Ask an initiate and member of secret societies

Hi IX-777,

Nice to meet someone who is trying to help people out with their questions regarding the secret societies and for trying to spread light.
For people who are going to carry on about masonic ritual please note, IX-777 claims to be from a group with their roots in the 1400's, this predates freemasonry. So he is not claiming grandmastership in freemasonry necessarily.
I do have one thing to say though which may or may not offend, as a grand master you will understand what I'm saying and I'm sure will take it as I intended.
You have previously posted saying you'd hope people would ask in more detail or about deeper secrets etc. but they do not currently have the capacity to do so (no offence to anyone this is not an attack on your intelligence). It's like swimming, they have to get their toes wet before they can go into the deep end. In this regard then i think that perhaps you are looking for your own Shams-i-Tabriz, and i hope you find them on your travels.
I am personally sorry for you that for whatever reason you were at meetings that involved blood sacrifice and sexual obscenities. I hope you're free from those things currently.

reply to post by IX-777


IX- Curious about your knowledge and opinion of the Freezone/Scientology technology and ideas. Some of what you talk about sounds very similar....

In my journeys I have found some truth that resonates across all philosophies.

It was said about Freemasonry once that the "Secret" of Freemasonry can not be told, nor transmitted from one to another. In order to get to the Truth you must, in the end, guess. When you guess correctly everything becomes clear and it all makes sense.

I would surmise that a lot of other secret society mysteries are similar. The answers are not provided, only the questions. It is up to the individual in the end to find the truth.

To the thread in general, I wonder what you guys make of this quote from Jesus in the Gospel of Thomas:

His disciples said to him, "When will the repose of the dead come about, and when will the new world come?" He said to them, "What you look forward to has already come, but you do not recognize it."

In my quest to 'guess' what could be the most shocking and incomprehensible mysteries possible I always ask the strangest questions.

Here I wonder -- is it possible the "apocalypse" (or revelation of truth) has already happened? Is it possible we missed the bus?

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I'll take a crack at this since it brings me some joy to speculate about this subject. Maggador can correct me if I've lost my way.

As above; so below.

I think there's both the apocalypse that is personal, the cleansing out of old habits, letting go of resistance. There is a period of tribulation, false enlightenments that are really a produce of ego, and finally the elevation in consciousness when one has let go.

Then there is the the "big one" for we as a species, in many ways similar to the personal. I believe we're in it at the moment. Still, by any definition, it has come. We are dealing with our demons at present.

So, I propose the apocalypse and the crucifixion are in fact the same process but meant to deceive literal readers into not recognizing that.

what I'd like to know, is the secret aspect of the Secret society. I mean we have all heard different things about what goes on, but are there any major secrets that they have, that the ordinary person doesn't. I'm all about this type of stuff, but some if it is just ridiculous, so it's hard to draw the line between real and fictitious. So any major things you can clarify would certainly help.

Originally posted by THX-1138
So far, I have only found three books that have given away secrets. Blavatsky's Isis Unveiled and Secret Doctrine. They helped me the most.

The third is Neumann's Origins And History Of Consciousness (I had to have other information before I could get the real stuff out of this book).

Blavatsky's texts are pretty phenomenal, and could be viewed as the kind-of-basis for modern western occultism. I do not count myself as occultist (:lol, certainly not a Theosophist and I'm not a memeber of any of these societies.

Some of Blavatskys' text is just flat-out crazy.. it's more like some type of spirit writing than your normal book. There are some real metaphysical gems hidden in these books.

IX also recommended Israel Regardie.. those CD's released on New Falcon were damn good. Some of the best stuff on them were definitely the breath exercises that were almost similar to the Prayanama-practices in yoga.

Crowleys' texts never really gave me anything, or maybe I just don't understand them.

Originally posted by IX-777
I suspect you never actually attended any OTO lodge but merely write what you have read.

I am a former member of OTO.

Regarding the Abramelin operation, it is as dark as it can get as it involved direct contact with demons and evil entities. True, the goal may be "good", but yet you have to go through a huge amount of demonic entities first and many fail there. Just like Crowley did.

No, one first realizes the Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel, and only then does he spread that light into the inferior worlds.

Originally posted by Zkolo4894
what I'd like to know, is the secret aspect of the Secret society. I mean we have all heard different things about what goes on, but are there any major secrets that they have, that the ordinary person doesn't. I'm all about this type of stuff, but some if it is just ridiculous, so it's hard to draw the line between real and fictitious. So any major things you can clarify would certainly help.

I believe that anything that is taught in a 'secret' society can be uncovered and learned by an individual on his or her own.

Being surrounded by people on the same quest, learning tools to help you along, really seems helpful to me.

IX-777

I have some quick questions for you:

1.) What was the chemical makeup of the sacramental drink used during the initiation in the great pyramid?

