Was Hitler Right?

Oh God...Gag me with a spoon. This pie in the sky mentality does not represent reality. But Congrats! You get a cookie from the internet community. haha

Originally posted by KSPigpen
I don't think he WAS right, my friend.

I think he was terribly misguided in his attempts to alter reality. Reality is that we are different in a lot of ways, but we all bleed red, smile when are children walk for the first time and cry when someone we love is taken away from us.

One of his many mistakes, was not embracing people of other nationalities. I seriously believe that this same mistake is being played out over and over by people that are supposed to be beyond that today.

Until we realize and embrace that we ALL have the right to be here and the right to have the same chances as someone of a different color, we will fail.

In a sense, that was his biggest mistake, as it is OURS today.

reply to post by Beausant91


Utopia literly means "Nowhere". Just thought you might like to know that....that's why "Utopia" doesn't exist and never will....literally.

"He's a real nowhere man, sitting in his nowhere land"....The Beatles

Hitler came to power in the 1930's when Germany was in dire straits. He gave the Germans belief in themselves and he was given free reign to do what he wanted. Eventually he and his countrymen came to believe they were superior to everyone else. This was a mistake.

So much was expected of him by his people he lost the plot and the whole thing caved in.

The irony is the same thing is happening with Israhell and its zionist nutcase leaders who have embarked on a path which makes Jews believe they are superior to everyone else. To prove their point they are commiting attrocities and not even realising it.

Of course this will eventually lead to the destruction of Israhell and its current politik just as the Nazis were eliminated.

Intelligent beings study history and learn from it. Obviously Jews cannot be particularly intelligent since they have learned nothing from Germany's history. They appear even worse as they have been given so much help and support by other countries, unlike Germany which got no help from anybody, and yet still they murder the goyim.

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I'm sorry, but terms like "Israhell" and the ever-present "zionist" hate speech (which is essentially a thinly veiled form of anti-semitism IMHO) fall into conflict with this:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I am not Jewish, neither in ancestry or religion. However, of all the various issues here on ATS that get drug around until there's scarcely a corpse left to bury, the anti-semitism hiding behind the near constant harping against "Zionism" around here is a real turn off. I know it's been hashed out time after time, but it really does seem to be the #1 issue which the site as a whole just looks the other way on as far as enforcement of the rules goes.

Imagine for just a minute if someone started calling Iranians "No-Brainians" or harped incessantly on the "Mexicanization" of America, comparing it to all manner of unsavoryness.

Furthermore, THIS comment:

Originally posted by bigyin
Obviously Jews cannot be particularly intelligent since they have learned nothing from Germany's history. They appear even worse as they have been given so much help and support by other countries, unlike Germany which got no help from anybody, and yet still they murder the goyim.

is flat out, unadulterated racism and is possibly the dumbest comment I've ever read on ATS (and I've seen some real doozies) EDIT TO SAY: Noticing someone starred your post I have to digress... your comment was the second dumbest thing I've ever seen on ATS. At least the original comment could have been a form of free flow thought, unedited and posted as it came to the poster... the fact that somebody had the abillity and the chance to read and then re-read and fully digest the comment... and STILL starred it trumps the stupidity of the original comment entirely.

Thumbs down to you, you get no cookie!


[edit on 22-9-2009 by burdman30ott6]

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Really, well it was the OP who mentioned Hitler and anti semitism in the first sentence.

I have said it is ironic that imo the two are so similar.

I make no apology for disliking the current politik of Israel, which I understand is the same for many Jews who can't stand it.

A bit like many Germans did not agree with Hitler but got dragged along in any case.

Originally posted by bigyin
Hitler came to power in the 1930's when Germany was in dire straits. He gave the Germans belief in themselves and he was given free reign to do what he wanted. Eventually he and his countrymen came to believe they were superior to everyone else. This was a mistake.

So much was expected of him by his people he lost the plot and the whole thing caved in.

The irony is the same thing is happening with Israhell and its zionist nutcase leaders who have embarked on a path which makes Jews believe they are superior to everyone else. To prove their point they are commiting attrocities and not even realising it.

Of course this will eventually lead to the destruction of Israhell and its current politik just as the Nazis were eliminated.

