buzz aldrin LIES...... UFO sightings.....

From the launching of Apollo 11 on July 16th, 1969 until the spacecraft passed the midpoint between the earth and the moon the following day, the three astronauts observed a U.F.O. keeping pace with them. Two days later, on July 19th at approximately 1800 hours, U.F.O.s made another appearance and were recorded on film. The details of this extensive film were: the day before the lunar landing Aldrin transferred to the L. M. "Eagle" and began the final instrument checks. Whilst checking the close-up camera, the U.F.O.s came into the picture. Whilst under observation, the objects were seen to be emitting what looked like some kind of liquid. The two objects were in close formation and would come together and part and after some time separated and went off their own ways. The objects appeared to be intelligently controlled, the astronauts said. The third sighting during this epic flight occurred on July 21st, 00.26 hours. About an hour and a half previously, Neil Armstrong and Aldrin had set foot on the moon. While they were busy gathering rocks, Collins in the Command Module 'Columbia' was busy talking to Houston.

in this video buzz talks about the sighting......



in his own words...........

"there was something out there that was close enough to be observed"

"mike decided he thought he could see it in the telescope & he was able to do that and when it was in one position it had series of ellipses, but when you made it real sharp it sort of L shaped"

"obviously the three of us were not gonna blurb out, hey houston we have something moving along the side of us we dont know what it is"

now watch this next clip......



"how about those four panels"

"i got to be honest about it and either say well its detail but we saw nothing other than something that we were 99.99% was a man made object it was part of the spacecraft; but we did happen to see it and according to the technical definition of unidentified flying object, it has to fit in that category, cause there was no way for us to tell it was panel one two three or four, without bringing in the rest of the world and disturbing what the heck we were about going to the moon"

"i think it was one of the panels to very nearly the absolute certainty"

now, check this one out.........



"i looked out & saw a star out there, but it wasn't a star, it was venus; but it kept following me all along"



and when somebody speaks the truth........

"YOU ARE A COWARD AND A LIAR"





given the position he has.... do u think he speaks the truth?????

and whats your take about this 'cryptic' speech from neil armstrong.....

"we just about could have said, look, we see a UFO out the window going along with us... you know what would have happened? the public would have gone crazy!"

"yeah, we were smart enough to say; where is the upper stage rocket? we think we might be looking at that out the window"

"For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists in astronautics. I can now reveal that every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us. And there are thousands of witness reports and a quantity of documents to prove this, but nobody wants to make them public." - Astronaut Gordon Cooper

ufos.about.com...

Nice post, well constructed and thought out.


But for me it falls into the category of 'so what?'

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loool... at the end of the day; everything falls under the category of 'so what'

example........




[edit on 7-10-2009 by mcrom901]

In the first video Aldrin's story is broken up into selected sound bites we don't hear everything he has to say. In the second video he says the object they saw was one of the panels. In the third video, we again don't get to hear the whole story, more selective out of context editing. In the fourth video we again hear the whole story.

Aldrin is neither a coward nor a liar. Bart Sibrel is an annoying weasel who got what he had coming.

Here is the full text of his Armstrong's speech:

Thank you, Mr. Vice President, Mr. President, members of Congress, fellow astronauts, ladies and gentlemen.

Wilbur Wright once noted that the only bird that cold talk was the parrot, and he didn't fly very well. So I'll be brief. This week America has been recalling the Apollo program and reliving the memories of those times in which so many of us here, colleagues here in the first rows, were immersed. Our old astrogeology mentor, Gene Shoemaker, even called in one of his comets to mark the occasion with spectacular Jovian fireworks. And reminding us once again of the power and consequence of celestial extracurricular activities.

Many Americans were part of Apollo, about one or two in each thousand citizens, all across the country. They were asked by their country to do the impossible--to envisage the design and to build a method of breaking the bonds of earth's gravity and then sally forth to visit another heavenly body. The principal elements--leaving earth, navigating in space and descending to a planet unencumbered with runways and traffic control--would include major requirements necessary for a space-faring people.

