Jedi religion founder accuses Tesco of discrimination over rules on hoods

point is religion dosent matter when the camera must get a good shot of your face that the hood you wear is blocking.

The hoodie debate and controversy in the UK is one of the silliest things I have ever read about.

Sweatshirts with hoods? Really?

You have to admit that it sounds little strange.

since we are having this discussion, I'm going to enter some valid questions, by the standard of this thread anyway.

Many people see ANY religion as pretty strange.

How is THAT fictional sect any different from what we would perceive as someone else's fictional sect?

We have lots of folks with lots of different religions and a good deal of them think that the others are a load of hooey.

I've often thought I should make up a religion where Monday is my 'holy day' and I'm not allowed to go to work.

Why would I not be able to do this and have modern society cater to MY religion as much as they do anyone else's?

I think when we bend laws, or rules, or guidelines for people based on their religions, we run in to all sorts of potential discrimination.

The Jedi religion seems 'silly' to me, but my conflaguration of beliefs would undoubtedly seem silly to others as well. If someone from a different religion is allowed to keep themselves covered, why shouldn't he?

Originally posted by KSPigpen

How is THAT fictional sect any different from what we would perceive as someone else's fictional sect?

I kind of look at it this way. As far as the major Abrahamic religions go, they are largely unfalsifiable (given most of the stories are more than 2000 years old). As unlikely as some of it may be, it is afforded the benefit of doubt. We cannot prove or disprove many things.

Whereas with this Jedi Cult, we know beyond a shadow of doubt that it's based on simple Hollywood Entertainment, i.e a movie. If people want to create a religion based on that, they should expect that most people simply aren't going to take them seriously. Like it or not, that's the reality of the situation.

Ohh.. I forgot... these guys think their Jedi's. I guess their grip on reality isn't that great after all.

IRM

Originally posted by InfaRedMan
Ohh.. I forgot... these guys think their Jedi's. I guess their grip on reality isn't that great after all.

Well... I run around with swords and a crown

Hey long time no see... thought you were abducted

Originally posted by InfaRedMan

Originally posted by KSPigpen

How is THAT fictional sect any different from what we would perceive as someone else's fictional sect?

I kind of look at it this way. As far as the major Abrahamic religions go, they are largely unfalsifiable (given most of the stories are more than 2000 years old). As unlikely as some of it may be, it is afforded the benefit of doubt. We cannot prove or disprove many things.

Whereas with this Jedi Cult, we know beyond a shadow of doubt that it's based on simple Hollywood Entertainment, i.e a movie. If people want to create a religion based on that, they should expect that most people simply aren't going to take them seriously. Like it or not, that's the reality of the situation.

Ohh.. I forgot... these guys think their Jedi's. I guess their grip on reality isn't that great after all.

IRM

we can also potentially say that christians and muslims don't have a grip on reality for believing in deities.

I could say right now that we were created 5 minutes ago with all the memories we have at this moment, and we believe we have existed for many years. I could say everything came to existence as it is at this moment by the goddess of logic. This, too, is an unfalsifiable claim that cannot be proven or refuted, like all other religions. so those who base their beliefs on the jedi religion can claim that George Lucas was inspired by the force to pass truth through the movies instead of a book.

for example, in this thread we can make as much fun of the Jedi religion as we want, but if we do that with buddhism, taoism, islam, etc we would be accused of breaking the rules of civility and decorum in ATS. isn't that double standards?

Originally posted by Maddogkull
Wow....People are actually apart of that?? Who do they pray to....yoda?

They pray to/acknowledge "The Force" and concentrate on the good side of it to increase its magnitude.

Not that I would know anything about the Force - My Bible is a Klingon translation.

[edit on 19-9-2009 by ..5..]

reply to post by newworld


That was exactly my point.

Even though we have had thousands of years of history with other religions, they all had to start somehwere and do we not discriminate if we don't allow freedom to worship and observe and carry oneself in accordance with their religion.

(it really makes me think of the Church of the Fonz on Family Guy, but that's not the point)

Seems to me, like it should be an all or nothing type deal. We embrace, fully and equally all current and future religions, and afford them equal treatment, or we allow NONE to be expressed outside of the home, or the place of worship. It doesn't seem right to allow a few really old religions special privilege simply because they have been around a long time.

Seems sort of hypocritical to me. Not everyone believes in Abraham, or Allah, or Jesus, or Buddha or whichever other deity might be worshiped by any group of the population of the planet.

I just think the practices should be fair all the way across the board is all.

