Worst Conspiracy Theory Ever

Originally posted by EvilTwin666
Ok I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed,

So let me get this right,

We are at war with Iraq and Afghanistan because some guy called Osama Bin Laden woke up one morning and decided to fly 2 planes into the Twin Towers for no apparent reason,

Am I right so far ?

He runs some organisation called the Taliban and Al Qaeda who are such an organised terrorist group that they could not even manage to blow up a Jeep Cherokee with 6 Calor Gas Bottles at Glasgow Airport.

We are talking about the same highly advanced terrorist organisation here aren't we ?

So straight after 9/11 we invade Iraq because Saddam Hussain has something to do with this Osama guy ?

I am still on the ball here aren't I ?

Then Iraq may of had weapons of mass destruction but they didn't because England and the United States supplied Iraq with its weapons but we forgot to check the receipts.

Then the story goes on that he had to be removed because he had committed genecide in the early 1990's of around 200 Kurds so we have had to kill 1.3 million Iraqi civilians since this invasion.

Thats the worst Conspiracy Theory I have ever heard.

Anyone who believes that needs their head testing.



[edit on 17-9-2009 by EvilTwin666]

Bin Laden does not control the Taliban so you got that wrong.

The attack on the twin towers was the 2nd time they attempted their destruction or did you forget that?

Saddam had okayed al Qaeda's use of areas of Iraq for training bases.

It has been confirmed by senior Iraqi former military leaders that Saddam did have instruments of mass destruction and that he flew the stock pile out prior to the invasion.

He had members of his own power Cabal taken out and executed.

Something Pelosi probably wishes she could do.

The group in Great Britain were a bunch of independent Islamic radicals who conceived of and attempted the bombing on their own.

Unlike the Madrid,London and Bali bombings that were successful.

So.... no I think you don't really have a complete understanding of what happened or who was involved.

Maybe if you or one of your loved ones were blown to smithereens while calmly going about their business some day you would comprehend it.

And probably blame the government for not protecting you.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by EvilTwin666

 

Where did they train? Practice? Plot? Make it all come out perfectly, with no rehearsals? Gee, the Hollywood and Theater companies of the World could sure use those sorts of talents, to shave production costs. Just write a script, cast the actors, put them in costume and start the play...or start filming, because there's no need to rehearse, fine tune, or clear up any rough edges in your plans, because it's so brilliant from the start.

Compared to the Muslim extremists who actually PLANNED for months, did dry runs, plotted, trained, practiced....for MONTHS!!! Still, didn't quite go as they'd hoped (fortunately). Bad enough though....

What are you talking about? who trained, who practiced? who ploted? that whole paragraph is so full of nonsense on its own because if you are talking about the conspiracy theory you are just assuming that they woke up that day and did what they did, and yet you are assuming that the "muslims" did trained for months but didn't quite go as they hoped.

so contradictory in itself, I thought you said the plan was so brilliant and why wouldn't the domestic perpetraitors not practice in their own backyard? let me copy your last paragraph and change something to show you that it still applies the other way around...

Compared to the Goverment who actually PLANNED for months, did dry runs, plotted, trained, practiced....for MONTHS!!! Still, didn't quite go as they'd hoped (fortunately). Bad enough though....

See? the coin has two sides don't and don't be assuming either...

and no, I don't know all the answers, i don't know who did it, but don't assume you know unless you have absolute proof.

Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by EvilTwin666

 

You know maybe if you stop looking for a boogeyman and believing an inept government attacked its own people. The website you gave is a bogus website with bogus numbers. Maybe if you "Truthers" grew up, you would realize this. In order for an attack of that magnitude to have been conducted but the U.S there would have been plenty of people involved. Eventually those people would talk no matter what EVERYONE TALKS.

2. There have been recreations on smaller scales that show/and prove that airplanes hit the buildings all three of them. Now I will admit, Flight 93 was shot down, the military didn’t want to risk and attack on anymore buildings.

While I do see there are plenty of discrepancies, I do not believe the goverment or any goverment beuracrat is comptent enough to comitt this attroicties.

EVERYONE TALKS... Stick your head into the clouds and keep bitching about it being an inside job, Instead of actually trying to fix this wounded nation before we go the way of ROME.

And if you would examine the vast amounts of physical and circumstantial evidence that supports what "truthers" believe, this country might be able to put an end to this kind of government betrayal.

Unfortunately, there are too many of "you" and not enough "truthers," so count on another "terrorist attack" in America. How many more will it take before you get a clue?

While we walk around with our "head in the clouds," you might want to try to dig yours out of the sand.

Bin Laden does not control the Taliban so you got that wrong.

