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Originally posted by Q24-7
Originally posted by scott3x
Balsamo makes the rules there, and the rule he made was that you had to address all the points they'd already made against your witnesses. As I mentioned to you previously, I wish they'd let you continue with your witness list, as I believe every single one of them would thus have been discredited. But you could certainly continue your list here if you like.
I could spend forever going in circles without ever addressing all the points to the satisfaction of people like you and those at P4T.
Originally posted by Q24-7
That is the reason I spelt out in the opening post of that thread that I would follow a certain format – present witness, note all concerns against the account, move on to the next witness.
Originally posted by Q24-7
By the end we would have had all witnesses supporting a south flight path
Originally posted by Q24-7
and all arguments against them, ie an informative thread with all of the evidence and arguments for/against. I managed to present only 6 out of approximately 40 witnesses before being censored. Balsamo could not allow such an open exchange of information to take place on his forum because upon viewing by most people it would crush the idea of a Pentagon flyover and discredit many P4T members.
Originally posted by Q24-7
Anyhow, I made Balsamo a promise in my last post and that is in part what I’m here for… just have to reach 20 posts so that I can start a topic. It’s going to be interesting to see how the various forums react.
Originally posted by weedwhackerYou conveniently ignore the fact that I wrote about and addressed the inconcistency in altitude specifics, when you respond in this manner AGAIN!!!!
ALSO....we have already some doubts as to the veracity of the CSV file, compared to RAW data....and the misuse of all of this by PFT to confuse the issue. This was described at great lengths in the JREF link, above.
Originally posted by fmcanarney
Scott,
you certainly know aircraft and calculus/trigonometry
Originally posted by turbofan
Originally posted by weedwhackerYou conveniently ignore the fact that I wrote about and addressed the inconcistency in altitude specifics, when you respond in this manner AGAIN!!!!
YOu have absolutely no right speaking on this issue as you have not even
looked at the data. You're talking from an ignorant stand point which has
no weight in this discussion.
ALSO....we have already some doubts as to the veracity of the CSV file, compared to RAW data....and the misuse of all of this by PFT to confuse the issue. This was described at great lengths in the JREF link, above.
Once again proving your ignorance. The NSTB provided the altitude
information. It's wrong. The last recorded altitude does not account
for local pressure for PA.
It has been exposed and corrected.
YOu have absolutely no right speaking on this issue as you have not even looked at the data.
You're talking from an ignorant stand point which has
no weight in this discussion.
Originally posted by weedwhackerALSO....we have already some doubts as to the veracity of the CSV file, compared to RAW data....and the misuse of all of this by PFT to confuse the issue. This was described at great lengths in the JREF link, above.
Once again proving your ignorance. The NSTB provided the altitude information. It's wrong. The last recorded altitude does not account for local pressure for PA.
You still can't even tell me which the "terrorist" set the PA for his final approach!
Maybe if you had some smarts you'd download the file and observe the error for yourself. Try to explain how this error happened if you can.
Sorry kid,
go copy and paste some more information...
...so your buddies can star your posts for being a nice guy.
Do yourself a favour and download some P4T videos. It's all pilot tech and aero tech. You should understand it if you're a real pilot...
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by turbofan
OK, I see....I have no rights, according to you. YOU'RE THE BOSS!!!! Have you been crowned 'King'???
Guys... im tough to deal with at times.. i agree.. i will never change.... i can be your most loyal friend or your worst enemy. The choice is yours... literally. Respect is earned around here and many of us have a low tolerance for slackers. If we had the resources for a PR dept to coddle the lowest common denominator, we would employ as such. We just do not have the man power nor the resources. Feel free to donate.... step up to the plate.. whatever...
Originally posted by turbofan
reply to post by Q24-7
When Weed, or any of you GL's have studied the data well enough to
debate, I'll give you some respect.
Originally posted by turbofan
RIght now, you're all just blowing smoke and making excuses about a
topic you have no idea about. That's the reason you were temp. banned/
banned for P4T.
Originally posted by turbofan
THey already have their homework complete and checked; they don't
need a bunch of trolls coming into the debate with half-thought opinions.
Originally posted by turbofan
Weed, do you have the NTSB data downloaded yet...?
Originally posted by Boone 870
reply to post by Q24-7
Something similar happened to me when I still had posting privileges over there, Q24-7. I was called a racist because I didn't believe what some of the NOC/ONA eyewitnesses claim they saw. And then I was put on moderated response by the Grand Poobah himself.
