all self proclaimed aliens report in

Originally posted by TarzanBeta
reply to post by WitnessFromAfar

 

Firstly, you assume that any "aliens" must travel from a different galaxy. Secondly, you assume that the designations or "types" of civilizations are reality. Based on this assumption, I'm surprised that you are willing to believe that we have only the technology that you know about and that we are not much more advanced - meaning, that certain organizations in the world haven't already developed these "type 1" and "type 2" technologies!

As open minded as you seem, you are quite narrow I think!

I think the problem here is that you are not familiar with the categorizing of civilization types I was referring to.

No big deal, easy misunderstanding.

I was talking about the Kardashev scale:
en.wikipedia.org...

* Type I — a civilization that is able to harness all of the power available on a single planet — has approximately 1016 or 1017 W available.[2] Earth specifically has an available power of 1.74 × 1017 W (174 petawatts, see Earth's energy budget). Kardashev's original definition was 4 × 1012 W — a "technological level close to the level presently attained on earth" (presently meaning 1964).[3]
* Type II — a civilization that is able to harness all of the power available from a single star, approximately 4 × 1026 W.[2] Again, this figure is variable; the Sun outputs approximately 3.86 × 1026 W. Kardashev's original definition was also 4 × 1026 W.[3]
* Type III — a civilization that is able to harness all of the power available from a single galaxy, approximately 4 × 1037 W.[2] This figure is extremely variable, since galaxies vary widely in size; the stated figure is the approximate power output of the Milky Way. Kardashev's original definition was also 4 × 1037 W.[3]


Humans are currently not even a Type 1 civilization, and the amount of energy required to travel to another star is currently beyond our ability to manipulate.

Here is Michio Kaku discussing this:



When measuring the distance from one star to the next, and calculating light speed 186,000 mps, it still takes over 4 years to get from Sol to Alpha Centauri.

And it takes a long time for a species to develop Type 1 status, to be able to have enough energy available to make the trip...

Don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying it's impossible to do, just impossible for a species that's not say about 1000 years ahead of current human technology.

The universe (as we currently understand it) is old enough for many species to have arisen (and even fallen) on other worlds before the Earth ever even formed.

So yes, while I admit it's a guess, I DO guess that an encountered species (one traveling here to Earth) would necessarily be an older species than Humanity. I may be wrong, but I think it's an informed guess that has a high probability of being accurate.

-WFA

I'll take a crack at this.

I am a self proclaimed ALIEN to use your word, but allow me to clarify myself.

I've never posted a thread on here claiming to be an alien, so I know that I am not what you really want, but I will reply nonetheless. I am an earthling, and so in that sense I am not an alien. But I am spiritual in that I believe I have a soul. I also believe other things that other people do not believe in, such as conspiracies, alternative history, metaphysics, etc. In that sense, I am specifically ALIEN to the universe, just as the universe is ALIEN to my true SELF. Even the physical individual self that I am contained in is still ALIEN to my true nature, my soul.

So in a way I am not an alien, in the same way that a UFO does not necessarily mean a flying sauce but simply an "unidentified flying object"

But I am an alien in the sense that my true nature is ALIEN to the universe. And in a way, this is how it is for everyone. Everyone's soul is immaterial compared to the alien material universe. However, I know that my soul is as such, whereas others either do not know this or do not share this information with others.

reply to post by WitnessFromAfar


Hmmm, I am warming to your line of investigation but i am not sure what it will prove, nevertheless true to form i will endeavor to answer your questions without actually releasing to the world the final UFT which of course would include life and consciousness.
I must also remember to write as clearly as i can, so as to avoid distractions over spelling and punctuation, i am a bit grumpy these days and so i tend to snap at the puppies that choose to berate me for such.
Ok lets get into the physics of this magical realm in which we find ourselves independant yet connected/isolated yet entangled.
Yes i am saying that E/M and photons in relativity is correct, the rest was wrong and has since been modified many times to become the standard model.
The standard model, even though it has evolved many times, still cannot be reconciled with quantum mechanics.
Einstein produced many UFT papers in his lifetime, the papers of importance to us (ATS people) are those issued in 1923/26/28.
These papers were released in Germany, they were picked up and modified by Hilgenberg and Krafft, who based their modifications on original Maxwell Quadratic equations, Whittaker wave relationships, Tesla dynamic UFT.
Practical experimentation was carried out by characters like Walter Gerlach,Using methodologies taken from Gabriel Kron.
The object i am refering to is the infamous "Die Glocke", or the bell.
Now lets move to Neutrinos and their chameleon like tendancies, some-how neutrinos oscillate through their 3 flavors, Tau, Muon and Electron at will.
I would be inclined to use Neutrinos in a quantum computer, if the implication of the multiverse being a massively parallel sub-atomic neural net hasn't already blown my circuits!
Gravity, i would contend that the source of gravity is not in this dimension, what we know as Gravity is the effect of the interaction with a higher dimension.This in a way ties in to pushing/pulling in that the multiverse seeks a state of Equilibrium.
An intense magnetic field will overwhelm organic matter and decohere bonds (depending on field strength) at cellular, molecular and atomic levels.
Now i know you have a powerfull microscope,and are probably working at the cell, molecule,DNA level. and that we have magnetic imaging, again i would say at the level of energy required to lift a thirty ton saucer, the magnetic field would be considerable to say the least.
Persist,Peace.