Today a space shuttle flies overhead with an international crew. A number of countries have international space programs. During the space age we have increased our knowledge of our universe a thousand-fold.

Today we have with us a group of students, among America's best. To you we say we have only completed a beginning. We leave you much that is undone. There are great ideas undiscovered, breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of the truth's protective layers. There are many places to go beyond belief. Those challenges are yours--in many fields, not the least of which is space, because there lies human destiny.

His speech was meant to inspire the kids he was talking to. To tell them that it is up to them to take the next steps into space. The only thing cryptic about it is why Sibrel only selected only three sentences out of the whole speech. More selective and deceptive editing.

Gordon Cooper went off the deep end before he died.
www.space.com...

[edit on 10/8/2009 by Phage]

Good post . I have come to the same conclusion as you as well, seen those videos before too and Buzz changes his story quite a bit in the end.

That video where Buzz is punching Sibrel, I think Sibrel deserved that one though annoying lad, really. The way he was chasing astronauts in that documentary of his is not the best pieces of journalism that I have seen. He has good points though, I can't deny that.

I don't blame Buzz for punching Bart Sibrel and I wouldn't blame him for punching you either since you didn't even put a question mark after "Buzz Aldrin lies" in the title of your thread. You haven't shown any evidence he lied.

The worst he is guilty of is maybe jumping to conclusions like some other people do when they see something they don't understand, and I'm not even sure he's guilty of that. Obviously they couldn't identify the object which was why they asked about the S4B. And they still couldn't positively ID it visually, but knowing that there were 4 panels floating around somewhere, it's not an unreasonable conclusion to suspect that what they were looking at was one of the 4 panels, especially since they were also seen on subsequent missions. I think he phrased it quite well saying he's still not 100% certain what it was, but he has a high probability idea of what it was.

And he wouldn't be the first pilot to think that Venus (or some other distant light) was following him or traveling alongside him because that's the way distant lights can appear to pilots under the right conditions.

In Neil Armstrong's speech the most I can do is question his choice of 1 or 2 words like 'protective layer" and I might have chosen different words, but in the context of the speech it's hard for me to point to those 2 words and say that's a secret message, it's just an inspirational message.

similar sighting via gemini 7.....



and here are the video links for apollo 11....

www.cohenufo.org...
www.cohenufo.org...
www.cohenufo.org...

also please read through this info..... i dont know what to make of it

The following is, according to Robert Godwin, from a formerly 'Classified' NASA document.

The 500 page transcript was obtained by Godwin, editor of:

'Apollo 11 The NASA Mission Reports - Volume Two'
Published by Apogee Books an imprint of Collector's Guide
Publishing Inc., Box 62034, Burlington, Ontario, Canada, L7R 4K2

and available at:

www.amazon.com...

The debriefing occured while Aldrin, Armstrong and Collins were quarantined for three weeks at the Lunar Receiving Laboratory in Houston, Texas.

The Apollo 11 Technical Crew Debriefing

July 31st 1969

Prepared by: Mission Operations Branch
Flight Crew Support Division

Volume I & 2

[in Godwin's book pages 38-40]

6.40 REST PERIODS

Aldrin: We're all good sleepers. The first one was not as good as the second or third, but the first sleep period was still surprisingly restful as far as I'm concerned.

Collins: I think particularly when you get into the later flights of extended EVA'S and lunar activity, somehow the crew must place themselves in a frame of mind of looking on the separation of the LM [Lunar Module] as the beginning of the flight plan and to relax, get plenty of sleep, and conserve their energies in all the events leading up to that point.To arrive in lunar orbit tired can create problems and it's possible to do that if you don't approach it in the right frame of mind.

Armstrong: I think Mike's hit the nail on the head. We did precisely that. We got a lot of rest and got into lunar orbit eager to go to work and that's a particularly fortunate position to be in.

Collins: This is something we've talked about before the flight and I don't know how you can get yourself in that frame of mind but I think it is a frame of mind. You have to get yourself convinced that there will be a nice relaxing couple of days going to the moon.

Aldrin: The first unusual thing that we saw I guess was 1 day out, or something, pretty close to the moon. It had a sizeable dimension to it, so we put the monocular on it.

