buzz aldrin LIES...... UFO sightings.....

ok.. well.. here's some of the main points to keep this on track a little bit better.....

1). As far as I know Buzz is letting this UFO out as a VERY first on national TV accroding to the channel it was represented by...meaning, there was another intelligent entinty out there in the vacume of space WITH them, which was in a 'L' shape, accroding to the show I listened to in which Buzz said it himself.

2). This sighting was in a era of where computers were in the dinosaur age as we well know now, what else could be up there mirroring their movement at that speed? As far as we know, the Russians were as primitive as we were at all this.

So...any intelligent theories to who had the intelligence to get to space LONG before we even thought about it or even had the tools to do so?

As for Buzz lying...hmmmm...he's only doing what he's been told to do; the people of the world could not have handled the aliens from anotheR world becuz' mass heristiera would encompass the globe in a matter of days, back in the 60's! (Thus it took 40+ years to condition out minds to accepting other intelligent life from other worlds through the Media)

Personally, everyone that wanted disclosure, JUST GOT IT!! Now, what are we going to do with it??

THAT THE REAL POINT!!

There is not a single human that has ever left earth without having some form of contact whether they remember it or not. That is protocol for all humans on earth at this time. There are a great deal of things to see above earth that most are not supposed to see and in most cases memories are completely wiped clean.

Originally posted by IM_NOT_FROM_EARTH
There is not a single human that has ever left earth without having some form of contact whether they remember it or not. That is protocol for all humans on earth at this time. There are a great deal of things to see above earth that most are not supposed to see and in most cases memories are completely wiped clean.

Not sure where you're getting your info from about memories being wiped, but IF that s/b true, then why let Buzz say what he did? I think the cat's out of the bag.. but it was tricky the way they did it.

~Air the show on a Tuesday morning/afternoon when the majority of the US is at work.
~Don't rerun the show at all afterwords.

That way no one can say they didn't get disclosure.

Now, here's what I don't get, after all the ranting and raving about ATS members wanting disclosure and this thread get's a few flags and some stars.. this s/b one of the highest there is on ATS~!!

frankly i'm alot dissapointed..

Originally posted by Phage
In the first video Aldrin's story is broken up into selected sound bites we don't hear everything he has to say. In the second video he says the object they saw was one of the panels. In the third video, we again don't get to hear the whole story, more selective out of context editing. In the fourth video we again hear the whole story.

and what does the whole story say....

transcripts.cnn.com...

BUZZ ALDRIN, FORMER ASTRONAUT/APOLLO 11: What did I see? Well, we -- the first day out, maybe six hours after launch, we were scheduled to make a mid-course correction. And I'd like to show you a few things in this rocket just to point out the condition that we were in. During launch, this boost protective cover comes off, hopefully not with the command module attached. And then the first stage drops off, the second stage drops off. Unfortunately, I can't take this apart, but there's the third stage and inside is the lunar module. And this is the command and service module.

Once after going in orbit and a half around the earth we fire for five minutes, this engine here, and we head toward the moon. Now shortly after that, we separate the command and service module. And it turns around like this. And it docks with the lunar module. I'm going to have to be pretty ambidextrous.

KING: Are we getting to a UFO?

ALDRIN: We're getting to that, yes.

which according to the actual data; was @ met.....

003:16:54 Collins (onboard): Here we go.

003:16:55 Armstrong (onboard): Okay, Houston; we're about to Sep.

003:16:58 Collins (onboard): Thrusting...

[Mike thrusts forward in the plus-X direction with the small Reaction Control System engines, so that when Buzz pushes the Sep (Separation) button on Panel 2, the CSM immediately starts to move away from the S-IVB stage and the jettisoned panels.]

003:16:59 Armstrong: Houston, we're about to Sep.

003:17:00 Armstrong (onboard): Sep!

003:17:02 McCandless: This is Houston. We copy.

003:17:03 Aldrin (onboard): Look at that trash.

003:17:05 Armstrong (onboard): Sep complete.

003:18:15 Aldrin (onboard): Your Man(ual) Att(itude), Pitch, to Accel Command?