The attack on the twin towers was the 2nd time they attempted their destruction or did you forget that?

Saddam had okayed al Qaeda's use of areas of Iraq for training bases.

It has been confirmed by senior Iraqi former military leaders that Saddam did have instruments of mass destruction and that he flew the stock pile out prior to the invasion.

He had members of his own power Cabal taken out and executed.

Something Pelosi probably wishes she could do.

The group in Great Britain were a bunch of independent Islamic radicals who conceived of and attempted the bombing on their own.

Unlike the Madrid,London and Bali bombings that were successful.

So.... no I think you don't really have a complete understanding of what happened or who was involved.

Maybe if you or one of your loved ones were blown to smithereens while calmly going about their business some day you would comprehend it.

And probably blame the government for not protecting you.


Where did you get all that info from ?

Not CNN, Fox News, Sky News, BBC News Etc.

Everything you have written is nothing more than black propoganda.

All the info I wrote was from those sources, of course you will tell me to investigate and I have unfortunately 99% of the population haven't which is what the thread is portraying, a spoon fed brainwashed society.

Think you will find Mossad (Israel) are always the usual suspects whenever anything happens.

A Mossad surveillance team made quite a public spectacle of themselves on 9-11. The New York Times reported Thursday that a group of five men had set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attack on Tuesday, and were seen congratulating one another afterwards. (1) Police received several calls from angry New Jersey residents claiming "middle-eastern" men with a white van were videotaping the disaster with shouts of joy and mockery

link

Divide and Conquer


[edit on 18-9-2009 by EvilTwin666]

reply to post by Arsenis

What are you talking about? who trained, who practiced? who ploted? that whole paragraph is so full of nonsense on its own because if you are talking about the conspiracy theory you are just assuming that they woke up that day and did what they did, and yet you are assuming that the "muslims" did trained for months but didn't quite go as they hoped.

Maybe I'm not that skilled at expressing myself on the word machine, here.

The hijackers trained. Overseas. Hand-to-hand combat technigues. Enough cockpit familiarization to achieve what they did. Frequent flights, to observe and case procedures, to look for oppurtunities.

Aiming a large airplane full of fuel isn't hard to do.

Not being able to control the ATC delay in Newark, THAT was the fortunate (for us) bit. AND, the hijackers were too stupid (or arrogant) to realize that the passengers (UA 93) might find out what was happening, because of the delay, and rise up to defend themselves. Contrarly to most 'hostage' situations of that sort.

I never said the hijackers' plan was "brilliant"!! Try putting words in someone else's mouth, please.

Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by EvilTwin666

 

Who owns that website? Is it reliable? These are questions any person who even attempts to through Information out as fact should attempt to check. One source isnt the end all tell all, and it doesnt make it gospel. Find some creditable information somehwere (not Wiki) that show over a million killed. Hell the Iraqi Goverment doesnt even put it at that.

yeah i agree.... 90% of all statistics can be made to say whatever you ant 50% of the time.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by Arsenis

 

What are you talking about? who trained, who practiced? who ploted? that whole paragraph is so full of nonsense on its own because if you are talking about the conspiracy theory you are just assuming that they woke up that day and did what they did, and yet you are assuming that the "muslims" did trained for months but didn't quite go as they hoped.

Maybe I'm not that skilled at expressing myself on the word machine, here.

The hijackers trained. Overseas. Hand-to-hand combat technigues. Enough cockpit familiarization to achieve what they did. Frequent flights, to observe and case procedures, to look for oppurtunities.

Aiming a large airplane full of fuel isn't hard to do.

Not being able to control the ATC delay in Newark, THAT was the fortunate (for us) bit. AND, the hijackers were too stupid (or arrogant) to realize that the passengers (UA 93) might find out what was happening, because of the delay, and rise up to defend themselves. Contrarly to most 'hostage' situations of that sort.

I never said the hijackers' plan was "brilliant"!! Try putting words in someone else's mouth, please.

I never put any words on your mouth dude, you are doing it again, I said it is contradictory to say the plan was brilliant that's why I quoted 2 paragraph, see when you said that, you pointed out that if it was the goverment was brilliant but when you talk about the highjackers it didn't come out as perfectly planned.

start filming, because there's no need to rehearse, fine tune, or clear up any rough edges in your plans, because it's so brilliant from the start.

I completely understand you meant that as sarcasm, perfect way to discredit a/or theory though, as you see I never put those words in your mouth, they did come out of there thou (or keyboard).

Dude you are very well skill at the word machine, don't discredit yourself.
you are very skilled and have an awesome way to manipulate the word machine, it happens on both sides...

