NASA's Apollo DSE "Black Box" Transcripts - revealing the unscripted truth about the Moon & E.T.

reply to post by JimOberg

I accept my responsibility for providing checkable citations.

how's that old saying go ?

actions speak louder than words ?



shortened this post so we don't get more of Oberg's off topic Baloney

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ok back on topic,


here's an interesting quote from Apollo 17


the Astronauts are told to keep an eye out for some big "boulders" on their way to station #1



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they left out this part in the transcripts...
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here is the actual transcript
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page 827
history.nasa.gov...

you can hear Jack Schmitt actually say it in this video just after the 4:00 minute mark

reply to post by easynow


This same post is on another thread somewhere, just saw it recently.

But, since you included it here...the 'excerpts' don't match the transcript snippet....Why, to you suppose??

Maybe because those "excerpts" are made up? And taken out of context?

What I am trying to point out is, in the transcript there is no "Wink" uttered. Why is it shown on those "excerpts"? Someone is having fun with y'all, it seems....

Oh, and a hint...perhaps actually listening to those words, rather than reading and inferring something which isn't there, would be useful.

I say that from having read quite a few cockpit voice recorder transcripts. The actual recordings are not released...we have NASA recordings because they went out over open radio frequencies. Same with ATC recordings, in THOSE we can hear the pilots, and tie them to the transcripts, but for in cockpit communications and words uttered, the tone is lost unless you actually get to hear the tapes personally.

reply to post by weedwhacker


you can hear what he said in the video and it does not match the transcript.

what can that mean ?

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reply to post by easynow


OK, I couldn't do the video before I posted...let me listen and I'll give more opinions...(because I haven't run out of them yet...)

At least you're not "ignoring" people...that counts in your favour...for being an adult.
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I'm sorry, but when I looked further at that YouTube 'video' I realized a) that I'd seen it before and b) the 'source'!!!

I always get a kick out of the nonsense posted by YT user "LC". AND the hilarious comments posted.

After hearing the audio, I am left wanting more...it is heavily edited down (funny how LC accuses NASA of such trickery!!! Irony).

Look...I would love, love, LOVE to know that there are ruins made by an intelligent species and visible on the Moon...or even an active LIVE species (would have to be ET, not native to Luna, I would think...eh??) right now with artificial constructs. In fact, IF such things were discovered by A17, I would think it would have been in NASA's best interests to make them public...for More Funding!!! Just think what they could have done with better money, instead of being nickel and dimed to death by the Congress!!

I just truly do not think that 'LC' has found anything...again, it boils down to amateur 'sleuths' who really, really wish to find something..so they "do".

Case in point, in that 'video':

The beginning, with the "Umbra-Wash" on a photo of a large rock, and 'finding something' in the shadow? Nothing there but innuendo based on (possibly) simply highlighting a flaw in the print, likely from a flaw in the original film's emulsion.

The comment "Something hit here!" isn't surprising -- in fact, it is co-incidental in a way, but that's how things like meteors work...it is pure chance that a) you get to see one and b) it's close enough to happen were you are, same time and place. The Earth (and by logic, the Moon) encounters meteors frequently...perhaps almost every day. We, here, have the atmosphere to protect us from falling rocks...mostly.

Then, at 3:30, 'LC' talks about "The Truth"...and shows what has already been discussed to death here on ATS, the pixelation and video transmission 'noise' from what I think is a Clementine image, with the implication it is a "castle"...that is silly beyond belief, to think that NASA would be dim-witted and amateurish enough to try to blot out something (if it existed at all) is such a clumsy way!

I got as far as "We were told that the Moon is covered in "craters" and "boulders"....and that Schmitt was the "only" ASTRO-geologist!

Firstly, are we to assume that 'LC' doesn't believe there are craters on the Moon?? AND, that there are no boulders?? Really? Cred = zero, in my view.

AS TO Schmitt...the astronauts were ALL trained in geology for the later missions, as they were focusing by then on Lunar origin theories, and how to accurately determine them.

Shoemaker helped pioneer the field of astrogeology by founding the Astrogeology Research Program of the U.S. Geological Survey in 1961 at Flagstaff, Arizona and he was its first director. He was prominently involved in the Lunar Ranger missions to the Moon, which showed that the Moon was covered with a wide size range of impact craters. Shoemaker was also involved in the training of the American astronauts. He himself was a possible candidate for an Apollo moon flight and was set to be the first geologist to walk on the Moon but was disqualified due to being diagnosed with Addison's disease, a disorder of the adrenal gland. Shoemaker would train astronauts during field trips to Meteor Crater and Sunset Crater near Flagstaff

As I recall, Schmitt was the only astronaut to have a degree in geology, which is partly why he was selected. And, I think it was his idea for the others to get the crash course as well...

I've been looking at the "Lunar Surface journal", (Traverse to Staion One) --- won't link all of that here, since it would be redundant.

Couldn't find the source of the audio that 'LC' used (although there is a six-CD set for sale for about $85, maybe it's on there)...however, I still take issue with the interpretation from the audio. Based on the "Journal" info, when you take into account that the "Whoop!" was uttered while they were driving the LRV...I think it puts it into context...and the alleged "wink" is about as clear, to me, as a muddy river.....







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reply to post by weedwhacker

OK, I couldn't do the video before I posted

so let me get this straight here,

you posted without even watching the video ? even if you didn't or couldn't , i did indicate in the above post that you could hear the Astronaut say it in the video and yet you still didn't bother to watch it or read the post above before saying this ...

