14 Art Students with Construction Passes were in WTC before attacks

I've always said that Mossad has to be the most artistic intelligence agency in the world.

Very creative, very bright, and very original.

After all, we all appreciate those who appreciate the arts, do we not?

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nice one serbsta. This looks like their scouting location from the East. The scouting location from the West is the famous dancing Israelis on the rooftop in Hoboken.

So who was staying at the top floor suites of the Millennium Hilton on 9/11?

The night before the B-Thing, Mr. Harris said, he rented a top-floor suite at the Millennium Hilton, across the street from the Gelatin studio, and invited people to what guests described as a night of decadence. Near dawn, he and several others took cameras and boarded a helicopter, communicating with Gelatin via cell phone.

At the suggestion that the project might have been faked, Mr. Harris seemed almost offended. He produced March 2000 credit card bills bearing charges of $2,167.44 from the Millennium Hilton and $1,625 from Helicopter Flight Service.

Source:
Portland IMC

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So, Mossad managed to infiltrate *200* spies into the US, disguised as art students? And no one questions such a ridiculous statement?

Look, Mossad exists, that's true. They have spies, just as we do, just as every major country has. They spy on the US, just as we spy on Israel (but it's OK for the US to do it, because we're us, not them). But 200 spies at one time, in one place? You have got to be kidding.

First, Mossad has about 1200 employees, most of which work behind a desk. No one knows for sure how many actual active field agents Mossad has. Maybe a few hundred, I don't know. But to gather up 200 of these field agents, pose them as art students, and infiltrate the US and the WTC to blow it up?

Use some common sense. Israel has absolutely nothing to gain by committing an atrocity against the US (or anyone else). Even if they did, the consequences of being caught are so severe as to make the possibility untenable. All that had to happen was for a single person to credibly link the atrocity to Israel, and suddenly there is no more Israel. US aid would be cut off, followed closely by B1 bombers or cruise missiles. The US is one of only a few countries who have the power to completely wipe Israel off the map forever. You think they'd stand a chance, if they were ever linked to 9/11? They would never have dared any such thing, even if they thought it might do them good somehow.

Moving right along. 200 Mossad agents posing as art students? Why so many? What earthly reason would there be to infiltrate 200 fake art students, all Mossad agents? The more people you involve in any operation, the more likely there will be a leak about it. With 200 people directly involved, plus whatever support personnel existed behind the scenes, someone would have talked. Mossad knows this. They aren't going to ever use such numbers in a clandestine operation where their very existence depends on complete and utter secrecy. One or two agents, maybe. A handful, just barely possible. But 200? Sorry. Ain't gonna happen.

Mossad has perhaps hundreds of field agents. Many of these agents are known to US authorities. Not all, of course, but many. Those would have a hard time explaining why they were suddenly coming to the US to study art. Out of those theoretical few hundred agents, 200 would be a huge percentage, possibly approaching 100%. No way any espionage agency is going to involve such a huge percentage of their agents in a single operation. If they get caught, there goes the whole agency.

Now, let's say I'm wrong about all the above. Mossad really did send 200 agents, posing as art students. Supposedly these students were interviewed, and admitted to being Mossad agents? They had just participated in a major atrocity, so awful that any connection between the atrocity and a country would almost guarantee extinction, and they just hung around waiting to be interviewed? And when interviewed, they fessed up, admitted to be working for the Israeli intelligence agency? "Why yes, Officer, me and 199 of my agent buddies decided to come to the US for art lessons, and we visited your WTC just before it mysteriously fell down. Why, is there a problem?" And the US said, "Oh, OK, you're from Mossad, it was obviously just a coincidence that shortly after your visit, the buildings fell down." And let them all go without further comment. Oh, maybe they called Mossad and asked them, "Say, by any chance did you send 200 of your agents over here to blow up our WTC?" To which Mossad would have answered, "Gee, not that I know of. I haven't heard anything about that." And we'd go "Oh, OK, then, just wanted to make sure". Please.

If any of this were actually true, Israel would be a heap of glowing rubble.

It is possible that this notion of 200 Mossad agents comes from this:

United States of America

The Mossad informed the FBI and CIA in August 2001 that as many as 200 terrorists were slipping into the United States and planning "a major assault on the United States." The Israeli intelligence agency cautioned that it had picked up indications of a "large-scale target" in the United States and that Americans would be "very vulnerable." A month later, terrorists struck at the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. (Emphasis supplied)

Seems that Mossad was trying to help.

As for the comment by alleged Mossad agents filming the devastation ("now you know what it feels like"), that was reasonable. Until 9/11, we really didn't know what it felt like to have innocent civilians murdered by terrorists. We almost never had it happen to us. Even Oklahoma City was considered a fluke, some right-wing nut wanting to make a statement. It was terror, but it was one of ours. We never really had been attacked on our own soil before (Pearl Harbor took place before Hawaii was a US state; it also killed mostly military men).

