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Well after closer inspection I found about 15 secret bases .

Yes Phage you are right I would not call them Photographic artifacts
the resolution does not allow for it, and the photographic software they would use stops that from happening.

Thanks

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Just when I thought you had me

So you think all the similar looking thingies to the left of the one in the video are objects on the surface as well? They look a lot like flaws in the image to me.

Well I had a better look, and no it does not look like the thingies on the left


When I was looking around I found a similar building or object in the TREES!!!! nothing in comparison to the photographic artifacts .

thanks

Ocker

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The Lunatics made a giant shrine in honor of Stan Laurel?


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And rest is the key for tired eyes



anyway I still believe this is not a camera error or glitch in the photo retrieval method the object is too symmetrical to compare to the other glitches.



Mathematical model for symmetry

The set of all symmetry operations considered, on all objects in a set X, can be modeled as a group action g : G × X → X, where the image of g in G and x in X is written as g·x. If, for some g, g·x = y then x and y are said to be symmetrical to each other. For each object x, operations g for which g·x = x form a group, the symmetry group of the object, a subgroup of G. If the symmetry group of x is the trivial group then x is said to be asymmetric, otherwise symmetric. A general example is that G is a group of bijections g: V → V acting on the set of functions x: V → W by (gx)(v)=x(g−1(v)) (or a restricted set of such functions that is closed under the group action). Thus a group of bijections of space induces a group action on "objects" in it. The symmetry group of x consists of all g for which x(v)=x(g(v)) for all v. G is the symmetry group of the space itself, and of any object that is uniform throughout space. Some subgroups of G may not be the symmetry group of any object. For example, if the group contains for every v and w in V a g such that g(v)=w, then only the symmetry groups of constant functions x contain that group. However, the symmetry group of constant functions is G itself.

So they can be different

thanks

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Using Microsoft Fax Viewer does not show you what is in the original scan. Zooming with it performs automatic "enhancements", using some sort of resizing algorithm (bicubic?) which extrapolates the existing information. Try using a "pure" zoom such as what you get using mspaint or photoshop.
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/d8ce82160e5f.png[/atsimg]

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Check this out Ocker; It is from as08-13-2228hr (towards the bottom right)

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/491bc257351c.jpg[/atsimg]

Looks kinda like these from the other image I used earlier:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/03b84657c13a.jpg[/atsimg]



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Hi
I did the editing in mspaint. the picture and fax viewer came up as the default viewer when I opened the Picture to get a screen shot.

The object seems so different to the rest and if you pixelate the object more it seems to have a different structure than the ones to the left when the same method is applied.

thanks

Ocker

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Hi mate
I missed when you posted them before did you get the archive number for it or some sort of reference.



Thanks

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I'll send you some pertinent info and links over u2u.

This image is still under analysis. So I can't put it up here yet.

But yeah, it is from a large version of as08-13-2244.




Edit: Hey Ocker, check out these awesome lunar orbiter shots that Mikesingh found:





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Now these one are just stunning:







Here is the last one colourized: :



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Originally posted by Exuberant1
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Check this out Ocker; It is from as08-13-2228hr (towards the bottom right)

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/491bc257351c.jpg[/atsimg]

I just remembered a couple of images that go well with this recent one:

The Machine that Lear Found in AS8-12-2209. *Note the supports/legs and long tube like device sticking out to right.



Here is the cropping from High Res version of the AS8-12-2209 Moon Machine that Sherpa obtained and posted:



Wowsers!






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Hi Exuberant1
brilliant posts fascinating photographs to say the least



What the...holey double hitch giant shoelace batman

do you have a reference to go by as to how large the object maybe.

Thanks

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Thanks for posting these!
There's so many strange things and anomalies in this photo that ..wow..



I have seen that picture from the "tower" earlier as well in some youtube video but haven't seen the big one, do you have any idea where it's originally from?

Originally posted by Luppakorva

I have seen that picture from the "tower" earlier as well in some youtube video but haven't seen the big one, do you have any idea where it's originally from?

What big one are you referring to?

Ocker,

I am not sure about the size. That thing is big, that is for sure.

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I was googling that picture AS8-12-2209 and while doing so found few very interesting ones.

I understood these are found by John Lear.
First one is photo of the crater Kepler taken by Lunar Orbiter 3 in 1967.

archive.coasttocoastam.com...

Second is photo of the very same crater later taken by Apollo 12.

archive.coasttocoastam.com...

The pics with explanations can be found from here:

archive.coasttocoastam.com...

If it's old story for you guys ..sorry about that .

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I'm sorry, getting sleepy and tired. Typo there ..It was first time that I saw that big picture from that area, before I only saw this picture from the tower:

i118.photobucket.com...

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Hey mate I have always found this one interesting
near the sea of tranquility



After close inspection it does not appear to be camera manipulation or photographic artifacts.

Ocker

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Didn't find original picture or place, what's that google app you're using?

Anyways, it even seems to have own shadow of it's own, if you compare it to the other shadows nearby, do they match as well, can that be done?

Originally posted by Luppakorva
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Didn't find original picture or place, what's that google app you're using?

Anyways, it even seems to have own shadow of it's own, if you compare it to the other shadows nearby, do they match as well, can that be done?

Hi mate
am using Google I 5.1.3509.4636 (beta)
19 58'48.31N 21 11'35.57E copy and paste coordinates

funny thing is there is no land marks visible or other shadows nearby??? weird...

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All those images can also be found here on ATS, I think they were first posted here, but I am not sure.

Probably on the John Lear's Moon Pictures on ATS.

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The only possible explanation (if we ignore strange things on the Moon ) is that this photo was digitised and it was something on the scanner or on photo, like that knot looking thing on the other images.

If it looks more defined than the rest of the photo it usually means that it was something on the scanner or photo and that it was not photographed.