Collins: How'd we see this thing? Did we just look out the window and there it was?

Aldrin: Yes, and we weren't sure but that it might be the S-IVB [Saturn Rocket Third Stage]. We called the ground and were told the S-IVB was 6000 miles away. We had a problem with the High Gain about this time, didn't we?

Collins: There was something. We felt a bump or maybe I just imagined it.

Armstrong: He was wondering whether the MESA [Modular Equipment Stowage Assembly] had come off.

Collins: I don't guess we felt anything.

Aldrin: Of course, we were seeing all sorts of little objects going by at the various dumps and then we happened to see this one brighter object going by. We couldn't think of anything else it could be other than the S-IVB. We looked at it through the monocular and it seemed to have a bit of an L-shape to it.

Armstrong: Like an open suitcase.

Aldrin: We were in PTC [Passive Thermal Control] at the time so each one of us had a chance to take a look at this and it certainly seemed to be within our vicinity and of a very sizeable dimension.

Armstrong: We should say that it was right at the limit of the resolution of the eye. It was very difficult to tell just what shape it was. And there was no way to tell the size without knowing the range or the range without knowing the size.

Aldrin: So then I got down in the LEB [Lower Equipment Bay] and started looking for it in the optics. We were grossly misled because with the sextant off-focus what we saw appeared to be cylinder.

Armstrong: Or really two rings.

Aldrin: Yes.

Armstrong: Two rings. Two connected rings.

cntd.......

Collins: No, it looked like a hollow cylinder to me. It didn't look like two connected rings. You could see this thing tumbling and, when it came around end-on, you could look right down in its guts. It was a hollow cylinder. But then you could change the focus on the sextant and it would be replaced by this open-book shape. It was really weird.

Aldrin: I guess there's not too much more to say about it other than it wasn't cylinder.

Collins: It was during the period when we thought it was a cylinder that we inquired about the S-IVB and we'd almost convinced ourselves that's what it had to be. But we don't have any more conclusions than that really. The fact that we didn't see it much past this one time period - we really don't have a conclusion as to what it might have been, how big it was, or how far away it was. It was something that wasn't part of the urine dump, we're pretty sure of that. Skipping ahead a bit, when we jettisoned the LM, you know we fired an explosive charge and got rid of the docking rings and the LM went boom. Pieces came off the LM. It could have been some Mylar or something that had somehow come loose from the LM.

Aldrin: We thought it could have been a panel, but it didn't appear to have that shape at all.

Collins: That's right, and for some reason, we thought it might have been a part of the High Gain Antenna. It might have been about the time we had high gain antenna problems. In the back of my mind, I have some reason to suspect that its origin was from the spacecraft.

Aldrin: The other observation that I made accumulated gradually. I don't know whether I saw it the first night, but I'm sure I saw it the second night. I was trying to go to sleep with all the lights out. I observed what I thought were little flashes inside the cabin, spaced a couple of minutes apart and I didn't think too much about it other than just a note in my mind that they continued to be there. I couldn't explain why my eye would see these flashes. During trans-earth coast, we had more time and I devoted more opportunity to investigating what this could have been. It was at that point that I was able to observe on two different occasions that, instead of observing just one flash, I could see double flashes, at points separated by maybe a foot. At other times, I could see a line with no direction of motion and the only thing that comes to my mind is that this is some sort of penetration. At least that's my guess, without much to support it; some penetration of some object into the spacecraft that causes an emission as it enters the cabin itself. Sometimes it was one flash on entering. Possibly departing from an entirely different part of the cabin, outside the field of view. The double flashes appeared to have an entry and then impact on something such as the struts. For a while, I thought it might have been some static electricity because I was also able, in moving my hand up and down the sleep restraint, to generate very small sparks of static electricity. But there was a definite difference between the two as I observed it more and more. I tried to correlate this with the direction of the sun.When you put the window shades up there is still a small amount of Ieakage. You can generally tell within 20 or 30 degrees the direction of the sun. It seemed as though they were coming from that general direction; however, I really couldn't say if there was near enough evidence to support that these things were observable on the side of the spacecraft where the sun was. A little bit of evidence seemed to support this. I asked the others if they had seen any of these and, until about the last day, they hadn't.

cntd........