003:18:19 Armstrong (onboard): It went to Rate - Okay, I see an SLA panel going out.

[This is one of the four Spacecraft Launch-vehicle Adaptor panels which contained the Lunar Module during launch. They were jettisoned by partial hinges once they had rotated 45° away from the LM.]

003:18:23 Aldrin (onboard): Okay, you got to get a pitch rate in there -

003:18:30 Armstrong (onboard): See that SLA panel?

003:18:35 Aldrin (onboard): Is it flying - yet?

003:18:37 Collins (onboard): It's alright. She's darn well unbelievable - something.

003:18:47 Armstrong (onboard): I see it...

003:18:50 Aldrin (onboard): Do I need some circuit breaker in to get - -

003:18:52 Armstrong (onboard): I see another - No, that's alright.

003:18:54 Aldrin (onboard): ... to get this camera going? Mike?

003:18:57 Collins (onboard): No, you need the power on over there, though.

003:19:00 Aldrin (onboard): I turned it on.

003:19:01 Armstrong (onboard): I got it. ... beautiful.

003:22:23 Aldrin (onboard): How far out are you, Mike?

003:22:25 Collins (onboard): I'm still quite a ways. That's definitely an SLA panel - there's no doubt about that. Sure looks like... panel.

PAO: This is Apollo Control at 4 hours, 34 minutes. Apollo 11's velocity is 14,972 feet per second. Its distance from Earth is 15,895 nautical miles. Spacecraft weight: 96,760.9 pounds. We're about 5 minutes away from the evasive maneuver that will ensure there will be no problems of re-contact between the spacecraft and the S-IVB stage of the launch vehicle.

Day 1, part 3: Transposition, Docking and Extraction


continuation of the interview from larry king....

ALDRIN: Right. Now notice these three and four panels. Whenever the command module separates and turns around, those panels go off in four different directions. The rocket -- now we're separated from the rocket, and the rocket and the spacecraft, the lunar module and command module, are heading towards the moon.

Now we orient perpendicular to the plane of the sun, the earth and the moon, and rotate slowly like this. And we can look out these windows and see the earth drift by and see the moon drift by.

additional data.....

Imagine the point where this line intersects the planet's surface. We can further imagine a flat plane at this point parallel to the horizontal. Obviously, as the spacecraft moves across the planet, the absolute orientation of this plane keeps changing but it provides a useful reference for orbital velocity computation. In this arrangement, the plus-Z axis is along the vertical line towards the planetary centre, the plus-X axis is in the direction of orbital motion parallel to the local horizontal and the plus-Y axis is perpendicular to the orbital plane.

history.nasa.gov...

cnn cntd....

KING: And what did you see?

ALDRIN: And I saw a light out there, OK. This is after we had witnessed the upper stage rocket next to us make an evasive maneuver to miss the moon. Later missions, it crashed into the moon so that we could determine the seismic effect of crashing into the moon.

KING: So you saw a light?

ALDRIN: So we saw a light and we thought, I wonder what that is. You know there are a lot of lights out there when you're not looking in the direction of the sun. There are a lot of stars. And they're all fixed relative to each other.

KING: What was unusual...

ALDRIN: Now when one of them starts moving or it's moving, and we know that that's another object. It's not a star.

@ met.....

PAO: This is Apollo Control at 5 hours, 11 minutes into the mission. The S-IVB slingshot maneuver was completed about 5 minutes ago. Designed to put the third stage of the launch vehicle into a trajectory that will take it behind the trailing edge of the Moon and then into a solar orbit. The crew did not witness this maneuver. The Command Module was not in the proper attitude where they could see the S-IVB at the time. We've advised the crew that we do not believe that we'll do the first midcourse correction. That we'll wait for midcourse correction 2 tomorrow and expect a Delta-V to be performed in that maneuver of about 21.3 feet per second. We've also had some other brief transmissions including, eh, comments from Neil Armstrong on the view out the window, and a weather report on the part of the world he can see. We have the tape of these transmissions that have occurred during the news conference at the Cape. We'll play that for you now and catch up live.

