There is NO heaven OR Hell.

God I hate christians, oh.. wait.. I hate God too.
Yahweh that is, it's self evident that he's evil, seriously, why can't you christians see that? How can you justify all the sick and depraved things your god supposedly did?

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First either you believe God exist, or you don't believe he exist. If you believe God exist even when he is angry you would stupid to not folllow the one who created all.

Originally posted by smsjogren
Dragon Rider Gal, again, you continue to impress me. You not only seemingly refute my thoughts quite intelligently, you do so well enough I can't think of any immediate way to pierce your defense.

Thank you for that very high praise! I am simply stating what I have learned to be how things are, though, and gathering information from the racial/collective unconscious. Of course, I synopsize and synergize the information and probably come out with an unusual overall view of things.

While I will continue to follow my own beliefs, (as you should until you decide otherwise based on new information that might come to your attention) I would like to rephrase some of the statements I made earlier. The enragement and disgust I felt earlier I think must have been left over from reading the Bible thumpers' posts. Blindly following anything, including a religion, is a path I have no intention of following so eagerly.

Total agreement there! But the NWO does it's best to try to get people to just accept what they are told, no questions asked. I see it even working in the media, for example the whole 911 thing. Even a little investigation and question asking on that and it is clear something is fishy about the whole 'al quida in a cave did it' thing.

Also, when I said it was a masterpiece of insanity, don't take that the wrong way. Insane and wrong are NOT the same thing, and I tend to glorify insanity whenever I see it in person, because I know everyone is capable of it.

Of course your definition of 'insanity' may be different than mine as well. I see insanity as a state of disconnectedness with the world around them. Of course after learning about the spirit realm level of stuff, I almost wonder if some of those people who I previously would have classified as 'insane' are actually more psychically sensitive and can't protect themselves from impingement by forces from that level. The aliens are all psychic and think it great fun to jerk om us deaf and blind human's chain by whispering to us thru telepathy and making us doubt ourselves. The demons are the ones most likely to do so, since they feed on intense emotional energy.

Also, I'm going to drop my biggest disagreement of the emotion idea, because when it comes to biochemistry, I am truly in over my head, so I can easily be persuaded that fear can be smelled. Considering that taste and smell are so closely linked, I can buy emotion being tasted. However, I still disagree on it being possible to EAT emotion as sustenance.

And about that, it is important to understand energy is energy, no matter what form it may be in. Some of us get energy from ingesting food stuff and absorbing the latent energy out of it. Some soak up the sun's energy to grow aka plants. The demons are rather like plants in that respect. They soak up emotive energy like plants do the sunlight. They also eat stuff like meat and plants from their world which is their primary life sustaining method, but the emotive energy is sort of like whip cream to them; very satisfying and tasty but not very filling.

Also, still disbelieving as I do, from my point of view, the "self-serving" defense, that you don't want to be enslaved YOURSELF, and that's your motivation, that's a good defense. Well-played indeed, I didn't expect that for some reason.

In a word: touche`.

Probably because most new agey types don't ever admit to a personal agenda in their whole spiel. That would be soooo spiritually un-evolved, ya know. *rolls eyes* Another spin by the NWO bunch. They make it a point to infiltrate any organization or movement that could threaten their enslavement plans, then fill them with disinformation, out right lies, and do their best to fracture the movement by creating dissension. You can see them doing it even on these forums. And if we stay focused on everyone else, but not ourselves, we waste a lot of time and never get the personal growth work done that we need to.

What it really comes down to is we can't save the world, only ourselves. And really if you heal your self, you do heal the world because your whole perspective of it changes. The NWO doesn't want us to know that because then most of us would be much better prepared to make enlightenment. They lose us if we do. Can't enslave somebody who is fully enlightened, especially if they have shifted over into their light/spirit bodies!

(Part two coming up!)

[edit on 1-10-2009 by DragonriderGal]

Originally posted by smsjogren
Just for my own clear understanding, I'm going to describe the sides of this 'conflict' as I see them. Please feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken.

The good side is us, because every group considers themselves to be the good guys. We need to... be able to be angry at the end of this contract? And Christianity and the other religions may prevent that? So are we going to fight them at the end, or do we just need to be able to get enraged at the NWO?

