Worst Conspiracy Theory Ever

reply to post by EvilTwin666

So you still believe Bin Laden is responsible ?

No, and I never said I did. What I said was,

Osama Bin Laden didn't just wake up one morning and crap out the 9/11 attacks along with yesterdays falafel. Osama didn't even plan the attacks. It was a collaborative effort of many individuals, with Abu Zubaydah being the central figure supposedly involved in the planning and organization.

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Makes me wonder why it does not mention 9/11 on his Most Wanted page at the FBI, you can of course email them and ask to which your reply will be "There is no clear evidence linking him to the 9/11 attacks"

No, it doesn't make me wonder why the 9/11 attacks aren't on his most wanted list, because there IS no evidence that he was directly involved. As said, he's an icon... a figure head... a rallying point for recruitment. This is why we never really bothered (IMO) to put a serious effort into catching him... because he wasn't the direct danger, and his death/capture would have turned him into a martyr. Better to humiliate him, it's thought, and erode his iconic image and appeal to fundamentalists. To us, he's worth more as an impotent, than as a corpse. He's more dangerous dead than alive, but for that exact same reason - because he was the face and voice of Al-Qaeda - is why he became the focal point of American vengeance. Hence the snark hunt, while what we're really focusing on is routing Taliban positions, securing villages, and tracking down senior Al-Qaeda members and preventing the re-establishment of training camps.

Again, look into the 1993 bombing and subsequent arrest of Omar Abdel-Rahman (The Blind Sheik) and the reaction it STILL evokes, because his arrest has made him a similar iconic figure which rallies support and inspires further attacks, such as the 1997 massacre in Luxor Egypt.

Osama Bin Laden's place as the FBI #1 Most Wanted is symbolic, not expressly literal.

In or At war does it matter

Very much so, as they're two completely different objectives and strategies. At war with a nation means we're actively destroying their military/governmental infrastructure to push that nation into a declaration of surrender. At war IN a country means we're working with that nation's government, or with it's permission, to rout a common enemy. Surely Hamid Karzai sees the Taliban as an enemy and threat to the current government he's president of, which was established in the wake of the Taliban's ousting. We're not targeting their military and governmental infrastructure, we're trying to help build it.

This is part of what Bush neglected with Afghanistan in his anxiousness to attack Iraq, the building of infrastructure to provide jobs and stability to people as an alternative path to jihad as a means to better their lives... as well as the enduring security presence to ensure that that infrastructure is not co-opted or raided by Taliban forces. That's why we have troops stationed in stable villages unable to move or assist in nearby combat operations... because we're now trying to establish a trust that we will be there for their security. We kind of have a bad reputation for supporting our allies only until our interests are secured... then leaving them to the wolves.

As for Saddam not letting weapons inspectors see non existant weapons is a farce, we may as well of been told he was holding Santa Claus hostage.

Regardless of whether or not you find fault with it, Saddam's WMD bluff is part of the official story. I can't find a definitive source or verification, but I recall at the time hearing reports of Saddam trying to open back-channel communications with the White House to allow undercover FBI inspectors access to whatever facilities they wanted to confirm that he did not have the weapon... and offered self-imposed exile in Syria in exchange for a large sum of money. Offers which the Bush administration apparently refused. But again, I don't recall if those claims were ever backed up or verified.

Would love to see the pics of the other 2 planes that were destined for the Whitehouse and allegedly hit the Pentagon.

That's not the point, and I expressly said that. Whatever contentions you have against the official story are only worth making if you actually know what the "official story" that your arguing against is. Thus far, whether for exaggeration purposes to parody common misconceptions or out of genuine misconception yourself, you haven't displayed a proper grasp of what the official story even is.

If you beleive that AQ were responsible for 9/11 then since you've been fooled once it shouldn't be too difficult a second time round.

Again, it's irrelevant to the point. Even if you reject it, you have to have a decent grasp of what the official story even is before you can attempt to try to debunk it. Otherwise, you're just projecting your own biases and getting nowhere by chasing phantoms.


Without a doubt, there's a great deal of information which was spun or withheld from the public in the evolution of the "Official Story", and that a substantial portion of the population cannot even get the basics of the official story right is worrysome. Ultimately, I believe, this is contributing factor to why conspiracies are revealed by journalists, insiders, and leaked as retaliation for political/corporate betrayal/scapegoating - whereas Conspiracy Theorists typically never really uncover anything, and only prove their points to each other within the context of their own conventions, protests, and internet communities.

