AP Headline from 2004? "Kenyan-born Obama"

reply to post by cranberrydork


the only thing yours has in common with the real one is there both on the internet. Yours was not archived.

Originally posted by Arrowmancer
Maybe he was born in Kenya. By US Law, he's still a citizen. I don't particularly like him, but it may be legit:

Doesn't matter if he's a citizen, if he was born in Kenya he isn't natural born and is ineligible.

Maybe dear old Mom should jump under the microscope awhile.

She has been in several threads. The laws on the books at the time of Obama's birth said that if only the mother was a citizen she had to have lived in the country for at least 5 years after the age of 14 to pass citizenship on to her children automatically. (I'm paraphrasing but it's been posted a hundred times in other threads.) Obama's mother was 18 when he was born.

Originally posted by bl4ke360

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
reply to post by Scooby Doo

 

And this proves what? Its another personal assumption from another author of another newspaper.

What would have prompted the author to say Obama was born in Kenya? Are you saying he just "assumed" he was from Kenya for no reason as he wrote that article? Wouldn't he have gotten the facts straight before it was finalized?

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Believe it or not, newspapers do make mistakes.

reply to post by Massgirl


It is not a ridiculous claim. There is "supposedly" a constitution in place in this country and it should be followed.

Further, do not try to label critical thinking as ridiculous. It is what makes us human.

reply to post by Motorhead


this is not an attack on u but how is it possible that people can pick and choose? wasn't obabma defended by an article announcing his birth in hawaii?

and honestly the more this drags out the less there is to believe on both ends. of all the incredible responsibilty one man has to an entire nation the very least he can do provide the single piece of paper requested of him. (notice i said "the" and not "a")

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Originally posted by x2Strongx
Not sure if this has been posted yet... but very interesting:

This report explains the context of the oft cited debate, between Obama and Keyes in the following Fall, in which Keyes faulted Obama for not being a “natural born citizen”, and in which Obama, by his quick retort, “So what? I am running for Illinois Senator, not the presidency”, self-admitted that he was not eligible for the office.

Source:

Yes, I posted this quote earlier, but thanks for posting it again. I would also like to know if that exchange, between Obama & Keyes really took place. The first I heard of it, was at the same link you posted.

The poster Whatuknow posted a link to a long transcript of the Keyes vs. Obama debate, back in 2004. So far I have went through the first page (it's quite long), but found no mention of Kenya. There are two more pages of transcripts that I haven't read yet -- it's a tedious task.

If said exchange really took place, that would mean Obama didn't have Presidential aspirations, until after he was elected Senator. But I find this hard to believe; you would think thousands would have remembered this and it would be brought up during the campaign by the GOP - or even Hillary Clinton.

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reply to post by Jenna

Doesn't matter if he's a citizen, if he was born in Kenya he isn't natural born and is ineligible.

Incorrect. There are four situations where a person born on foreign soil are considered 'natural born citizens'. He may meet the criteria. If so, he is eligible for the presidency. Please see my previous post on the constitutional article regarding this.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
reply to post by Scooby Doo

 

And this proves what? Its another personal assumption from another author of another newspaper. This is somehow evidence? Can anybody here explain how this evidence again?? [edit on 15-10-2009 by Southern Guardian]

I suppose it proves about as much as newspaper announcements that can be phoned in by relatives, or gathered from new CoLB records by the newspapers doing birth announcements.

Thanks for making that parallell for us.

Not every author is correct 100% of the time. Since when do people at ATS simply believe what someone has said and run with it. Unless it's something people want to believe.

I don't think that the republican members of the house and senate would let him get placed into office had he not actually been born in this country. It's fine if you don't like the guy. I don't think he has been a particularly effective leader thus far, but I also don't see the need to question the validity of his presidency either. If all members of congress accept the presidency as valid, I'm going to have to accept that.

I read the U.S. code multiple times but I'm not quite sure what to make of it. Below is the bit that would apply to BHO. It's the word "Provided" that bothers me...is it saying that the first part "only" applies if the parent were in the service of the U.S. government or is it saying something else. Confused? Yes!

And this came from the link below so I can't attest to its accuracy.

www4.law.cornell.edu...

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person
(A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or
(B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date

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Originally posted by Sheeper
Yours was not archived.

I don't think you realize the complete lack of meaning "archive" has for live .html documents. As long as someone can change the text and images....and trust me, someone has the administrative access to change that document on the web server.....it's just as vibrant and dynamic as these words I'm typing right now.

"Archive" is a virtually meaningless concept for live web pages.