[edit on 18-9-2009 by Arsenis]

Originally posted by EvilTwin666
reply to post by poedxsoldiervet

 

Sorry rounded it up to the nearest figure.

As from today it is 1,339,771

Information Clearing House

Numbers like that can confuse some people because I bet they don't count people literally shot with an american gun, but people who, could not get medicine because of the US invasion and other things like that. but basically, yes, 1.3 million dead... and it's not like Dick Cheney didn't know that ahead of time.

-rrr


[edit on 18-9-2009 by rickyrrr]

Originally posted by depth om
The thing is most people will not gather the "facts" and lay them out for inspection. There are bills to pay, games to watch, and mouths to feed. If everyone could receive a primer guide to the official story and how mucked up it has become, how many twists and turns and outright LIES there were, maybe they would turn away from the the bread and the circuses, tear the veil off their eyes and start scratching their heads.

Fantasy becomes reality when no one cares to look again. There's things to be done and fun to be had!

This is a excellent and LARGE piece of the PSYCHOLOGICAL puzzle....that should be understood by many .......even those that aren't yet ready to give things a chance......don't be scurrrred.....you may just say "it could be true".....this is how SOOO many people can just go with the OS......there are layers of psychological conditioning .......there are negative social consequences ......when you add up the layers it just adds fuel to the fire of willful ignorance.....another layer of ignorance is "how could it be an inside job b/c then a "large part of the gov't had to be in on it.!...not true.....inside job just as easily means a small minority that had knowledge ...and likely had compartmentalized knowledge with a handful that had the broad intelligence. Most people have better things to do with their time...the "bread and circuses" if you will......and i would say it isn't good for your mental health to become bogged down in conspiracy theory's .......really there is a balance that should be struck.....live life it's ok to get drunk on the weekend.......watch sports....etc etc.

...the internet makes it easier for people to hold such views and not have to bring them up or mention them in circles of best buddies even thou it is most truth seekers make up to want to show others what they "have come to believe is true".....most will be stone walled and labeled wacko's this is just the reflex answer to anyone who holds a stronger belief in the offical story.....that belief doesn't change overnite........it takes exposure to alternate perspectives .....and repetition........generaly the less a person cares about getting to the bottom of it....the more they will generally label you a shmuck lol.

Okay, Al-Qaeda is a fictitious group of terrorists developed by the government. The government blew up the towers and blamed it on Osama so they can spread propaganda on "terrorism" and brainwash the public into fear. Thanks to the alleged "terrorist attacks," the government has passed such statutes such as "The Patriot Act," and institutions like "The Department of Homeland Security". Which has ultimately regulated Americans even further, and is an obstruction of privacy. Domestic terrorism is on the rise and you are the terrorists.

The reason we went over to Iraq isn't because of so-called WMD's. It is to establish military bases, to extend and centralize a governance in that area, and to continue the fear mongering from the media. The elite wants our currency to fail, they want the government to keep taking out loans from the Federal Reserve. Once our currency fails, they can influence the American people into a new currency and a North American Union. Not to mention the Corporatocracy and oil industry trying to extend profit margin.

Call me crazy, but I have the sneaking suspicion that the government flew drone planes into the twin towers. This was just like the false-flag terrorist attacks in 'Operation Northwoods'. I think we've all seen the absence of a plane hitting the pentagon, and heard how impossibly difficult it would be. One thing that slips me up on this though, there is no wreckage on united 93, then what happened to the people with the mourning family members? Is that a lie? If that is, then why a field in the middle of nowhere? Also, isn't it just perfect for the president to be at a kindergarten school, listening to children reading stories during the attack? Where else would he be portrayed as a benevolent leader?

[edit on 19-9-2009 by Defial]

Originally posted by Defial
Okay, Al-Qaeda is a fictitious group of terrorists developed by the government. The government blew up the towers and blamed it on Osama so they can spread propaganda on "terrorism" and brainwash the public into fear. Thanks to the alleged "terrorist attacks," the government has passed such statutes such as "The Patriot Act," and institutions like "The Department of Homeland Security". Which has ultimately regulated Americans even further, and is an obstruction of privacy. Domestic terrorism is on the rise and you are the terrorists.

The reason we went over to Iraq isn't because of so-called WMD's. It is to establish military bases, to extend and centralize a governance in that area, and to continue the fear mongering from the media. The elite wants our currency to fail, they want the government to keep taking out loans from the Federal Reserve. Once our currency fails, they can influence the American people into a new currency and a North American Union. Not to mention the Corporatocracy and oil industry trying to extend profit margin.

