Are Most UFO Sightings Plasma Life Forms?

Originally posted by zorgon
Now suppose HAARP is using microwaves (a microwave oven used to be called a RADAR range) to generate plasma balls in the ionosphere for who only knows what reason

I hope not, that radiation level would cook anything passing near it.

But if they are we just have to look for cooked birds falling from the sky.

Originally posted by ArMaPI hope not, that radiation level would cook anything passing near it.

True but a plasma bubble thus created can stop a missile or be used as a mirror

But if they are we just have to look for cooked birds falling from the sky.

Hmmm not sure how many birds are flying in the ionosphere and I don't think we can fry the critters (overload maybe) but seeing as you mentioned it..


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Thanks Armap, that would help. I keep looking for scientific articles that support the possibility that plasma life forms can exist.

Here is another article that supports that probability that plasma life forms do exist.

www.theregister.co.uk...

Boffins simulate plasma-eating dusty 'life-forms' Dust to dust, etc

Physicists have discovered that charged particles of dust can form themselves into life-like structures that appear to be capable of reproducing and passing information along, behaviour reminiscent of life on Earth.

So, are there corkscrew-shaped dust-aliens floating about in interstellar space?

Gregor Morfill of the Max Planck Institute for Extraterrestrial Physics in Germany is not prepared to go quite that far. He told New Scientist: "It has a lot of the hallmarks for how we define life at present, but we have not simulated life. To us, they're just a special form of plasma crystal."

However, Tsytovich is prepared to be a bit more flexible on his definition of what might constitute life, saying that the spirals "exhibit all the necessary properties to qualify them as candidates for inorganic living matter. They are autonomous, they reproduce, and they evolve".

I think it is important to provide evidence from more than one source that there truly is scientific evidence to back up this concept.

This is just my own personal opinion so I have not got anything to back it up sorry, but although I do think there might be plasma life forms out there I don't think that most UFO's, ET's, are. Just my opinion.

Originally posted by poet1b
Thanks Armap, that would help. I keep looking for scientific articles that support the possibility that plasma life forms can exist.

How about this one

COBE DISCOVERS COSMIC BACTERIA

Cosmic Background Explorer (COBE) and the Far Infrared Absolute Spectrophotometer (FIRAS) have shown that the cosmic microwave background spectrum matches that of a blackbody of temperature 2.726ºK with a precision of ±0.03% of the peak intensity over a wavelength range 0.1 to 5mm

Recent measurements have shown a significant rise in the temperature by precisely 0.042K, a measurement which indirectly implies the existence of minute bacterial activity, possibly surrounding or living off the dark matter which makes up most of the Universe's mass.

These measurements have been further refined by a link-up between Radio Telescopes at the Bogong High Plains Observatory in Victoria and the radio telescope at Schlöss Rattshärz, Bavaria, the results of which are being analysed at the University of Bürgerweldt.

These two telescopes have combined to make a radiometric interferometer of unprecedented size and sensitivity and have produced data consistent with a finding that most of the missing mass of the Universe is made up by bacterial and other semicold plasma life forms in the voids between the stars and galaxies.

www.asnsw.com...



[edit on 7-10-2009 by zorgon]

There is a guy named Jay Alfred, who apparently has done a great deal of research on the subject, and is quite willing to take a step much further in claiming the existence of plasma life forms. I couldn't find any bio information on him, but he has written few books on the subject, and is quite invested in researching plasma life forms.

Here is an article by him e-zine.

ezinearticles.com...

According to dark plasma theory, (dark matter) bioplasma bodies are composed of a complex plasma of non-standard particles. Non-standard particles are particles that are outside the physicists' Standard Model and which are included in dark matter - matter which is six times more prevalent in the known universe than ordinary matter.