reply to post by TarzanBeta


Firstly, you assume that any "aliens" must travel from a different galaxy. Secondly, you assume that the designations or "types" of civilizations are reality. Based on this assumption, I'm surprised that you are willing to believe that we have only the technology that you know about and that we are not much more advanced - meaning, that certain organizations in the world haven't already developed these "type 1" and "type 2" technologies!

I agree Tarzan, the pursuit of type 1/2 tech has been ongoing since 1800"s, Maxwell/Tesla, this is the true secret Science/Tech/Arms race that has been underway/underwraps since then.
Who's to say the Greys are not genetic SS experimentation, cradle to grave led to believe they are Alien.

reply to post by ancient_wisdom


Yeah, the concept of an Alien is an Alien, Alienating, conception designed to isolate and divide. and when i see an entity that doe's not look suspiciously humanoid....

Originally posted by Cosmic4life
reply to post by WitnessFromAfar

 

Hmmm, I am warming to your line of investigation but i am not sure what it will prove, nevertheless true to form i will endeavor to answer your questions without actually releasing to the world the final UFT which of course would include life and consciousness.

Don't worry Cosmic, one thing you'll learn about me, is that I'm not seeking to 'prove' anything. I merely seek to evaluate available evidence, and draw the best conclusions I feel are possible.

In this case, any theory on the questions I asked you is a theory I'd like to hear and explore.

Testing the theory only helps me learn

If nothing else, you really made me think with your responses, and that's a great thing! I love to think Sure I was a bit dissappointed that you aren't an actual non-human alien that traveled here from another Star System, however in lack of such a being posting here in this thread, I appreciate you answering the questions I would have posed to such a being.

I'll leave off asking you follow-ups in this thread, I don't want to detract from the topic, however I must point out that this part of your last reply was AWESOME!:

Originally posted by Cosmic4life
Now lets move to Neutrinos and their chameleon like tendancies, some-how neutrinos oscillate through their 3 flavors, Tau, Muon and Electron at will.
I would be inclined to use Neutrinos in a quantum computer, if the implication of the multiverse being a massively parallel sub-atomic neural net hasn't already blown my circuits!

I'd never considered using Neutrinos in such a way, nor had I considered the interaction that Neutrinos found in nature would have on such a machine...

You blew my mind there for about 20 minutes straight. Nice!

I'll leave off now and get back to the topic at hand, but I would like to finally add, I sure wish that there were a non-human alien here posting on this board. We could learn a lot from such an individual...

-WFA

Originally posted by CrashGecko
reply to post by TarzanBeta

 

I dont think that it is fear of anything but more like a search for the unknown not the fear of. If people were afraid would they not think to build mostly weapons first. Instead some people think that Aliens are real and could actually help us but because everything on earth about aliens is them trying to destroy us and us always winning then the only thing i can think of is. Why would they come here if they think we might attack. We are trained to attack and fear the unknown not accept it. Maybe your fear of being alone is what is making you attack people. This thread was started for info not for bashing so please lets stop and see what really happens here and leave the poster alone.


If we seek knowledge why are we being persecuted for it.

You think people just randomly search for the unknown "just because"?

I accept your challenge.

Originally posted by locster

Originally posted by TarzanBeta
reply to post by locster

 

Your original intent of this thread was simply to psycho-analyze the people who would claim to be alien, to determine the veracity of any of their claims, and to put into perspective the UNDERLYING notions of alien existence....

If the thread had any intent at all other than attention and points, which I'm beginning to doubt!