Hum.. no, there isn't a good side. We humans are on track for making enlightenment; that is a pretty significant event for the galactic community. So our cause is a worthy one, which the elves are willing to help with because it is to their benefit. They will get their world back AND they will have the friendship and good will of the most powerful beings in the universe aka humans who have made full enlightenment.

And no, manipulating us out of our anger was pretty much for keeping the NWO bunch safe while they try to enslave us. Once we make enlightenment, I am quite sure those of us who do, will see the reason the NWO was brought here and why we, the human race, made that contract with them back at the beginning. It was for OUR benefit really, not theirs.

If we hadn't had them nipping at our heels, abusing us out of our comfy little niches, pushing us with unrelenting unmerciful goading, we (humanity) would not have been ready to make full enlightenment in this cycle of the earth energy rising. Pure and simple, they were here to 'help' us. Training exercises with live fire. Very effective; rather messy and painful and sometimes fatal, but quite effective.

Our allies/people who just want the NWO to not win are the 'elves' who Native Americans in North and South America previously worshipped as their gods, as well as Greek/Roman/Norse/Egyptian, etc. mythologies. Essentially most ancient polytheisms worshipped the elves. The elves liked us because we worshipped them wholeheartedly, so they don't want the NWO to enslave us, rather they'd have us worship them (the elves) of our own free will.

The elves did like us because for all that we have many weaknesses, we do love deeply and unwaveringly those who we adore. That gave us a value not many other species have. Our emotional field is very deep compared to other aliens, so while we suffer immensely (also why the demons love to torment us), we also love very deeply and our joy is rich and full. Overall, very enjoyable to the elves especially.

And they hate the NWO for being so abusive to the many ex-elven spirits now in human bodies. They have withheld their wrath because they know and understand why we humans made that contract with the NWO bunch, but when it ends in 2012, oh they are soooooo gonna get some revenge for that.

That is what the whole revelations in the bible is about, I think. See, the archangels are actually the elves that stayed on after the rescue ship took the rest of the trapped elves home, but the energy pathways (of which the star gates are a part) are being restored even as we speak. In 2012, all of the elves who have had their ex-kin folk abused by the NWO are coming back, and oh boy, make sure to stay out of the way. It isn't OUR tribulation, it is the ex-Jue-sah and NWO flunkies but if you are in the line of fire, you might take a hit too.

The bad guys are the NWO aka Satan and his demons, who want us to... not be angry when they come around to enslave us. Well, I guess I can understand their position, if I wanted slaves, I sure want them to just come quietly and be docile little lambs. They want to enslave us to make us suffer, which they will then feed upon. Delicious, right?

The demons and the satan energy are aliens and just the NWO's employees. The only reason as I said was that if we humans get angry at them before they get us enslaved, it will be a LOT more dangerous for them and the success of their plans. because, right, docile and manipulatable is much easier to enslave.

After we are enslaved though, they think our anger won't matter. They will just kill anyone who acts angry. There will be no mercy if they succeed. Only the sheep who do as bid will survive, but their lives will be the equivalent of those people in the dark ages. Hard labor for life with very little food. No medical, no modern conveniences. Only the NWO will have that, and a few of their rich chosen flunkies.

In 2012 is when this contract's term is up, at which point if 80% of humanity... is not angry, they get to enslave us. Am I getting the anger deal right, because it seems odd, so please inform me on that. There is no way that even 2% of humanity would not get angry at the thought of being enslaved. Or will they come to us posing as the saviors in religion, disguised as Jesus and Moses and Buddha and Hulk Hogan? That way we go with them willingly as they deceive us? Is that what they plan?

If 80% of humanity believes and follows any of their spun crap like religion including a lot of versions of the new age stuff or the 'god' of science, or are in deep debt or are heavily addicted to stuff, if it is something the NWO bunch created, then they can count those people enslaved to them.

How in the past have we made fools of them, out of curiousity? I wouldn't know, because I don't have hindsight into my 'past lives.' Truth be told, I doubt I would want to know about my 'past lives' even if I could. I would rather live each life like it was the only one I ever get. I don't know if it's the same feeling I have about knowing what my own death will be, but it's similar in that either way, I'd rather not know.

Oh, we have always found a way to overthrow their tyranny; either by being sneaky or by inventing things like the printing press that undercut their 'superior' position and allowed us to break free of the chains they thought they had on us. Since we are technically only a 325,000 year old race (veritable babies!) we shouldn't have been able to do that.