The concept of free speech eludes that bunch. You'll find that the moderators here at ATS are much fairer.
Originally posted by A Fortiori
Originally posted by Boone 870
reply to post by Q24-7
Something similar happened to me when I still had posting privileges over there, Q24-7. I was called a racist because I didn't believe what some of the NOC/ONA eyewitnesses claim they saw. And then I was put on moderated response by the Grand Poobah himself.
The concept of free speech eludes that bunch. You'll find that the moderators here at ATS are much fairer.
If I were an ATS moderator on these threads there are several people posting here who would be on probation. It gets so snarky and mean sometimes that it is painful to read.
Yeh Yeh...off topic post...
Originally posted by A Fortiori
reply to post by scott3x
See, my friend doesn't (or didn't) have a dog in the fight. Yes, he has opinions on 9-11 but not the argument turbo and Weed were making.
Originally posted by A Fortiori
So he looked at what they were posting and gave me the opinion I asked for--incidentally, what I thought was cool was that he said he enjoyed reading both posts. He said that they both brought their A game and that Weed had more experience. He didn't say that turbo had none, just that Weed seemed to know more of what he was talking about regarding the faster than safe speed.
Originally posted by A Fortiori
The point was that he enjoyed himself while reading the posts. I know that I love to read their back and forths.
Originally posted by A Fortiori
What would be lovelier is if they enjoyed themselves. It feels like they are angry (I could be wrong) and if they are not angry then maybe they could read their own writing and see the level of disdain and pull it back a notch.
Originally posted by A Fortiori
Weed and I disagree on some things but we get along in U2Us, where I am sure we still don't agree, but we can be civil. I like that.
Originally posted by A Fortiori
Why can't we enjoy ourselves on here without tarnishing the debate with snark? Yes, snark is fun and I have been guilty of it from time to time, but what I guess they could or should understand is that they are now "google-able". People will google 9-11 and end up reading their posts. Why not pull it back a notch and have a little fun with each other while educating the masses?
Originally posted by turbofan
I just read through your posts, and would like to comment on a few things:
- Yes, I will agree that Mr. Balsamo can be tough at times; he admits it,
and I'll admit it. We spent three months together while co-producing a
presentation so I think it's safe to say I know him fairly well.
In person, he's not as 'short' as he comes across on the forums. You have
to understand, P4T gets hundreds of visitors, some of which are there to
cause trouble or just spout off without having any background. It's a
slap in the face when an anonymous internet personality comes
along and slams work which you [they] jumped through hoops to bring
forward.
Originally posted by turbofan
Many of you probably don't know, but there were some insiders from
Boeing and ARINC that helped to crack the raw file.
Originally posted by turbofan
There were meetings off site at the risk of losing jobs to those who attended.
Originally posted by turbofan
As for me, I'm not at all offended by A.F.'s friend observing my sub-par
"pilot speak". Afterall, he did say that he thought "Weed" may not have
been a pilot and could have grabbed his reply from the internet.
Originally posted by turbofan
I'll admit my posts are sometimes sarcastic, but you should notice that
my first few exchanges with a new 'opponent' is normally very polite.
Only when repeated acts of ignorance occur will I become aggressive.
Originally posted by turbofan
I'm sorry but I have no tolerance for someone who will speak as "matter
of fact" without knowing the facts...
Originally posted by turbofan
Finally, I don't know anything about particular bannings at P4T, but i know
reasons for most. If Rob mixed up one of your posts [Scott], I'd like to have
a read through and see what happened. Most of the time we'll link a new
user to resources for research. If they need help with explanations, one
of the forum members is there to help.
Originally posted by scott3xAs you can see, I made a mistake in my summary; I say that I had stated that Rob had deleted a post whereas in the original post, I had said posts.
ARINC? And can you explain what this raw file thing is? I've heard it before but really don't understand it too well...
Originally posted by turbofan
Which is why I think he's a bit too hard on both of you guys. It's easy to make mistakes when you're emotionally involved I think
Originally posted by turbofan Which brings me to another point; I, for one, believe that weedwhacker is indeed a former pilot. Has he made any mistakes in what he's said?
Initially, they did help with questions, but then Balsamo decided I had to read some rather ponderous and hard to understand threads. I finally started a few, but I couldn't even understand the -beginning- of the threads.