Nope both reasons are wrong.
Could you just please accept that you don't know my reasons?
Please get off your high horse.
And i did this thread to get attention and points? Please there are much more ways to do that wich do not take half the time of writing a post.

Again you thinking i did this for points kinda shows the way you think.
It takes one to know one.
Maybe you should read some other threads and posts i did before judging me.

You still made my friends list. I am sure i'll see you around here on ATS.


[edit on 22/9/09 by locster]

I accept that you won't admit your reasons.
I do not have a horse.
It didn't take much for you to start this thread.
I concede that it is pointless to get points.
It takes the criminally adept to understand criminal potential, but the criminally adept aren't necessarily criminal.

And the only reason I came back to this thread was because I noticed you added me to your friends and I wondered, "What'd I do??"

As another stab at your intent, might it be that you were attempting to gauge how many people who respond on this forum compared to the number of people who actually claimed to be alien?

My name is Tarzan. I am one out of 2 people in the entire world (that I know of) whose real first name is Tarzan. The other is my dad. Google it.

I am alien.

great post man keep it up

[edit on 9/22/2009 by nicholas.zupancic]

[edit on 9/22/2009 by nicholas.zupancic]

Hello Locster,

I just feel your title is insulting, all self procliamed aliens report in. From my understanding you feel that people who say they are alien in some way makes it look bad for investigators and you are tired of it, you want proof!

Well, I was an Alien (as you would call it) long ago I was taken to an area and asked by the Elders the Human Creator's if I would come here to help this Human race when it is time, I agreed. I was told that when I became Human I would become stupid and that they would come to me throughout my Human life and I would learn what I would need to know.....hence experiences. The Soul that is within this Human body of mine is that of that Grey Being (a "good" Grey)

I was told that once I arrived on Earth I would not be able to change my mind if I decided I did not like it here there was nothing they could do, I had agreed to a life cycle event.

I observe here and there from the things/events I have been shown and told and everything is just about out in the open it just is not believed.

The only way I believe you will believe is if it happens to you and you will just have to wait until that time arrives...... if it ever does. I suggest be careful what you wish for because there is good and bad and sometimes what you believe you understand to be is actually something that might be able to be taken in different ways and you might have taken the meaning in the wrong way.

Even I can't call them to me, I was told that for me to even be able to use Telepathy in my lifetime would take a very long time and I would have to try very hard to do so.

There are many species of Aliens as you call them I prefer Lifeforms myself but I write Aliens because this is what is known and used.

There is plenty of proof such as implants, scars, photo's that are not CGI.

Real life isn't what anyone was taught.

As they say, the Human race is evolving to slowly.

I am stopping here as I see it everyone has to wake at there own time but one suggestion is I would think that with many members right here at ATS that have had abductions and/or experiencer they should be listened to, you might learn something or be able to help put pieces together.... make connections........ When it is time you will know without a doubt.

Originally posted by observe50
Hello Locster,

I just feel your title is insulting, all self procliamed aliens report in. From my understanding you feel that people who say they are alien in some way makes it look bad for investigators and you are tired of it, you want proof!

No only the ones that come on here telling great stories and get pissed when you ask for some proof. It does not even have to be something physical, just tell me some knowledge / info i can't find on the web.
And if they can't for whatever reason that is fine, but why get pissed when people ask that. A being observing humanity should expect those questions.

Originally posted by observe50
Well, I was an Alien (as you would call it) long ago I was taken to an area and asked by the Elders the Human Creator's if I would come here to help this Human race when it is time, I agreed. I was told that when I became Human I would become stupid and that they would come to me throughout my Human life and I would learn what I would need to know.....hence experiences. The Soul that is within this Human body of mine is that of that Grey Being (a "good" Grey)

I was told that once I arrived on Earth I would not be able to change my mind if I decided I did not like it here there was nothing they could do, I had agreed to a life cycle event.

I observe here and there from the things/events I have been shown and told and everything is just about out in the open it just is not believed.

I am aware of the agreements made before birth.

Originally posted by observe50
The only way I believe you will believe is if it happens to you and you will just have to wait until that time arrives...... if it ever does. I suggest be careful what you wish for because there is good and bad and sometimes what you believe you understand to be is actually something that might be able to be taken in different ways and you might have taken the meaning in the wrong way.

Even I can't call them to me, I was told that for me to even be able to use Telepathy in my lifetime would take a very long time and I would have to try very hard to do so.

There are many species of Aliens as you call them I prefer Lifeforms myself but I write Aliens because this is what is known and used.

