Dr. Charles Krauthammer, summary of Obama

Originally posted by lw2525
He's 100% correct about the Narcissism thing,
According to a college psych textbook I have:


Someone with Narcissistic Personality disorder (NPD) will display these symptoms:

A grandiose sense of self-importance, with stories of their achievements and talents. They expect to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements

A preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited power

A belief that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people

A lust for excessive admiration

A sense of entitlement, with expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations They are interpersonally exploitative, and take advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends

A total lack of empathy toward others. Inability to even recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others. They don't care how many others suffer. All that matters is the Narcissist's agenda.

Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes, in the extreme.

You can go right down the list checking these traits off...these traits fit many politicians to the proverbial "T". This list could have been written for the Clintons and Obama.

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Or... you know... Bush the Lesser.

Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by Yummy Freelunch

 

While I belive this man speaks the truth, the attack dogs will be out soon.

Yes - anyone who criticizes Fox News are "evil attack dogs." Characterize your opponents as animals exempts you from having to listen to what they have to say or intelligently respond to it.

By the way, why does the OP point out the fact that the guy is paralyzed? What does that have to do with his opinion? Can you imagine an intro for Stephen Hawking before speaking at scientific symposium - "Introducing Dr. Hawking. He's a scientist and a cripple. Now, here's what he thinks the nature of the universe..." Appealing to emotion is a fun fallacy isn't it. Characterize the man as a cripple before discussing his opinion. Then, anyone who shouts back is picking on a cripple.

Obama won the election by an enormous margin because he was the better candidate. No one was brainwashed. Consider the arrogance of asserting that anyone who disagrees with your political philosophies has been brainwashed. The GOP is not going to win more supporters by calling the people they wish to convince naive idiots. On the contrary, these tactics hurt them more and more every day.

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And he appears on FOX.....well, I think that just answered my question whether he is to be trusted or not. We know where his paycheck is coming from.

He may appear on FOX out of necessity more than endorsement. What are the chances that any other network would put him on with that opinion? Even if they did put him on the air, what are the chances that he would get to speak without interruption, or that his words would not be twisted into some racist commentary?

I am by no means endorsing FOXNEWS, they are as bad as the others, but they are the only source for the flipside of the news at this point. We just do not have an objective source for guys like this.

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Last I checked Obama had 53% of the popular vote. I would hardly call that overwhelming. What is overwhelming are his plummeting poll numbers. Down Down down. The swing voters are waking up to a nightmare that they helped to create.
A little money helps in the process as well. Obama was a marketing master.
Obama spent $513,557,218
McCain spent $346,666,422

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By the way, why does the OP point out the fact that the guy is paralyzed? What does that have to do with his opinion? Can you imagine an intro for Stephen Hawking before speaking at scientific symposium - "Introducing Dr. Hawking. He's a scientist and a cripple. Now, here's what he thinks the nature of the universe..."

LOL...Stephen Hawking did give his opinion of the Healthcare bill!! And, it became prevalent because he is a cripple. He has a unique perspective on the Healthcare Industry. Personally, I did not think that it had any bearing on the issue, and I completely ignored his opinion. He is a brilliant scientist, but he is not an economist, or a Medical Doctor. The same goes for this guy. I appreciate the facts given, but the fact that he is in a wheel chair does not sway my opinion of his letter one way or another.

I did not take the OP introduction as a call to emotion, just a statement of facts. I can see how it would be perceived that way, but I don't think it was the intention.

I can't take anything that partisan hack says seriously. His editorials and bits on Fox were some of the most disgusting and offensive to liberty and justice I ever saw during the Bush administration.


