Why is there so much Jew Hating on ATS

reply to post by mopusvindictus


Really, so the statements made by this racist are not racist? Or are you blindly stupid enough to see them?

I have seen a bias against Jews on this forum, have also seen it against Muslims and homosexuals as well as racism.

If we are going to uphold democracy then those with differing views to our own have as much right to be aired as long as they do not incite violence imho.

This whole thread really is a time waster, I don't know why I keep checking in here.

There is a lot of important stuff on here to talk about besides being against each other.

[edit on 5-10-2009 by mkross1983]

Dark Ghost, I did say that I do not know who wrote the Protocols.
Who wrote them is not even as important as it is to notice that they are a plan for domination and that most of them have been implemented and are working.

No, I’m not from the nation of Islam. I consider myself and independent free thinker.

You are saying Jesuits? Yes, and does anyone know exactly who or what they are?
They pretend to be Christian. I read that they are the Military arm of the Vatican.

I have tried to find a neat comprehensive article that would tie up the Jesuits and the Zionists as one, but none of them were that simple, and there is, as would be expected, a lot of controversy on the matter.
There is mention that Stalin was a Zionist trained by Jesuits. There are bits and pieces of hints here and there, but noting concise.

Don't you wonder why there are so many Jews in high places....in our government?

Joe Biden said he was a Zionist. His son is said to be a Jesuit. (for what its worth)

Ok you all have been hashing this stuff around for awhile.
Let's say your home work assignment in DENY IGNORANCE ---
Is to go home and prepare a short paragraph describing
Leon Trotsky
I would bet you couldn't honestly do it with in ATS rules.

reply to post by December_Rain


Everyone is biased to one degree or another.

I am not defending dopers beliefs nor judging them either.

I said he wasn't a dis info agent.

And you are free to talk tons of smack about Islam Just as well as Jews. Neither group is particularly off limits in our Non racist culture... I'd even say Jews still have a bit more power to ward it off in fairness



[edit on 6-10-2009 by mopusvindictus]

My question is: Like Texans - they don't call themselves Americans like the other 49 states do. Israelis do not call themselves Israelis they call themselves Jews. In my opinion that makes everything hard to distinguish when you are trying to make a point. I don't dislike Texan's I dislike what Texas stands for - I don't dislike Jews - I dislike what Israel stands for.

How's that?

Originally posted by finemanm
Why is there so much antisemitism on this website? For a forum with a motto of Deny Ignorance, there are constant threads and posts where people take the most ignorant positions such as denying the holocaust or claiming that Jews are trying to run the world.

I really don't understand it, I go hit with a double warning for making slightly offensive remark about another poster's apparent infatuation with Obama, but people are allowed to deny the right of a people to exist, to deny the murder of millions of innocent people based on their cultural background, and blame a tiny minority for all the world's problems.

I really get tired of constantly trying to be a counter to all this ignorance. I came to this site to learn, and I have. I learned about swine flu before any of my friends, and I have learned a lot about the global financial meltdown, and other topics that are very interesting. However, I have also learned that there are still people in this world who hate Jews even though they probably never met a Jew in their lives.

At least your genocide is recognised. There are other cultures and ethnic groups who were also butchered but there's no formal recognition in most countries of those events.

People confuse Judaism with Zionism. That's the problem.
I don't think people are knowingly anti-Jew, they are just ignorant(not trying to insult anyone).

Just like the Arab countries have their extremists, so does Israel in the form of Zionists. Orthodox Jews for example oppose Zionism.

Originally posted by Fromabove
To say there is no hate for Jews is a deception. To say you hate the Zionists in Israel but not the Jews is like saying I hate citizens of the United States but I love Americans. Israel is a democracy and an ally to the western world. How does one say they hate the Zionists then. For war crimes..? A matter of opinion, we would do the same and it all depends on how you see it. The real war criminals are the Arabs and Persians and we should stop hating everything Israel does. So to be back on topic and to the point. You can't say "I hate the Zionists but not the Jews.." Just admit it that you do so we can be clear on the matter. What would you say, I love Harlem, I just don't care for all the black people there...? See how ridiculous that sounds..?

rubbish.

I consider the US federal government to be a criminal enterprise and so do many people I know but all of us love America...

Jews Against Zionism LINK

Traditional Jews Are Not Zionists Although there are those who refuse to accept the teachings of our Rabbis and will continue to support the Zionist state, there are also many who are totally unaware of the history of Zionism and its contradiction to the beliefs of Torah-True Jews.

A little perspective always helps:

The core of the Zionist controversey goes back to the choosing of the first king of the jews. Many of the tribes of Israel objected on the grounds that their only King was G-d, and considered choosing a "King" as idolatry.. the use of graven images to represent G-d. IMO that is the historical core of this issue.