Call me crazy, but I have the sneaking suspicion that the government flew drone planes into the twin towers. This was just like the false-flag terrorist attacks in 'Operation Northwoods'. I think we've all seen the absence of a plane hitting the pentagon, and heard how impossibly difficult it would be. One thing that slips me up on this though, there is no wreckage on united 93, then what happened to the people with the mourning family members? Is that a lie? If that is, then why a field in the middle of nowhere? Also, isn't it just perfect for the president to be at a kindergarten school, listening to children reading stories during the attack? Where else would he be portrayed as a benevolent leader?

[edit on 19-9-2009 by Defial]

You are of course correct !!!!!!!

Maybe can not 100% prove remote control drone planes but the rest of what you have written is on the ball !!!!

The American Union joins with the European Union, Asian Union and the African Union to establish a New World Order.

Like a giant game of Chess that began centuries maybe even thousands of years ago is in its final stages of the game and close to Check Mate.

We've just been born into the final stages of the game and not realised the game has been playing for so long.

"We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent." – Statement made before the United States Senate on Feb. 7, 1950 by James Paul Warburg, son of Fed Founder Paul Warburg

This involves one Government, One Currency and One Religion

I really don't understand some of the comments not just on this thread but on this forum.

How some people beleive there is some big conspiracy and the New World Order is coming but then dismiss the extremes the Elite go to to impliment these changes.

President Bush may look and act stupid, if you wanted to control the world would you put your face in the public eye and under public scrutiny ?

Or would you get a puppet and call him president ?

Make people believe they voted for change ?

Make them think that they are in control ?

When in fact the world is and always has been a stage and we are the actors dancing to the tune of a handful of people.

There is no democracy it is meerly an illusion of freedom.

As the Dali Lama said "The world is an illusion"

JFK maybe told Maryln Monroe too much when she famously said "Its all make beleive isn't it ?" that comment probably cost her her life.

I really think the NWO will be pipped at the post by a Noosphere though.....

Originally posted by Kr0n0s
reply to post by EvilTwin666

 

Why are threads about the validity of the Iraq war still being made? Geez, just lets just move on already. Yes the CIA lied, the Military lied, Bush lied and Colin Powel was duped into lying, all in order to sell an invasion of Iraq to the American People, to the UN and to our European allies.
However, for the most part, its over and done with.
Iraq is finally gaining some stability, the two religious factions are getting along again, finally realizing that Al Qeda in Iraq was a more dangerous presence than the US Military and effectively kicking them out of the country.
Can the US claim victory here? Technically yes but the real victors are the people of Iraq, if the Sunni and Shia had not allied themselves with each other, the fighting and bombings would continue to this day.

For me, this issue is where it belongs, in the history books. It is time to see to more important issues now, the issues that are closer to home.
Seriously, with unemployment rates rising, banking failures, the housing bubble and everything else thats going on with our economy, dont you think its about time to quit whining about a Govt lying to its people to initiate a war?
Like thats never happened before and it will most definitely happen again, so next time it happens, try not to look so surprised.

So come on, lets focus more on what the Govt is doing domestically and less on its foreign policy.
Lets see some anger over privacy issues or about us modeling our surveillance system after the UK's, a country who is said to have more surveillance cameras per capita, in the world.
Privacy, un-employment, health care, the President creating new Czars out of this air...
These are just a few examples and all of them are far more important than the old news that is Iraq.

So, what're you going to say when this happens again? And because no one gave a damn about punishing the criminals that pulled it off the last time?

When was the last time you shrugged at a muder and said "Hey, so the guy killed his wife. Sure, it's bad, but we got stuff that's in the here and now. Let's not cry over spilled milk here. She dead. let it go. The past is the past."

I get the feeling that if this were a Democrat president and his henchmen that took the attacks of 9/11 and butchered the Constitition over it, you'd still be in a straitjacket over it.

We investigate and punish crimes to prevent them from becoming an everyday event. Period.

worst conspiracy?



Shapeshifting annunaki reptillian like aliens controlling our societies through royalties and mighty dynasties..Even Japanese science fiction manga [Dragonball z saga] writers couldn't come up with a story like that....

[edit on 19-9-2009 by Foppezao]

Can the US claim victory here? Technically yes but the real victors are the people of Iraq, if the Sunni and Shia had not allied themselves with each other, the fighting and bombings would continue to this day.

They do continue to this day you stupid ****. You sound like stewie griffon saying "Victory is mine".

OH I GE IT! EES FUNNY BECAUSE WE DIDNT WIN!

