Time to talk about it. My experience in the Army.

Originally posted by poling2482
reply to post by lifecitizen

 

Both friends were Marines and both went over there when the war started. Brandon came back after a year and never went back to the Marines. I asked him about being awol and he said after what happened over there he was never going back to the Marines. I worried about him being arrested for a while until my Paul came back. He said that Brandons squad got in a fire fight and thats all he knew but he also said the Marines told him that he was discharged and didnt have to finish his time! Paul told me the worst thing he witnessed was a Marine sgt shooting a little girl in the streets who didnt pose any threat. He also said they would go around killing all the stray dogs just for fun. He also told me that any iraqies they arrested they would beat. He told me that he would take his rifle and break there jaws with the butt of the weapon. You can tell he regrets it and it hurts him to talk about it.

I believe you- very very sad

What a regret to have to live with.

I know it's a generalisation but every guy I've ever met that has been in the army has been a weirdo- the army is the perfect place for nutjobs who have a preoccupation with violence- they are welcomed with open arms.

S&F.

I believe that story. Just a gut instinct thing. I might be wrong, but if anyone told me that one day I'd be looking at a declassified document called Operation Northwoods back in 1962, I'd would have sent them to the same institution you went to. For good.

When it comes to the military, and ESPECIALLY those in high ranks, I don't put anything past them anymore. There is evil among them, and some just don't know the difference anymore. You had the sad misfortune of running into one of them.

Kudos to you for playing it cool, and coming out in one piece from that. Others might not have fared so well.

On the other hand, it may have been God Himself that saved you from some horrible accident or something by pressing you into that situation. As you know, the Lord works in mysterious ways. He also may have been testing your faith- something He is quite well known to do on occasion.

He clearly wanted to you be here to tell your story, and someone someday will read this and it will have an effect. The exact effect He intended.

Sometimes it pays to count your blessings- especially those that may be in disguise- and not question natural fate. Thanks for your service, brother.

reply to post by poling2482


If I were to assume that this story is true, I would say that you were a participant in a psycolgical study that had little Directly, to do with your faith.

And that your service has aided the military in furthering its understanding of how radical Islam "produces" fanatics willing to martyr themselves at the behest of their religious leaders.



Think about it.


Your description of yourself, your age, your intellect and behaviour, even the existence and depth of a belief system parallels almost exactly many of the most enigmatic "suicide-bombers".


The only significant difference between you, and them: You identify as Christian, they, as Muslim.


How one turns, or is turned, from an average, dedicated young man into a fanatic, willing to blow himself and anyone around him in bloody body parts, is of vital interest to the government in general, and the military in particular.


And they do not want you talking about your experience because that could possibly skew the reactions of the next test subject, invalidating the data.

Hi, Poling2482!

Thanks for sharing! What a creepy story.

What psychiatric hospital did they send you to?

I know you said you don't go "door to door preaching," but were you inclined to discuss your beliefs at work?

I remember, years ago, when I was in the MEPS center in L.A., I was asked by one of the grumpy old soldier men there who was tasked with ordering dogtags what my religion was. I told him "agnostic." He looked at me like I was Satanic or something and asked, "What's that?!" I explained to him what it is.

Months later, when I finally received my tags, my religion was stamped as "other."

So, what hospital did they send you to?

Regards,

F

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Does nobody else see a problem with this story? Ok if it was true then what I dont get is he waits 8 years and the first people he wants to sit down and tell is an internet conspiracy site. ok whatever. Also lets just say it is true, than I feel he's just as much to blame for not taking the aprorpriate action and or going through the proper channels to do something about it. Its not like he was a rape victom, who I could understand why they may hide there abuse. Instead you claim you where locked up, druged, held against your will and just was like hey no big deal ill sit on it for 8 years instead of maybe doing something about it before someone else could posiably be hurt or abused worse. Please dont take this the worng way but, Im sorry but I just dont buy it.

Mattt I'm an ol army dog true blue. Your story is a total bag of fiction no motive no reasoning no objective and I can tell you for sure noone in the usarmy would let themselves be taken inton a krankehouse. you need help my misguided one.

Originally posted by poling2482
reply to post by Longtimegone

 

Its not fake. I cant understand why you would say that. It took a lot for me to tell that story.