It is like a seeming kindergartner outsmarting a someone with a Ph.d. The NWO bunch are so gritting their teeth over that. And everyone else is getting a lot of laughs out of it. Most of the other aliens don't like the Jue-sah. They were the equivalent of rat catchers and garbage men for the galactic community. They were needed which gave them an over inflated sense of value, but nobody really wanted to associate with them.

Also, I'm fairly doubtful that more than 15% of the world is truly faithful to the religion they subscribe to. A major reason why I dislike organized religions. Judging by my estimations, I think we'll be fairly safe when 2012 rolls around.

It seems like they can count a lot of people as enslaved with all that stuff, but as frantic as the NWO seems to be in this last ditch effort to take over America, I am thinking they are not nearly as close as they should be, and having to resort to brute force and violence to get what they need even with all the various kinds of addicts and religious nuts and stuff.

But anyway I would say, don't volunteer to go to any FEMA camps! They are wanting to kill a lot of us and enslave the rest. As for all that nuclear stuff, I don't think we have to worry about that, though. The Elves won't let them mess up this world that much. Just understand that the NWO is going to spin and spin and spin to make us as afraid as they can so that more of us will come running to hide under their 'protective' *ack* wing when they start triggering earthquakes and such. It will totally be as Ben Franklin said; He who trades freedom for security will soon have neither. (or something like that.)

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Originally posted by TheLaughingGod
God I hate christians, oh.. wait.. I hate God too.
Yahweh that is, it's self evident that he's evil, seriously, why can't you christians see that? How can you justify all the sick and depraved things your god supposedly did?

Cute! Well if you are an ex-Jue-sah, you are used to being treated that way by your 'superiors' but in return you get to treat all the non-jue-sah like cattle. Sort of a kick the dog kind of satisfaction.

Originally posted by slymattb
reply to post by TheLaughingGod

 

First either you believe God exist, or you don't believe he exist. If you believe God exist even when he is angry you would stupid to not folllow the one who created all.

If this fabricated 'god' was the one who created all, sure it would be silly not to follow, but since the real god energy is NOTHING like that fakey god in the bible, you don't have to worry about it.

You got all of this from one shaman session...??? And it was just drumming??? Look at all the shamans in the world. None talk about the NWO like you have from this experience. Even though I agree with you on alot of the matters, The NWO wasen't here forever... Look at hinduhism one of the oldest religions, the NWO defintly didnt make that. And if you do I think you should look at some history books

Originally posted by slymattb
reply to post by TheLaughingGod

 

First either you believe God exist, or you don't believe he exist. If you believe God exist even when he is angry you would stupid to not folllow the one who created all.

I wasn't 100% serious with that comment, I don't really hate christians, militant atheists with a worldview that dismiss everything that isn't materialistic is a bigger pain in the ass in Sweden.
Science is the new god here.

I don't really know about god though, I'm leaning towards believing in some kind of "oneness", however I would never worship the abrahamic god, and since I don't believe in him like christians do I'm not afraid of going to hell.
That's their spin on god, I just can't believe that god would have a system that is so flawed, it's really unjust in my opinion.

I want to think that a omniscient being would transcend anger, hate and revenge, isn't that kind of immature for a god?
I don't really know, that's what I want to think, I may be wrong though.

[edit on 2-10-2009 by TheLaughingGod]

maybe there is no heaven or hell, but being somewhat christian I would like to go to this large tree in the green grassy fields where the children and animals can talk and play with each other, where there is no wars or sickness and only happiness and laughter. thats my kind of place if there is one such as this.

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Ok, so now heaven and hell. They created those concepts as control tools to keep people acting the way they want them to act, period. If you act 'right', you get to go to heaven; and always coincidentally what is 'right' is defined by the priests and dogma of the 'religion' and everyone else must have 'faith' that their priests and dogma is telling them the truth about stuff, and are never allowed to question the information even if it seems counter-intuitive.

And of course Hell was created as a reason to always want to do right so you don't end up going there 'for eternity!'

I agree with you, and I am a Christian. Some call me a heretic or worse, though.

What the churches teach and what scriptures teach are 2 very different things.

The word "hell" is not a valid translation of any word in scripture. Neither is the word "eternal". Keeping these mistranslations in the Bible is a conspiracy, because these "theologians" know better.

It's not my site, but he explains it better than I can. bible-truths.com...