[edit on 17-9-2009 by Lasheic]

It may seem surreal and silly, but usually, truth is stranger than fiction.

I actually believe the simplicity of flying jets into buildings, over a massive coverup that was perfectly executed, and then kept secret by the probably thousands of people involved. Other than stuff taken out of context by random comments said to the media, not one single person came forward and provided proof this was an inside job, or said "We did this, and I was involved, here is how it went down."

Well, I want to say a few things.

The war is still going because for some reason, our government actually thinks they are a threat for whatever reason that may be.

Or the second reason, its all about oil, trading, and currency, which are a few things that have a major impact on our economy. So they are doing it for economic benefits...the U.S is pretty much an empire in the idea that it will trample other countries to benefit its own leaders and citizens.

You can either turn a blind eye and continue the good life that you have had a chance to get or fight it/move to another country and feel the burden.

Originally posted by Lasheic

whereas Conspiracy Theorists typically never really uncover anything, and only prove their points to each other within the context of their own conventions, protests, and internet communities.

Oh really!!!, cue one of my many threads that uncover bucketfuls, let me know when you`ve applied the `Air Squibs` type relevancy and i`ll post some more for you hot shot.

Bear in mind... Your (the OS) data, your video release, and the flight path explicitly proven a joke, are the main ingredient of all this work.

Have some fun here, get yourself some video editing software, make sure you have the video that was released, find frame one in the film (it`s when the object 1st appeared) you will find there is around 25 frames of this object just sitting there doing nothing, then boom all in one frame it has moved and hit the Pentagon in what would have taken well over a 1000 frames, if the same movement to frame ratio was shown from frame one.

If you get really lucky you can get the very 1st release where the object in frame one is still there, when the edited by sesame street brought to you by the Alphabet Agencies colour montage was added (I think this bit is an explosion of some sort).

The relative measurements and scaled to distances depicted by the vanishing point of the horizon, a 20 per cent vertical perspective correction and 1.5 per cent tilt correction to compensate for the CCTV lens, and the exact place the object had to be, to be captured by the CCTV`s exact focal point, (an aerial view of these measurements can be seen in the picture lower down)...

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The alleged flight path....

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The flight path that covers the lamp post hits and where the plane would have to be in comparison to the CCTV.........

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How many of the planes that are shown in the released frames would fit into the exactly scaled to measure distance....

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/a4ef2c714339.jpg[/atsimg]

How many 757`s fit in the same distance.....

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Whatever the badly edited craft that was super imposed was, they got their dimensions horribly wrong.....

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/467e6d8b4673.jpg[/atsimg]

Let me know when you are done, and I expect the same amount of calculations etc proving why this is wrong, sorry no random military guy from the annexe said he saw `This or that` will be regarded as evidence... Here we have the one thing that pops the OS crap wide open, maths, physics, science.

Disprove these figures, and why the craft when it appeared in the released video stayed in that spot for 25 plus frames.

[edit on 17-9-2009 by minigunner]

Originally posted by wayno


The treachery of the act (of 911) worked as planned to galvanize the country (US) behind its evil leader.

Galvanize the country behind Bush? Ummm...were paying attention to his last six years in office? His approval rating plummeted. He was ridiculed from every direction.

If that was the desired result then 9/11 was an abject failure.

Of course, that wasn't the goal of those who planned and carried out 9/11. That mission is ongoing.

This site is WAY more like the mainstream media than many or most here realize. Prime case in point: Apparently most people here believe bin Laden is still alive. (Have already posted on too many previous threads about the dead-as-a-doorknob ObL. Am very tired of repeating myself). How is that significantly different from those who get their news and info from the boob tube only, or otherwise give the TV propagandists too much "credibility?"

Originally posted by johnmhinds

Originally posted by EvilTwin666

No he defiantly had the weapons at one point, we know because we were the ones that sold them to him, the real conspiracy here not being able to find out out what he did with them.
Did Iraq sell them on to another country?

He didn't have any weapons. They did a lot of interviews with him before he was executed. He admitted he had no weapons but kept everyone in the dark because he didn't want to show weakness in the eyes of Iran. Makes sense and, of course, no weapons were recovered.

Deep inside we all feel something is weird about all of this. To many people were caught contracdicting themselves or lying.

Deep inside we all want it to be over for good. They simply demand justice and the truth to be known. To stop future wars and further manipulation of a whole nation further the whole world as of a consequence.