Any root administrator, on any web server, has complete control of the files on the server.....the only thing that protects a lot of content, is the ethical standards of web server administrators.

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reply to post by Arrowmancer


and

reply to post by bowlbyville


That's the updated version. You have to look for the laws that were in effect at the time of his birth as that's what the courts go by. The current laws that are on the books are useless as far as eligibility to pass on citizenship to a child in the 60's.

Originally posted by Common Good
Regardless, that article has nothing to do with the article in discussion.

So, yet ANOTHER article from a different African paper states that Obama was born in Africa and it was edited to change that statement - and you think it isn't relevant to the discussion? Ok. Fine. I'm willing to let it go.

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reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


No, it doesnt. You can pull all the articles you want about obama being born in the Us, does that bring any relevance to the discussion? Nope.

Good, lets move on.

This was written in 2006, before MOST people even knew who he was, or before he had even thought about becomming president. I see no reason for this article to be fake. As far as I am concerned, it would have been A WHOLE LOT easier to verify his credentials back then, before he had his lawyers to keep them covered up.

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Since this article is supposedly published on an African news publication. Why would Africa even care about a US state senate race. It would have no relevence in Africa unless there were some other reason Africans would care about it.... Say it was about Obama, but he is not from Africa. So why bother with this story at all?

Originally posted by PowerSlave
Since this article is supposedly published on an African news publication. Why would Africa even care about a US state senate race. It would have no relevence in Africa unless there were some other reason Africans would care about it.... Say it was about Obama, but he is not from Africa. So why bother with this story at all?

Hmm lets see....WHY would Africa be interested in what Obamas doing?
thats a good question.
MAYBE BECAUSE HE IS FROM AFRICA?

Originally posted by Osiris1953
Not every author is correct 100% of the time. Since when do people at ATS simply believe what someone has said and run with it. Unless it's something people want to believe.

I don't think that the republican members of the house and senate would let him get placed into office had he not actually been born in this country. It's fine if you don't like the guy. I don't think he has been a particularly effective leader thus far, but I also don't see the need to question the validity of his presidency either. If all members of congress accept the presidency as valid, I'm going to have to accept that.

I hear this argument a lot about his political opponents would have used this to his detriment.

The reality is there are no political opponents.

Whether you are a Republican or a Democrat you owe your career in politics to the same people. Those people are not the citizens, those people are a small group of financial oligarchs that control the political process by hand selecting and developing all the candidates that run for office.

In almost every case the winner of the political race knows they are going to be the winner, and the looser knows they are going to be the looser before the actual political race even gets underway. They know this because their oligarch sponsors have told them. Winners are compensated with Political Office; losers are compensated with usually an initially higher paying corporate position.

The political sniping and bickering that goes on during the campaign and on Capitol Hill is all just carefully scripted political theatre designed to encourage the masses to debate one another on the same topics and to distract the masses from the actual political process.

No one who wants to enjoy a continual career in politics goes off script or finds independent legs.

The reality is how the government gets away with much of its unconstitutional and criminal behavior is because the masses are always arguing over petty political issues and steadfastly belief in the sanctity of a system that has been totally corrupted at its base core for over a hundred years.

In the end your argument is based on an assumption.

You know what they say about assumptions.

The denial that everyone is in is really surreal but its especially surreal when people are so dishonest with themselves they don’t even have to courage to say maybe, we really ought to check that out and look in to it.

They just dismiss the inconvenient out of hand with any old excuse that makes it seem wise and safe to dismiss it.

Only fools would not be marching on the White House at this point demanding to see proof of citizenship.

That though is sadly what we have become a nation of fools who are fooled all the time.

Seems to me the people that were hired by Obama to scrub and make this story go away may have missed one.

But it's ok because he'll still get an award for at least trying.

www.cnn.com...

The Democrats' calm rock star
Barack Obama takes center stage Tuesday
By Todd Leopold
CNN
Friday, August 6, 2004 Posted: 6:44 PM EDT (2244 GMT)

BOSTON, Massachusetts (CNN) -- For a self-described "skinny guy from the Southside with a funny name," it's been quite a ride.

Barack Obama, the son of a Kenyan father and a white mother from Kansas, born and raised in Hawaii, was a little-known Illinois state senator as recently as late last year.

Now, he's the state's Democratic U.S. Senate candidate, the subject of major features in The New Yorker and The New Republic magazines, the odds-on favorite to win the seat being vacated by Republican Peter Fitzgerald -- and he's getting the Democratic convention's glamour slot, giving the keynote address in the heart of prime time. (Obama's speech)

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CNN seemed to have his birthplace right in 2004.

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