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Seriously...anymore when I read or hear something that has a left or right slant I immediately open the "watch out for bull crap bait" file I've learned to create in my head as I sift through the info/disinfo we're constantly pounded with.
There is no way that any of those old congressmen or these new seat sitters have OUR constitution , continued prosperity, future, or best interests in mind. The pains of a purging are whats needed but wont be realized because they'll do what they have to , to stay at that feeding trough we keep filling up everytime they promise the "people" (us) a solution or a return to what worked and was abandoned.
Its so bad anymore with all of the fake news, spun news, hyped up no news made news information that its almost impossible to be certain of anything, and thats a great place to keep a population youre interested in controlling............ confused and searching for an answer.
The best I can do is just believe what "sticks" the rumors are perpetual and rampant, the prophets are a dime a dozen.
Just my 2cents.

Charles Krauthammer is a neoconservative, pro-Israel and pro-torture advocate. For me, these attributes would normally lessen the value of his opinions. Krauthammer and many other Washington pundits have frequently been criticized by Glenn Greenwald in his column for their hypocrisy.

search.salon.com...

Nonthless, I agree with much of what Krauthammer has said about Obama. But I agree more with David Ickes characterisation of Barack Obama (a good read)

www.davidicke.com...

1. Mr. Obama is a very intellectual, charming individual. He is not to be underestimated. He is a cool customer who doesn't show his emotions. It's very hard to know what's behind the mask.The taking down of the Clinton dynasty was an amazing accomplishment. The Clintons still do not understand what hit them. Obama was in the perfect place at the perfect time.

Spot on, but these traits are found wordlwide among succesful politicians and other leaders. Add to this, that most of those leaders are also sociopaths. Soicopaths are prone to narcissm and lie for personal gain. They have no empathy for those, who have to suffer due to their decisions.

2.+3 (attributes identical to 1). Unlike Krauthammer I am not sure what kind of state he envisions for the US in the future. My guess would point more into the direction of corporatism.

4. His three main goals are to control ENERGY, PUBLIC EDUCATION, and NATIONAL HEALTHCARE by the Federal government. He doesn't care about the auto or financial services industries, but got them as an early bonus. The cap and trade will add costs to everything and stifle growth. Paying for FREE college education is his goal. Most scary is his healthcare program, because if you make it FREE and add 46,000,000 people to a Medicare-type single-payer system, the costs will go through the roof. The only way to control costs is with massive RATIONING of services, like in Canada . God forbid!

He sure has appointed Timothy Geithner and other revolving door lobbyists from the financial sector, giving them unprecedented powers to distribute money to the bankers and reorganize the financial sector. It looks more like they try to steal as much money from the public before the economy collapses completly.

5. He has surrounded himself with mostly far-left academic types. No one around him has ever even run a candy store. But they are going to try and run the auto, financial, banking and other industries. This obviously can't work in the long run. Obama is not a socialist; rather he's a far-left secular progressive bent on nothing short of revolution. He ran as a moderate, but will govern from the hard left. Again, watch what he does, not what he says.

I completly disagree with this statement. He has appointed far too much Bilderbergers, CFR, Monsanto, Goldman Sachs executives and other big money lobbyists.
The far-left wishes too end the wars, cut military spending, single-payer health care, no torture, prosecution for those, who authorised torture and other war crimes, no extraordinary rendition, no warrantless surveillance and a more evenly distribtion of wealth. No more homeless, disabled vets on the street. Obama fulfills none of those wishes.
Unfortunately many left-leaning organisations and commenters give Obama a free pass. But in my opinion the best criticism comes frome the left.

www.youtube.com...

ummm, ok.....closed room. So there is no recording whatsoever of his words from his mouth. I am not saying that I agree or disagree, but one would think that it was recorded on audio at least. ................just curious if the audio exists, or did I miss the audio link in this topic?

Originally posted by mikerussellus
As seen, the typical response to intellectual criticism of the Obama administration.