Todays religion is all about control. And with control comes money. Lots and lots of money.

Hi guys, I'm hoping to just jump right in here and throw you guys a curve ball to wrap your minds around, hopefully making you think, possibly coming back with replies that would help further others thoughts including myself.


People say that there's a physical plain and an astral plain. We live in the physical plain and our soul resides in the astral.

Combined with that is the idea that there are different densities (from low to high) in each plain or in other words dimensions. Some believe that lower density represents negative vibration and in the higher densities it becomes light.

What if our soul would return to the astral plane vibrating like it was in the physical plain. Negative souls would go to the lower densities and positive to higher?

Now you have a pool of negative souls, and positive souls. From here you can tell it's starting to resemble Heaven/Hell without the clouds or fire.

On top of this is the thought that outside our bodies and the physical plane, there is no concept of time, everything just IS. Therefore what we consider an eternity is just existing there.Past, present, future just are so that encompasses all time.....eternity.

Do i believe you're stuck where you end up.... no, but it would come by raising your vibrations.

All stories have some truth to them. I personally think over time the story has changed to make "Heaven/Hell" much more glorious/sinister. Again think about it, these stories are coming from people who thought the earth was flat and was the center of the universe. Shouldn't we rethink Heaven/Hell in modern term with more evolved knowledge?

My usual disclaimer:
I don't claim anything above to be the absolute truth. It's just my opinion on the given topic of Heaven/Hell. What lifestyle would lead you to each domain is another topic in itself for which i really don't have a response. My goal in writing this is not to confuse you but to hopefully provide you with an outside the box view you haven't thought of. Use your mind (and heart) and come to your own conclusions please.

[edit on 2-10-2009 by EarthFallingApart]

Originally posted by Maddogkull
You got all of this from one shaman session...??? And it was just drumming??? Look at all the shamans in the world. None talk about the NWO like you have from this experience. Even though I agree with you on alot of the matters, The NWO wasen't here forever... Look at hinduhism one of the oldest religions, the NWO defintly didnt make that. And if you do I think you should look at some history books

Hum I said I got a direct connection to the racial/collective unconscious from that one shaman journey. The old fellow there said I didn't need to come back to ask my question; that they would always answer when I asked.

And yes, the journey was just done with drumming.

And yes, the NWO has been here since nearly the beginning of humanity's sentience. The greys brought them here to manage us because they simply couldn't. We were too rowdy and sneaky. So that means the NWO bunch aka Illuminiti aka Jue-sah (now mostly reincarnated as jews) aka a bunch of other organizations throughout our history, have been here long before ANY religion was created.

They were the ones to figure out that religion was the way to get a handle on us slippery humans. And Hinduism is a bit unique in that the leadership of the destroyed world where all the 'east indian' spirits came from, sketched out the basic form they thought their people would be best controlled by and the NWO helped them hone it to make it more effective, so the heavy paw print of the NWO is still quite visible in that religion, but it does have some rather unique aspects as well, coming as it does from their leadership.

And OF COURSE you aren't going to read any of this in the 'history' books. Do you think the NWO or any of the leaders of various ex-alien spirits are going to out right say, "hey we designed this religion to control you"?? Don't think so. And all of this information is part of why the NWO bunch doesn't want us humans accessing our racial unconscious or the spirit realm in a conscious way. Any who do are treated like nutcases and called liars and for sure they don't get 'covered' by any media.

In the past, if you managed to access this stuff, you were called a witch or evil/of the devil and either ostracized or burned at the stake or any other number of not very pleasant ways to die. The NWO is dead serious about keeping us from our spiritual heritage and awareness. They have too much to lose if enough of us find out the truth before they can get us enslaved.

Originally posted by PSUSA
reply to post by DragonriderGal

 

Ok, so now heaven and hell. They created those concepts as control tools to keep people acting the way they want them to act, period. If you act 'right', you get to go to heaven; and always coincidentally what is 'right' is defined by the priests and dogma of the 'religion' and everyone else must have 'faith' that their priests and dogma is telling them the truth about stuff, and are never allowed to question the information even if it seems counter-intuitive.

And of course Hell was created as a reason to always want to do right so you don't end up going there 'for eternity!'

I agree with you, and I am a Christian. Some call me a heretic or worse, though.

What the churches teach and what scriptures teach are 2 very different things.