The reason he said its fake because a Captain in the military wouldn't have had the power to pull that off.I was in the military for 15 yrs and i was a captain i could send you for observation 72 hrs max. Had a situation were we had a PFC threaten suicide old story fiancée left him for another guy. I could send him for psych eval was released back to my company after 72hrs. I had to assign 2 people to watch him and make sure he went to the counselor until we were sure he was OK. So either this story is BS or theres alot to the story your leaving out.

PS If any of this story was true find the nearest military base and go to the Judge Advocate General's (JAG) office immediately!

I was a Staff Sergeant in the Army and I think this story is ridiculous. It bears no resemblance to reality: A single enlisted soldier living alone in his own barracks? Captain's Assistant? An anti-religion conspiracy against enlisted soldiers orchestrated by the CO?


Of course, it could be that your commander sent you for a psych eval, and you were accompanied by your first line leader or your first sergeant when you were admitted. After you completed treatment, you were released back to your unit to await further evaluation or a medical discharge. Meanwhile you were on special duty, and living in special quarters, as the "Captain's Assistant". Does that sound right?

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Originally posted by poling2482
This is not a joke. Im 27 years old and just felt it was time to tell my story. The other poster was right about not being able to do anything. If your superior says something you have to do it. I couldnt beleive they did that to me. I even contacted my senator Jeff Sessions about it.

I'm not saying I don't believe you, but I think the hard part to follow in this story (for me at least) is how you reacted to the events.

You never asked why that was happening?
You never told someone higher then rank of Capt?

It's the way you handled it that sounds strange to me, like someone who is kidnapped then ends up liking the kidnappers more then your own family type thing.

Then again, I've never been in the military, so I can assume that when you are told to jump, the correct answer is "how high"...

Regardless, welcome to ATS.

Peace

It took me a few run-throughs but I believe you and I think I know what happened.

You talked about God with the wrong person, buddy.

Maybe you reminded whoever it was of someone they hated, or they overheard you talking with someone else. Conversation occured in a barracks? Jealousy is a curse. Either way, I'd say he - with malice aforethought - reported you as a possible psycho. He turned your words to give them a threatening aspect.


[edit on 12-10-2009 by undermind]

That was weird, no one can know if its fake or real, but its definitely possible.

But yeah if you believe in God I think that was his way of testing your faith and as someone said maybe that saved you from getting killed out there or something.

You did good, cause if you had denied you believed in God the 2nd time they asked you and you died, once the creator summoned you, you would have been in trouble with him for denying him, you came out as a winner in the end.

A very strange series of events to say the least. Even worse, it was done when you were basically still a kid...hope it has not impacted you too severely these few years later.

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Captian? hmmm... I believe it's Captain?? Matt I don't think Schwartz will be too happy when he sees this. This does not ring true to me, just my opinion.

I'm sorry to hear that. I'm happy your safe now. Another crazy story I can use to tell people whats wrong with our world.

Originally posted by poling2482
Around 5 am we arrived at a German mental hospital. They registered me and escorted me to my room. Everyday they questioned me about christianity and why I beleived...........

The workers were not mean but seemed bent on trying to convince me that religion is fake, christianity in general.

you're trying to get people to believe that modern german psychiatric professionals would engage in religious persecution!!!

(1) Freedom of faith and of conscience, and freedom to profess a religious or philosophical creed, shall be inviolable.

german constitution

i think you have a multi-million euro law sut there, once you manage to put the fire in your pants out.

Originally posted by 3phaec
I'm sorry to hear that. I'm happy your safe now. Another crazy story I can use to tell people whats wrong with our world.

Naa, whats wrong with our world is people who take some story they heard on the internet and have no proof of being true and spread them as fact.

No I dont have any proof of it not being true, but then again I wont be the one running around telling people that either.

[edit on 12-10-2009 by vip867]

LOL, too funny. I can tell you that if you were willing to punch me in the face because some invisible spook in your head told you to do so, I'd have locked you up too. Geez, a good part of this world is constantly at war with each other because of what they all proclaim the spooks in their heads tell them how to live and what to do, particularly to others that worship different spooks than theirs. Personally, I think all superstitious/religious spook believers should be deprogrammed, they are the root cause of so much strife and bloodshed and pain and suffering in this world ever since that make-believe nonsense was contrived by man to control others.

reply to post by Divinorumus


While I also have to giggle about what you call the "spooks" ... I have to say the following also ...

