Racism is for Ignorant Fools, not ATS.

Originally posted by masqua

Originally posted by BLUE ARMS
There ARE different races of "humans" who (you guessed it already..doh!) DO-NOT-GET-ALONG.

Could you please provide a valid historical and scientific argument for that statement?

Seriously,

LOL..!!

Have a 'peek' at the middle east,

????

Originally posted by Wimbly
reply to post by infinite

 

Actually, I got warnings from mods for posting about the media race baiting. Somehow posting the MSM's/Democrats attacking Americans as racist, is in itself racist. I find it interesting tat this thread pops up at the exact same time the MSM is at its peak fear mongering level.

I've been reading these forums a long time and while I do see white on black racism very occasionally, I much more often see racism towards whites. Pointing that out is not racist. If you think it is, well then maybe you have some race issues of your own.

Disagreeing with Obama does not make you racist. The accusation is based solely on the skin color of the critics. How ironic eh?

And what's more ironic is that he is half white, half black. Which part are you being racist towards?

I am also glad to see this thread. Just have a few quotes to add:

Barack Obama on race:

- The problem is not that things haven't gotten better. The problem is that they're not good enough, and we still have a lot of work to do.

- I'm not somebody who uses race to score political points--quite the opposite. I would hope that it wouldn't just be something that I would do because I'm black, I would hope that any senator in my position would do the same thing.

- I don't want people to pretend I'm not black or that it's somehow not relevant.

From "Barack Obama: In His Own Words." New York: Avalon 2007

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Originally posted by jimmyx

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
reply to post by SkepticOverlord

 

I agree but then you have to be careful what you term as 'racist' and what you term as just 'honest opinion'

Sometimes what we write can come across as being 'racist' but what we are actually doing is stating a 'fact' or 'opinion'

It's like if i said 'this city is getting too crowded with too many immigrants' would you class that as being 'racist' or class it as 'fact'?

People will have to learn not to take opinions out of context!!

if you were a white person from america, living in Lagos, Nigeria, and there were large crowds of Nigerians who held signs up saying "this city is getting too crowded with too many immigrants" ...would you feel like you were racially threatened? ...or would you just think they were stateing a fact.


[edit on 18-9-2009 by jimmyx]

Going out on the street holding placards is something totally different to me sitting at a computer typing what i think....

The Nigerians would have every right to vent their frustrations just like i am doing here in the UK and if you lived here you would see for yourself how difficult it is in certain areas... not to mention the religious beliefs/ways they have bought with them... you too would start to feel unsafe shall we say with all these Mosques all over the place...

And that ^^ doesn't mean i'm racist i'm just stating a fact!

Oh... and i forgot to mention the Fact that they want to remain seperate and build large families so that one day they will try to have their state within a state.... in fact they are already pressing for this at speed!

[edit on 18-9-2009 by TruthxIsxInxThexMist]

[edit on 18-9-2009 by TruthxIsxInxThexMist]

And what's more ironic is that he is half white, half black. Which part are you being racist towards?




Simply legendary.

Respect

BLUE ARMS

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
... not to mention the religious beliefs/ways they have bought with them... you too would start to feel unsafe shall we say with all these Mosques all over the place...

And that ^^ doesn't mean i'm racist i'm just stating a fact!

Unbelievable. :shk:

There's always someone to show up and demonstrate perfectly the point of an opening post.

I take it churches, synagogues and other places of worship make you feel just as "unsafe".
.

Originally posted by BLUE ARMS

And what's more ironic is that he is half white, half black. Which part are you being racist towards?




Simply legendary.

Respect

BLUE ARMS

I have to post this quick before it gets yanked. Thanks for the comment Blue Arms.

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
In my long experience with social content communities (dating back to BBSs of the 1980's) the only people who seem to be confused about "what is a racist remark" are indeed racists doing one of two things...
1. pretending ignorance/confusion on the subject.
2. attempting to inject claims of racism where there is none.

To be fair to Matrix Rising, SO, he did not ask what a racist remark is, but rather racism disguised as political criticism. That is a very important distinction. Instead you reworded it then accused those who ask the reworded question as being either racists or race-baiters.

While we all can recognize examples of blantant racism, racism disguised as political criticism" is not as easily identified due to its very nature. And it can be subjective, based on a person's own experience.* There are many members who have a genuine question and concerns about what does and does not constitute this particular strain of racism, members who are neither racists or race-baiters. While I understand that because of both the subtle and sometimes subjective nature of "subtle racism disguised as political criticism" it can be hard to give examples, I think it is better to answer this question and concerns instead of dismissing those who ask as racists or race-baiters.