Deep inside we all wish it would of never happened and everything could be just like before 9/11. Simply to many destructive actions have been taken around the world because of that event. So many law put in place around the world in the name of security. So much security sometimes that it goes against the same rules and convictions our fathers fought against because it was said to controling. So much attrocity in the name of what again? I ask you.

Deep inside we know if it would of never happened then we wouldnt be here today talking about it and it wouldnt be taking so much of our attention and time.

Originally posted by EvilTwin666
Ok I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed,

Obviously not.

So let me get this right,

We are at war with Iraq and Afghanistan because some guy called Osama Bin Laden woke up one morning and decided to fly 2 planes into the Twin Towers for no apparent reason,

Am I right so far ?

No. He had his men fly two planes into the WTC because, in a nutshell, he did not like Americna policies concerning his area fo the world. There is ample reason he wanted to attack the US.

He runs some organisation called the Taliban and Al Qaeda who are such an organised terrorist group that they could not even manage to blow up a Jeep Cherokee with 6 Calor Gas Bottles at Glasgow Airport.

We are talking about the same highly advanced terrorist organisation here aren't we ?

Same one that managed to create a working government in Afghanistan and exists in cells all over the world, yes. Remember how a terrorist organization works.

And no, he does/did not run the Taliban. If you think that, then your ignorance is so great you should not be commenting either wya on 9/11.

So straight after 9/11 we invade Iraq because Saddam Hussain has something to do with this Osama guy ?

We would have invaded Iraq without 9/11. It was high in Bush's agenda.

I am still on the ball here aren't I ?

The ball seems to have hit you in the head.

Then Iraq may of had weapons of mass destruction but they didn't because England and the United States supplied Iraq with its weapons but we forgot to check the receipts.

You are not Negrodamus.

Then the story goes on that he had to be removed because he had committed genecide in the early 1990's of around 200 Kurds so we have had to kill 1.3 million Iraqi civilians since this invasion.

American troops killed very few of those civilians. The civil war and insurgency in Iraq has killed them.

Thats the worst Conspiracy Theory I have ever heard.

Anyone who believes that needs their head testing.
[edit on 17-9-2009 by EvilTwin666]

Same to you.

I know I'll get eaten alive, but the 9/11 inside job conspiracy is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

[edit on 9-17-2009 by Esoterica]

reply to post by EvilTwin666


You just need to look at a map to see the real reasoning. What do Iraq and Afghanistan have in common? They are the eastern and western fronts of Iran!

Problem is, Iranians are one of the most diehard people on earth. During the Iraq Iran war waves of Iranian children, old men and even women ran at Iraqi troops unarmed in allot of cases, Iraqi machine gunners mowed them down for hours only to be overran (look up A million martyrs on Google). An invasion of Iran is akin to Genocide for this reason. There is no victory to be had in Iran!

If we do invade Iran We will undoubtedly be hit first, or the UN will sanction it. Maybe we will get intelligence that Osama himself is over there and under their protection. Or most likely Israel will be hit and we will be asked to help etc.

Was it an inside Job? Probably not, but if it was not contrived by parties with a vested interest, then they must have praised its happening none the less.

If it ever did come to light that any government had their hand in 911 there would be a fiery hell to pay. Its akin to the biggest game of Russian Rolette ever played.



[edit on 18-9-2009 by Donkey_Dean]

Originally posted by Esoterica

Originally posted by EvilTwin666
Ok I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed,

Obviously not.

So let me get this right,

We are at war with Iraq and Afghanistan because some guy called Osama Bin Laden woke up one morning and decided to fly 2 planes into the Twin Towers for no apparent reason,

Am I right so far ?

No. He had his men fly two planes into the WTC because, in a nutshell, he did not like Americna policies concerning his area fo the world. There is ample reason he wanted to attack the US.

He runs some organisation called the Taliban and Al Qaeda who are such an organised terrorist group that they could not even manage to blow up a Jeep Cherokee with 6 Calor Gas Bottles at Glasgow Airport.

We are talking about the same highly advanced terrorist organisation here aren't we ?

Same one that managed to create a working government in Afghanistan and exists in cells all over the world, yes. Remember how a terrorist organization works.

And no, he does/did not run the Taliban. If you think that, then your ignorance is so great you should not be commenting either wya on 9/11.

So straight after 9/11 we invade Iraq because Saddam Hussain has something to do with this Osama guy ?

We would have invaded Iraq without 9/11. It was high in Bush's agenda.

I am still on the ball here aren't I ?

The ball seems to have hit you in the head.

Then Iraq may of had weapons of mass destruction but they didn't because England and the United States supplied Iraq with its weapons but we forgot to check the receipts.