[edit on 19-9-2009 by jprophet420]

reply to post by EvilTwin666


What this thread pretends to do is reduce a complex matter to the level of a second grade child and say "I don't know anything about US policy or history, and don't know anytjhing about Iraq and Saddam and why we went to war."

"since I know nothing about it, I should question why we did it and my ignorance is its own position to stand on."

several quick points:

finding WMD or not after the invasion means nothing. Absolutely nothing.
I think bush knew Blix would find nothing either and this is why it was imperative we invade and remove him. He'd gamed the system, converted his programs to clandestine dual use breakout programs, Blix would give him a clean bill of health, sanctions would end and three nations would go in and overnight tap the worlds largest petroleum reserves and with Saddam already selling oil in euros and iran and venezuela sure to follow, Paris would open a petroeuros market and the dollar would collapse in a worldwide dollar selloff.
this would weaken the Saudi economy drastically, Saddam would reequip his armies as two of those three nations were his primary weapons vendors.
Alan Greenspan predicted he would go into Saudi Arabia and attempt to control the straits of hormuz.
His revenge against the US would be complete. the dollar destroyed and our petroleum life blood cut off. Not hard to imagine, similar to what we did to the USSR.

Saddam was up to his eyeballs sponsoring and supporting terrorists.

Saddam's history of terror

you do not launch a war on terrorism in the middle east after threatening him with 11 un resolutions to stop, and after 9/11 his response is to increase the bounties and ramp up the support. how can you make further threats on anyone?

Finally we invaded Afghanistan and the Al Qaeda rats all ran. Of course they did it was not their homeland.

you do not chase rats, you lay a trap with an irresistable bait.

the promise of what they sought, their own homeland, and the chance to kill an American.

Our soldiers have killled tens of thousands of insurgents, probably around 35,000 at this point. Most estimates place the number of foreign fighters at 10%.

We just needed to get the right 19. If nothing else we needed to prove that we follow through on ultimatums, and that message has been somewhat diminished by people with political agendas claiming they were lied to.

The Joint Resolution is the SOLE document laying out the rationale for the war, and guess what? Not one lie or mistruth within. I don't care what the media pounded into your head, Bush doesn't control that. In one speech that he does control, the UN general assembly speech of September 7 2002, he emphasized democracy and human rights, along with WMD- he didn't make it up after the fact as claimed.

WMD claims were those within George Tenet's NIE, and dated back to Clinton's administration. We didn't even have anyone in Iraq under Bush.

Oh, and what did Iraq have to do with 9/11? That attack was caused by our policies in dealing with Saddam. Read OBL's fatwa. Afterwards we review those policies and figure it's time to poop or get off the can, and we were obligated by long term agreements to protect Kuwait and KSA, so walking away was out of the question.

Consider Iraq a mortgage payment to KSA for shoring up the dollar that built our house since 1973.

It would be easier to sympathize with those claiming they were lied to if they did not constantly use ignorance and lies to argue their position.

No offense of course.

Any replies, I ask that you review the Joint Resolution and show me where it claims Saddam possessed stockpiles at that time. (a reference is made to the early '90's, that's it) Have you even seen that document?

reply to post by Seventh

Wow, all that to side step around your `They never uncover anything`flaw.

Flaw? Only when taken utterly out of context. However, within context I would hope it clear that I meant it in regards to some sort of reaction or impact outside of and beyond the Conspiracy Community. Someone can prove their Conspiracy Theory angle 100,000x over on a Conspiracy Theory website/convention/etc... but all of that is not worth a single Oliver North being brought before trial... or a single Bernie Madoff being brought low... even if just as the fallguys for the crimes of other bigger fish who swim free.

Actually, both Saddam and US shares common enemy: the Al-Qaeda Itself.

reply to post by masonicon


Saddam is an Arab Muslim. (the last word from his mouth as the trap door opened during the hanging was "mohammed" as he recited an Islamic prayer)

Al Qaeda are Arab Muslims. Blood is thicker than water.

Both would certainly forget their differences to ally against a greater common enemy such as Israel or the west.

See the link I provided in my above post. Saddam paid almost $15million in bounties to Palestinian Terrorists, praising their martyrdom for Allah.

Saddam praised Osama Bin Laden after the African embassy bombings, and celebrated on 9/11. The basis of Osama's fatwa, or at least 2 of the 3 grievances cited within, that eventually resulted in the 9/11 attacks, are about hardships upon the muslim people of Iraq. The third was the Israeli Palestinian situation, and we know where Saddam stood on that.

The thought that Saddam and Al Qaeda are "mortal enemies" is utter BS in perspective of their goals against the US, Israel, and opposing western influence in the middle east. To those ends their goals are the same.