Intelligent beings study history and learn from it. Obviously Jews cannot be particularly intelligent since they have learned nothing from Germany's history. They appear even worse as they have been given so much help and support by other countries, unlike Germany which got no help from anybody, and yet still they murder the goyim.

Germany got no help? They would of gotten no where with out support from the zionists. They funded 50% of their rise to power. Hitler was half Jewish on the side that counts...his mother's making him...a Jew.

Israel could never of come into being without the Germans. This was the purpose of their actions. Without the sympathy generated over the jews detainment in ww2, Israel would not exist today. The jews were only a small number compared to the rest who died. They just get all of the attention. They make real nice violins....magic some would say.

Besides, it was prophesied that none of that generation would enter the promised land and they didn't, instead they fertilized the fields.

This plan started in the late 1880's and came to fruition in 1948. Jews owe the state they have to the Germans and their brother Hitler. HITLER WAS A JEW....don't be fooled.

Same story today, it NEVER changes...why do you think so many Mossad were arrested on NINE ELEVEN?

P.S. I have nothing against Jews, Semites, or Arabs. But crappy leaders are crappy leaders regardless. People are people. The two are never connected.

Peace

[edit on 22-9-2009 by letthereaderunderstand]

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...So because the OP was an idiot that gave you license to be a mean spirited ass against the same target he seemed to choose by creating this thread? Yeah, that makes perfect sense. I'd also say that you went a whole lot further than just ragging on the Jews that support the current "politik" in Israel.

Reply to post by Beausant91

He was terribly wrong. There is no Supermen, we are ALL just human.


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reply to post by Beausant91


I think mentally challenged and retarded people are some of the most beautiful people on the planet, and I embrace them and they add great value, by teaching adults how to continue to love as children do, and how to retain that certain childlike wonder, even as we age.

So no, let evolution takes its own course I say.

Hitler was just a sick sick man, with a lot of energy, and even some creative geniuos, if only it was directed in other areas..

He was WRONG.

Originally posted by KSPigpen
I don't think he WAS right, my friend.

I think he was terribly misguided in his attempts to alter reality. Reality is that we are different in a lot of ways, but we all bleed red, smile when are children walk for the first time and cry when someone we love is taken away from us.

One of his many mistakes, was not embracing people of other nationalities. I seriously believe that this same mistake is being played out over and over by people that are supposed to be beyond that today.

Until we realize and embrace that we ALL have the right to be here and the right to have the same chances as someone of a different color, we will fail.

In a sense, that was his biggest mistake, as it is OURS today.

Here here. Star for you.

Hear, hear? lol whichever

[edit on 22-9-2009 by mkross1983]

I would not be surprised if there was some facility somewhere deep in the ground where gene splicing and dna fixing is going on in order to create so called superhumans or perhaps humans created for specific tasks.

I think everyone is having issues getting past the "hitler" part of the OP and going directly after that. If I remove the name and the evil parts of his plans. I am left with a program promoting one specific human type, arian.

The problem is, there is no data to suggest that human type is superior or any for that matter.

With that in mind, perhaps the OP was suggesting something more of personal or individual basis. A collection of incredibly smart humans who happen to be in top physical condition and are also lucky enough to have perfectly symetrical features.

Remove them from the day to day grind the rest of us live in and encourage them to excel in every way. Would they advance the human race at all? Or just become a unproductive experiment.

For some reason this sounds an awful lot like a movie............

The weird thing is, he wasn't even close to being his Aryan blonde hair blue eyes anyway.

The Aryan people live in Pakistan and middle eastern countries, he was very confused.

He meant, the Germans who descended from the Aryan people deserved everything.

He was simply a power hungry man. I doubt he really cared about race.

reply to post by burdman30ott6

I was stating that I believed the OP was wholeheartedly incorrect in even presuming that we could "evolve faster and with better results" in the absence of morals. Morality, while subjective, is still the ultimate foundation by which any evolutionary advancement we might make must be built upon. Otherwise, I would argue that any dissolution of morality constitutes a regression, or de-evolutionary regression... as it is our abillity to tell the difference between right and wrong, demonstrate empathy, and exhibit an understanding of cause and effect which ultimately separates us from young children and mental defectives. This is why we have set standards for culpabillity in issues of crimes. As Crakeur already stated, if you remove the morality from the issue you suddenly tread down a slippery slope of seeing the "genius" of Charles Manson. Remove a man's morality and you don't get "evolutionary advancement" you get a man who displays psychotic tendencies and uses that lack of morality to justify their misdeeds.