2.) Are the "aliens","ascended masters", etc... true, third-part entities or simply of phantoms of the human mind, speaking back to itself?

3.) How do you access these "entities", specifically? (rituals, etc?)

3.) Who are the secret rulers of the world, specifically?

4.) If there are people who are "evil secret society members" and don't want humans to know the truth of their capabilities, then why don't the "good secret society members" just kill them all en masse' to save us once and for all?

The secret societies used to exist for the benefit and rule of mankind, now they seem to only exist for their own sake.

5.) Why don't you just tell us all about our capabilities? Why hint at it, with no usable information? We all know we have latent ability, what we really need is a step-by-step guide to unlock it.

If you are the grandmaster of your organization, you have the power and say so to just come out and tell us everything useful you know.

6.) If we live in a time of great spiritual change, then why are things pretty much the same as they have always been? The world is one giant shopping mall, and the great mass of people are brutal, animalistic dullards. Why is the world in disarray in an "age of enlightenment"?

7.) If spiritual evolution exists, then why were the Cathars, Druids, native american, etc, all eradicated?

8.) What society are you a grandmaster of? How can we join?







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I can give you my opinion (not that you asked LOL!)

Originally posted by twiceborn
IX-777

2.) Are the "aliens","ascended masters", etc... true, third-part entities or simply of phantoms of the human mind, speaking back to itself?

It is my belief the "ascended masters" are the same as the "Enlightened Ones". They are the ones that left the knowledge/truth/logos for us to discover. I'm not necessarily convinced they are aliens currently visiting.

3.) Who are the secret rulers of the world, specifically?

Currently there is chaos and dissent among the "New World Order". Frankly they don't know their (redacted) from a hole in the ground and there is no organized central authority.

4.) If there are people who are "evil secret society members" and don't want humans to know the truth of their capabilities, then why don't the "good secret society members" just kill them all en masse' to save us once and for all?

Because the "good guys" would be going against all they believe, and the knowledge they guard. They are simply sentinels and custodians of the Light.

There are possibly 'artifacts' that contain the truth as handed down to us. There is not a grave danger of them falling into the wrong hands, as they can defend themselves.

The secret societies used to exist for the benefit and rule of mankind, now they seem to only exist for their own sake.

Many secret societies have lost their way and purpose. Only a society free of dogma and theology can understand the 'mysteries' or the 'light'. Once religious or political leanings are allowed to infiltrate the group then they essentially just exist for their own sake.

5.) Why don't you just tell us all about our capabilities? Why hint at it, with no usable information? We all know we have latent ability, what we really need is a step-by-step guide to unlock it.

This is indeed the crux of the issue. The guide books have already been written. The reason the Truth can not be transmitted from one person to another is that it is an experience, not simply words, symbols or ritual.

Also, it is a lifetime journey. Much like someone could not be expected to fly the space shuttle with a 50 page instruction manual, it is impossible to experience light and truth without a significant personal transformation.

If you are the grandmaster of your organization, you have the power and say so to just come out and tell us everything useful you know.

It's simply not possible. All the words, instructions, symbols and rituals of most so-called secret societies have been exposed verbatim on the internet. Simply reading them or listening to them makes no sense.

It's like trying to explain the color Red to another person. How can you explain the color Red? You can talk about frequencies and wavelengths, crayons, paint, etc., but in the end it is the OTHER person that has to experience and discover what Red is on their own.

6.) If we live in a time of great spiritual change, then why are things pretty much the same as they have always been? The world is one giant shopping mall, and the great mass of people are brutal, animalistic dullards. Why is the world in disarray in an "age of enlightenment"?

Any time of great change is a time of turmoil and tribulation. Brutality and materialism are human constructs. It is easier to hate than it is to love. It is easier to take than receive.

All ages have believed themselves to be on the brink of Enlightenment. Throughout the ages humankind has believed the end of the world was just around the corner.

The thing that is different in our time is the acceleration of technology, and the dissemination of information. More knowledge and technology have been gained in the last five years than in the preceeding 5000 years. This 'quickening' is more than exponential, and much like an atomic reaction it will reach critical mass soon.

People will either reject the Light and continue hating each other, or embrace it and put aside our bigoted and prejudicial emotions and learn that to survive and thrive we must all depend on each other.

7.) If spiritual evolution exists, then why were the Cathars, Druids, native american, etc, all eradicated?

In many cases the powers-that-be, whether Church or potentate, realize that when people wake up and think for themselves the PTB lose power over them.

Can you imagine what would happen if the majority of society suddenly discovered that all our petty temporal and physical problems don't matter? What if they realized a beautiful and life-changing truth that NO ONE on earth can control them?

When someone discovers that our physical, temporal and transient mortal existence is a tiny thing in the grand scheme of things then no one can hold control over them any longer. Sure, there will be pain and suffering, but it is only a temporary state.