(I only like dreaming...all the day long...when no one is screaming...Be Good Be Good! - Men at Work)

[edit on 19-9-2009 by KSPigpen]

Originally posted by zorgon
Well I see a problem with this....

How long does it take to become a Jedi Knight? And more to the point how long does it take to become a Master that can then teach?

They must all be Padawans... unless a Master came from somewhere else...

Who was the first in the Order and how did he/she get qualified?

If he's a Master, I at least want to see him levitate a pineapple using the force.
Most Padawans I know can at least do that .

Originally posted by newworld
I could say right now that we were created 5 minutes ago with all the memories we have at this moment, and we believe we have existed for many years.

Don't drop that one on me at such a late hour; now I'm freaking out. Oh, well, better go watch Fight Club...

reply to post by paraphi


I wonder if he had to register his light sword as a weapon?

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by InfaRedMan
Ohh.. I forgot... these guys think their Jedi's. I guess their grip on reality isn't that great after all.

Well... I run around with swords and a crown

Hey long time no see... thought you were abducted

LOL! Respect for history and reenactments are a bit different Z. I respect what you do!

I was abducted... by my work

IRM

Originally posted by newworld
we can also potentially say that christians and muslims don't have a grip on reality for believing in deities.

Don't get me wrong. I completely understand what you're saying.

I could say right now that we were created 5 minutes ago with all the memories we have at this moment, and we believe we have existed for many years. I could say everything came to existence as it is at this moment by the goddess of logic.

Yes you could... Not very probable though!

This, too, is an unfalsifiable claim that cannot be proven or refuted, like all other religions.

Sure but anything that is unfalsifiable doesn't by it's very nature make it true until proven otherwise.

so those who base their beliefs on the jedi religion can claim that George Lucas was inspired by the force to pass truth through the movies instead of a book.

Yes, they can claim that. We can claim anything we like... but that's all they are claims. Unfortunately they have little to do with reality.

for example, in this thread we can make as much fun of the Jedi religion as we want, but if we do that with buddhism, taoism, islam, etc we would be accused of breaking the rules of civility and decorum in ATS. isn't that double standards?

Let's not get confused here, Jedi is not a religion.

IRM

Originally posted by thomasblackraven

Originally posted by newworld
I could say right now that we were created 5 minutes ago with all the memories we have at this moment, and we believe we have existed for many years.

Don't drop that one on me at such a late hour; now I'm freaking out. Oh, well, better go watch Fight Club...

"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one" Albert Einstein

Originally posted by mmiichael
What kind of person over 15 bases their beliefs on a Hollywood movie?

It's no worse than basing your beliefs on the writings of an egotistical science fiction writer, but there seem to be an awful lot of scientologists around (although things seem to be very quiet on that front at the moment).

if he was a real jedi, he coulda just sliced them in half with a lightsabre. just sayin

reply to post by paraphi


If you come to the door of the hotel and are wearing a hood of any type or have your face coverd in any fashion, you will not come in. Period. It is a security risk for obvious reasons. Just because you are wearing a burka does not mean you are not a robber, same is true if you are wearing a hoodie. It is not discrimination.

Originally posted by paraphi

Jedi religion founder accuses Tesco of discrimination over rules on hoods

www.guardian.co.uk

Daniel Jones says he was humiliated and victimised for his beliefs following incident at store in Wales.

Tesco has been accused of religious discrimination after the company ordered the founder of a Jedi religion to remove his hood or leave a branch of the supermarket in north Wales.

Daniel Jones, founder of the religion inspired by the Star Wars films, says he was humiliated and victimised for his beliefs following the incident at a Tesco store in Bangor.

The 23-year-old, who founded

(visit the link for the full news article)

What a moron!

Tesco should just ban this pillock from their stores, problem solved.

Originally posted by YourForever
You have to understand that in Britain anything Muslims want to wear or say is permitted. The Gov bends over backwards for them. We must conform to very strict rules on passport/ID photos, while they can wear burkhas meaning that only their eyes are photographed.

It is good that people are pushing back against the system, making a point however humorous about our rediculous double standards.

Nonsense. Misinformed, biggoted drivel.

Originally posted by ROBL240
Tesco are there to SERVE the people, not to tell them to conform to social norms. They are a customer based retail outlet and as such should be mindful of individuality.
Just another ploy by Tesco (who btw give 1/4 of their profits to the UK Government aswell as Tax increases) to brainwash the general public into conformism by destroying the culture of towns and villages, building over green-land sites and then shifting the population around with other stores using "price wars" as a means of population control methods.

Actually, its just a little boy trying to make a point.

Tesco are like any other business - free to decide the rules for themselves. They're big enough not to care what children who play silly games like his think.