You are not Negrodamus.

Then the story goes on that he had to be removed because he had committed genecide in the early 1990's of around 200 Kurds so we have had to kill 1.3 million Iraqi civilians since this invasion.

American troops killed very few of those civilians. The civil war and insurgency in Iraq has killed them.

Thats the worst Conspiracy Theory I have ever heard.

Anyone who believes that needs their head testing.
[edit on 17-9-2009 by EvilTwin666]

Same to you.

I know I'll get eaten alive, but the 9/11 inside job conspiracy is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

[edit on 9-17-2009 by Esoterica]

I used to think the original conspiracy story was the dumbest and most absurd STORIES ever told, until your reply above which has far surpassed and given a new meaning to the word.

you offer zero evidence to show how the evidence contradicting the OCT you believe, is wrong.

Not a great way to convince anyone here that your opinion has any merit whatsoever.

I would love to reply to everyone but in particular I would like to reply to those who still believe the government had nothing to do with 9/11

Governments need a Bogeyman to keep the public living in fear, when we live in fear we are like sheep who need shepherds to look after us.

Fear drives a man.

Past Bogeymen include Nazi's, Russia, Communists, Witches, the list goes on til we get to Bin Laden.

We have nothing to fear except for fear itself don't be fooled and don't have the world pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.

The official 9/11 cover story and the reasons for going to war is nothing more than a far fetched conspiracy theory written by a few and not so creative high ranking officials.

If anything there is more chance of Mossad being the real perpetrator, they had the means and the motive and may well of already admitted to it.





[edit on 17-9-2009 by EvilTwin666]

Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by EvilTwin666

 

Where do you get 1.3 Million Iraqis dead? I was in Iraq for 2.5 years, and never did I see anything close to that number move throw the morgues or on any unofficial body counts... Check your facts.


www.who.int...
www.capitolhillblue.com...
www.truthdig.com...
www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jan/10/iraq.iraqtimeline

Oh you're a coroner then? A mortician? You were inside a morgue every single day for 3 years? Must be depressing in there aye?

Originally posted by rufusdrak

Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by EvilTwin666

 

Where do you get 1.3 Million Iraqis dead? I was in Iraq for 2.5 years, and never did I see anything close to that number move throw the morgues or on any unofficial body counts... Check your facts.


www.who.int...
www.capitolhillblue.com...
www.truthdig.com...
www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jan/10/iraq.iraqtimeline

Oh you're a coroner then? A mortician? You were inside a morgue every single day for 3 years? Must be depressing in there aye?

I didn't even bother replying to poedxsoldiervet, gave me a load of links that were 3 years out of date and told me to check my facts

Originally posted by EvilTwin666
I would love to reply to everyone but in particular I would like to reply to those who still believe the government had nothing to do with 9/11

Governments need a Bogeyman to keep the public living in fear, when we live in fear we are like sheep who need shepherds to look after us.

Fear drives a man.

Past Bogeymen include Nazi's, Russia, Communists, Witches, the list goes on til we get to Bin Laden.

We have nothing to fear except for fear itself don't be fooled and don't have the world pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.

The official 9/11 cover story and the reasons for going to war is nothing more than a far fetched conspiracy theory written by a few and not so creative high ranking officials.

If anything there is more chance of Mossad being the real perpetrator, they had the means and the motive and may well of already admitted to it.

[edit on 17-9-2009 by EvilTwin666]

Mossad most deffinitly had the motivation. You just need to look at a map to see a compeling reason. What does Iraq and Afghanistan have in common?



[edit on 17-9-2009 by Donkey_Dean]

reply to post by Donkey_Dean


Iraq and Afghanistan are prime strategic locations to attack Iran, its like a game of Chess, cover every angle and check mate





[edit on 17-9-2009 by EvilTwin666]

You are correct!! You are not the sharpest tool in the shed...but a tool none the less.

Ive seen many dead Iraqis in my deployments to Iraq, but in this year hasnt been as bad as the tours i did between 2004/2005 and 2006/2007.

Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet

Where do you get 1.3 Million Iraqis dead? I was in Iraq for 2.5 years, and never did I see anything close to that number move throw the morgues or on any unofficial body counts... Check your facts.

When they say 1.3 million, I am pretty sure they mean the entire length of the war so far, not just 2.5 years of it. I doubt anyone will ever see any numbers with any real legitimacy, either way. Considering we never should have been there in he first place, I would think any 1 dead Iraqi would be too many.

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