Now, we know that if we were to say, Houston, we've a light out the window. It going along with us, heading for the moon. A lot of these guys are going to go ape, you know. And it's really going to endanger the mission and occupy a lot of our time trying to explain what's going on.

KING: All right.

ALDRIN: So we very shrewdly, Neil did, said, "Houston, where is the upper stage?" They didn't know right away. But they said we'll check with the guys in the back room. The guys in the back room in 10 minutes came back and said, "It's 6,000 miles away."

and when was that..... after more than 55 hrs

PAO: This is Apollo Control at 60 hours, 37 minutes. We said goodbye - goodnight to the crew about 10 minutes ago. We expect that they will be settling down for their rest period shortly. At the present time, Apollo 11 is 184,600 nautical miles [341,800 km] from Earth. The spacecraft velocity is presently 3,023 feet per second [921 m/s].

060:45:38 Armstrong: Houston, Apollo 11.

060:45:41 Duke: Go ahead, 11. Over.

060:45:46 Armstrong: Do you have any idea where the S-IVB is with respect to us?

[The crew have noticed an unexplained flashing object out of the window, which appears to be catching the sunlight as it tumbles. Neil is wondering whether it is the abandoned third stage of the Saturn launch vehicle.]

060:45:50 Duke: Stand by.

[Long comm break.]

PAO: This is Apollo Control at 60 hours, 47 minutes. We just got a call from the spacecraft requesting that we give them the position of the S-IVB in respect to the spacecraft and we're currently coming up with that bit of information, so we'll stand by.

060:49:02 Duke: Apollo 11, Houston. The S-IVB's about 6,000 nautical miles from you now. Over. [Pause.]

060:49:14 Armstrong: Okay. Thank you.

Day 3, part 3: Flight Plan Updates

anyways......

Well, we figured that's not what we're looking at. So we started thinking a little bit more about these four panels.

well.... we can't know for sure what they actually were thinking.... however the details from the debriefing, paints a totally different picture.... nonetheless its important to keep in mind as to 'when' the s-ivb & sla panels were in fact separated....

anyhow....

And I'd seen a graph where it showed the separation distance that was calculated before liftoff, before the whole mission went of where these panels would be in case the spacecraft made some maneuver. And they guaranteed there would be no contact.

though its true that these reports did confirm the 'no contact' factor.... but i don't understand as to how he is trying to appeal to authority here....

Apollo 9 SLA panel jettison separation and recontact analysis (5.98mb PDF)

Apollo 11 - Trajectory Reconstruction & Postflight Analysis (4.6mb PDF)

TB-6 predicted start: This is calculated from current tracking data to be at 002:35:14, which implies that engine start will be commanded at 002:44:44 and that Tig (time of ignition) will be at 002:45:52. The actual start time is based on the solution to trajectory equations which depend on the vehicle's state vector.

Attitude for TLI: is 179°, 71°, 1° in roll, pitch and yaw respectively. This is with respect to the orientation the guidance platform has held since launch.

Burn duration: 5 minutes, 47 seconds.

Delta-VC prime: 10,435.6 fps (3,180.8 m/s). This is the figure they will enter into the EMS to allow them to monitor the burn.

Inertial velocity at engine cut-off, (VI): 35,575 fps (10,843.3 m/s).

Attitude for separation of the CSM from the launch vehicle: 357°, 107°, 41° in roll, pitch and yaw respectively. Among the criteria for adopting this attitude is solar illumination of the S-IVB to allow the crew to practice maneuvering relative to it.

Attitude for the extraction of the LM: 301°, 287°, 319° in roll, pitch and yaw respectively.

history.nasa.gov...

Originally posted by Phage
In the first video Aldrin's story is broken up into selected sound bites we don't hear everything he has to say. In the second video he says the object they saw was one of the panels. In the third video, we again don't get to hear the whole story, more selective out of context editing. In the fourth video we again hear the whole story.

Aldrin is neither a coward nor a liar. Bart Sibrel is an annoying weasel who got what he had coming.