The word "hell" is not a valid translation of any word in scripture. Neither is the word "eternal". Keeping these mistranslations in the Bible is a conspiracy, because these "theologians" know better.

It's not my site, but he explains it better than I can. bible-truths.com...

Todays religion is all about control. And with control comes money. Lots and lots of money.

Oh I am sure you take your knocks from most adherents of christianity! How dare you think outside the priest/minister/bishop defined box!?!

And I have heard that before about hell not being in the bible although I hadn't heard about the shakiness of 'eternal'.

Unfortunately, though, what I see quite clearly is that the bible itself was written as the primary control tool of christianity. It very much defines what it is proper to believe as the 'truth' path to 'god' and that you should believe that version and no other, and all that other crap.

And having enough 'faith' is a huge part of keeping any adherent from asking questions that needless to say have NO answers except because who ever wrote the bible said it was so; and hence the assumption can be safely made that it somehow more effectively controls and manipulates you.*shakes head*

And of course, there are various factions in the NWO, and they vie among themselves to get the larger part of the followers to support them; for, as you so aptly note, more money, but don't forget the power they get, too. That is a complete addiction for this slimy bunch.

[edit on 2-10-2009 by DragonriderGal]

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And I have heard that before about hell not being in the bible although I hadn't heard about the shakiness of 'eternal'.

It's shaky to the point of being completely bogus.

Unfortunately, though, what I see quite clearly is that the bible itself was written as the primary control tool of christianity.

That I don't agree with. It is the difference between what is written and what is taught.

But I do agree with you if you speak of how it is practiced by the vast majority. They know about the "great apostasy" but they can't see it, because they are a part of it.

This is really difficult to out into words, but I'll try.
I knew what I was being taught, going back to when I was a kid, was wrong.
They could not even agree what it took to be "saved". Then, we get into the whole nature of God. THey said "God loves you". Yeah, right up until the nanosecond you died. Then he tortured you forever for one sin because you don't have the right beliefs, never mind those that have never even heard of Christ. "Christians" never account for THOSE people. They just chuck them into "hell" with the rest.

But I didn't know what the right answers were.

I had faith that I would know what the answers were, in time. The ironic thing was that the answers were right in front of me the whole time. It's a curious form of blindness that kept me from seeing it. It also keeps others from seeing it. Try and show it to them and my they get pissed!

Christianity today is sick beyond words. That is why I don't get into fights with those that can't stand it, or get into religious arguments at all. I understand where they are coming from, and arguing solves nothing.

What I can't reconcile is the differences between the OT and NT God. The "jews" seemed to have treated their OT god like the NT "christians" treat their NT god. Neither is the God of love and mercy. They say it but they don't mean it.

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"And the NWO has been sooo sucessful at spinning 'peace' and 'love' as the only 'true' indicators of spiritual 'superoritiy' that it has almost been accepted as TRUTH. Of course since they are creating all the new religious or spiritual movements, or infiltrating and corrupting any new one they didn't invent, it is easy to see why that distortion of spiritual advancement has been consistant across the millinia."


What are you trying to say here? That We Can't believe in peace and love? I Love the post tho. . .Good Job

rehab

Originally posted by EarthFallingApart
Hi guys, I'm hoping to just jump right in here and throw you guys a curve ball to wrap your minds around, hopefully making you think, possibly coming back with replies that would help further others thoughts including myself.

People say that there's a physical plain and an astral plain. We live in the physical plain and our soul resides in the astral.

I would call it the spirit realm, myself. And of course there is the higher plane which a part of that.

Combined with that is the idea that there are different densities (from low to high) in each plain or in other words dimensions. Some believe that lower density represents negative vibration and in the higher densities it becomes light.

Personally I can't get onboard with that whole 'density' thing. It seems another way to put value judgements on the spirit realm and the various levels thereof so some of these manipulating aliens can pretend to be all that and a bag of chips!. Ohh.. look! That being must be soooo wonderful because they are a higher 'density'. Nope. Isn't true. We are all the same density, albeit, some of us are denser mentally.

What if our soul would return to the astral plane vibrating like it was in the physical plain. Negative souls would go to the lower densities and positive to higher?

Now you have a pool of negative souls, and positive souls. From here you can tell it's starting to resemble Heaven/Hell without the clouds or fire.

