How would you convince non-believers?

Hello dear ATS'ers.

I have made this thread because i always wondered on how believers would convince non-believers, or people who just haven't thought about it clearly that the extra-terrestrial phenomenon exists.

The reason why i am asking you this is because i have a project that i'm working on for my finals. I have to talk about a subject infront of my whole school, and yes.. i have picked Aliens and UFO's.

I know a lot about it and i'm sure i can make people think twice before they decide on what to believe. But i'm wondering, how would you ( seriously ) confront an audience to aliens and UFO's

What would ( in your eyes ) convince them that they are real and are here on this planet and have been for many years, what kind of evidence would you provide and tell me in detail what profound footage or confessions of credible people you would choose.

I could use some of your advice to work into my presentation that will last about 40 minutes ( i know, way too short ) that's why i need the best evidence, the best footage, well everything that will start people thinking that i can use in the time that i have.

So tell me, what would you do if you stood infront of an audience, what would you say and utilise?

Thanks, i hope i'll get some good answers i can use !


-> Also, if you have any good story, a nice come-forth of someone or anything that i just have to mention in my presentation please share it with me with U2U or just comment it here

-Belgiannewbie.

Personally i would not bother, you either believe in aliens and ufos or you do not. How people think we are alone in this universe is bizarre. But they are conditioned to think people are great when most of the human race are not.

Waste of time turning skeptics. Do not waste your breath with them on this, there are plenty who will listen though.

There really isn't any evidence to suggest *specifically* that we are being visited by aliens.Atleast anything hard.What i would do is show various well documented ufo encounters through the decades and from that people can think for themselves as to whether they think that it is possible for man to have the technology to create such things..and if you don't think they can...well,obviously someone can and has which leads to the aliens.Jkrog08 made a very good list of ufo threads and cases here. www.abovetopsecret.com...

I would wade through some of them.

Well, i mainly do it because people i've talked to it about it convinced me to talk about it, they say many people will listen and actually be interested,

i don't think there are any skeptics in my school, but i don't care. I'm going to do this presentation to get people to think outside of the box and consider giving some thought about something they have never done any about

Originally posted by Solomons
There really isn't any evidence to suggest *specifically* that we are being visited by aliens.Atleast anything hard.What i would do is show various well documented ufo encounters through the decades and from that people can think for themselves as to whether they think that it is possible for man to have the technology to create such things..and if you don't think they can...well,obviously someone can and has which leads to the aliens.Jkrog08 made a very good list of ufo threads and cases here. www.abovetopsecret.com...

I would wade through some of them.

Thanks, i'll use that

If you're objective is to make people believe, then you're doing it wrong. You should be trying to make people think and question.

My advice is to present the evidence you find significant and credible and let people make up their own minds. Some will find it interesting and worthy of further investigation and analysis, others won't.

Don't lead them to a conclusion, because quite honestly no one knows.

We don't need more people believing, we need more people investigating and thinking about the phenomena.

edit: spelling


[edit on 16-10-2009 by converge]

How would you convince non-believers?

You can't. And furthermore, why would you want to? Belief is a very personal and intimate thing. Does it honestly matter that much to you if someone doesn't buy the ETH hook, line and sinker?

People are people. The diversity of beliefs and non-beliefs is what makes the world crunchy and fun.

Relax. If you can't enjoy your own beliefs but for someone elses take on them, I would say that maybe you don't believe your own ideas either.

Knowledge is the downfall of mankind....

Cheers,

Erik



[edit on 22/OctamFri, 16 Oct 2009 10:21:49 -0500/08 by redwoodjedi]

Originally posted by redwoodjedi

How would you convince non-believers?

You can't. And furthermore, why would you want to? Belief is a very personal and intimate thing. Does it honestly matter that much to you if someone doesn't buy the ETH hook, line and sinker?

People are people. The diversity of beliefs and non-beliefs is what makes the world crunchy and fun.

Relax. If you can't enjoy your own beliefs but for someone elses take on them, I would say that maybe you don't believe your own ideas either.

Knowledge is the downfall of mankind....