Here is the full text of his Armstrong's speech:

Thank you, Mr. Vice President, Mr. President, members of Congress, fellow astronauts, ladies and gentlemen.

Wilbur Wright once noted that the only bird that cold talk was the parrot, and he didn't fly very well. So I'll be brief. This week America has been recalling the Apollo program and reliving the memories of those times in which so many of us here, colleagues here in the first rows, were immersed. Our old astrogeology mentor, Gene Shoemaker, even called in one of his comets to mark the occasion with spectacular Jovian fireworks. And reminding us once again of the power and consequence of celestial extracurricular activities.

Many Americans were part of Apollo, about one or two in each thousand citizens, all across the country. They were asked by their country to do the impossible--to envisage the design and to build a method of breaking the bonds of earth's gravity and then sally forth to visit another heavenly body. The principal elements--leaving earth, navigating in space and descending to a planet unencumbered with runways and traffic control--would include major requirements necessary for a space-faring people.

Today a space shuttle flies overhead with an international crew. A number of countries have international space programs. During the space age we have increased our knowledge of our universe a thousand-fold.

Today we have with us a group of students, among America's best. To you we say we have only completed a beginning. We leave you much that is undone. There are great ideas undiscovered, breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of the truth's protective layers. There are many places to go beyond belief. Those challenges are yours--in many fields, not the least of which is space, because there lies human destiny.

His speech was meant to inspire the kids he was talking to. To tell them that it is up to them to take the next steps into space. The only thing cryptic about it is why Sibrel only selected only three sentences out of the whole speech. More selective and deceptive editing.

Gordon Cooper went off the deep end before he died.
www.space.com...

[edit on 10/8/2009 by Phage]

That just typical of some of the cheap shots you find on here. Aldrin punches someone which is the very definition of * losing it". Cooper is dead so you feel free to to accuse him of *losing it*.. I await you accusing Deke Slayton of "losing it" as well.

Buzz is, and always will be, a military man. If he's ordered not to talk about something, he won't. He's still a consultant with NASA, etc. you know...

Personally, he has my deepest respect, and he's got some very intelligent ideas on where NASA should be going (which is different from where they are going)...

In everything I've checked though, his comments regarding aliens are typically taken out of context, and while he has admitted to seeing things he couldn't positively confirm, he's certainly avoided claiming anything as ET in origin.

Buzz is part of the dis/mis information campaign. Its obvious because he tries too hard to dispel rumors about the Apollo astronauts seeing UFOs on the moon. He is kinda like that Zahi Hawass guy who just goes out of his way to prove there is no connection with UFOs/Atlantis and ancient Egypt.

When the context isn't spooky popular culture, but is a real space mission, the term UFO means just that. It's a literal acronym not loaded with connotations of alien creatures or advanced technology.

The crew had enough foresight not to say "UFO" because the public is stupid and follows popular culture to a tee.

Ironically, when he later tried to explain it, every idiot out there imagined that he was speaking about UFO from an alien origin.

tl;dr
Idiots.

reply to post by RestingInPieces

Originally posted by RestingInPieces
When the context isn't spooky popular culture, but is a real space mission, the term UFO means just that. It's a literal acronym not loaded with connotations of alien creatures or advanced technology.

can you point out as to where an 'alien creatures or advanced technology' has been proposed here?

Originally posted by RestingInPieces
The crew had enough foresight not to say "UFO" because the public is stupid and follows popular culture to a tee.

are you parroting buzz's words?

Originally posted by RestingInPieces
Ironically, when he later tried to explain it, every idiot out there imagined that he was speaking about UFO from an alien origin.

so you have psychic powers with which you pick up the imaginations of the 'idiots' telepathically?

Originally posted by RestingInPieces
tl;dr
Idiots.

Originally posted by Greensboro1978
Buzz is part of the dis/mis information campaign. Its obvious because he tries too hard to dispel rumors about the Apollo astronauts seeing UFOs on the moon. He is kinda like that Zahi Hawass guy who just goes out of his way to prove there is no connection with UFOs/Atlantis and ancient Egypt.