First off, I love being critical of the Obama administration. And that was definitely not intellectual. Good criticism is well founded and rooted in the truth. Not rooted in myths, inflammatory statements, speculation, predictions, or plain lies. Like the fake email said; Watch what he does not what he says. Criticism of government is key to a healthy democracy. We got to try an keep these crooks in check. But I can't get behind this conspiracy of Obama is a socialist, Nazi, Marxist, power-hungry dictator bent on bringing the whole world to it's knees, yet. Ten months, he has been in office ten months and I haven't seen any of these Obama haters come up with one factually proven accusation. And it is sooooo true that nothing, I repeat, NOTHING he is having to deal with right now, has started in the last ten months. All these problems started before Jan. 20th. He may be making them worse, he may not. We'll have to see. I get it though....it must be real tough to watch your party trash your country and then lose power and swirl down the toilet of hysteria. It reminds me of watching the end of "Ol Yeller". (sniff)

Originally posted by Helmkat

Originally posted by Yummy Freelunch
You are all welcome, and I will be making it a point to pay more attention to this man

Well OP,

Sorry to say the email is disinformation.

Good Doctor himself said about this Email

This account is neither accurate or authoritative

To everyone who bought into because it supported your world view

The truth

all of you who agree with this fell for it!

trusting fox to deliver a fair assessment of a democratic president is like asking a guy to cut his penis off. The republican/conservative talkshow hosts (not journalists, TALKSHOW hosts) spout sensationalized crap instead of the real issues.


I wanna see somebody grill Obama about not repealing the patriot act not make up BS that people want to hear

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Do you mean that Krauthammer is undeserving of attack for his views? He is entitled to his opinions, yet so are others entitled to theirs.

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To Paraphrase:

"This guy is an intellectual who is always spot-on [not noting that this is just your interpretation of what he says]. He is also crippled (so?).

Here, I have summarized his remarks at a recent event (not accurately).
What do you guys think?"

Answer:

I think this thread is garbage.
I'll be the first to tell you that I believe Obama is a man who's ideas are taking this country from the fascist state it currently exists in, hidden behind the ruse of a representative republic, to somewhere in the gray area between socialism and communism. However, who is this guy? He is a Republican "thinker", who is also crippled (so?). The key term being a republican.

Surely if the man were so damned brilliant, he would realize that the RepublicONs are just the other side of the same divide-and-conquer coin.

Oh wait, he does realize that and it is just YOU GUYS that don't understand that?

Once again, I won't take a bite from either plate.
Obama is garbage. The cripple is garbage. This thread is garbage. And the bickering that goes on in this thread is completely sophmoric.

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This is more a critique on your post than the the Dr..

Originally posted by Yummy Freelunch
I received this email this morning from a friend, and thought to pass it on here. It's pretty profound, in my opinion.

Great... nothing worse than email chains... but that aside... let's take a look.

Dr. Charles Krauthammer

Dr. Krauthammer is on Fox News . He is an M.D. and a lawyer and is paralyzed from the neck down. A friend went to hear Charles Krauthammer. He listened with 25 others in a closed room. What he says here, is NOT 2nd-hand but 1st.

Uhm... Right off this sounds like such an impassioned post that it almost makes me hurl. Of course it's 1st hand.. they heard the guy speak... why would anyone assume it to be 2nd hand? What's the point of that last sentence other than to attempt to generate a sense of credulity?

Please don't make this one of those "THIS GUY MUST BE HEARD" posts... I hate those... Just because something made an impression on you subjectively doesn't make it staggering for the rest of us...

The ramifications are staggering for us, our children and their children.

Well evidently you think so...

Last Monday was a profound evening,

Can you lead the reader any more with subjective statements?

Dr. Charles Krauthammer spoke to the Center for the American Experiment. He is a brilliant intellectual, seasoned & articulate.

Yeah and so are a lot of people... some turn out to be idiots... others don't... but being a brilliant intellectual, seasoned and articulate doesn't lend any credence to the speaker at all.

He is forthright and careful in his analysis, and never resorts to emotions or personal insults.

Neither did Chairman Mao.

He is NOT a fear monger nor an extremist in his comments and views.

So he is not asking others to be concerned about something? If he is.. then he is mongering fear... justified or not... that would be fear mongering.