We all go to the spirit realm in between lives, but as I have said, if you weren't a nice sort, you have a bit of spirit karma waiting right outside death's door in the form of all the unhappy spirits waiting and grabbing on to you to share their pain from how you treated them. Now that is like being skinned alive and boiled in oil over and over again if you were really mean, which makes Hell seem kinda real for those who have to go thru it, but it certainly doesn't last forever; only as long as it takes for the other spirits to be sure you understand how much what you did hurt.

On top of this is the thought that outside our bodies and the physical plane, there is no concept of time, everything just IS. Therefore what we consider an eternity is just existing there.Past, present, future just are so that encompasses all time.....eternity.

Out there is no time, true, but it is a bit further out there than we typically go when we are just passing on to the next life. It is sort of like a set of moving belt ways. The closer in you are, the more time has an impact. If you get out to where your highest self is, there isn't any time, but I don't think most of us can hang in that kind of place, fresh out of a body. A 'too much all at once' sort of thing.

Do i believe you're stuck where you end up.... no, but it would come by raising your vibrations.

But it is a good theory! And raising the vibrations gets you ready to make full enlightenment, very necessary, but not really involved in reincarnating.

All stories have some truth to them. I personally think over time the story has changed to make "Heaven/Hell" much more glorious/sinister. Again think about it, these stories are coming from people who thought the earth was flat and was the center of the universe. Shouldn't we rethink Heaven/Hell in modern term with more evolved knowledge?

From what I see, the NWO invented entirely the concepts, honing them over time to be as effective as possible. Once the printing press was invented and everybody could read for themselves, the NWO bunch had to start manipulating the interpretations because the bible was pretty set in stone after that.

My usual disclaimer:
I don't claim anything above to be the absolute truth. It's just my opinion on the given topic of Heaven/Hell. What lifestyle would lead you to each domain is another topic in itself for which i really don't have a response. My goal in writing this is not to confuse you but to hopefully provide you with an outside the box view you haven't thought of. Use your mind (and heart) and come to your own conclusions please.

[edit on 2-10-2009 by EarthFallingApart]

I appreciate your taking the time to respond and certainly yours is well thought out and very plausible! I don't see it in the racial/collective unconscious though. The reasons I see are much more intentional and very much backed by the NWO in their efforts to enslave us. But thank you for your thoughts on this.


[edit on 2-10-2009 by DragonriderGal]

Originally posted by ReHaBzWuRdZ
reply to post by DragonriderGal

 

"And the NWO has been sooo sucessful at spinning 'peace' and 'love' as the only 'true' indicators of spiritual 'superoritiy' that it has almost been accepted as TRUTH. Of course since they are creating all the new religious or spiritual movements, or infiltrating and corrupting any new one they didn't invent, it is easy to see why that distortion of spiritual advancement has been consistant across the millinia."


What are you trying to say here? That We Can't believe in peace and love? I Love the post tho. . .Good Job

rehab

Thanks!

Sure we can believe in peace and love but we also can use our anger, or sadness or any other of our emotions.

The key is to be authentic. The real and full self. That means any overreactivity in the forms of shame or rage or guilt or fear left from childhood abuse is healed, any scars left from past lives are healed (luckily usually healing the traumas in this life will do that but knowing it is a past life issue can make it go more quickly I've found), and you are, in the moment, who you truly are. The best and fullest self possible.

Now you DON'T hear that anywhere, do you?? Of course not. Because that is how you go about making full enlightenment, and the NWO loses you. You will never be enslave-able after that.

[edit on 2-10-2009 by DragonriderGal]

Originally posted by PSUSA
That I don't agree with. It is the difference between what is written and what is taught.

But I do agree with you if you speak of how it is practiced by the vast majority. They know about the "great apostasy" but they can't see it, because they are a part of it.

This is really difficult to out into words, but I'll try.
I knew what I was being taught, going back to when I was a kid, was wrong.
They could not even agree what it took to be "saved". Then, we get into the whole nature of God. THey said "God loves you". Yeah, right up until the nanosecond you died. Then he tortured you forever for one sin because you don't have the right beliefs, never mind those that have never even heard of Christ. "Christians" never account for THOSE people. They just chuck them into "hell" with the rest.

But I didn't know what the right answers were.

I had faith that I would know what the answers were, in time. The ironic thing was that the answers were right in front of me the whole time. It's a curious form of blindness that kept me from seeing it. It also keeps others from seeing it. Try and show it to them and my they get pissed!