Israel has lived with terror attacks against its unarmed citizens since its creation. After 9/11, we got a much better feel for what that's like. The issue suddenly went from the abstract to the personal.

Chiron

Your numbers are a little low. US intelligence budget is $75 Billion/yr, estimated to pay 200,000 agents (that they admit to)

intelligencenews.wordpress.com...

It is likely all these "art students" harassing the DEA were simply a divergence, maybe entry-level spy students, diverting attention from the real "art students" doing spy work. I am referring to the suspicious activity of many Israeli "art students" in 2000-2001:

Salon.com source


Think about this. If you were planning to rob a bank in a bright yellow Hummer...Why not send 100 patsies around for a month in bright yellow Hummers causing all kinds of suspicions at the banks? The banks would know the drill and it would get filed away just like all the others. Then you sneak in and do your heist in the middle of all that. If you get reported at all, you'd get lumped in with all the others so the detectives wouldn't really focus on you.


also, remember the USS Liberty



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Originally posted by chiron613
Use some common sense. Israel has absolutely nothing to gain by committing an atrocity against the US (or anyone else).

I'm confused: you say "use some common sense," but then you do the exact opposite in your very next sentence.

How many countries have we invaded since 9/11, with this "War on Terror" that 9/11 kicked off? Where are those countries located again?

And, let's see... Which countries are Israel threatening, and just itching to invade?

Nope, nothing for Israel to gain at all.



Have you ever heard the phrase "military industrial complex," or wondered where all those trillions of dollars spent on these wars have gone, by any chance? I would guess "no."


Btw, the US is not going to invade or otherwise attack Israel. Ever. If you haven't noticed, the two countries are pretty much bed buddies. The FBI was actively dissuading agents in the field from investigating 9/11 forewarnings according to Sibel Edmonds' case, which was barred from court by John Ashcroft himself citing "national security" reasons. Similarly, Israel's connection to 9/11, and how/why there were dancing Israeli spies taping the attacks in NY as they happened, is classified, because it was already investigated when those spies were first detained. There is old news footage somewhere, from 2001 if I recall correctly, not long after 9/11, someone in the news media was questioning an official about the Israelis and the man said he was not at liberty to comment on what they were doing there. I hope you realize when your officials say things like that, they are not HELPING you; they are spitting in your face and rubbing it in.

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You see, in your post - what you did is not permitted.

Logic, contrary reports, and a common sense approach does not bode well if you're talking about Mossad.

For example, if I said Mossad warned of something big, but deep down they KNEW the trade towers were coming down - it wouldn't make any sense to send 200 of their agents to the towers, would it?

Because there's no certainty on what day, or what flight the terrs would be on.

I think continuing education is always a good thing, and the fact that so many Mossad agents are also dedicated art students is certainly to be admired.

Now, if we could only get our NSA interested in Basin Jazz.

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Again, if there is nothing to hide, then why are the connections between Israel and 9/11 classified?

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I don't think that anyone is suggesting that Israel or the Mossad are the sole perpetrators, just that they may have been involved in assisting with the operation, and doing some of the surveilance, and some of the "wet work" in connection with the destruction of the WTC. There was aiding and abetting going on in the CIA and the FBI, and elements of the executive branch of Government, and the Pentagon MUST have been involved in the black-op psy-op false flag terrorist attack that was 9/11.

So it was a type of inside/outside job, perpetrated by elements of the shadow government, both in the US and Israel.

Re: Israeli motivations for the 9/11 event to occur

See

A Clean Break:
A New Strategy for Securing the Realm
www.israeleconomy.org...

Participants in the Study Group on "A New Israeli Strategy Toward 2000:"

Richard Perle, American Enterprise Institute, Study Group Leader

James Colbert, Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs
Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Johns Hopkins University/SAIS
Douglas Feith, Feith and Zell Associates
Robert Loewenberg, President, Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies
Jonathan Torop, The Washington Institute for Near East Policy
David Wurmser, Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies
Meyrav Wurmser, Johns Hopkins University

www.israeleconomy.org...

This policy position then later dovetailed with the PNAC document, and the scripting machinations of Zelikow's study group, which included Robert Gates.

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Originally posted by OmegaPoint
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So it was a type of inside/outside job, perpetrated by elements of the shadow government, both in the US and Israel.

and don't forget the $100,000 wired from Pakistan to Muhammad Atta, which was easily uncovered. Too bad Daniel Pearl got too close to the truth. And there was the ISI chief, who happened to be in the U.S. on 9/11, conveniently redacted from the transcript by Condi Rice.

www.abovetopsecret.com...