There is plenty of proof such as implants, scars, photo's that are not CGI.

What makes you think i am not a believer?

Originally posted by observe50
Real life isn't what anyone was taught.

As they say, the Human race is evolving to slowly.

I am stopping here as I see it everyone has to wake at there own time but one suggestion is I would think that with many members right here at ATS that have had abductions and/or experiencer they should be listened to, you might learn something or be able to help put pieces together.... make connections........ When it is time you will know without a doubt.

To be honest i know the only thing alien to humans is a humans real form.
I admire your caution in giving out info to not make people go crazy.
I can see the term alien could be offending, kinda like saying "those people".
Thank you for pointing that out.

I am an alien, just as most of you are. Maybe I wasn't an alien in my childhood, but then surely I became an alien. This harsh system outside, crude capitalism, idiocracy of consumerism, dishonesty of many people made me an alien for sure.

I must admit I do get a little annoyed when an abducttee/experiencer is asked for proof and the same goes when someone writes the words this person is credible then they name a government person, lawyer,police officer etc. when many of them are crooks and not credible. How does one's job/title make the person credible.

Sorry if I sounded nasty but I do get upset when abductee's/experiencer are put down (not by you really you do seem nice) or are made fun of in any manner such as being a loony or having mental problems.

I wait for someone to """claim the discovery""" of the Grey's tracking device. I believe I am the only one that knew the location until I put it out on the net.

I totally agree that a title does not make someone more credible.
You did not sound nasty at all, just irritated, wich is understandable
And i really am a nice guy! This situation is like looking for a needle in a haystack while people keep on adding hay.

Could you elaborate on the Grey's tracking device?

reply to post by observe50


I agree . It infuriates me to no end to watch as by if only sheer numbers key witnesses are shoved off the bridge to make way for big shots that are supposedly 'credible', pffft! They havent done a very good job so far have they now?

It is high time the real witnesses come forward in record numbers to stand united.

PS OP, WE ARE ALL the ALIENS!

Originally posted by antar

PS OP, WE ARE ALL the ALIENS!

That was kinda the point i was trying to get across with this thread.
The only thing alien to humans is a humans true form.

what is human?

a. living homo sapien body
b. third density entity

what be third density entity?

one that learns to make choices about what to do for themselves.

what be alien?

a. one that not familiar to you
b. star being
c. star being reincarnate

the homo sapien population of planet earth exploded quite quickly.
where souls of adequate maturity brought from?
not all natives raised through evolutionary ladder.
many come from other places to learn to make choices on a tricky planet.

some be incarnates from higher level density called wanderers.
Such as Francis Bacon, Da Vinci, Tesla and many others.

Proof? But all be infinite and so infinitely malleable.
On a probability hop the sounds that mean square and circle may be reversed on this planet.

Believe what you choose to believe.
Let it be your choice.

How do you know if you made the "right" "correct" or "normal" decision?
Be happy and safe.

Nor-Mal be not sad so happy.

Fairy tales. Yes the stories star beings left behind.
Airy Fairy, a star being from the clouds.
Peace, love and harmony.
Soft wafting curvatures of harmonic passion reverberating through soul.

An experience you quantum bind to through language.
Welcome to the world of love and forgiveness.
All be done, as infinite constant.
Let be happy.

You are either the car when you drive it or you drive a car. You are either your body or you have a body.

What do you see? (this is general question for all, not just the OP)

As long as one relates to physical forms and paradigms similar to that, everything will be alien, or ET, or this, or that. I don't even really know what any of it means anymore.

I am you, you are me, they are us, we are they. What is the difference when you see with all of your eyes, and speak with your heart? When you feel the very thing which Intertwines us? You really have to ask yourself: How would we really survive out there, with all the vast and "different" looking lifeforms if we don't identify with more than our bodies? It has already set us up for failure enough as it is.

Spirit first, Physical matter second, everything else last.

reply to post by locster


I suppose this thread has about played out, but this is a response to the original question/premise that I just came across.

If we could send you off to an Earth-type planet where human-types roamed and thus, you were physically indistinguishable among them, could you prove to them that you were not one of them?

I'll answer that for you--NO! All of your "proof" would be in your head. And BTW, you would feel very alien and probably would want to talk to someone about it.

Don't make the mistake of confusing what some humans feel about themselves with them being a flesh-and-blood alien. It ain't that simple.

I am a Mokidoensielian from the planet moosekaka in the fartusmaximo system!

KNEEL BEFORE ME!!!!!