Very well stated. I would also like to say morality does not necessarily have anything to do with religion. The most honest moral man I know is an atheist born and brought up by atheists. Unfortunately those with narrow religious views are completely baffled by the idea of an "atheist" having a high moral code. Hitler by the way was a church going, nonsmoking vegetarian if I recall correctly.

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I would not be surprised if there was some facility somewhere deep in the ground where gene splicing and dna fixing is going on in order to create so called superhumans or perhaps humans created for specific tasks.

If not yet then SOON. All the facts are there to support the possibility and we already know our government has no morals.

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I don't wish to be accused of being off topic, but I'd like to respond to those who call me racist.

My views for the record:

I don't consider myself racist. I have nothing against any colour or religion or race.

I do criticise political thinking that results in unfair treatment of other people.

Hence I critice zionism which is not a race or a religion... it's a political movement WIKI

I don't think anybody can be called racist for arguing against a political movement. Correct me if I'm wrong.

If anything I actually feel sorry for Jews, who imo are being used by zionists.

Some of my wifes family were Jewish. My son would pass for one if you could see him.

Thats not really the point.

The OP asked about Hitler, who was head of a political movement. Nothing to do with race or religion. He brought all that stuff in later for whatever reason I don't know.

Although my father fought the Germans in WW2 and my grand father fought them in WW2 and WW1 with scars to prove it, it was Hitlers politics they were fighting, not the German people.

Today I don't hate Germans, but I agree that Hitler was wrong and probably most Germans now would agree with that. If they could turn back the clock they wouldn't want Hitler and what he dragged them into.

I'm saying that imo the zionists in Israel are going to do the same for the Jews. At some point in the future Jews will throw zionism out and wish they had never let them carry out their attrocities as they are doing.

I just find it strange that Jews who have been through all the Nazi experience would even contemplate allowing their government to carry out such deeds on their behalf.

I think the tide is turning slowly now and change may come soon. For the Jews sake I hope it does.

I want to mention some other situations I am reminded of by Hitler. How about Aparthied as happened in South Africa. The SA government were completly isolated for years because in their opinion Whites were a superior race to Blacks. So Blacks were pushed out of their homes and areas to live in Ghettos. Nelson Mandela was locked up. Eventually though the regime was turfed out and fair treatment for all was brought in.

I wonder if I will be accused of racism for talking about White South Africans and cheering that their White Supremacy has been defeated.

I doubt it.... but say anything at all negative about anything Jewish and expect to be shot down in flames.

My wife is English, I am Scottish. I don't hate English people, but I dont forget that English rulers drove thousands of Scots off their lands and even sent them overseas to Canada / America, just so they could grase sheep on the land instead. I can discuss the Highland clearances and how wrong the English were without being accused of being racist. But mention a Palestinian being driven from his land and now your an anti semite.

What about Slavery in America. White supremacy again. Completely wrong. Can be discussed researched criticised with fear of being racist. Just don't mention Jews attitude to the 'goyim' as they call us non Jews.

Theres loads of others.

Check my other posts and you will find I am usually for the underdog, the group that are being bashed by the big bully.

Israel should own up to the War Crimes a stated by the UN and seen by the rest of us on TV.
Israel should give the Palestinians their land back with compensation

Hitlers legacy was that Germans acknowledged they were wrong, not superior, paid reparations, gave up territory, were demilitarised, and their political leaders went to jail.

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B91, there will never be consensus on what constitutes a “Superman”. The few that have tried to impose their individual interpretations of this theme have failed both through their own imperfections and pressure from the masses. Hitler and his henchmen were prime examples. Although they had many similar thoughts, they varied enough so that their points of disagreement helped bring down their master plan.

Thinking along these lines has been with us from what would seem the beginnings of recorded history. The Jewish tradition itself is not without this thread as the term “God’s chosen people” is evidence. In that case the exclusive thoughts were for tribal survival and not necessarily human perfection but the belief that they were a better people allowed otherwise monstrous acts to be permitted by the Jews. (Of course the Jews are just one example of this tribal behavior.) The Old Testament stories are rife with violence toward and destruction of other tribes based on G_d’s blessings and instructions. If we could for a moment put aside any belief that a deity provided those monstrous instructions we could imagine that man’s hubris was at their heart. I mention the Jews here in that they are intimately tied to this thread. The fact is this “Superman” thinking is all around us today.