You're not gaining any points by going overboard in your comments which should connect with the thread. While Mr Hawass is an irrascible kind of person and difficult to take, I've never seen him go out of his way to deal with mythical subjects you mention. I'll go out of my way to discuss why there are no UFO connections with Atlantis for which there is no evidence of its reality and anything connected with Egypt. Stay on course, you're floundering.

Originally posted by heineken
Phage are you a sort of new browser cause all I see you do is copy and paste in here

Phage is a long-time and well-respected member of these forums, who has done a lot more work uncovering the truth than any 20 UFO researchers combined. He is a credit to these forums; you'd do well to actually consider what he has to say instead of dismissing it because he isn't saying what you want to hear.

Originally posted by heineken
Dont you agree astronauts lie?

If you want to make a case that the astronauts lie, then make a case that is based on facts, not one that relies half-truths, misquotes and lies.

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex
If you want to make a case that the astronauts lie, then make a case that is based on facts, not one that relies half-truths, misquotes and lies.

are you suggesting that no facts have been presented herewith re the lies of buzz aldrin?

Originally posted by Gazrok
Buzz is, and always will be, a military man. If he's ordered not to talk about something, he won't. He's still a consultant with NASA, etc. you know...

Though I'm certainly not accusing you of it (you made your viewpoint very clear in the following paragraph), that has been used as special pleading, confused as evidence, for years that Aldrin is somehow lying, in lieu of any actual evidence that he is lying.

Originally posted by mcrom901
are you suggesting that no facts have been presented herewith re the lies of buzz aldrin?

Absolutely. That is unless you consider half-truths and misquotes to be evidence.

Originally posted by Komodo
1). As far as I know Buzz is letting this UFO out as a VERY first on national TV accroding to the channel it was represented by...meaning, there was another intelligent entinty out there in the vacume of space WITH them, which was in a 'L' shape, accroding to the show I listened to in which Buzz said it himself.

there were a lot of confusion re said sighting.....

Aldrin: The first unusual thing that we saw I guess was 1 day out, or something, pretty close to the moon. It had a sizeable dimension to it, so we put the monocular on it.

Collins: How'd we see this thing? Did we just look out the window and there it was?

Aldrin: Yes, and we weren't sure but that it might be the S-IVB [Saturn Rocket Third Stage]. We called the ground and were told the S-IVB was 6000 miles away. We had a problem with the High Gain about this time, didn't we?

Collins: There was something. We felt a bump or maybe I just imagined it.

Armstrong: He was wondering whether the MESA [Modular Equipment Stowage Assembly] had come off.

Collins: I don't guess we felt anything.

Aldrin: Of course, we were seeing all sorts of little objects going by at the various dumps and then we happened to see this one brighter object going by. We couldn't think of anything else it could be other than the S-IVB. We looked at it through the monocular and it seemed to have a bit of an L-shape to it.

Armstrong: Like an open suitcase.

Aldrin: We were in PTC [Passive Thermal Control] at the time so each one of us had a chance to take a look at this and it certainly seemed to be within our vicinity and of a very sizeable dimension.

Armstrong: We should say that it was right at the limit of the resolution of the eye. It was very difficult to tell just what shape it was. And there was no way to tell the size without knowing the range or the range without knowing the size.

Aldrin: So then I got down in the LEB [Lower Equipment Bay] and started looking for it in the optics. We were grossly misled because with the sextant off-focus what we saw appeared to be cylinder.

Armstrong: Or really two rings.

Aldrin: Yes.

Armstrong: Two rings. Two connected rings.

Collins: No, it looked like a hollow cylinder to me. It didn't look like two connected rings. You could see this thing tumbling and, when it came around end-on, you could look right down in its guts. It was a hollow cylinder. But then you could change the focus on the sextant and it would be replaced by this open-book shape. It was really weird.

Aldrin: I guess there's not too much more to say about it other than it wasn't cylinder.

