no criteria for security clearance. And flags and points
are just kindergarten level criteria. Like getting a gold star in kindergarten.
Hence most of what is posted is mainstream mediocrity.
To receive security clearance requires an above average level of
intelligence.
Forget politically biased government Intelligence agencies let's imagine
an elite international Intelligence agency whose people already know
basic top secret info-like UFO's/aliens exist-that the USA has a shadow government,
that the universe is multi-dimensional etc.
This top secret foundation can be built on so as to go "Above" top secret.
Most posters lack this foundation and their posts are below mediocrity
because they have a weak house of cards foundation built on a frozen lake.
Anyone who truly does get top secret info is getting info that is not
mainstream. One main criteria for someone getting top secret info
is that they think for themselves and be beyond being a programmed
zombie and have a basic level of aptitude for compassion.
(Having the capacity to see all human races with equanimity should be required for clearance.)
There's also too many insecure comic book/ action figure clowns posting who are deluded by raging testosterone into believing they are internet super heroes.
While in the real world they have zero accomplishments, are not only shallow and inexperienced but lack compassion and are even cruel, tend to be bigoted and narrow-minded and are emotional reactionaries.

And what is the criteria for the moderators?
It seems to me all you need is to buy into the kindergarten level flag,
point and gold star for babies in diapers system. And that you be an
internet couch potato who is constantly reading posts and who in other words needs to get a (vivacious, more spontaneously creative and deeper) life. (And if you disagree with this than you can tell me what you've done recently that was deep, spontaneous and creative-easy to do if you are).

reply to post by Electricneo

And what is the criteria for the moderators?
It seems to me all you need is to buy into the kindergarten level flag,
point and gold star for babies in diapers system. And that you be an
internet couch potato who is constantly reading posts and who in other words needs to get a (vivacious, more spontaneously creative and deeper) life. (And if you disagree with this than you can tell me what you've done recently that was deep, spontaneous and creative-easy to do if you are).

Well, since you asked. Not only do I moderate on ATS, I'm a mother and student Criminal Forensics/Criminal Justice double major maintaining a 4.0. Try juggling all of that!

And majority (if not all) of moderators are full time professionals. Far from lazy couch potatoes.


[edit on October 22nd 2009 by greeneyedleo]

These racial discussions are so cool,and redundant,I go to the shopping mall the other day and I pay special attention to the mixed race couples that are enjoying their shopping trips,many with children.I live in Canada so I see white and yellow,yellow and black,brown and white,white and black,red and brown, red and white the list is endless after all this is Canada.

I sit down in the food court of the Mall for a quick bite to eat,and something occurs to me for the first time in my life,and remember I live in Canada the land of the Cultural Mosiac,it occurs to me that when I look at all of the mixed race couples around me that ALL the children of mixed race that include white as a component have children who get lighter,then I noticed that no matter which darker skinned race was mixed with a lighter skinned race ,they PRODUCED LIGHTER COLORED OFFSPRING,without fail.

I dont know why this is but as I have said before the whole world seems to be turning into a big Vanilla milkshake!

I am from Canada so its impossible for me to have a racist or a mean thought of any kind so its not just my view of things ,everyone who messes with a white person gets WHITER.

I thought the default color comment was sweet because it was exactly what I was seeing,just interpreted a little differently,but still explaining the same principal.

Just throwin it out there,this story should show us all how silly we can be.

reply to post by lightchild


ATS should never be divided. We are all together
Just my 2cents

Originally posted by SpookHunter
I have read the OP's post and wish to cut right to the bone of the cancer of western civilization called the "Politically Correct" movement. (refered hereto as 'PC')

Excellent post Spook, I wish more people could see that what is generally called racism is actually cultural in basis.

All but the most ardent racists will not think any different of someone of a different race if they are from the same sub-culture.

Because we don't have time to get to know everyone on the planet, we tend to categorise others with respect to their apparent culture or sub-culture which gives us general knowledge about how this person might behave.

To eliminate what we call rasicm we would need to homogenise all cultures because people will always, in general, prefer to live, work and play with people from the same culture as them. And the closer to their culture the better.

Here is a good UK biased geographical analogy (I could have started with areas in Manchester and even streets within each area):

- People from Manchester and Liverpool dislike each other (30 miles apart)
- Until along comes a Southerner, then it is the Southerners and Northeners that don't get along.
- Until along comes a Welshman, then it is the English and the Welsh that don't get along.
- Until along comes a Frenchman, then it is the British and the French that don't get along.
- Until along comes an American, then it is the Europeans and Americans that don't get along.
- Until along comes an Middle-Easterner, then it is the West and the East that don't get along.
- Until the aliens come, then it is humans who don't get along with the aliens

We will always side with those closer in our current cultural context which can expand from a few miles to the entire planet. We need to come across a vastly different culture for humans to feel as one.


[edit on 10/11/2009 by LightFantastic]

I'm definetly prejudice against asteroids.

Well 08 you have them rolling again. Excellent thread. SnF
This is why you get my respect, you show a real talent for sparking
a great discussion.

[edit on 10-11-2009 by randyvs]

Talk about disappointment in ATS.
In the two and a half years that ive been a member here, ive watched as this site went from a handful of member that were genuinely interested in discussing conspiracies, the current UFO sighting, pole shifts and underground bases, to crap threads like this.

Now days, truly interesting threads are either ignored or they are de-railed before they are able to gain any momentum.
Fanatical debunker's and skeptics are the biggest offenders but thats to be expected and in some cases even warranted, however the ones that really get on my nerves are the ones that get into pissing contests to see who can come up with the funniest one liner in the thread, usually at the expense of the OP or another poster in the thread.
I started a thread a few months ago voicing my opinion about my disappointment in ATS and it was quickly swept over to BTS