For instance Castro, who has systematically purged Cuba of most of its diverse thinkers over the course of 50+ years. At least those thinkers that are or were inclined to opine openly. Is this not also a holocaust in the sense of a human cleansing? And yet it is never described that way in that we’ve been desensitized by the media to accept the loss of hundreds of thousands of lives over the course of 50 years. Whereas Hitler was seemingly on the fast track. The world was forced to see humans in piles during and after WWII. We never got those images out of Cuba although it would be hard to imagine that they didn’t occur.

Another case would be any current US politician elected to serve his constituents that once elected goes his own way despite their protests. Why? The typical response is that “I know better than those that elected me what’s best for them”. A very “Superman” like attitude but that was never mentioned during his or her campaign. We can imagine the response to a campaign of “Vote for me because you don’t know what is best for you.” Throw out the names of those elected at random and you will quickly find examples of these elitists.

We have many examples from the natural world that indicate diversity is an important part of the survival of species. Does diverse thinking fall into the category of a plus for humankind? I’m not smart enough to offer much more than a guess at that and my guess is yes it is.

Some might say that mercy and acceptance of those not as physically or mentally gifted as we are is just an emotional response nurtured by our group morality. That morality might have formed when there were far fewer of us and we all benefitted from not beating each other to death but instead joined for protection and the common good. One thing is certain and that is diversity once lost is never fully regained.

We could imagine that if Hitler was immortal, he would have succeeded in time. When all dissention at some point was eliminated he would have come to the realization that no one is perfect and that the universe is a lonely place. I can envision he would have become like the Biblical God needing to create beings in his likeness, a “chosen people” in order to share his visions of perfection. These visions “paradise”. And so the “great circle jerk” goes around once more, God creating man becoming God creating man ad infinitum. Perfection and purity of body and mind never gained by a living Hitler but for the infinite nothingness achieved with but never experienced in death.

No, he was wrong.

I'm dragging this old thread up to give it a definitive answer: No, Hitler was not right - although I do understand why he wanted to play God - many of us do, most of us know that it IS just a game.

As for how to create the perfect being. It is being done right now. It is being created. It happens in stages over a long long time. It's called evolution and you are the result. And get this, you are not the end result. The end result will be a creature that is perfectly adapted to his environment, and since the environment constantly changes, so will you and all generations of your species to come.

The real question here is, have we as a species decided that nature's plan to create the perfect creature, have we decided that we are not perfect enough?

All of this talk about creating superbeings is comic book talk to me. Beings are only ever a product of their environment, because thats all they ever need to be. Somewhere in some distant universe there will be a race of super tall, super strong beings, but they will have got like that because they needed to be in order to survive their environment.

What I'm trying to say that our destiny is our destiny. The strongest will survive and prosper by process of natural selection. If humans arent happy with that, then what they wish to create is NOT the perfect being, but a perversion of what they percieve a perfect being to be. Nature has already decided and selected what that being is, and it has'nt even finished its work yet, and we're (seemingly) fitting to disagree with nature's plan?

Thats only going to end in tears. You can only ever be the product of the environment you were created in. Thats the deal. If you want any more than that you have to adapt by artificial means, since you are seeking to exist in environments that are artificial to you.

There are superhumans, but its not a minority group, its all of us

"Hitler had the right idea, he was just an underachiever! Kill 'em all! Blacks, Jews, Whites, Hispanics..." - Bill Hicks in a rage after being heckled all night.

I actually think that in a sense, there is the possibility that there are humans more superior to others... But not in a blind nationalistic sense. I'm not saying that white people/non-handicapped people/etc. are better than anyone else.
Look at nature and how it's evolved. Look at us and how we've evolved. Look at the concept of natural selection. Only the creatures capable of survival live on, and the characteristics that helped them live are passed onto their young. Meanwhile, some creatures with less desirable characteristics don't necessarily get the chance to live as others do, it's just the way our cards are dealt.

No.

He was a madman and his racial theories are complete mumbo-jumbo. End of story.