He is a fiscal conservative, and has received a Pulitzer Prize for writing.

Geesh.. can we just get to what the man has to say... what does all of this have to do with anything the man said? Are you still trying to generate a convincing air for the reader? You sound like one of those turn-of-the-20th-century occult books which spend the first 8 pages talking about how true the following words should sound to the reader...

He is a frequent contributor to Fox News and writes weekly for the Washington Post.


The entire room was held spellbound during his talk.

So he is Charismatic? Like Obama... Like Hitler... Like Jesus... Like Muhammed... Like Lil Wayne.... Like Jay-Z...


Anyway...

I have summarized his comments, as we are living in uncharted waters economically and internationally.

This is the first objective thing you have said so far...

Even 2 Dems at my table agreed with everything he said!

Wait... didn't you get this in email? Are these your words here? I thought this was 1st hand!?!?!?!


Second... just because 2 Dems agreed with everything someone says STILL DOESN"T LEND ANY CREDENCE..

Do you even know what objectivity is?

Anyway.. let's continue...

If you feel like forwarding this to those who are open minded and have not drunk the Kool-Aid, feel free.

The mere fact that you use the phrase "drank the kool-aid" means you are not being open minded in this...

Summary of his comments:

1. Mr. Obama is a very intellectual, charming individual. He is not to be underestimated. He is a cool customer who doesn't show his emotions. It's very hard to know what's behind the mask.The taking down of the Clinton dynasty was an amazing accomplishment.

Ok... In my opinion.... it wasn't an actual Dynasty ... but ok....

The Clintons still do not understand what hit them. Obama was in the perfect place at the perfect time.

2. Obama has political skills comparable to Reagan and Clinton . He has a way of making you think he's on your side, agreeing with your position, while doing the opposite. Pay no attention to what he SAYS; rather, watch what he DOES!

This is news? From day 1 I was taught to pay no attention to what ANYONE says... just what they do... I don't get it still what is different here....

I'll keep reading....

3. Obama has a ruthless quest for power.

Isn't that the definition of a Political Leader? And true of every political leader ever except maybe George Washington?

He did not come to Washington to make something out of himself, but rather to change everything,

... Again.. like every other President...

including dismantling capitalism.

That happened prior to Obama even being Elected.

He can't be straightforward on his ambitions, as the public would not go along.

Kinda like saying went to Iraq for WMD?

He has a heavy hand, and wants to level the playing field with income redistribution and punishment to the achievers of society. He would like to model the USA to Great Britain or Canada .

I'd have to disagree with this... he is trying to bring change, but not change to look like something else that already exists... but something that belongs only to the Destiny of the USA.


The rest of your post is simply more propaganda...

and yes Fear Mongering...

Originally posted by Angus123

Originally posted by lw2525
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You can go right down the list checking these traits off...these traits fit many politicians to the proverbial "T". This list could have been written for the Clintons and Obama.

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Or... you know... Bush the Lesser.

Agreed.

The list fits any successful politician. Period. Why single out "conservatives" or "leftists" from a wholly corrupt crowd?

Do any of the readers and contributors seriously think we are a two party system? There is the rhetoric from the politicians suggesting there is a difference between parties but this ultimately stalls the government to serve the elite. Obama is nothing but a mask over Bush. Bush was the mask over Clinton and so on. The elite corpratocracies simply put the next puppet in place to do their bidding. When the elite want to distract us from the true nature of their business they pit the "two party system" sides against eachother on such topics as health car, abortion, gays in the military, etc. It's all an illusion. I recently saw a video of Jordan Maxwell who reminded me that the Defense Dept. was in the middle of a hearing stating they can't account for 3 trillion dollars... next day 9/11. Topic dropped. Smoke and mirrors.

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AMEN!

And when confronted with the ugly truth that they had been all too eager to embrace a man for crazy talk he never uttered, the Fox News Parrots sulked as the sound of crickets filled the air.