Bioplasma bodies composed of non-standard particles glow in the dark, radiate heat, light and other electromagnetic waves that can be measured by our scientific instruments like radar or even infra-red cameras when ordinary matter condenses around them. They also possess other properties associated with these types of bodies. The general characteristics of plasma life forms include the following:

- They emit light (not simply reflect them)
- They are thermochromic (i.e. they change colors at different temperatures)
- They generate colorful auras and halos as high energy particles collide with them.
- They are able to change their degree of opacity - becoming transparent or translucent. Hence, they can apparently materialize and dematerialize.
- They generate electromagnetic fields and radiate electromagnetic waves.
- They are responsive to electromagnetic fields and waves and can have an electrical feel when passing through our bodies.
- They have networks of filamentary currents within their bodies.
- Double helical currents, aligned with the longer axis of their bodies may be discerned.
- They possess rotating orifices that suck in and emit high energy particles.
- They can emit beams of high energy particles from these orifices.
- Their shapes can vary (hence they can shape-shift) but the most stable shape is the ball of light.
- Shapes between a spheroid and a cylinder, ovoid or lenticular are also possible as the plasma membrane is resilient and elastic and can be stretched by the denser matter inside.
- Just like amoeba they can generate temporary limbs (like pseudopods).
- Vortexes and misty irregularly formed primitive plasma life forms also exist.
- Within the ovoid is a denser body which varies from one plasma life form to another.
- A bi-layered plasma (Langmuir) sheath encloses the ovoid.
- They are able to pass through each other in the same way that objects composed of collisionless plasma or dark matter do.
- Very low rest mass.

Something I have been speculating about recently, is where would these plasma lifeforms fit into the grand scheme of things.

If we were just going to speculate, and say that most of these things exist. I am talking about plasma life forms, aliens from other planets, ancient civilizations, ESP, multi-dimensions, humanoids, all of it exists, generally speaking. Of course some stuff it just pure fantasy, but lets go along with the general concept that there is some truth to all of this.

I would put plasma life forms at the top of the food chain, they are the overlords. What motivates them is pure speculation at this point.

We have ancient tales of the gods, sleeping with the daughters of men, stories of advanced civilizations living in the mountains in California, ancient buildings that seem to defy the technical knowledge of primitive man. In addition, we have numerous reports of alien space craft that seem to be ships, from people who appear to be sane in all aspect except this story they tale. These would be visitors from alien planets.

Maybe we have alien life forms visiting us, but could it be that they don't know about plasma life forms? I find this hard to believe. I might add, that we have more scientific proof that plasma life forms exist than aliens capable of space travel. I would assume that visitors from other planets would know about plasma life forms, and could even be in communication with them. Think of Q on Star Trek.

Once again, what would be the goal of alien life forms?

If some highly advance civilization were to want to invade us, would plasma life forms intervene?

Did they intervene in wars of the past?

Do we occasionally see divine intervention that is really plasma life forms coming to our rescue?

If the life force that animates the flesh is a plasma life form?

If our very souls are plasma life forms that live on after our physical bodies die, then where do we enter the plasma world food chain? or pecking order, as you will?

Originally posted by poet1b
If our very souls are plasma life forms that live on after our physical bodies die, then where do we enter the plasma world food chain? or pecking order, as you will?

Most religions believe we become ethereal beings up light and energy. "Plasma" to me right now is a generic term for the stuff that makes up most of the universe...

What if this ever flowing tide of plasma IS the creator? And we are thus a part of that creator...

The Rosicrucians have an interesting analogy they use for explaining the 'soul' or 'life force'

Take a string of light bulbs like you see in a Mediteranean village... each bulb can be lit or off... they have individuality... they exist.

Take a stick and break a bulb... you have know destroyed the vessel, 'killed' it n effect... but what of the energy that energized that bulb and gave it life? Where did that go?

Back into the stream of electricity that flows forever... Science tells us that energy cannot be destroyed, ergo this would be true of our life energy as well

So as the body, the container dies... the energy that energizes it passes back into the ether to join the rest of the plasma flow...

Gives a new outlook to becoming 'one' with the universe as we have heard spoken since Timothy Leary

But just as each electron in that light bulb example has its own singular identity, so too does our spark retain its uniqueness

Food for thought, yes?

The Electric Universe... perhaps plasma really is the life blood of the Universe

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When I read the Gnostic beliefs, and then think about Plasma science, the Gnostic beliefs become incredibly realistic.

www.gnosis.org...

One of the aeonial beings who bears the name Sophia (“Wisdom”) is of great importance to the Gnostic world view. In the course of her journeyings, Sophia came to emanate from her own being a flawed consciousness, a being who became the creator of the material and psychic cosmos, all of which he created in the image of his own flaw. This being, unaware of his origins, imagined himself to be the ultimate and absolute God. Since he took the already existing divine essence and fashioned it into various forms, he is also called the Demiurgos or “half-maker” There is an authentic half, a true deific component within creation, but it is not recognized by the half-maker and by his cosmic minions, the Archons or “rulers”.

