Could you wish an ETERNITY of hell on someone?

reply to post by WarMind
My sweet person. There could not be a more level field to play on.
That is what Jesus Christ did for all of us.
That is all I have to say.



[edit on 2-10-2009 by randyvs]

No.

I do have a strong faith in that which I term *God*...and I do have a belief in some concept of *Hell*.
However I also believe that its not for me to judge, or to hope or pray that someone may experience such.

To me that is certainly NOT something I'd see as in any way within what I'd personally see as what my *God* would have me focus on energy upon.

I've been wronged before...in some of the most despicable ways. So too people I love...however the rage I may feel, the hurt I may feel, in no way could it ever *grant* me such an action as to wish Hell upon the perpetrator.

Sure - I may occasionally wish to be granted a few minutes alone with them, an angle-grinder, a potato-peeler, a few fish-hooks, pliers and razor blades....and for that length of time that may feel like Hell for them...but not a wish...

...such desires that crop up are also desires that I know I would wear the consequences of. My actions are mine...and so if I was to ever go down that road of vicious vengence I know also that is not what my *God* wishes of me...and so too I will eventually be held accountable for that.



Peace.

it's still not really clear what kind of Hell Jesus was talking about. he could have meant a hellish realm one's soul enters for a long amount of time. I don't think he literally meant forever and ever.

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YEAH DUDE! TECHNO VIKING! But on topic, yes I could condemn people to hell; I wish I could walk the streets and legally judge and exterminate, but alas...

I have wished eternal hell for a person that I unfortunately still know to this day. In all reality though, even that one person I would never want to ACTUALLY condemn them to being burned alive for ever and ever.

Christianity is a silly thing. "Love thy neighbor" and at the same time, teaches to burn and pillage and rape those who don't think like you....Well maybe not directly. But the stories in the bible tell their own lesson.

There are two visions of hell that I have. I was raised a Catholic but have yet to be confirmed, so whatever I am missing is due to incomplete education
1. The logical hell
Hell is a bad place.
Satan rules hell.
Thus, Satan=bad
Bad people go to hell, right?
So, if Satan is bad, hell is bad, and bad people go there, why are they tortured there?
Satan should welcome his bad souls to his bad hell. They should not be being tortured by Satan, but in some sort of Heaven. Its like a double negative. Satan (evil) + people/souls (evil) = good. Satan would reward his new souls for joining him and doing his work on Earth, no?
If this were the case, yes I would wish an eternity of hell on everyone I know.
If someone bad dies and goes to hell, they should be as rewarded as someone good dies and goes to heaven.

2. The normal hell
Fire, death, torture, demons...
I would not wish this hell on anybody.

In moments of anger yes!

When not ruled by that egoic demon, no
certainly not.

PS: I don't believe in Hell but this place may resemble it oneday.

I think that as here on earth like minds attract each other, But there's a greater demarcation on the astral level, But the same principal applies.

I couldn't wish hell on anyone either.

I think that people who would wish something like that on somebeody deserve to go there themselves.

Originally posted by Donnie Darko
A lot of people who consider themselves Christians have no problem with God sending non-believers and sinners to eternal suffering. This has always bothered me immensely, that God sends anyone to Hell, I can't think of a crime that deserves infinite punishment, and many Christians believe even not believing is a crime worthy of eternal Hell.

Christianity is a religion of oppression. If anyone has ever condemned you to hell, no worries .. what they use as their foundation, the Tanakh, does not support such views. Rather the Tanakh says that when we die, that is it for us.

Hell is created in the here and now by those very souls who condemn so many others to it.

I do have thoughts of seeing the people or things that I hate that deserve to go to hell. But I get over my anger by thinking of different ways to deal with the person or thing in my mind. Eventually when my internal anger lets go I then forgive the person in my mind.

My mind however when I'm depressed suggests that I don't deserve to ascend but rather stay in the lower density world where there is a lot for me to learn still. To deal with things the hard way, to deal with pain and suffering the hard way. My subconscious mind tells me that I will die by a virus sometime during 2012. That thought has been sticking with me for quite a few years, I somehow can't ignore that thought in my head it always pops up when depressed, my mind thinks it owns my soul.