Cheers,

Erik



[edit on 22/OctamFri, 16 Oct 2009 10:21:49 -0500/08 by redwoodjedi]

i think i have kind off layed out the wrong words, what i was trying to say in my post is that, how would you let people start questioning

i don't want to turn them into believers i just wanna make a very good presentation, that hopefully will blowe some minds :')

reply to post by Belgiannewbie


Kudos for being brave enough to talk about this in front of a ton of people.

The disclosure video by Steven Greer is the most powerful I know. 1st result for disclosure on youtube.

I would ask why do people giggle at this when its the most important subject of our time? Have the media conditioned us to sneer at this?

Then I would say that while the media laugh at this subject the mil/gov take it very seriously.

I would point out the hundreds of President's, top military guys and politicians who have talked about this.

There is a site out there with HUNDREDs of quotes from top brass...

military UFO quotes or something.

If you are in the USA- starting with Presidents might be a good opener. Go to presdential UFO.
EDIT: Just realised you're in Belgium

Then show a bunch of slides from Hubble just to give people a sense of the vastness of the universe.

I wouldn't stray to far into specifics,like Greys/Roswell etc, but just argue that while we don't know the truth, it should be a legitimate area of research. So your not necessarily arguing for the presence of life, just that it should be taken seriousl.

Make the point that while people laugh, secretly almost all of us are fascinated by the possibility of life on other planets.

I would bias your talk towards asking serious questions rather than giving answers.

Show how it seems like we are gradually being acclimatised to a truth by the media, and ask why the process is so slow.

Your talk will kill, you will blow everyone else offstage and chicks will flock to you.



[edit on 110f20095amFri, 16 Oct 2009 11:07:17 -050017 by HiAliens]

The only way for non-believers to believe is for it to be on TV and taken seriously.

Just think of it like this 2012 that's all over the MSM amongst other things. Everyone will think that you're nuts if you told it to people almost 2 decades ago. Now they're waiting hand and foot for 2012 news/entertainment.

Originally posted by HiAliens
reply to post by Belgiannewbie

 

Kudos for being brave enough to talk about this in front of a ton of people.

The disclosure video by Steven Greer is the most powerful I know. 1st result for disclosure on youtube.

I would ask why do people giggle at this when its the most important subject of our time? Have the media conditioned us to s'n-word' at this?

Then I would say that while the media laugh at this subject the mil/gov take it very seriously.

I would point out the hundreds of President's, top military guys and politicians who have talked about this.

There is a site out there with HUNDREDs of quotes from top brass...

military UFO quotes or something.

If you are in the USA- starting with Presidents might be a good opener. Go to presdential UFO.
EDIT: Just realised you're in Belgium

Then show a bunch of slides from Hubble just to give people a sense of the vastness of the universe.

I wouldn't stray to far into specifics,like Greys/Roswell etc, but just argue that while we don't know the truth, it should be a legitimate area of research. So your not necessarily arguing for the presence of life, just that it should be taken seriousl.

Make the point that while people laugh, secretly almost all of us are fascinated by the possibility of life on other planets.

I would bias your talk towards asking serious questions rather than giving answers.

Show how it seems like we are gradually being acclimatised to a truth by the media, and ask why the process is so slow.

Your talk will kill, you will blow everyone else offstage and chicks will flock to you.


[edit on 110f20095amFri, 16 Oct 2009 11:02:54 -050054 by HiAliens]

Well you actually just read everything off my mind :] . I'm from Europe, Belgium. But i will use the presidents etc. i was planning to do that, also the hubble deep video i was going to show, it really blew my mind when i saw it so i reckon other's will be blown too.

That is going to be my introduction

thanks for the feedback m8

reply to post by Belgiannewbie


In a report format..hmm
first I would start with a history lesson, from the sumerian sky gods teaching them the advancements of civilizations, the mayans understanding of the cosmos, etc
Then talk about the bible, with the flying flaming shields of Abraham, The UFO thing that Moses followed through the desert and communicated with, etc.

Then crawl up through history, with the medieval art depicting the UFOs, flying saucers, etc.

Go forward and talk about the battle of LA, the continued inconsistancies of Roswell, discuss what happened in 2001 with The Disclosure Project.

And finally, dig into the latest declassified information from nations (not USA) that has some very damn interesting stuff in it.