One of the aeonial beings who bears the name Sophia (“Wisdom”) is of great importance to the Gnostic world view. In the course of her journeyings, Sophia came to emanate from her own being a flawed consciousness, a being who became the creator of the material and psychic cosmos, all of which he created in the image of his own flaw. This being, unaware of his origins, imagined himself to be the ultimate and absolute God. Since he took the already existing divine essence and fashioned it into various forms, he is also called the Demiurgos or “half-maker” There is an authentic half, a true deific component within creation, but it is not recognized by the half-maker and by his cosmic minions, the Archons or “rulers”.

Hmm, could they be on to something?

reply to post by poet1b

Thanks for the great thread Poet it is one of the most interesting on here. Much food for thought. And thanks Zorgan for the wealth of info as usual.

Plasma like "entities" have been observed throughout the ages by many credible witnesses, myself included

I do wonder how these "entities" maintain their energy, especially in our atmosphere, as a "normal" plasma would dissipate when in contact with a surface or a gas. Most of the entities are also too dim to be a normal plasma so maybe there is a new, colder, form of plasma that remains undiscovered.

This plasma may be able to draw power from the vacuum or maintain a cold, low energy fusion reaction which may be an explanation for the anomalous energy measured in some energy generation experiments involving plasma.

Quantum entanglement as currently known does not allow for the transmission of information which pretty much rules it out as the medium for ESP. The link velocity has been measured to be greater than 50x the speed of light however.

I don't know why I never mentioned the Hessdalen phenomenon on this thread, which I think is an excellent well documented study that show plasma acting like a life form.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by poet1b


I have linked many scientific papers that show exactly what is happening. The BIG "orbs" are actually reflections and have been replicated. The little bright lights are excited plasma in glow discharge mode and are currently being studied. Chances are you simply ignore/ignored those papers which were linked in the past. Here they are again.

www.tethers.com...

Although the TSS-1R mission was not completed as planned, the Italian satellite was
deployed to a distance of 19.7 km--making TSS-1R the largest man-made electrodynamic
structure ever placed in orbit. This deployment was sufficient to generate high voltages
across the tether and extract large currents from the ionosphere. These voltages and
currents, in turn, excited several space plasma phenomena and processes of interest. Active
tether science operations had begun at satellite fly-away and continued throughout the
deployment phase, which lasted more than 5 hours. As a result, a high-quality data set was
gathered and significant science activities had already been accomplished prior to the time
the tether broke.

The larger "orbs" have been talked about to death in other threads and have been completely shown to be reflections, there is even a myth busters type YouTube video that replicates the effect.

The scientist who compares the plasma to an organism when it is introduced to electric current can be said for a lot of things, including water. (See floating water bridge) Plasma is extremely happy in an electric environment. Just because it behaves in a different way when it is introduced to an electric environment does not make it a living organism.

Moved from the other thread:

reply to post by poet1b


Your very title of that thread is "Are most UFO sightings Plasma Life Forms?" I have noooo ideeaaaa how I came to the conclusion you were already convinced they are life forms...my reading comprehension must be hoooorriiiibbbllleeee.

are in fact living plasma creatures that inhabit our world, mainly the ionosphere of our planet

Then you go on to take Bohm's work out of context, because he didn't think plasma was a life form as far as I have learned (If he did they sure kept that dark secret hidden well), and quote from the Dark Plasma website who have gotten so much stuff wrong that they are a joke. That site has even taken Don Scott's work out of context. I've sat through that guys lectures and he knows his field of expertise, which is electrical engineering and he has perfectly applied to it astrophysics. He doesn't think there are plasma life forms either, he just compares plasma to cell like structures when plasma is introduced into an electric current. He is a big proponent of the electric universe theory and his work was closely associated with what I studied while in HI, specifically the electrical connection between the earth and the sun and how it affects cold plasma phenomena in the upper atmosphere. Also, I am fairly certain Donald Scott thinks that dark matter is a joke invented by mathematicians with no physical evidence to back it up. He believes the universe is 99% plasma so there is no need for dark matter or dark energy.