(* For example, NBC Nightly News on Wednesday ran a piece about racism and politics. They showed an image of a man carrying a sign that read, "Obama's Plan = White Slavery. "White slavery" is a term meaning prostitution. Now, the question is: is this guy making an clusmy, albeit innocent analogy and the reporter projecting his own beliefs on the sign or is does the guy really think Obama is going to enslave white folk?)

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Deny Ignorance The motto of ATS: This motto has life. It has purpose. It demands ATS members to think. It is a state of mind. It is a sense of purpose. It is a statement agaisnt the paradigm. It is a rage against the mindless status-quo. The idea of "deny ignorance" isn't a goal that ATS hopes to accomplish. Instead, it's a challenge. A call to all those who come here to aspire to a higher state of awareness through informed discussion and debate. Deny ignorance is what we do. It's how we think. It's how we talk. It's how we listen. Ignorance is the creeping crud of history that has clouded our minds and dulled our brains. Is the evil that men do, the reason history repeats, and the cause of intolerance. We deny it. it's not welcome here. Within these boundaries, it has no strength. Here, ignorance is denied.

This is a rallying cry for us to put an end to the relentless assaults by mindless posters who use race to deter us from finding the answers we seek.

How in the world do we go from that to Obama?

reply to post by House Of Mirrors


How could there be. You were absolutely correct and the only possible argument against what you said would be to defend bigotry. It is rampant here and I for one am ESTATIC that the staff here is on the hunt for this! What really surprises me is that there are so many who see bigotry as only being racist.

Anytime you are against someone or a group of people for a trait they cannot change, it's BIGOTRY!

As a homosexual, I see it everyday. In fact, ours is the only group that it's still 'OK' to discriminate against and openly express bigoted comments about. The excuses and justifications used to justify themselves simply boggle my mind. For instance, I started a thread on the Constitutionality of DOMA and the various state's laws banning same sex marriage. Do you think that the debate stayed on topic? Nope, it spiralled into excuses for bigotry. It makes me sad to see this type of mindset in this country today. While technologically we are marching forward, socially we have the car in reverse, and we're stomping on the gas...

You won't find a bigger advocate of MIXING OF THE RACES than me.

The gene pools could sure use a mix up. Most of the medical troubles we have today are due to racism when you think about it.

You should never discriminate against a worthy mate!

reply to post by House Of Mirrors


You forgot that ATS is a private site, and it can enforce whatever rules it chooses. Despite the fact that I'm a little peeved about my warning (especially when the post afterward calls somebody a "dike on steroids" and is still up...), I understand that posting on ATS is a privilege, not a right, and it can be revoked at any time for any reason.

Don't misunderstand -- I fully support the racism rule, since I agree that racism is indeed for ignorant fools.

Originally posted by BLUE ARMS
Have a 'peek' at the middle east,

Nations have been hating and warring since time immemorial. The conflicts which inflame the ME have been going on longer than recorded history.

The question remains... is there scientific historical proof of 'Seperate Races' getting into scraps? The Vandals that attacked Rome were not considered a seperate race. The Huns were not considered a seperate race. So where does the notion come from?

"Race" first appeared in the English language around the 17th century. North Americans began to use the term in their scientific writings by the late 18th century. Racism was developed and popularized by scientists in the 19th century, as they were regarded as purveyors of truth. At the time this ideology also explained political and economic conflicts in various parts of the world and legitimized the dominant role of British capitalism in the world economic system. Racism is universal and is evident in many different ethno-racial groups. It is not limited to white groups.

www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com...

There is no mention of the word 'race' in the bible:

The Bible does not even use the word race in reference to people,8 but does describe all human beings as being of ‘one blood’ (Acts 17:26). This of course emphasizes that we are all related, as all humans are descendants of the first man, Adam (1 Corinthians 15:45).9

creation.com...

In fact, different 'peoples' are referred to as 'nations'.

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

Originally posted by Matrix Rising
How can you discern racism disguised as political criticism?

This is not necessarily directed at you, but intended to be a general statement...

In my long experience with social content communities (dating back to BBSs of the 1980's) the only people who seem to be confused about "what is a racist remark" are indeed racists doing one of two things...
1. pretending ignorance/confusion on the subject.
2. attempting to inject claims of racism where there is none.

Perhaps citing some of your most concerning examples, say one at a time.
So that they can be disscussed here. That way providing a more clear picture of what you want.
Be specific. That will help deny ignorance.
And then all members can take that back to the boards.
thanks SO

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I have to say I'm glad S.O. has spoken up on this issue.

I have "battled" and argued against racists ever since i arrived on ATS and it's been the one thing that pisses me off about the site.