Armstrong: Buzz, I'd seen some light, but I just always attributed this to sunlight, because the window covers leak a little bit of light no matter how tightly secured. The only time I observed it was the last night when we really looked for it. I spent probably an hour carefully watching the inside of the spacecraft and I probably made 50 significant observations in this period.

Aldrin: Sometimes a minute or two would go by and then you'd see two within the space of 10 seconds. On an average, I'd say just as a guess it was maybe something like one a minute. Certainly more than enough to convince you that it wasn't an optical illusion. It did give you a rather funny feeling to contemplate that something was zapping through the cabin. There wasn't anything you could do about it.

Armstrong: It could be something like Buzz suggested. Mainly a neutron or some kind of an atomic particle that would be in the visible spectrum.

i was also expecting to hear something about the revelations coming from some of buzz's relatives..... cant recall exactly.... i think 'sister'.... which was supposed to be featured in 'i know what i saw'....... but nothing happened

any thoughts?

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*looks at Phage with a serious look* Phage.. I'm telling you, I WATCHED the entire show on the Science channel on the TV itself NOT the YouTube one and heard Buzz state in his OWN words...that he and Mike BOTH SAW a UFO.

So I don't understand how you can dismiss Buzz's testimony of seeing a UFO and even the SCI channel narrator STATED that this was a first!

It's easy to dismiss the video and blame the sound.. but, when the words come out of the man himself ..

hmmmm....the only thing I can say to that is that it's a VERY hard pill to swallow the truth sometimes and it was for me untill I KNEW something happened to me and I put 2&2 together and after everything I was believed in couldn't sway my personal experience ..

came down to .. 'whatever remains, no matter how improbable, had to be the truth'

I for one do hope you have a personal experience not to convince you of anything other than to set you free of the lies that have been told to the world. I do still deeply apprecaite your skeptic side and excellent insight and ability to gleen data and present it to ATS members in a very mater of fact way.

You can stay on the road your on .. but I have only 1 question..

"what if it's true....?"

[edit on 28-10-2009 by Komodo]

Phage are you a sort of new browser cause all I see you do is copy and paste in here

Dont you agree astronauts lie?

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Which is the lie, because your post contradicts itself?

In the majority of it you're claiming that Buzz and the crew saw a UFO tagging along with them on their Apollo flight

followed by:

Originally posted by mcrom901


and when somebody speaks the truth........

"YOU ARE A COWARD AND A LIAR"

(had to include that punch - superb strike!)

It needs to be made clear. Did they go to the moon or didn't they?
You can't have both conspiracies in the same post

My view, they went to the moon, Buzz Aldrin is a hero, not just because of the Apollo project, but because of everything that he has done. His career is an example to others.

Lets have a look at that punch again
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Nice one Buzz!

IF he saw something and decided to start mentioning it and was later informed afterward not to and he shouldn't have, then he is going to back track over it. You have to remember this guy probably has an excellent relationship with the Air Force and NASA, and to keep that going requires work from both parties (him + NASA/Air Force)

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nops.... you got that wrong.... i had no intention of mixing this around the moon hoax theory.... but kudos for dancing around the bush & trying to make an issue here by derailing..... what a joke....

check the contents of that quote you referred there.....

"YOU ARE A COWARD AND A LIAR"

nothing more......

as far as the punching goes.... are you feeling better now... you should have repeated it a few more times... maybe that would really cool you off....

double-standards?

Buzz Aldrin is a hero, not just because of the Apollo project, but because of everything that he has done.

yups... lie....

anyhow i don't care as to whatever the reasons might be for him to choose & continue to deceive the public.... but its obvious to many of us that he is just making a fool of himself......

btw.. its also cool... how you have phrased those assumptions just around that one scenario of 'sighting'... poor buzz

I can't remember the exact year, but I attended a book signing for Buzz Aldrin at Sebastian High School near Vero Beach, Florida around 2000. I was pretty excited. I had attended Space Academy in Alabama years prior and hoped for an autograph to send my dad back home for X-Mas. At the time, I was probably 19 or 20 and to the 22nd power more naive than I likely am now. I do not believe I had ever heard of the "moon hoax" prior to this event.