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The general claim here that Israel did not have 200 spies in the US prior to 9/11 is pretty much nonsense. It is also well known that Mossad utilizes foreign Israeli sympathizers to gather intelligence material and they have an extensive network of spies inside the US.

Corporate lawyer Gerald Shea, presented an extensive case to the 9/11 Commission documenting the fact that Israel was almost certainly monitoring the 9/11 terrorists inside the US.

www.christopherketcham.com...
www.christopherketcham.com...


OK, so back to Gelatin aka "The B-Thing" and claims that Germans and Austrians were involved. Which brings to mind Wolfgang Bohringer (ABC News, Nov15, 2006):

www.abc.net.au...

"The tiny Pacific nation of Kiribati wants Australia's help to counter terrorism after US authorities uncovered a bizarre plot to a set up a flight training school on one of its remote islands. The FBI suspects the man behind it, Wolfgang Bohringer, may have had links with 9/11 mastermind Mohammed Atta."

"May" have had links? Talk about an understatement. According to Mohammed Atta's girlfriend Amanda Keller, Atta was very close to Wolfgang Bohringer, called him 'my brother', and spent a considerable amount of time with him in Florida. Bohringer had arrived in the US in the 1990s under suspicious circumstances and had opened up an illegal Florida flight school that authorities seemed to allow. He was also the the personal pilot for a major Eastern European Mafia figure named Victor Kozeny who was involved in drug-trafficking and high level US corporate fraud. One of Kozeny's close business partners was Hank Greenburg of the American Insurance Group (AIG) which, it is rumoured, has major Bush family connections. After 9/11 Bohringer disappeared only to turn up in the South Pacific islands of Kiribati hoping to found a 'flight school'. So he gets arrested by US authorities and you'd expect they'd be questioning him for months, wouldn't you? No way - he was released after two days! Why? Because he told US arresting authorities that he was a CIA agent - and his quick release seems to support that claim. So, how's that? Mohammed Atta's closest buddy in Florida prior to 9/11 may have been a CIA agent.

Amanda Keller also claims that Atta had friends in Florida: Peter (German), Stephan and Jurigen (Austrians).

sanderhicks.com...

For those interested in the whole question of possible Israeli involvement in 911 there is also this:

/y945cq7


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And perhaps it's worth reminding people that in Sibel Edmond's interview by Phillip Giraldi in The American Conservative she tells how the FBI were taping phone conversations between senior US officials and people in Turkish and Israeli intelligence:

www.amconmag.com...

"The monitoring of the Turks picked up contacts with Feith, Wolfowitz, and Perle in the summer of 2001, four months before 9/11. They were discussing with the Turkish ambassador in Washington an arrangement whereby the U.S. would invade Iraq and divide the country. The UK would take the south, the rest would go to the U.S. They were negotiating what Turkey required in exchange for allowing an attack from Turkish soil. The Turks were very supportive, but wanted a three-part division of Iraq to include their own occupation of the Kurdish region. The three Defense Department officials said that would be more than they could agree to, but they continued daily communications to the ambassador and his defense attache in an attempt to convince them to help. Meanwhile Scowcroft, who was also the chairman of the American Turkish Council, Baker, Richard Armitage, and Grossman began negotiating separately for a possible Turkish protectorate. Nothing was decided, and then 9/11 took place."

These guys were all major US backers of Israel and have been investigated at various times for passing classified Intelligence to AIPAC, Israel's primary US lobbying agency. This was all before 9/11.

Sibel also has this to say about Marc Grossman, for a time the third highest-ranking official at the State Department and US ambassador to Turkey who is on FBI tapes arranging for the collection of $14,000 in a bribe payoff:

"So these [FBI recorded] conversations, between 1997 and 2001, had to do with a Central Asia operation that involved bin Laden. Not once did anybody use the word "al-Qaeda" It was always "mujahideen," always "bin Laden" and, in fact, not "bin Laden" but "bin Ladens" plural. There were several bin Ladens who were going on private jets to Azerbaijan and Tajikistan. The Turkish ambassador in Azerbaijan worked with them. There were bin Ladens, with the help of Pakistanis or Saudis, under our management. Marc Grossman was leading it, 100 percent... From Turkey, they were putting all these bin Ladens on NATO planes. People and weapons went one way, drugs came back."

Again, this was all BEFORE 9/11.

The idea of multiple bin Ladens being involved finds an echo elsewhere. Remember Wally Hilliard, owner of Huffman Aviation flight school that trained a number of the 9/11 hijackers in Florida? Well, it turns out that for some time before 9/11 Hilliard was flying one of bin Laden's brothers all over the Caribbean and Florida, the same bin Laden who was living in Spain and shepherding up to 200 mostly Arab flight students to Florida and Hilliard.