Edit: You can compare what plasma is doing in an electric field to metal shavings on paper with a magnet underneath it. The Metal shavings line up in a uniformed way, even moving into position. That doesn't mean they are alive, it just means they react well to magnetism, just as plasma reacts to an electrical current.

reply to post by raymundoko


Your quote does not back up your claims, and if there is evidence that duplicates the orbs, please provide, so I can look at the evidence.

I haven't ignored anything, and have taken on all debunker claims, and proved them wrong.

You offer nothing but opinion.

reply to post by raymundoko


Asking a question about something is not stating that it must be true, and it is reasonable to suspect that anyone who jumps to this conclusion hasn't bothered to think things through.

I posted links that stated Bohm's opinion, I did not take anything out of context.

My link is not from the Dark Plasma website, and no one claimed that Dr Bohm thought that plasma was a life form.

You jump from one conclusion to the next without thinking anything through.

You state this about Don Scott, and I have no idea where you are getting this stuff from.

He doesn't think there are plasma life forms either, he just compares plasma to cell like structures when plasma is introduced into an electric current.

Making such an observation does not claim there are plasma life forms, but it does make a a link. This would be evidence to investigate, otherwise why make the statement.

My point about dark matter is that plasma is what is being called dark matter.

Haven't looked into the subject for awhile. Here is a good link on the subject.

www.theregister.co.uk...

Gregor Morfill of the Max Planck Institute for Extraterrestrial Physics in Germany is not prepared to go quite that far. He told New Scientist: "It has a lot of the hallmarks for how we define life at present, but we have not simulated life. To us, they're just a special form of plasma crystal."

However, Tsytovich is prepared to be a bit more flexible on his definition of what might constitute life, saying that the spirals "exhibit all the necessary properties to qualify them as candidates for inorganic living matter. They are autonomous, they reproduce, and they evolve".

reply to post by poet1b


What part of my quote doesn't back up that excited plasma phenomena were created by the high current created from the tether moving through the ionosphere? Do you understand the scientific paper I provided or not? I can help you understand it if you need, and that isn't intended to be insulting either, I am legitimately offering assistance.

Here is the youtube video which has been posted on these very forums no less than 8 gabillion times.



So most of the stuff you see is typical ice and debris causing reflections. This has been replicated in a lab environment to prove it. You are either ignoring this evidence or you are rejecting it because it does not fall in line with your hypothesis. That is now how a scientific hypothesis works. If lab tests disprove your hypothesis you have to go back to the drawing board.

SOME of the glowing discharges around the tether itself are excited plasma caused from the high voltage of the tether itself.

reply to post by poet1b


Look at the wording of your question. It's called a suggestive question. The very wording of it implies that a certain answer should be given in response. It shows you had presupposition when forming the question, intending for the contents to be taken as fact. Your tactic might work on middle school kids in Mock Court, but don't try that on adults.

And the context of how you used Bohm is so obvious anyone with a modicum of education in the field can see how you tried to use him to prop up your views.

As far as Don Scott is concerned, I've actually talked to Don Scott, I shook his hand. You attempting to question how I could say he doesn't believe in plasma life forms is another attempt to obfuscate the debate and have people think "Oh yeah, he might actually believe in plasma life forms".

Now let's be clear. In other threads I have said it is within the realm of possibility that they could potentially exist given the amount of plasma in the universe, hell, what if god is a plasma life form and that's what the "spirit realm" is? Yes, I do believe in god. However I have no proof of that, just like we have absolutely zero evidence of a plasma life form, how it would potentially evolve or the scale of it. You came into another thread and attempted to spout your theory that Venus could have plasma life forms, when that just isn't the case.

reply to post by poet1b


Your problem is also getting science from Media. As a scientist I can tell you that is the worst possible thing you can do. Go look for peer reviewed papers or approved thesis material if you want out there ideas. Allowing media to define science for you is how we got Anthropogenic Global Warming.

When it comes to peer reviewed papers scientists are limited to what can be replicated in a lab or physical observation. When it comes to the media the crazies can come out.

Edit: For example,. notice how I directly linked the tether document, not some media article on what it was.

reply to post by raymundoko


Nothing in your quote proves anything, it is a statement without any proof that it is true.

Your video has already been debunked in this thread.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Debri that floats around the Shuttle only lasts for a short time. When there is an effluent dump, the debris shows up again, but only lasts a short time, AND the often recorded debris looks nothing like what is seen in the tether video. Duplicating something on camera means nothing. It is called illusion.