There was a time when I also believed in same "spooks" (thankfully no longer) but I still maintain that one has the right to believe what you like without running the risk of being ridiculed - provided of course that that what you believe does not harm others - which again ties in with what you've said about religions being at the root of most bloodshed and tears on this planet.

To those who think this story is unbelievable - if you've been in any army - except the Salvation Army - and have not come across this kind of behavior, you are damn lucky. Though not the US army, I spent a good few years in the South African Defense Force and have seen and experienced way worse stuff.

To the OP ... I wouldn't take it too personally ... perhaps view it as some kind of martyrdom for your faith and be thankful for the good food and conditions that you experienced while your buddies probably had to get by in worse conditions ... ... I can just see how some might call this a blessing for having the balls to speak YOUR truth ... out of danger, good conditions and good food ... yeah verily - a miracle in disguise?

wow wtf.. u shouldn't even talked to that cpatain at all

I was always a decent Marine I'd say and so would my peers and NCO's. I picked up Corporal, which is an NCO at E4 in the Marine Corps at about 2 years and a few months in. My brother was also in with me, and he picked up corporal at 1 year and some months because he picked up PFC in bootcamp. He also picked up Sergeant at his 3 year 2 month mark, which is pretty good in the Marine Corps. He worked at Quantico, he was the supply chief there.
He managed multi million dollar accounts, upwards of 100 million dollars plus.

Anyway, I was a field radio operator in twentynine palms, ca. I wasn't great at running, I had a 25 to 26min PFT (3 miles) , but I got it down to 22 minutes in Iraq, and lost 30lbs there as well... but as soon as we got back into Twentynine Palms, it jumped back up for some odd reason, I'm assuming it was the altitude, it was I believe almost 3000+ ft, or almost at 3000. But it seems I can run faster in lower altitudes because the air is thicker. I'm also a smoker, I smoke a pack a day, which is rediculous, wow. Okay so, we got back from Iraq, right... After our 3 day break of doing nothing but partying and drinking they decided to have us run 6 almost 7 miles through the sand around the base. Keep in mind we have a lake called Bandini (sp?) which is basically our sewage, for the entire base. And a few times a week it stinks the whole base up, especially in the morning and at night. So we run around this #ing # lake like twice, then keep going to the pft field and all the way to the front gate, then run around some more.

Well our CO, a Captain who picked up Major shortly after our deployment. I don't know how he picked up, there were O-6's and O-7's basically calling him a retard to us lower ranked troops. I had a buddy in Intel who had a top secret clearance and had to be there for meetings tell me that all the higher ups would chew his ass so bad in these meetings. And we wasted hundreds of thousands of dollars in fuel in Iraq for these bull# missions our Capt would send us on. They wanted us to stay in one spot for 3 months, but he moved us atleast 20 clicks away from the last spot every 2 to 3 days. Which sucked. Driving in MRAPs offroad in the desert sucks. They were meant for on-road only, and built to take an IED blast. But we were driving offroad, hitting hidden bumps in the desert that would make us fly out of our seats and hit our heads (we wore helmets but still) on the ceiling of the vehicle. Now, I never had head aches, everrrrr until after my deployment. Which thank God I can claim that with the VA if I ever freaking go, I've been procrastinating for so long. But, I almost, I say almost attempted suicide while serving because the Marine Corps pushed me to have to get a divorce. I tried to work things out, but they sent me to this one unit where I would stay in the field for 7 days at a time, with a 1 day break. And wife's don't like that. They go nuts, well maybe my ex wife liked it because I gave her my debit and credit cards for food and emergencies only and she went and maxed out the credit card ($6000 limit with maybe $1000 on it at the time, on make up and just food, and hair cuts for her and her friends.. expensive haircuts at that... atleast $200 haircuts. She maxed that thing out real quick, in like 2 weeks time we had a $6000 debt to Navy Fed. After we divorced I paid most of it off while I was in Iraq. I still owe $2000 roughly and can only afford minimum payments with my #ty job. But atleast I have a job in this economy, right? Okay, I got off the topic so to say here. Back to that run we did.

I jumped in the back of the HMMVW (humvee) after getting my ass chewed from the first sergeant, but before that happened I had my first sergeant and my staff sergeant taking turns shoving me so hard that I almost fell on my face in the sand. I was behind the platoon because my CO sped way the # up,

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