Why is there so much Jew Hating on ATS

Originally posted by mkross1983

Link some threads and lets debate 'em.

If this thread is going to remain open we might as well debate it.

He is using the old standards.

We don't use those ones anymore because they have not been very effective:

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(It looks like chiron didn't get the memo; There are now more than three categories. )




[edit on 4-10-2009 by Exuberant1]

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OMG Exuberant1 ROTF that was great and sadly so true. Thanks for the lift.

I'm with Slayer I don't hate the Jews I'm Israel critical and for good reason.

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lol, you lost me on this one, sorry not quite sure what you mean here.

definition of Semite: a member of any of various ancient and modern peoples originating in SW Asia, among whom are the Hebrews and Arabs.

definition of Semitic: an important subfamily of Afro-Asiatic languages, including Akkadian, Arabic, Aramaic, Hebrew, and Phoenician.

If you are anti-Semitic, you are against a language.

If you are anti-Semite, you are against members of a region.

Arabs hate Hebrews. Arabs are anti-Semites.

Jews hate Arabs. Jews are anti-Semites.

I don't hate them. They hate each other.

definition of gentile: of or pertaining to any people not Jewish.

anti-gentile: you are against any people not Jewish.

You cannot become a full citizen of Israel unless you are Jewish. answers.yahoo.com...

Therefore, we see that Jews are anti-Semites, and anti-gentile.

First question: Could I do that in America?

Second question: Why do the Semites and gentiles support them?



[edit on 4-10-2009 by Jim Scott]

Originally posted by Exuberant1

Originally posted by mkross1983

Link some threads and lets debate 'em.

If this thread is going to remain open we might as well debate it.

He is using the old standards.

We don't use those ones anymore because they have not been very effective:

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(It looks like chiron didn't get the memo; There are now more than three categories.

)

[edit on 4-10-2009 by Exuberant1]

You are making a direct link between supporting Israel as a homeland for Jews with supporting a Government whose policies have led to the suffering of Palestinians. Where is the picture of the average Israeli (or supporter of Israel) that just wants Israelis to have the right to live in peace and security?

People like you are tying to make this a Black and White issue. Sorry, but it is not a Black and White issue. People who support Israel's right to exist are not automatically radical Zionists who desire Palestinian blood. You have been so brainwashed by anti-Israel propaganda that you have lost your ability to be balanced and fair when assessing the situation in the ME.

[edit on 4/10/2009 by Dark Ghost]

Originally posted by finemanm
Why is there so much antisemitism on this website? For a forum with a motto of Deny Ignorance, there are constant threads and posts where people take the most ignorant positions such as denying the holocaust or claiming that Jews are trying to run the world.

OK. I'll bite.

Calling for the destruction of jewish people, or denegrating them, soley because they are jewish would be a breach of the T&C, as it would be hate speech. The same would apply to any group of people, be they muslim, christian etc - and it would also apply to different races and minorities. Most - if not all - posts in that manner are removed as soon as we become aware of them.

Discussing the holocaust - as distasteful as it may be - is not against the T&C providing none of the above occurs

Discussing claims that some jewish people, or any other people for that matter, run the world is not against the T&C providing none of the above occurs

Discussing/disagreeing with the actions of the state of Israel, and the policies of the Israeli government is fine providing none of the above occurs.

Sadly there are some people who can't separate the two, and there are also those over-sensitve people who mix up discussion with "hate"

When the line is crossed, between opinion and hate, it is a judgement call for the staff to make if the post is alerted and we become aware of it - we can't see everything all the time as it happens. The staff is made up of people of differing faiths, beliefs and political leanings from all over the world.

Everyone runs around saying "The Israeli Apartheid Regime oppresses Arabs and non-Jews! Oh the plight of the Palestinians! Free Palestine!"

Its all bull.

Oppressing Arabs and non-Jews? There are Christians and Muslims in their Parliament, in their economy, and in their military. They enjoy a higher standard of living than most other Middle Eastern countries. And before you cite the riots of Arabs versus Jews, remember the LA riots? Those were racially motivated too. It happens. It just does, one group will always feel threatened by another. The Druze would be under constant threat if the Golan Heights weren't a part of Israel. Syria's Shiite majority has never felt at ease with the Ismaili minority. Now that they've become part of Israel they have better rights, they serve in the Parliament and in the military. A population of 120k people getting equality, sure sounds like oppression to me.

The plight of Palestine? Caused by Arab nationalism. Shiite and Sunni extremists and aggressors helped create Israel's sense of being under attack constantly. If they didn't attack all those times to wipe out Israel, the Middle East would be immensely peaceful at the moment. But no, they had to go on and declare full on war or jihad to poke at Israel, and then cry foul when Israel pokes back.

