Im starting to like obama more every day.

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I think he's a great ambassador for your country.

Pity he was left such a problems with the economy and foreign policy by Bush.

Wow folks did ya forget that the Afghanees[?] beat The USSR? Not exactly a push over there. The dream of peace while worthwhile requires a little perspective. To forward nuclear disarmament you need all side to agree AND follow through. Obama is like a late nite infomercial, promises everything but when you actually try it.... let down! Too many factors will break his little promises, some not of his control others because he downright lied.

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You seriously have no problem with our Commander-in-Chief not knowing a bloody thing about war?

You don't send more troops "because you don't want to and want change".

As the Commander-in-Chief, don't you think he should have a clue HIMSELF as to what is going on over there? It shouldn't come down to a General begging for help because he's watching all his men die! That's right....he's too busy doing 5 TV shows a night.


This is war. He had the opportunity to end it all -- Iraq, and Afganistan, but he opted not to.

That was HIS choice. He's the one that set the deadline for removal from Iraq -- but what do you know? We're still there anyway!

*sigh*
The list goes on and on.....

PS - Think about why you've changed your mind. It wouldn't have anything to do with him blasting everyone right and left all over the TV, now would it? It's called TOMA (top of mind awareness). They say that after seeing something 14 times you begin to remember and recognize it. After 25 - 30 times you begin to remember actual quotes. After 45 - 50 you are able to recite every positive thing, jingle, or whatever message the company is seliing.

This is a tactic. I encourage you to research for yourself what has ACTUALLY HAPPENED, not what Obama says is going to. They are, unfortunately, two totally different things.

It's strange how my opinion on Obama has sort of change in time from completely negative to neutral and a bit of positive. And back to neutral again.

And I'm not an US citizen.

Plus I'm aware of all the manipulating techniques, however I panicked when I found myself thinking: "Obama is nice, he has good intentions" "he is not that creepy"- eek -

Where all that came from?? I am not certain. =S

Then I thought, I need a break. Hehe

An A+ for the propaganda machine. It has swallowed you hook, line and sinker.

I am sure Obama is an admirable fellow, and possibly even a good guy. But he is not running the show. You can put your faith in Obama if you like, but by doing so you are putting your faith in the elite / bankers that really run the show.

You did say one accurate thing though, that politics is a load of crap. It is distraction to take you away from what is really happening.

Thing is, Obama reads speeches written for him by somebody else. Obama doesn't make 'decisions'. He just appears to do so.

Good luck.

He is a, narcissistic, lying, marxist, "on the down low", sack of garbage. Majority of current politicians are dirt bags, he is just the sour cream that rose to the top.

Don't you find it funny that usually in the private sector, outside of wall street, mega corps, and banking, excellence and good character is rewarded yet in government it gets you nowhere?

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Unfortunately, I think he's just like Bush in all the ways I couldn't stand Bush.

I am the complete opposite of the OP I USED to like him, but he has proven himself more and more each day to be another Bush.

I have mixed feeling about his Presidency so far, but when I voted for him I knew there were going to be both positive & negative consequences.

Aside from all the "Marxist/Socialist!" hype coming from the loopy right (standard political boilerplate which would probably be used against any Democrat that won) he's a fairly standard liberal Democrat. IE a corporate capitalist who advocates a fairly comprehensive welfare state.

This IMO is basically OK, as I am neither a free-marketeer nor a state socialist - frankly I think both ideologies ignore major facets of human nature. All functional economies on the planet are different flavors of the mixed type.

The bailout I'm not delighted about, but it was in progress long before he took office anyway.

Health insurance - unless we want to be a Third World country we need to have some kind of universal health coverage, period. I'd prefer to see a public-private mix like the French than a public only approach like the Brits or Canadians, and this is basically what he's been pushing.

Foreign policy he's handled OK - frankly I would have liked to see more of a step back from the interventionist/hegemonic approach the US has taken since WW2. But I never really expected a huge course change in this from Obama, simply a more multilateralist approach than the last bunch.

He's taken a far more conciliatory approach with the Russians, which I think is wise.

For the bad:

In terms of his campaign promises about transparency and reigning in the excesses of executive branch under Bush, so far he gets a D-minus - he's really failed on this, taking an approach not significantly different than his predecessor.

So I'd give him a mixed appraisal so far.

I feel about the same as I always have about Obama. I knew that I wasn't going to like everything, but like the OP, I feel he's taking us in a good direction. And that's a lot better than what was happening before.

I disapprove of his support of the banks, but I'm no economist and I don't know how bad it might get if we let them fail.

I approve of health care reform. I would change the plan drastically, but as long as he's moving toward everyone getting health care, I support it.

I'd like for him to move faster to get us out of the war, but I understand that we can't just drop everything and leave, although that's what I'd like to do.

I love how I can show my face again on the world front. The world seems to like him quite a bit.

There are more policies that I agree and disagree with, but overall, I think he's a much better president than Bush and I don't buy the conspiracy theories about him, so I'm feeling pretty good.

Nice thread.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I feel about the same as I always have about Obama. I knew that I wasn't going to like everything, but like the OP, I feel he's taking us in a good direction. And that's a lot better than what was happening before.

I disapprove of his support of the banks, but I'm no economist and I don't know how bad it might get if we let them fail.

I approve of health care reform. I would change the plan drastically, but as long as he's moving toward everyone getting health care, I support it.

I'd like for him to move faster to get us out of the war, but I understand that we can't just drop everything and leave, although that's what I'd like to do.

I love how I can show my face again on the world front. The world seems to like him quite a bit.

There are more policies that I agree and disagree with, but overall, I think he's a much better president than Bush and I don't buy the conspiracy theories about him, so I'm feeling pretty good.

Nice thread.