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"What we in America call terrorists are really groups of people that reject the international system..." --
Henry Kissinger, speaking at a conference hosted by AKbank in Istanbul Turkey on May 31, 2007

'We'll make a pastrami sandwich of them .. we'll insert a strip of Jewish settlements in between the Palestinians, and then another strip of Jewish settlements right across the West Bank, so that in 25 years time, neither the United Nations nor the United States, nobody, will be able to tear it apart. "
(Ariel (Arik) Sharon, 1973)


[edit on 6-10-2009 by seataka]

Back to the question, "Why is there so much Jew hating on ATS?"

Why not first ask, "Why is there so much Jew hating in the World?"

Why has there been so much Jew hating almost since the beginning of time?

Why have they been repeatedly thrown out of every country they have ever moved into? There have also been victims of many massacres thru out history.

Actually is is this very attitude that has held them together; better said by one of their own:

"Anti-semitism is nothing but the antagonistic attitude produced in the non-Jew by the Jewish group.
The Jewish group has thrived on oppression and on the antagonism it has forever met in the world...
the root cause is their use of enemies they create in order to keep their own solidarity.."
Albert Einstein, quoted in Collier's Magazine, Novermber 26, 1938

Don't expect any changes. Political Correctness is already killing us.

About the slogan "Deny Ignorance"
It seems to be praised.
What am I missing?
This always causes a large measure of cognitive dissonance here.

ig⋅no⋅rance  /ˈɪgnərəns/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ig-ner-uhns]

–noun the state or fact of being ignorant; lack of knowledge, learning, information, etc.
n. The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed.

So we are to deny that we are uninformed, unaware, uneducated..?

I find their Spelled Pronunciation to be ignorant/crude/vulgar.

Why is there so much Jew Hating on ATS

Because it is allowed.

reply to post by stevegmu


See I started this thread because I have noticed a specific modus operandi on this site relating to Jews and Israel.

The formula: find a story about something that happened in Israel, criticize the Israeli government, criticize the US support for Israel, deny Israel's right to exist, claim that Israelis are warmongers, blame all the world's problems on Israel.

Even in threads that have nothing to do with Israel, e.g. 9/11 threads, people claim that Israel was behind it, that Mossad did it, that rich Jews benefited from it, and all kinds of related non-sense.

The worldwide Jewish population is 13.3 million Jews. Jewish population growth worldwide is close to zero percent. From 2000 to 2001 it rose 0.3%, compared to worldwide population growth of 1.4%.

In 2001, 8.3 million Jews lived in the Diaspora and 4.9 million lived in Israel. Just about half of the world’s Jews reside in the Americas, with about 46 percent in North America. (top)

Approximately 37% of worldwide Jewry lives in Israel. Israel's Jewish population rose by 1.6% the past year, while the Diaspora population dropped by 0.5%.

Europe, including the Asian territories of the Russian Republic and Turkey, accounts for about 12 percent of the total. Fewer than 2 percent of the world’s Jews live in Africa and Oceania.

Metropolitan Tel Aviv, with 2.5 million Jews, is the world's largest Jewish city. It is followed by New York, with 1.9 million, Haifa 655,000, Los Angeles 621,000, Jerusalem 570,000, and southeast Florida 514,000.

In 2001, 8 countries had a Jewish population of 100,000 or more; another 5 countries had 50,000 or more. There is not a single Diaspora country where Jews amounted to 2.5 percent of the total population. Only 3 Diaspora countries had more than 1 percent. Gibraltar (24.0 per 1000), United States (20.1), Canada (11.9), France (8.8), Uruguay (6.7), Argentina (5.3), Hungary (5.2), and Australia (5.1)[1] had the highest ratios.

judaism.about.com.../XJ/Ya&sdn=judaism&cdn=religion&tm=17&f=00&tt=14&bt=1&bts=1&zu=http%3A//www.simpletoremember. com/vitals/world-jewish-population.htm

How can a ethnic group that accounts for less than 1% of the world's population be responsible for all the world's problems. Sure, there are a lot of Jews in positions of power, but why is that a negative thing? Education is very highly valued in the Jewish culture. I'm not saying that Jews are inherently smarter than anyone, just that in order to survive millennia of persecution, Jews have found ways to make themselves useful.

I know that a lot of people hate Jews because of the whole chosen people thing, but don't people of all faiths believe that they are the chosen people? Don't Christians believe that the only way to salvation is by accepting Jesus Christ as your savior? Don't Muslims believe that the only way into the glory of heaven is to follow the teachings of the Prophet as espoused in the Qaran?

I don't get it. I am sure that many of the anti-Jew/Israel members of ATS have probably never even met a Jew.

reply to post by mkross1983


So how many times are you going to contribute the same thing to this thread that it is somehow useless. Every year we observe black history month and school children are taught about the leadership and bravery of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Is it a waist of time to bring it up every year?