Christianity today is sick beyond words. That is why I don't get into fights with those that can't stand it, or get into religious arguments at all. I understand where they are coming from, and arguing solves nothing.

What I can't reconcile is the differences between the OT and NT God. The "jews" seemed to have treated their OT god like the NT "christians" treat their NT god. Neither is the God of love and mercy. They say it but they don't mean it.

I can't hang with that whole faith thing now that I have experienced the 'knowingness' of being connected to the racial/collective unconscious. I never could feel any kind of reality to 'faith'; it always felt wrong to me, as even then I probably could tell on some unconscious level that I was being manipulated.

And as I started exploring outside of that whole genre of 'religious' box thinking, I started to feel better and better about myself as I got more emotionally healthy as well.

As far as I can tell christian counseling is one of the biggest oxymorons ever to exist. How can you have any kind of personal self esteem and healing if at the very heart of your religious belief you are, from birth, SO flawed 'god' had to send his 'only son' to die so that 'god' could love you again. Sheesh. What a load of horse pucky.

That is the ultimate in codependant thinking and as per the NWO's plans, creates a bunch of doormats (that they can walk allll over without them fighting back, eh?) who never do any true personal growth work, the one true requirement for making enlightenment.

The 'rapture' is the christian head nod to us making that state, but the way the bible tells you to go about it will NEVER EVER get any christian there. They are gonna be pretty bummed out when it starts happening and they so can't do it.

And the reason you can't reconcile the OT and the NT god is because they don't belong together. That attachment of the jewish part of the 'bible' was just to make the christians feel like they were somehow obligated to the NWO bunch/ex-high priests of Israel. You can see how that works by the way the Israeli keep dragging us into their fight and had us getting them their homeland back etc etc. Ah, yah.. these guys are pros at manipulating and getting us to do what they want.


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As far as I can tell christian counseling is one of the biggest oxymorons ever to exist. How can you have any kind of personal self esteem and healing if at the very heart of your religious belief you are, from birth, SO flawed 'god' had to send his 'only son' to die so that 'god' could love you again. Sheesh. What a load of horse pucky.

It is that. It's also what they teach. It's the difference between doctrines and scriptures. They hate the scriptures because it exposes the errors of their doctrines.

Your quoted point does bring up a scripture you will never hear taught correctly in a church.

Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Look at how it is translated elsewhere in Jeremiah.
www.biblestudytools.com...

It's not wicked, it's sick, weak. But they do want you to believe you and I are wicked. We were born this way. I dont believe any of us asked for this.

And the reason you can't reconcile the OT and the NT god is because they don't belong together. That attachment of the jewish part of the 'bible' was just to make the christians feel like they were somehow obligated to the NWO bunch/ex-high priests of Israel.

I agree. Good point. They succeeded to a large extent. So-called "christian zionism" (The ULTIMATE oxymoron, IMO) is extremely popular.

I can't really identify with all of your stated beliefs, but we agree on some major points. And it's refreshing to discuss these things honestly. Doing this is rare. Really really rare. Usually discussions on religion degenerate quickly.

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Thank you for the reply. Thought about what you said. I know realize that the density analogy is not the best but I still think the spirit realm is divided. If you were good you can reincarnate "faster" for lack of a better term whereas it's a slower process for others.

The "conveyor belt" analogy is interesting but I would need to think about that, how it works, why would it be that way.

I do not agree with you on the karma however. Karma is dealt with by the universe IMO. No one soul is going to torment another to level the karmic debt. The next life will make you pay your debt and give you a chance to save some karma for the next life after that. To add to that theres 2 types of karma, the little and big. Little is laughing someones misfortunes only to get the same or worse and "big" karma (again for lack of a better term) is like if you went out and ruined somebody's life or something similar that's profound. No small occurrence is going to pay it.

I do agree whole heartedly that the NWO is using religion, more specifically Heaven/Hell, to their advantage but i still don't think they made it up from nothing. Like most things they do, they take a good idea/intention ... you name it, and then twist it to meet their agendas.

I'm sure there are people on this planet who have a great deal of knowledge on this topic yet hold it back. Even if somebody did come out claiming the truth, those are the ones you have to be the most skeptical about.

I guess we'll never really know until we go ourselves, but I say people shouldn't live in fear of burning in flames if they live a poor lifestyle, just expect a swift kick in the face for Karma,