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Your post, although contradictory at times, brings me to another point.

This dude is some sort of badass in the political/sociological arena I take it. Afterall, that is what was basically stated in the OP and echoed throughout the thread.

Okay, great, he's a badass.

He also has joined forces with FOX apparently.
But since he's there that MUST mean FOX has decided to be honest all of a sudden, right?

I'm thinking of another badass that has joined forces with FOX... Celente.

People are still parroting that dude as if he is the world's only legitimate sooth-sayer, save maybe Nostradamus.
Forget the fact that after joining FOX he has been wrong a number of times. Namely that by now, according to him, America is a barron waste-land not even worthy of third world status...

Let me be clear here folks, if the man is contributing with FOX News, he is bought and paid for. He is a puppet.

No matter how much he may appeal to your world-view, the guy is NOT telling you the way it is.

Guaranteed.
Rupert Murdoch has admitted to using brainwashing techniques in his programming.. In fact, he is proud of it.

Enough said.

Part II

6. Obama doesn't really see himself as President of the United States , but more as a ruler over the world. He sees himself above it all, trying to orchestrate & coordinate various countries and their agendas. He sees moral equivalency in all cultures. His apology tour in Germany and England was a prime example of how he sees America , as an imperialist nation that has been arrogant, rather than a great noble nation that has at times made errors. This is the first President ever who has chastised our allies and appeased our enemies!

I guess, Obama has no real affection for the US, its citizens and its history. He is more interested in his personal gain. But is he different than most of the other politicians?
Apart from this, the US is an imperialistic nation. Although the US has only borders to Mexico and Canada, it is constantly at war with other nations. Nations it has usually attacked. It has changed numerous regimes since wolrd war 2 through nonviolent and violent coups. Look at the military spending and the number of countries which harbour US bases. Its borders may not be outlined by a map, but it is an empire nonthless.
The chastied ally is certainly Israel. The Israeli Lobby is strong, but what benefit or gratitude has the US received for its aid in return. Does an ally employ numerous spies, steal nuclear secrets and sell them later to other countries (Pakistan), attack the ally in a false flag attack (USS Liberty) or drag the ally into pointless wars? In my opinion such an ally should be criticized much louder.

7. He is now handing out goodies. He hopes that the bill (and pain) will not come due until after he is reelected in 2012. He would like to blame all problems on Bush from the past, and hopefully his successor in the future. He has a huge ego, and Dr. Krauthammer believes he is a narcissist.

This blame game is always played in politics. Partys worldwide rarely undergo self-reflection and admit their errors.

8. ... Sarah Palin is sincere and intelligent, but needs to really be seriously boning up on facts and info if she is to be a serious candidate in the future. We need to return to the party of lower taxes, smaller government, personal responsibility, strong national defense, and state's rights.

The characterisation of the lying and uneducated Sarah Palin as sincere and intelligent shows a certain bias of Krauthammer. I don't want to delve into the left-right division, but under republicans like Reagan and the Bushes, government and spending have always grown and power has been centralised.

9. The current level of spending is irresponsible and outrageous. We are spending trillions that we don't have. This could lead to hyperinflation, depression or worse. No country has ever spent themselves into prosperity. The media is giving Obama, Reid and Pelosi a pass because they love their agenda. But eventually the bill will come due and people will realize the huge bailouts didn't work, nor will the stimulus package.These were trillion-dollar payoffs to Obama's allies, unions and the Congress to placate the left, so he can get support for #4 above.

Spot on, but which unions have received trillion-dollar payoffs? I think your nation is looted, like Russia was looted under Jelzin.

10. The election was over in mid-September when Lehman brothers failed, fear and panic swept in, we had an unpopular President, and the war was grinding on indefinitely without a clear outcome. The people are in pain, and the mantra of change caused people to act emotionally. Any Dem would have won this election; it was surprising it was as close as it was.

I agree 100%, after the Bush disaster and the botched republican campaign, the election shouldn't have been this close.