I just don't want the thought to manifest into reality, as they say there is such a thing as Law of Attraction.

Originally posted by justamomma

Originally posted by Donnie Darko
A lot of people who consider themselves Christians have no problem with God sending non-believers and sinners to eternal suffering. This has always bothered me immensely, that God sends anyone to Hell, I can't think of a crime that deserves infinite punishment, and many Christians believe even not believing is a crime worthy of eternal Hell.

Christianity is a religion of oppression. If anyone has ever condemned you to hell, no worries .. what they use as their foundation, the Tanakh, does not support such views. Rather the Tanakh says that when we die, that is it for us.

Hell is created in the here and now by those very souls who condemn so many others to it.

Don't Jewish people believe in a temporary hell and a permanent heaven? I could be wrong, actually I think different rabbis believe different things about the afterlife, Judaism isn't a dogmatic religion.

Originally posted by Donnie Darko

Originally posted by justamomma

Originally posted by Donnie Darko
A lot of people who consider themselves Christians have no problem with God sending non-believers and sinners to eternal suffering. This has always bothered me immensely, that God sends anyone to Hell, I can't think of a crime that deserves infinite punishment, and many Christians believe even not believing is a crime worthy of eternal Hell.

Christianity is a religion of oppression. If anyone has ever condemned you to hell, no worries .. what they use as their foundation, the Tanakh, does not support such views. Rather the Tanakh says that when we die, that is it for us.

Hell is created in the here and now by those very souls who condemn so many others to it.

Don't Jewish people believe in a temporary hell and a permanent heaven? I could be wrong, actually I think different rabbis believe different things about the afterlife, Judaism isn't a dogmatic religion.

There are of course the superstitious ... but most Jewish people don't believe such things. As for "the world to come".. that is more thought of as what we are leaving to the next generations. So what we make of today will impact the generations that come tomorrow. In that sense, yes, heaven or hell could exist. As a People, we are less mystical than most assume. We don't focus on death, but rather we focus on today and what we are creating in terms of the future on this planet.

Besides, in the sense that you are speaking of, it is not supported in our Scriptures. Read Ecclesiastes 9:5-6,10 and Ecclesiastes 3:19,20 as well as Psalm 146:3,4. Theese are only a few of the many places that are clear that when we die, that is it.

The superstitious Jews have only misunderstood the resurrection .. which is speaking of the People back to the land rather than a zombie type of resurrection that most believe. Most Jews have come around to see what is common sense. THat this is Life and after death is nothing.

Hope that helps clear it up.

reply to post by Donnie Darko


The Bible never clearly defines Hell. There is the Lake of Fire at the end of Revelations which no one will go to until AFTER final judgment.

And then there's the other Hell mentioned briefly in the Bible.

The whole fire and brimstone thing and the very idea of a right-after-you-die judgment aren't established as a certainty in the self-contradictory scripture of the Bible.

So to answer your question no, there isn't a single human being I would wish eternal Hell upon and that's coming from a human being sans the supposed celestial love of God.

Originally posted by justamomma

Originally posted by Donnie Darko

Originally posted by justamomma

Originally posted by Donnie Darko
A lot of people who consider themselves Christians have no problem with God sending non-believers and sinners to eternal suffering. This has always bothered me immensely, that God sends anyone to Hell, I can't think of a crime that deserves infinite punishment, and many Christians believe even not believing is a crime worthy of eternal Hell.

Christianity is a religion of oppression. If anyone has ever condemned you to hell, no worries .. what they use as their foundation, the Tanakh, does not support such views. Rather the Tanakh says that when we die, that is it for us.

Hell is created in the here and now by those very souls who condemn so many others to it.

Don't Jewish people believe in a temporary hell and a permanent heaven? I could be wrong, actually I think different rabbis believe different things about the afterlife, Judaism isn't a dogmatic religion.