If you think this thread is pointless, stop clicking into it.

reply to post by OhZone


I have heard that the Jews today have Hitler to thank for their continued existence. It is quite ironic that the man credited with trying to exterminate the Jews of the world, in a perverse way, helped to perpetuate the Jewish existence.

In the early 1930's German Jews had pretty much assimilated into German society, and after the rise of communism in Russia, Jews began to assimilate there as well. There were many Jews inter-marrying and who didn't really see themselves as "Jews," they thought that they were German, Russian, Polish, French etc...

Thanks to the Holocaust, Jews came closer together and have become far more nationalistic in their own background.

Originally posted by ShadoMan
My question is: Like Texans - they don't call themselves Americans like the other 49 states do. Israelis do not call themselves Israelis they call themselves Jews. In my opinion that makes everything hard to distinguish when you are trying to make a point. I don't dislike Texan's I dislike what Texas stands for - I don't dislike Jews - I dislike what Israel stands for.

How's that?

As both a Texan and a Jew, I can understand what you are saying here. I do wonder why you don't like what Texas stands for ... as for Israel, right now, I can understand that confusion that many have. There are many Jews who are wondering why those in leadership are bothering appealing to other nations rather than enforcing the Laws that the land is supposed to be upholding..

Perhaps if our Laws were enforced, there would be less confusion of what the Jewish People stand for. The truly religious of the Jews are seeking enlightenment for the sake of all those who are affected by the events taking place.

reply to post by finemanm

find a story about something that happened in Israel, criticize the Israeli government, criticize the US support for Israel, deny Israel's right to exist, claim that Israelis are warmongers, blame all the world's problems on Israel.

Where do you get off by saying" blame all the worlds problems on Israel"

Who has done this? show us who said it

deny Israel's right to exist

um once again show us who said it ?

claim that Israelis are warmongers

A warmonger is a pejorative term that is used to describe someone who is eager to encourage a people or nation to go to war.

Well if you read posts and the news you would know this is true.

you blamed Australia as haters towards your country because of my difference of opinion.

I suggest that you take a long holiday and get over it .you are becoming repetitive.



Thanks

reply to post by December_Rain

December, you might as well hang it up.

Apparently, you wouldn't know racism if it bitch-slapped you up side the head.

You just get irritated when I present either facts you don't want to hear (God forbid we introduce fact, history, or historical incidents), or if I say the obvious.

For example, is it wrong to take a quote directly out of the Qur'an, and place it in my statements.

Gee, I hope not.

I was never around racists. I do not understand racism.

I do, however understand ignorance due to intolerance.

Blind bias.

It disgusts me, but I have to live with it.

But I don't have to live with posting inaccurate information.

reply to post by finemanm


In the end these people are Cowards

They have been "terrorized" the truth is right now there are 1.5 Billion Islamic people and hardly any Jews...

Just like Obama didn't visit the Dali Lama today to kiss Chinese butt, many people simply are so TERRIFIED by war or money they will believe or rationalize anything...

Obviously it is much less of a fight to simply blame the Jews than to demand Islam calms the hell down...

Just like it is EASY for Obama to bow to the Chinese rather than support the Dali Lama

Once upon a time, The people of the USA weren't frightened and comfortable, they stood for right and wrong, today they simply fear loosing their comfort zone...

Originally posted by stevegmu
Because it is allowed.

It most certainly is not.

Maybe you missed my post here.

And maybe, before you continue to make such an assertion, you ought to read it.



Edit to add - can we can the personal rhetoric please? It would be nice just to have a sensible discussion on this subject without it.





[edit on 7/10/09 by neformore]

After thousands of years of being bullied, persecuted in the worst ways possible, being kicked out of their homes and countries, and being a scapegoat for for every wrong in the world for centuries, and now, having their own country, surounded by enemies, you had better believe these guys are going to react when pushed! And also do not be surprised that along with the former comes a nuclear arsonal and a very well equipt military!

I do not support everything my jewish bretheren do, including persecuting Messianic (christian) jews like myself, but you cannot blame them for the defensive attitude after literally 2500 years of occupation, disporia, genocide, percecution and on and on............

And as for the palistinians? The israelis have bent over backwards for them in terms of offering medicare, citizenship, jobs, and even to the point of yet again, thousands of jews being displaced from their own homes in gaza, from townships they built up with the sweat of their brows, in a place that was just a wasteland before they arrived. And what did the palistinians do? They wreck the place, burnt places down, and started to daily fire on israel to provoke them... It worked! They have only themselves to blame!

And finally, there is no difference to be being an israeli or a jew. And on that, a zionist too, because to be a zionist is to love israel; jewish nationalism. Other people have turned zionism into a worldwide conspiracy when it isnt. Well not for true jews.