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I found a great, simple quote today that sums up EVERYTHING very well!

It is from a research study compiling 3,000 near death experiences as reported by the subjects.

If you expect to die when you die you will be disappointed.

Originally posted by twiceborn

2.) Are the "aliens","ascended masters", etc... true, third-part entities or simply of phantoms of the human mind, speaking back to itself?

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Often times a little bit of both. They are intelligences whose knowledge, power and wisdom far exceeds the intelligence of a normal human being. Weather this means a normal human is tapping into something in their own mind but far greater than they consciously are, or that they are contacting a separate entity is of little consequence as the results are the same. As for third party entities, they still have to communicate to us through our minds and are limited to our own thought patterns and what we are willing to hear and believe.

Originally posted by twiceborn

3.) How do you access these "entities", specifically? (rituals, etc?)

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You have to want to know the truth about yourself, you have to want wisdom over power, and accept the responsibilities of power.

Originally posted by twiceborn

4.) If there are people who are "evil secret society members" and don't want humans to know the truth of their capabilities, then why don't the "good secret society members" just kill them all en masse' to save us once and for all?

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Nobody is stopping you from learning the truth about yourself. All the evil in the world can merely deter one from wanting to know the truth, but the need for truth burns brighter in some than in others from birth- yet everyone feels the need at least once in their life. Weather or not you take up the quest is your choice.

Originally posted by twiceborn

The secret societies used to exist for the benefit and rule of mankind, now they seem to only exist for their own sake.

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There are still some which do.

Originally posted by twiceborn

5.) Why don't you just tell us all about our capabilities? Why hint at it, with no usable information? We all know we have latent ability, what we really need is a step-by-step guide to unlock it.

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There are many such guides. But the path is not easy, wisdom takes years to acquire and much turmoil. You think its hard to live with the physical truths of this world and its corruption, try living every day with the spiritual truths- the wasteland entire, the rot within and without humanity.

Originally posted by twiceborn

6.) If we live in a time of great spiritual change, then why are things pretty much the same as they have always been? Why is the world in disarray in an "age of enlightenment"?

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This is just the Messiah complex of the west. If its not Jesus its some angel, or some guru, or some ascended master, or some alien, or some astrological event, or something which is going to come and save you. But I'm here and I tell you that only you can save yourself!

Once humanity stops believing that we will one day wake up enlightened, real spiritual revolution can begin to occur.

Originally posted by twiceborn

7.) If spiritual evolution exists, then why were the Cathars, Druids, native american, etc, all eradicated?

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Spiritual evolution doesn't protect you from a sword or a gun or an invading army. Furthermore each individual has to desire and seek evolution themselves. Being old or having events happen to you only goes so far, true Enlightenment comes with work- yet also much time and energy and effort. You don't worry about the secrets of Being when you have to feed your family, fight off famines, deal with wars. That's the real evil being done, humans can't spiritually evolve nearly as effectively in an environment which is constantly life threatening, which is most of the world right now.

1) Why Is life a endless circle, an infinite loop? Like the deck of Tarot or the Ouroboros? I mean, does history repeats itself and only technology changed?

2) Will we reincarnate here until we learn everything... that's the "Wheel of Fortune"?

3) Does God have unlimited and infinite power, yet he does not get involved directly in the Earth (free will), unless we want?

4) "Are we gods" means that we have in potentia the power of Telepathy, Remote Viewing, Clairvoyance, etc...? Is that what one can learn in Freemasonry, Rosicrux, Golden Dawn?

5) How Is it possible to bypass the free-will of another being, through some sort of advanced hypnosis, mesmerism or personality domanance?

6) How Is it possible to a human being to mutate into an object or an animal?

7) Why Sexual transmutation, gnosticism, controlling the low venter... is a path to enlightment? That's why masons use the apron?
Is sexual energy the most powerful energy the human has?

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Originally posted by infobrazil
1) Why Is life a endless circle, an infinite loop? Like the deck of Tarot or the Ouroboros? I mean, does history repeats itself and only technology changed?

History repeats itself in human and natural affairs, but there is no reason to assume that this repetition is a circle. The repetitions are different in as many ways as they are similar.

Originally posted by infobrazil
2) Will we reincarnate here until we learn everything... that's the "Wheel of Fortune"?

Nobody could answer that question from anything but personal experience and belief. I have personally experienced being out of body and past life memories while fully conscious. The latter actually informed me of things I had no way of knowing about ancient Greece and even changed my mannerisms, the way I walk and the way I talk over night...

Originally posted by infobrazil
3) Does God have unlimited and infinite power, yet he does not get involved directly in the Earth (free will), unless we want?