There are of course the superstitious ... but most Jewish people don't believe such things. As for "the world to come".. that is more thought of as what we are leaving to the next generations. So what we make of today will impact the generations that come tomorrow. In that sense, yes, heaven or hell could exist. As a People, we are less mystical than most assume. We don't focus on death, but rather we focus on today and what we are creating in terms of the future on this planet.

Besides, in the sense that you are speaking of, it is not supported in our Scriptures. Read Ecclesiastes 9:5-6,10 and Ecclesiastes 3:19,20 as well as Psalm 146:3,4. Theese are only a few of the many places that are clear that when we die, that is it.

The superstitious Jews have only misunderstood the resurrection .. which is speaking of the People back to the land rather than a zombie type of resurrection that most believe. Most Jews have come around to see what is common sense. THat this is Life and after death is nothing.

Hope that helps clear it up.

Interesting.

So would it be accurate to call Judaism a "humanistic" religion?

Originally posted by AshleyD
I'll admit that as a Christian who believes the Bible with all my heart, the concept of Hell is something I really struggle with. I hate it. Even horrendous people like Hitler, Stalin, or Mao.

However, I do believe that God is sovereign and I cannot pick and choose what to believe out of my faith. There is a piece of me that hopes we have some sort of translation error, textual corruption, or interpretation confusion.

Because I don't know and wrestle with it, I just give it to God and hope there was a misunderstanding. But what I cannot do is wiggle around it to make myself feel better. No, I wouldn't wish hell on my worst enemy. I believe what I do because I believe it is factual- not because of warm fuzzies. So it's unwise to claim it's not real because I have a problem with it.

I do hope that things aren't what they seem, though. In the end, I just have to turn it over to Him.

[edit on 10/2/2009 by AshleyD]

If that bit isn't what it seems then might as well throw the whole book out the window. The book is God's will, it is God's will to have Hell discussed in the book as it is. So yes.. all your non-believer friends and family are going to burn in hellfire for eternity no matter how much you pray. They were given the choice to accept their master or suffer, they will suffer for not bowing down to the almighty lord.

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Most Jewish are humanistic, yes. Scriptural Judaism is indeed a humanistic religion.


[edit on 2-10-2009 by justamomma]

oh, and I thought the need to clarify, in Judaism, we do not believe that man is God (which is a common misconception given to our religion by those who realize we are humanistic .. mostly, that would be the Christians who say this which is ironic really, considering that Jesus is their god).

Originally posted by Blanca Rose
I couldn't wish hell on anyone either.

I think that people who would wish something like that on somebeody deserve to go there themselves.

That's a slippery slope because, well you just wished it on someone, you wished it on those who, wish it on people.

No, I don't wish a "hell" of "eternity" on anyone. Besides, I don't believe in it, a book written by man, interpreted by man, and rewritten and reinterpreted by man?

hmm anyway I would never condemn my children to "eternal hell", I discipline them, but then it is done and we move on. Eternal vindictiveness, my god does not have.

Harm None
Peace

Originally posted by amazed

Originally posted by Blanca Rose
I couldn't wish hell on anyone either.

I think that people who would wish something like that on somebeody deserve to go there themselves.

That's a slippery slope because, well you just wished it on someone, you wished it on those who, wish it on people.

No, I don't wish a "hell" of "eternity" on anyone. Besides, I don't believe in it, a book written by man, interpreted by man, and rewritten and reinterpreted by man?

hmm anyway I would never condemn my children to "eternal hell", I discipline them, but then it is done and we move on. Eternal vindictiveness, my god does not have.

Harm None
Peace

In Judaism, we know God is not vindictive. You are correct to say that with our children, we teach and then move on. We don't lock our children up in eternal torture for lessons learned. That this is echoed in the Tanakh is clearly seen in such places as Ezekiel 18.

Emotions are a trait of humans, not God. God's Law is simply this: cause and effect and that is how we learn. When we, the Jews, read the Scriptures, we are well aware the "emotions" attributed to God are written from the perspective of man ... and for us, it was in order to keep our People together and to give us a sense of our humanness .. so as not to oppress others as has been done by many in power.

That the light of this message has been dimmed is thanks to the piggy back religions which revel in oppression.

Nice to see the common sense which is usually quite rare.