I like this post a lot. I too am somewhat fond of our president.

Sure he is not perfect, and I don't agree with him on everything especially the bailouts.

However the one thing I really admire him for is actually trying to be peaceful in terms of foreign policy. The Iraq war is dying down, and hopefully we'll pull our troops out of their soon, we're already out of all the major cities. As for Afganistan, well unfortunately that isn't getting any better.

I do however like the overtures he's making to other nations. I think conceding the missile defense shield in eastern europe is a good thing. I really enjoyed the speech he made to the muslim world in Cairo this summer.

Most importantly though, he makes me proud to be an American. During the Bush years I felt ashamed that we had such a disrespectful, rude leader, not to mention one under whom the patriot act was implemented (yes I know Obama voted for its continuation, no I don't like that either). The mere election of Obama proves to the rest of the world that we aren't a bunch of intolerant fools running around like chickens with our heads cut off. He is our ambassador to the whole world, and I think he's doing a decent job.

My opinion of Barry O will never change. He was, and still is, a puppet for the global controllers who wish to enslave all of humanity.

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It is mind boggling to me that people have had faith in any president since kennedy. Men of caliber are rare in this day and age and I assure you Obama is not a man of caliber.

The rulers of the world are men with money. Do you have any money? No? If not you do not have a say in what goes on. What you do have though is an illusion of choice. People fall for this illusion but then they dont want to come out of the illusion. Its to real.

Here are some points.

-Obama said he would not be held liable for his campaign promises after he was elected.

-he said he was not going to have lobbyists.

-said nafta was a mistake then sent a memo to members saying it was just campaign rhetoric.

-first week in office supposedly signed an order to close guantanamo bay but actually said he was only thinking about closing quantanamo.

-continued practice of rendition, which is basicly secret abductions, secret arrests. Makes it so we can take prisoners to other countrys to be tortured.

-when a british high court said it was going to release information about how british and us forces systematicly tortured terror suspects obama said he would cut off all intelligance support to britian and said it was needed for national security.

-continued bailouts of bankrupt corpurations that bush had started.

-continueing the campaign in iraq and afghanistan.

-ran on a campaign of exiting iraq and afghanistan as soon as he was presidant but continues to support funding for expansion in both countries.

These are just a few, hopefully i will add more tommorow. The biggest thing should be obama administration stealing almost 3 trillion from the tax payers and raising the debt ceiling to over 15 trillion. He has put us in even more debt and is ultimatly going to be remembered as the man who collasped the dollar. Dont be a sheeple.







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Dont be a sheeple.

"Sheeple", on ATS, has come to mean "anyone who disagrees with me"

Your post actually had substance until you sank to insults.

Originally posted by calihan_12

um, i think you cant be serious.

bush is the reason WHY we are in afghanistan.

bush is the reason WHY we have a deficit in the first place

bush is the reason WHY unemployment is so high.

give me a break you are blind if you think this is obamas fault.

And a few years from now

obama is the reason WHY we are in iran.

obama is the reason WHY we have a quadrupled deficit now.

obama is the reason WHY unemployment is STILL so high.

give me a break, you are blind if you think this is all bushes fault.

This is why I refuse to visit ATS anymore. The constant badgering and force feeding of everyone else's opinions is just disgusting. You all are complaining about how the propaganda machine has gotten her, have you ever thought maybe you've fallen under the spell of a propaganda machine of your own making, or one of the conservative's design? Just because someone has a differing opinion doesn't mean they're falling for anything. Sheesh. That's one of the wonders of living here in the United States, being able to make up your own mind, regardless of everyone else.

Me? There are some things I approve of that Obama is doing, and others I do not. Personally I could care less about gun advocacy. I think guns and any type of deadly weapon ranging from knives to nuclear weapons should be outlawed, and that's from deep personal experience on the receiving end. Healthcare, I think there should be an option, for people like myself, to purchase, PURCHASE insurance with my own hard earned money to be able to afford care because I have "pre-existing conditions".

He's a normal human, he's not working for the NWO (which doesn't even exist), he's trying his best to hey, look at that, form the US to it's peak of ideals. I guess the white picket fence and amazing family from the 40's and 50's isn't what people want anymore?

So yeah, I think he's doing a MUCH better job than any other president in my lifetime. You know what? You win some, you lose some. Cloves just got outlawed, but hey, I smoke menthols. Now, I might have to change camps if those get banned as well, LOL.

But here's the thing. Before you start throwing around words and blaming others and claiming someone's been charmed by the "gubment", look in the mirror and ask yourself if your head isn't so far up Rush Limbaugh's ass before you open your mouth.

It's gotten worse month by month and this may very well be my last visit ever to ATS.

So just how long have you worked for the C.I.A?

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Are you sure you don't want to reconsider? five years is an long time to wait for the country of your dreams. It's not really as crowded as they say, and I wouldn't pay to much attention to those rumors of feces floating in the rivers and streams.

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"oh, and about the cigarettes... WOW we have a president who wants his people to be HEALTHY so he raises taxes on cigarettes.

since when is that a bad thing exactly? i full agree with him on that. people shouldnt smoke, its just gross and doesnt even make you feel good!"

WE are not "his people". Neither you or obama has been given the right to determine what is and what is not good for the individual to consume.

India might not be such a bad place after all once his marxist ideas of redistrubiting wealth kicks in. You wouldn't even have to work for it, prosperity would be given you for simply occupying time and space. Yes, the messiah has big plans for everyone, everyone except Americans. Aren't we the lucky one's?



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In all honestly there are few Presidents, I've ever liked.

Franklin Pierce

George Washington

Thomas Jefferson

Andrew Jackson

John F. Kennedy.



I honestly don't know much of F.P but it's a great video if you want to know that much more about him, a true hero.