So the upper echelons of the US State Dept:

(1) had a hands on involvement with various mujahideen and members of the bin Laden family in pursuit of terrorist exercises in the Middle East and Chechnya;

(2) utilized those same networks to engage in illegal drugs and arms trafficking, going so far to use NATO planes to bring drugs into the heart of Europe and the US;

(3) had long-standing ideological commitments to Israel and Israeli foreign policy which sought US military presence in the Middle East and needed a catalyzing, catastrophic event to bring about such an outcome.

And we are asked to believe in this context that Israel did not know about the al Qaeda terrorists operating in the US before 9/11? Nonsense.

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Time to bring home the boys in the USMC, ARMY, NAVY and Air Force, and unleash them on Capitol Hill, the Pentagon, NSA, CIA, and factions of the FBI? Would anyone agree or disagree? Then afterwards....we can send them onto Israel. The evidence is just too damning now.

I fear this nation is all but done.

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Originally posted by Peruvianmonk
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Israeli Art students are well known to be part of Mossad.

Really? They are? Israeli art students are well known to be part of Mossad? REALLY?!?!?! Well known to whom?

It truly saddens, me really. Students having a good day outside had to die because of the terrorists. It could have been any student, even me or anyone else. All those people lost. I say hunt them down even if it takes a million years.

Originally posted by really

Originally posted by Peruvianmonk
reply to post by Blundo

 

Israeli Art students are well known to be part of Mossad.

Really? They are? Israeli art students are well known to be part of Mossad? REALLY?!?!?! Well known to whom?

Read all 6 pages of this salon.com article. It's quite apparent that "art students" are a simple cover for entry-level espionage agents, typically involved in target gathering of government officials.

Salon.com

Then the analysts in Mossad review their phone call logs and look for a blackmail opportunity. Quite simple really.

Carl Cameron reports

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
Students having a good day outside had to die because of the terrorists.

Did I miss something?

Before you go off shooting more Arabs, maybe you should reread the OP?

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Its B.S. look at all the posts up to page 5, slowly it leads to other things over the pages, there were proly 5 aussies trhat entered the premises in the last 4 days, we are hard buggars, and yanks arnt high on our list....not the people, but the gov. its a stagtistic being chewed on!!!!

Let it go......

If Elected as your new president, my first foriegn policy will contain, a No Assistance to Isreal measure - forcing Isreal to make peace at any price with the Arabs. I will make it illegal to import any material that we are already have inside the USA. I will make it illigal to terrorize citizens into action. I will cut your taxes by 90%. I will stop all federal activities not expressed in the Constitution. I will return the power back to the states.
there I go again. thinking this was America and I could be president... such as life a dream.

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www.rense.com...

Read it!!!

www.sweetliberty.org...

"Full Responsibility for the First world War, lies squarely on the shoulders of the International Jewish Bankers. They are responsible for millions of dead and dying". -- U.S. Congress - Record 67th Congress, 4. Sitting, Senate Document nr. 346)

"The bolshevik Revolution in russia was the work of Jewish planning and Jewish dissatisfaction. Our Plan is to have a New world Order. what worked so wonderfully in Russia, is going to become Reality for the whole world." -- The American Hebrew Magazine, 10, Sept. 1920

"By using the new atheist exile politics they [the Zionists] provoked and increased anti-Semitism in Europe which led to the Second world War. . . The worldwide boycott against Germany in 1933 and the later all-out declaration of war against Germany, initiated by the Zionist leaders and the World Jewish Congress. . . " -- Rabbi Schwartz, New York Times, Sept. 30, 1997

Israeli 'Art Students' Show
Up At Interesting Times
From Dick Eastman
7-18-9

www.rense.com...

- The Israeli Mossad - The Israeli
Connection To 911
By Christopher Bollyn
Exclusive to American Free Press
4-14-5

U.S. investigators and the controlled media have ignored a preponderance of evidence pointing to Israel's intelligence agency, the Mossad, being involved in the terror attacks of 9/11.

From the very morning aircraft smashed into the World Trade Center (WTC) and the Pentagon, news reports have indicated Israeli intelligence being involved in the events of 9/11 - and the planting of "false flags" to blame Arab terrorists and mold public opinion to support the pre-planned "war on terror."

Shortly after the destruction of the twin towers, radio news reports described five "Middle Eastern men" being arrested in New Jersey after having been seen videotaping and celebrating the explosive "collapses" of the WTC.

And we could go n and on, it is a fact and it is and was known by many. If you really want to know the whole truth of the matter and what the big picutre is, it's not hard to figure out.

libertyforlife.com...

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time." - Albert Pike's letter to Mazzini, dated August 15, 1871. (see former Royal Canadian Navy Intelligence Officer, William Guy Carr's books "Satan, Prince of this World" and "Pawns in the Game", p. xv-xvi, which includes extracts of Pike's letter

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