Collins: It was during the period when we thought it was a cylinder that we inquired about the S-IVB and we'd almost convinced ourselves that's what it had to be. But we don't have any more conclusions than that really. The fact that we didn't see it much past this one time period - we really don't have a conclusion as to what it might have been, how big it was, or how far away it was. It was something that wasn't part of the urine dump, we're pretty sure of that. Skipping ahead a bit, when we jettisoned the LM, you know we fired an explosive charge and got rid of the docking rings and the LM went boom. Pieces came off the LM. It could have been some Mylar or something that had somehow come loose from the LM.

Aldrin: We thought it could have been a panel, but it didn't appear to have that shape at all.

Collins: That's right, and for some reason, we thought it might have been a part of the High Gain Antenna. It might have been about the time we had high gain antenna problems. In the back of my mind, I have some reason to suspect that its origin was from the spacecraft.

history.nasa.gov...

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care to address them?

as this is relevant to the op.... just wanted to link up the following bunk reports here.....

Originally posted by mcrom901

Originally posted by easynow
reply to post by JimOberg

 

The 'debunker' report is not opinion-based reporting, it is research-based reporting.

since debunker.com has reported false information to the ufo community for over 30 years, i'd say there wasn't any research involved at all.

cheers buddy

the following two reports also do not have any basis in reality....

The crew did indeed report to earth about another tiny object they watched through their monocular. To some of the astronauts, it looked cylindrical, just like their spent rocket stage which was known to be pacing them in a parallel orbit. Said Armstrong, "It was right at the limit of resolution of the eye; it was very difficult to tell just what shape it was." NASA's reasonable assumption was that it was indeed the rocket stage, since it was behaving just like a rocket stage should; other Apollo flights had reported much the same thing.

The Apollo-11 UFO Incidents
by James Oberg
Excerpt from UFOs and Outer Space Mysteries
www.debunker.com...

based on the info available in the public domain, the crew had never reported any sighting to mission control....

Mission Control: 'Apollo 11, Houston. The S-IVB is about 6,000 nautical miles from you now, over.'

Buzz: 'We really didn't think we were looking at something that far away.'

www.youtube.com...

July 16, 1969-Apollo 11: This was a mission on which a UFO reportedly chased the spacecraft. "Reportedly, " indeed, but not very accurate. Actually, several UFO stories have attached themselves barnacle-like to man's first moon landing. A photo of an insulation fragment taken soon after third-stage separation has been widely published as a "UFO." The astronauts watched their booster through a telescope on the way to the moon. A series of "UFO photos" allegedly taken by astronaut Aldrin in lunar orbit are actually forgeries by a Japanese UFO magazine. An alleged "astronaut radio conversation " describing a UFO ambush is a hoax.

Astronaut "UFO" Sightings
James Oberg
www.debunker.com...

Originally posted by mcrom901
care to address them?

Phage, Daisy-Lola and Arbitrageur already have. A s well as dozens of other threads on the subject. No need to go back over well-tread ground. All you have are misquotes, out-of-context quotes and half-truths.

reply to post by mcrom901


I see this is an old thread but a good one never-the-less.

I really don't think Buzz lies. I truly believe he's been programmed and/or brainwashed. There is something deeply not right about him. Many claim it's his drinking. Maybe. But one must wonder why someone drinks so much when on outside (material) appearances, it seems Aldrin has everything one can want and if that weren't enough, the man accomplished what no one can ever compete with. But it's not about his drinking so much rather it's his weird behavior over-all.

I've included this clip before but not so much that it's a satire (only Buzz didn't realize so it makes it funny) but, his answers seem like they just get switched on like a robot. I would think anyone in his shoes, in this situation, receiving these questions (albeit, mock-questions) would've had the wherewithal to see through it. But not so in Buzz's case.

I really think he's very disturbed and I blame, NASA (the government) not him.


This is "Ali G" aka "Borat" aka "Sacha Baron Cohen"

reply to post by DoomsdayRex


you missed to include your smoking gun ..... link

oh n btw...

A lie is a type of deception in the form of an untruthful statement, especially with the intention to deceive others, often with the further intention to maintain a secret or reputation, protect someone's feelings or to avoid a punishment or repercussion for one's actions.

en.wikipedia.org...