Maybe because those "excerpts" are made up? And taken out of context?
What I am trying to point out is, in the transcript there is no "Wink" uttered.

what's up with that ?

don't you think you should have examined the evidence before posting your wrong information ? what he said is debatable since your ears might hear something different than my ears but what is not debatable is the fact that whatever he did say is not in the transcript.

you can get the audio file HERE , the comment is at 14:32.

(because I haven't run out of them yet...)

i've never known you to be out of comments that's for sure...

now look at this post hereand study it carefully before you comment on it. ok ?

reply to post by easynow


Thanks for the audio, better quality than from YT.

I still see that 'LC' on YT wrote the "Whoop!" comment wrong, by writing 'Whoops'.

Also, I don't hear "wink", I hear "weak". I think it was uttered more as an expletive (probably hit a bump in the LRV) and wasn't deemed necessary for inclusion in the transcript. Although, they could have just inserted "[garbled]" and then there wouldn't be all of this 'mystery'....I mean, they knew the audio files were out there, right?? Doesn't make sense to try to intentionally alter the transcript...IF they were trying to 'hide' something, when it's there on the audio files....

They are having trouble finding STENO. CapCom is trying to picture them, knowing about where they are, and their heading...he even comments that it might be at their 9 o'clock...then catches himself, 'cause he realizes he has it backwards (in orientation...rembember, he's visualizing this in his head) and thinks that 3 o'clock is more correct.

Gene (?) I think it's Gene says "There's no dimple" meaning they aren't seeing a familar landmark they were expecting...not yet, anyway.

At about 15:15 you hear (I think Jack) mention the "L&A"....that refers to the Lunar surface model back in Houston. It was built for the simulator, it was based on satellite photos, and it was to familiarize them with their landing site, and EVA mission landmarks.

Here, from the "LSJ"

While using the Lunar Module simulator to practice landings and ascents, the astronauts were provided with views of their landing site from the Landing and Ascent ('L&A') Facility. A large model of the landing site was construct and ceiling mounted so that a computer driven television camera could provide a view for the LM windows appropriate to the location, height, and attitude.

Of course, if you wish, you caninterpret "It doesn't look like the L&A." to mean that the Monoliths and ancient ruins ala' Stonehenge weren't depicted on the site model back home...I guess....

Who's still alive? I think Schmitt is still with us...Wiki says he's 74 and lives in Silver City, NM. Gene Cernan is still alive, as of February 2009.

Ronald Evans (CMP) died of a heart attack in 1990.

Perhaps we can contact Cernan or Schmitt??? And find out whether there's a story here, or not.

reply to post by weedwhacker

(probably hit a bump in the LRV)

Whoooooooooooooooooooooooo dam , now that's a thread closer !

i expected a comment like that from you so thanks for the laugh



speaking of laughs check out this video of Buzz rappin
www.youtube.com...


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crop from video of the Moon

in the middle towards the bottom of the image looks like some structures ? might not be but there are some strange patterns evident.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by easynow

 

I still see that 'LC' on YT wrote the "Whoop!" comment wrong, by writing 'Whoops'.

Also, I don't hear "wink", I hear "weak".

what a waste of time reading your counter comments.......

*walks off*.....

Originally posted by easynow
might not be but there are some strange patterns evident.

That's the problem with images taken from videos, videos are made to use the moving images, so each fixed image is worse than a photo of the same size, we loose a lot of information with a screen grab.

reply to post by ArMaP


if we can't have any trust about the still photos then we don't really know if a crop from a video is "worse".......just saying

Originally posted by easynow
if we can't have any trust about the still photos then we don't really know if a crop from a video is "worse".......just saying

If we distrust the photos then there is no reason to trust the videos either, but we can be sure that a frame from a video (specially if it started as movie before being converted to a digital format) will always look worse than a photo taken in the same conditions, because a photo can be optimised for the scene while in a movie or video what is optimised is the whole video, not every single frame.

reply to post by ArMaP

If we distrust the photos then there is no reason to trust the videos either

and that my friend equates to not being able to trust NASA.

image tampering , missing things from transcripts , obfuscation in shuttle videos is in my opinion strong evidence that NASA is not telling us everything.

how did Zorgon put it ?

NASA doesn't lie they just don't tell you everything

Originally posted by easynow
reply to post by weedwhacker

 

(probably hit a bump in the LRV)

Whoooooooooooooooooooooooo dam , now that's a thread closer !

i expected a comment like that from you so thanks for the laugh

speaking of laughs check out this video of Buzz rappin
www.youtube.com...


[edit on 30-10-2009 by easynow]

thats a cool one...

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reply to post by easynow


THAT video snippet has been discussed to death!!!!

Really, just being intellectually dishonest does NOT a "conspiracy" make...

Try again....

reply to post by weedwhacker


what's missing in your post ?

i'll give you one guess

reply to post by easynow


It doesn't matter.

People like to pick apart a FEW images...despie the preponderance of others...and try to make a case out of those FEW!!!

It is ridiculous.

It is like....taking a few picture examples from any photoshoot, and THEN trying to claim that the entire shoot was somehow "faked".... it just goes beyond the pale of ridiculous....

MOST logical people can see this fact.

However, others hope to wallow in the fantasy of some nefarious "scam" that has been perpertrated by NASA on the unsuspecting public at large...it is ludicrous.

reply to post by weedwhacker


it does matter to me


if and i said if , some of the Apollo photos have been altered then it's no surprise that only a few signs of that would show up. so your argument that we should not be discussing those particular images .... is ridiculous.

oops

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