Now I'm sure it is possible for people to simply have bad interviewing/public speaking skills; however, I left here with the distinct impression that there is major misinformation going on and that Buzz Aldrin is extremely defensive. I must admit there is that chance that after years of people prompting certain inferences he may have adapted to answering questions defensively, but if this was the case, he played it off badly.

Only one question was asked in regards to any "hoax", but nearly every question he answered seemed as if they all pertained to this. before and after the "hoax" question he seemed to ramble (usually in disorganized near stutter) trying to justify this really happened.

Before this day. I had never really thought of him as lying or hiding something, or NASA for that matter. Ever since then I have become more skeptical and in that time picked up on many more similar instances.

[edit on 28-10-2009 by axisdenied]

Obviously everyone here is an adherent to some Lunar Cult. I mean you can see with the dedication, patriotism, and lack of wanting people to have other views.

Let's just say simple, "Is Buzz Aldrin your god?"

The way people act it is almost the same I see from Muslims and Evangelicans when it comes to their own religious beliefs.

Now since umm, Apollo is now a religion, like it was during the times of Classical Greece, except the god is Aldrin and Armstrong rather than the greek nude statue.

People if you want to keep religion out of science, then please don't revere people as if they were prophets. Even the notion "hero" is a totally religious notion that we should avoid using.

What happened to good ole' skepticy? It is okay to be skeptical about the existence of extraterrestrials, but it is not okay to be skeptical about the Lunar Missions? Why? Like I said, it is as if we are attacking someone's religion which has taking over almost the entire community of ATS.

If someone seriously believes something is fishy about the Lunar Mission, then let him. If they believe we used alien technology to go to the moon, then let him.

If you seriously are just going to keep shunning us about what we believe and constantly demand truth. Well you know what? You are in the wrong forum, pal. Like the old saying says, "If you've got nothing good to say, then say nothing at all." And if you are bored, go watch Fox News. To be here and have no reason to be here other than to ridicule people who speak about extraterrestrials or to express doubt on someone's reason to bring up this very subject as I just have is downright sickening and disrespectful.

It is okay to ask for evidence. It is okay to show doubt on someone's views. But when we go this far to be disrespectful towards our own fellow members of this forum by shunning them when they express themselves as if they aren't following your faith. Then I've just got to put my foot down, because this is disgusting behavior that shouldn't be a norm for us, especially on here.

Originally posted by mcrom901
reply to post by Daisy-Lola

 

nops.... you got that wrong.... i had no intention of mixing this around the moon hoax theory.... but kudos for dancing around the bush & trying to make an issue here by derailing..... what a joke....

check the contents of that quote you referred there.....

"YOU ARE A COWARD AND A LIAR"

nothing more......

Then I suggest you check your sources before posting. Bart Sibrel claimed that Apollo 11 never went to the moon, which is what he was calling Buzz a liar about. It may not have been your intention to include a moon hoax theory, but that's what happens when you don't check your sources

Originally posted by mcrom901
as far as the punching goes.... are you feeling better now... you should have repeated it a few more times... maybe that would really cool you off....

If you insist!
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Originally posted by mcrom901
double-standards?

Buzz Aldrin is a hero, not just because of the Apollo project, but because of everything that he has done.

yups... lie....

Prove it. Prove his career is a lie
Prove he didnt fly those combat missions in Korea
Prove he didnt go to MIT and get an Sc.D. degree in Astronautics

Easy to call someone a liar with the comfort of anonymity of a faceless website. At least Bart Sibrel had the balls to go up and confront him

Originally posted by mcrom901
anyhow i don't care

That's the problem, you don't care. You're only interested in getting as many flags as possible, not who you have to try and chew up to get there. You want a flag? No probs, I'll give you a flag if that's all you want

Annoying to get a quote out of context isn't it?