For a site with the motto "Deny ignorance" we have some of the most ignorant and intolerant people on the planet as members here.


I know this is probably more to do with Obama than the general racism issue but i hope this spreads throughout the site and the subtle racist digs and the sly racists that are here, now become a thing of the past.


You can guarantee that if it's a gay, Racism or Obama thread.... the scum of ATS all crawl out of their holes.

Enough is enough i say.

Originally posted by Gools

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
... not to mention the religious beliefs/ways they have bought with them... you too would start to feel unsafe shall we say with all these Mosques all over the place...

And that ^^ doesn't mean i'm racist i'm just stating a fact!

Unbelievable. :shk:

There's always someone to show up and demonstrate perfectly the point of an opening post.

I take it churches, synagogues and other places of worship make you feel just as "unsafe".
.

Nope!

I have never had any problems with Christians or Jews or any other Faith here and they have never caused me any problems but when you get hate preachers in Mosques and Armies of Muslims shouting for the heads of Soldiers in our streets thats when things start turning ugly... you can already see with the protests out there what is happening.

And as far as i know it is only the shall we say 'fanaticals' that go out of their way to blow all & sundrie up.... they've been doing it back in the Middle East for centuries and they are still doing it now... have you forgotten the bombs which go off every other week?

I really do believe that some people are blind to what is going on right before their eyes!!

I also hope you don't ban me from this site just because of this discussion!

reply to post by JaxonRoberts



That wasn't his point at all. Way to find something like that and make it into a rallying cry. He was stating that why stop at RACISM which is a FORM of prejudice.

Learning lesson > A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one who regards or treats members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.[1] Bigotry is the corresponding mindset or action.

The term bigot is often misused to pejoratively label those who merely oppose or disagree with the devotion of another. The correct use of the term, however, requires the elements of obstinacy, irrationality, and animosity toward those of differing devotion.

To disagree with doesn't mean I am a bigot. If I am hateful or disrespectful towards you then I am. There is a difference and I think you just feel into an opps.

By the way, why is House of Mirrors getting censored. I read his posts and none seemed disrespectful. When did this group become overly sensitive?

Let me see if I can get in trouble. Why did SO focus on racism and not all of the other forms of prejudice on ATS? Was racism more frequent then sexism or other terms?

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist

Originally posted by jimmyx

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
reply to post by SkepticOverlord

 

I agree but then you have to be careful what you term as 'racist' and what you term as just 'honest opinion'

Sometimes what we write can come across as being 'racist' but what we are actually doing is stating a 'fact' or 'opinion'

It's like if i said 'this city is getting too crowded with too many immigrants' would you class that as being 'racist' or class it as 'fact'?

People will have to learn not to take opinions out of context!!

if you were a white person from america, living in Lagos, Nigeria, and there were large crowds of Nigerians who held signs up saying "this city is getting too crowded with too many immigrants" ...would you feel like you were racially threatened? ...or would you just think they were stateing a fact.


[edit on 18-9-2009 by jimmyx]

Going out on the street holding placards is something totally different to me sitting at a computer typing what i think....

The Nigerians would have every right to vent their frustrations just like i am doing here in the UK and if you lived here you would see for yourself how difficult it is in certain areas... not to mention the religious beliefs/ways they have bought with them... you too would start to feel unsafe shall we say with all these Mosques all over the place...

And that ^^ doesn't mean i'm racist i'm just stating a fact!

Oh... and i forgot to mention the Fact that they want to remain seperate and build large families so that one day they will try to have their state within a state.... in fact they are already pressing for this at speed!

[edit on 18-9-2009 by TruthxIsxInxThexMist]

yes...you brits do have a problem, especially when they refuse to intergrate themselves into the british way of life and society.

especially since they have come right out and said that they want to change britian over to a muslim country. sorry mate, but i wouldn't want to be in your shoes.

but i was using what i said to illustrate the racism toward blacks in america, who have intergrated themselves in more positive ways and are still thought of as being (to put it as nicely as i can) unworthy in some parts of our country.

[edit on 18-9-2009 by TruthxIsxInxThexMist]

yes...you brits do have a problem, especially when they refuse to intergrate themselves into the british way of life and society.

especially since they have come right out and said that they want to change britian over to a muslim country. sorry mate, but i wouldn't want to be in your shoes.

but i was using what i said to illustrate the racism toward blacks in america, who have intergrated themselves in more positive ways and are still thought of as being (to put it as nicely as i can) unworthy in some parts of our country.


[edit on 18-9-2009 by jimmyx]

About dang time they said something. Was getting tired of all the hate speech.


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