It may not make anyone true believers, but will surely make plenty of people curious in view of all this evidence.


Make sure to leave it off with having them understand that what you presented is a single grain of evidence, high profile whistleblowers, etc. It only takes one alien UFO encounter to happen for the UFO phenomona to be completely real...can they honestly debunk millions of accounts over the world since the dawning of our civilization...plenty of hoaxes of course, but it only takes 1 real to make it simple fact.

reply to post by Belgiannewbie

Well you actually just read everything off my mind :]

psst. its cuz hes an alien!!



[edit on 10/16/2009 by Remixtup]

Search for facts.Never believe MSM

Its like what jordan maxwell says,

There are always going to be some that get it,a nd most will not.

I would not bother with people who laugh about it,a nd have there glazed eyes, with this subject.

There will be a percentage though that will be open to ideas, and they do not have to be like you in believing exactly what you think. We all live in our own world, and thats the way it is, we all build our own opinions, whether they are forced on us by government or by the environment.

Just also remember that tv and media put this topic in a negative light.

The op, is brave doing this at school, as your being profiled at school, and you never know who or what a teacher may write down about you, that can last for the rest of your life.

reply to post by Belgiannewbie



If it were me (and I gave a presentation for my oral communication class last semester) I would take a scientific approach to it. I would first start off by maybe showing the Hubble Ultra Deep Field and explain that there are an estimated 27 sextillion stars in the observable Universe (that is a 27 with 24 zeros). The I might briefly go over how the building blocks of life appears to be everywhere in the Universe and easily carried on asteroids and comets.

Also I would mention the fact that we have discovered over 350 exosolar planets thus far. I would not get too much into the highly speculative aspect of ufology (like reptoids, pleadians, Area 51, or Dulce). Then I would pick three of the best cases (I would personally pick the Belgium Incident, Rendlesham Forest, and the Washington DC Incident of 52').Go over the amount of sightings every year, maybe cover some of the better abduction accounts. Cover the multitudes of professional individuals who study this field and have seen UFOs themselves, as well the official government studies(and current private studies like MUFON) that have happened.

Basically you should just discuss the more solid aspects of ufology (ie; top cases, witnesses, investigations, etc). If you do choose to use any ancient paintings or carvings I would recommend the Kimberly, Australia cave paintings(make sure you compare those to the modern accounts of grey aliens) and the Nuremberg Carving. I hope you do well in your presentation and open some minds, good luck!




[edit on 10/16/2009 by jkrog08]

With a Blow Torch ???




Obviously.

Originally posted by jkrog08
reply to post by Belgiannewbie

 

If it were me (and I gave a presentation for my oral communication class last semester) I would take a scientific approach to it. I would first start off by maybe showing the Hubble Ultra Deep Field and explain that there are an estimated 27 sextillion stars in the observable Universe (that is a 27 with 24 zeros). The I might briefly go over how the building blocks of life appears to be everywhere in the Universe and easily carried on asteroids and comets.

Also I would mention the fact that we have discovered over 350 exosolar planets thus far. I would not get too much into the highly speculative aspect of ufology (like reptoids, pleadians, Area 51, or Dulce). Then I would pick three of the best cases (I would personally pick the Belgium Incident, Rendlesham Forest, and the Washington DC Incident of 52').Go over the amount of sightings every year, maybe cover some of the better abduction accounts. Cover the multitudes of professional individuals who study this field and have seen UFOs themselves, as well the official government studies(and current private studies like MUFON) that have happened.

Basically you should just discuss the more solid aspects of ufology (ie; top cases, witnesses, investigations, etc). If you do choose to use any ancient paintings or carvings I would recommend the Kimberly, Australia cave paintings(make sure you compare those to the modern accounts of grey aliens) and the Nuremberg Carving. I hope you do well in your presentation and open some minds, good luck!

[edit on 10/16/2009 by jkrog08]

Thanks alot my friend, i will surely use it.

I will definatly use the Belgian incident because i live there

Cheers

Dont try to convince anyone...Present the facts and let people choose. Why care about converting anyone?????

Originally posted by wouldu
Dont try to convince anyone...Present the facts and let people choose. Why care about converting anyone?????

as i said,


i misused my words, i just want to get people thinking.