This is based on belief, no answer can suffice. Do you want God to exist, have infinite power, be unable to interfere? My belief is that if God exists it would allow us to have complete free will, including the free will to seek Gods intervention or enlightenment.

Originally posted by infobrazil
4) "Are we gods" means that we have in potentia the power of Telepathy, Remote Viewing, Clairvoyance, etc...? Is that what one can learn in Freemasonry, Rosicrux, Golden Dawn?

Yep you can learn that in the G.D. and R.C., I'm not sure any of these techniques are taught in Masonry, though there's no reason a Mason couldn't learn it from elsewhere.

Originally posted by infobrazil
5) How Is it possible to bypass the free-will of another being, through some sort of advanced hypnosis, mesmerism or personality domanance?

While most people have free will few really know how to use it. They are trapped in their own patterns and are incapable of making a choice outside of those patterns, thus they fall into predictability. Having fallen into predictability, it appears to those who can predict the patterns that the individual has no free will, while it appears to everyone else that they do. It has little to do with mind control and much to do with prescience.

Originally posted by infobrazil
6) How Is it possible to a human being to mutate into an object or an animal?

Dunno, never seen it done. If someone could do this, they could manipulate matter and therefore would basically be immortal, eternal living gods who could do virtually anything. It would be like being Dr. Manhattan.

Originally posted by infobrazil
7) Why Sexual transmutation, gnosticism, controlling the low center... is a path to enlightenment? That's why masons use the apron?
Is sexual energy the most powerful energy the human has?

On every level matter and energy continues to show us a basic duality of positive and negative forces in the cosmos. Thus everything embodies these two principles, and only in higher stages of evolution are these "sexualized". Regardless, the answer is yes, learning to manipulate this duality is where all power comes from.

Wow... thanks a lot, Seventhdoor, f***ing great answers!

Originally posted by Seventhdoor
While most people have free will few really know how to use it. They are trapped in their own patterns and are incapable of making a choice outside of those patterns, thus they fall into predictability. Having fallen into predictability, it appears to those who can predict the patterns that the individual has no free will, while it appears to everyone else that they do. It has little to do with mind control and much to do with prescience.

How Is it possible to one get out of the predictability trap, without someone pointing out that "blind spot"?

Since he'll always be right, I mean, his ego won't let him know that what he's doing is "wrong", since he's still alive and therefore, in thesis, his system is "perfect"?

Considering all the above, what's the best way to use the free-will?

If free-will is respected in those brotherhoods, It means that he who breaks a landmark or an oath will not be punished by others, he may punish himself throught psychosomatic ill, considering that the ritual enhances the power of belief?

Originally posted by Seventhdoor
On every level matter and energy continues to show us a basic duality of positive and negative forces in the cosmos. Thus everything embodies these two principles, and only in higher stages of evolution are these "sexualized". Regardless, the answer is yes, learning to manipulate this duality is where all power comes from.

That's why the number 9 is so important? 3 + 6 = 9?

Were Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Moses Jesus members of "secret societies"?

And... why the fraternities need new members? Just to maintain the synergy of thought, the egregore?

Why are you sharing occult knowledge with the profane?

Why not share knowledge to a better world? I mean, I do charity also, but I know that teaching to fish is way better than just giving the fish.


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firstly, is this site legit? www.esotericgoldendawn.com...the only reason i ask is that they do astral initiation...is that typical or sound?

what are good suggestions for orders to join? which are you, here on this thread, a part of? or is it a secret?


can i get some enlightened views on our purpose here?
IX-777 mentioned that we are deceived and we have no true purpose here; we are merely slaves. is this true? can someone shed some light?

if it is true, and we are slaves, how does one stop the cycle and what will happen once the cycle stops??

and.
do animals have souls/consciousness like humans? lolz
srsly though.

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Hey,

It depends what IX-777's beliefs are to his referencing about slaves, it could come from many different viewpoints. I guess we'll know more once he messages again. In many ways we are all slaves, that's what i believe in anyway, and that's what i've learned. But not necessarily in a bad way.

Alot of secret societies will do a white light initiation/astral initiation on you. That just depends. People i know must study for years on basic stuff before being let anywhere near that.

cheers

Secret societies... why does that sound so god awfully pointless.

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It makes me wonder, if some of the beliefs are so out there, well what would've happened if they decided to go and preach these things on the street corner Jesus style?

Well most likely if they started early the majority of people would believe these things and they wouldn't need to be secret.

Then we'd all be able to achieve the spiritual enlightenment many of these groups claim to have.

In a perfect world there'd be no secrets, and maybe not any societies

I appreciate all the discussions here.

I am new and interested in becoming involved in an initiatic group. I have been involved in Rosicrucian Groups before but found it lacking any real insight or knowledge.

Two questions:

Any suggestions for a real initiatic group

And what should I expect to encounter and learn?

Thanks,

Mundane Egg