Free Palestine? It can be free. If the Palestinian Authority agrees to a peace deal. Yet they never will. Nor will they stop insurgents from launching their own attacks. Arab countries won't do anything. Egypt has a large area of sparsely populated land, with UN aid they could easily empty the Gaza Strip and leave it demilitarized. Yet have they thought about it? No. Why? Because without the Gaza Strip and West Bank, Arab countries have no grounds to try to decry Israel's existence.

Originally posted by finemanm
Why is there so much antisemitism on this website? For a forum with a motto of Deny Ignorance, there are constant threads and posts where people take the most ignorant positions such as denying the holocaust or claiming that Jews are trying to run the world.

First of all, questioning the holocaust is not ignorant. Untill such a time as there is a time machine so that people who were not there can view events as they happened, you are just defending rhetoric. Word of mouth and photos with a carefully crafted story do not prove an event, evidence like bodies prove an event, but we all know there are no bodies.


Second, pointing out that rich Jews hold unelected positions of power and discussing the extent of that influence in the political arena is not being ignorant. Jews do sit in positions of influence, they do make decisions that ultimately effect the lives millions of people. But I guess you;d rather people just not talk about that.

Last I looked Jews were not the epitome of righteousness. You're just another apologist who likes to quash debate by playing the race card. Do you even know what "anti-semitic" is?

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When people share information about Israel's anti-anything actions around the world, or share info on research into the Holocaust (Registered Trademark), or speak about who has power and control in our world, it is NOT Anti-Semitism. It IS sharing knowledge.

Anti-Semitism is a bandage term applied to anyone and any information that is opposed to Israel's activities in the world.

You will find most people are not against the Jewish people, but many are against what Israel is seen to do in its own neighborhood and the rest of the globe.

Perhaps it is time to stop applying this misinformed Label of Anti-Semitism and see what is really being said.

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After reading your post I can only think of one response:

[size=four]Enough Said.

Seriously, that sums it up, and it's absolutely true. I don't see people hating on Jewish people either. Just the whole Israel/politico scenario.

Big, big difference.

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I do believe you are most likely mistaken, as there is no "Jew hating" on ATS.

Hating anyone, of any race, and spewing forth nonsense about them, is strictly against the Terms and Conditions of this fine website.

If you believe that something is being said directly because someone is Jewish, or vice versa, then providing a link to it would be kindly appreciated.

As I noticed it said elsewhere, there is a distinct difference between "Jew hating" and hating a country, like Israel, and her actions, and while I have never stated anything about the country, or the people of Israel, except in defending them in context of the Holocaust, I have to say without you supplying a link, a reference to such, especially in your original opening post, I have to say I am slightly offended.

I would never hang around with Nazi's and Jew haters.

While I cannot speak for anyone other than myself, nor can I speak about the actions of anyone else other than those dearest friends who made it to my friends list, I have to say this website smashes "hating" of any kind, and as for myself I have done more towards shedding the light on a host of taboo knowledge than anyone can ever care to know unless they have read every single one of my threads and posts.

Like how this...

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...is linked to this...

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...which is linked to this...

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...and how we should never forget the Holocaust because of this...

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Speak not lest you know not of what you speak.

Judge not lest ye be judged.


[edit on 4-10-2009 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

Well well....

More Jewish supporters crying foul whenever we don't approve of Israel. The country BTW, not the people.

I don't think I have ever seen anti-semitism from an established member here at ATS. Sure the newbies come in and spout the negative rhetoric that we see all too often, however, that should not be used to generalize the ATS membership as being "Jew Haters".

I personally know tons of Jews, heck, my neighboor is a Jew. (A cheap one at that...Kidding..) I am not a fan of Israel the nation, because of it's policies and "Carte Blanche" status with all the representative nations of the world.

That's it. No hate towards Jews, there's no point in blaming a sect of people for problems unless you can actually see that they are causing problems.

In this case the STATE of Israel has been a problem. So have a lot of other nations. Israel just seems to not have any reprocussions for it's actions. This is what we do not like.

~Keeper

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I see very little anti-semitism on ATS. Not many deny the holocaust. The most I have seen in terms of holocaust denial is a threat that provided evidence that perhaps the numbers were exxagerated.

I see a lot more people that outright criticize and blame Obama over stupid things.

There's been plenty of threads condemning Israel for their actions. But that's not "Jew hating" as Israel has a secular govt.

There's also been many threads criticizing many other people.

Quoting Dark Ghost: “Using any of the above and saying things like "Jew-controlled media" and "Jews control the Senate" is being anti-Jew.”

****Is a FACT and is NOT anti-Jew.

The writer(s) of the Protocols is unknown.
Have you read them?
You should, then you would know what you are talking about.
They are a description of a game plan.
It is almost completed, as you would see if you read them.

Do not equate “Zion(ist) with Jew.
They may or may not be Jews.

I seem to see more christian hating and muslim hating around.

Oh well, let's all just chill

[edit on 4-10-2009 by _Phoenix_]

anything unappropriate the moderators delete so there is no anti-semitism on ATS. whatever it is ur refering to you can thank Mayer Amschel Rothschild for...

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws."
- M.A. Rothschild

Just as many others have said, I haven't seen a any Anti-Semitism here. I've seen plenty of animosity and anger toward a hateful and violent Israeli government though.

And there is a BIG difference between hating an entire nation and religious belief system, and hating a disgusting government and those who support it.

Israel has been a hypocrite, demanding things of Iran while refusing to follow the same ideals regarding Nuclear development/proliferation.
Israel bombed the UN in Gaza.
Israel has slaughtered many innocent Palestinians.
Israel refused to admit using white phosphorous in Gaza, even when it was SEEN BY THE WORLD!
Israel continues to STEAL LAND FROM PEOPLE.
Israel is on record censoring the press, restricting freedom of the press and limiting access to global media when it's critical of them.
Israel continues to imprison the people of Gaza, isolating them from the world however they can, cutting off aid, supplies, medicine...

Do I really need to go on listing their crimes?

Stating the above has absolutely nothing to do with religion. My voice is just as loud and I am just as opinionated when I see U.S. "Police" beating up students, Iranian governments oppressing the will of their people, British MP's stealing our tax money for Duck Islands and Moat cleaning...

I would finally like to make clear that what happened to the JEWISH PEOPLE in history was horrific. Of that there is absolutely no doubt.
But what is happening now to the Palestinian people is also horrific.

When anyone supports the Israeli government in their actions I have to wonder of their sanity. It is clearly wrong, clearly hateful and clearly obscene.
To even see the suggestion that it is "self defence" makes my stomach turn.

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Been keeping off the anti-Israeli threads for the last few days but this post needs a response...

If you want sanctions against Israel for it's infractions against hostile neighbors who from day one have lamented the fact that they lacked the ability to wipe Israel from the map and throw every jewish man, woman and child into the Mediterranean that's fine. Let the IAEA in, level sanctions on them for insisting on bulding settlements on the West Bank. All infractions that even I agree should be dealt with. Do not, however, pretend that Israel hasn't been provoked repeatedly in the last 60 years by the very war mongering you accuse the jewish state of. Egypt, Syria, Jordan and the Palestinians haven't exactly been the definition of neighborly in that time frame... and as a result of three unilateral attacks on four fronts from this group (sans Jordan in 1973), the Egyptians lost Gaza and the Jordanians lost the West Bank - a small price for attempted genocide. I say the Egyptians and the Jordanians because prior to the U.N. (note I stated U.N., not a bunch of war mongering secular jews, but the U.N.) establishing the Israeli state in '48, the Palestinians STILL had no homeland and were at war on and off with the Jordanians for the West Bank and areas east! The presence of the new Israeli state just gave them a new target... I realize that had little to do with your original post, but I felt it necessary to illustrate just how NOT black and white this issue has become and how, in reality, muddled this whole ME mess truly is...

That being said, I will emphatically state that denying or questioning the existence of the holocaust is TRULY ignorant, under the basest definition of the term. You say a few photos and word-of-mouth? What about the branding of the jews (of which you can still find remnants in some of the older generations) with tattooed numbers? They all decide to do that themselves in order to trick the world into feeling sorry for them? Sworn afidavits signed by the very nazis in charge of the final solution before the Nuremburg trials? Or were they forged or coerced? The German apologists who, to this day feel a stain on their country for what was done? Were they brainwashed? Throw that video at me again of the guy claiming that the death Chambers were a myth because the Cyclon-B residue was higher in the de-lousing chambers than the death chambers, please (an idiotic piece where the interviewer claimed that he could deny the holocaust because more jews died being de-loused and gassed than they did at the actual camps being gassed)...

Deny the above which are matters of historical fact, not MSM manipulation, and I will argue that the Earth is the center of the universe... after all, we simply have some "photos" and "word of mouth" from purported scientists... and who knows if Galileo actually existed, after all, we don't even have a photo of him. Heliocentricity is blasphemy, you know... or maybe that the moon is made of cheese... seriously, have you been there? Do you know for a fact that it's not? A highly dubious claim if you state otherwise...