Alien Abduction in Italy: the sad story of Pier Fortunato Zanfretta

Originally posted by observe50
Internos as always thank you for your input. I believe what happened to this man because this is the way that events usually occur when dealing with other species.

You've said that already, and it still doesn't help me to understand what it's like to 'deal with other species'.

Are there just one or several alien species interacting with humans, and if several, do they all interact for the same reason/purpose/agenda, and proceed in the same manner?

It would seem unlikely to me, but what do I know?

I can only go by what I have knowledge of.

My understanding is that the Grey's monitor the entire Earth. There are many different species here whether in our deepest waters or in ships (which may appear as just another star in our night sky)

Our Solar System has plenty of life within Planets and Moons and way back I was told to make people see that our Planets and Moons are all the wrong sizes for one another. I assume there has to be some meaning to that so I wrote it here at ATS and hope one day someone will know an answer of why I was supposed to mention this.

They consider Earth there's but what has to be understood is there are different Grey's just as there are differences in Humans.

We do things they don't understand or like and they do things we don't understand or like but in the whole scheme of things doesn't matter this is the way it is.

From my recall the symbols in Peru where the Nasca Lines are.... are directional locator's for the different species.

As for the other species here they are can follow there agenda as long as it doesn't in any way interfer with what they are going. They had said that they will do battle and when they do they will take that battle out over our waters they don't want any of the ships landing on our lands.

This Planet is considered a Laboratory.

In all reality these beings can be considered just as Terrestrial as you and I but they can also be considered Extraterrestrial because they have the ability to travel long and far distances in this Solar System and beyond.

Our Scientist have to realize that all life does not need what we need to survive but yet they are parallel to us in many ways.

Oxygen that we need to survive may kill other species for example.

As I see it Disclosure is just words saying UFO's are real is no big deal at least to me because I know. After all these decades just to get our Government to say UFO's are real then I wonder how many more decades it is going to take for people to finally believe yes, there are Alien Beings flying those ships.

What I think most want is not Disclosure alone that UFO's are real or yes Alien's are real they want contact, they want to see for themselves the ships and the Beings.

The last I was told and I was told this over 50 years ago that they would confer only one time to interfer and that is if we were about to destroy Earth for if we destroyed Earth we would destroy there Laboratory. The word interfer is an interesting word at least to me.

From what I was shown if/when that time comes you won't need to ask if what is happening is real or a false flag by our governments because you will know.

Everything on this Planet is of interest many things are collected and transferred to other locations this Universe is still being mapped and is also slowly being terraformed.

I'll stop here I don't mean to change subject, I wait patiently for more info on this thread about this case of Alien Abduction.


[edit on 19-9-2009 by observe50]

if this has happened , 30 years ago,
and we haven't seen anymore of these
ten foot ,not=so-jolly jellymen,
maybe they got lost?

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Can you answer my question this time?

Do you know of any reports of "missing time" or strange incidents from OTHER RESIDENTS in the area aside from those you've mentioned?

This would be helpful to know don't you think?

If we accept documented cases as this one, as real in every detail, we can only hypothesize why alien species interact with humans in certain manners.
First of all, in many cases, or in the tremendous majority of them, victims live to tell their stories. Yet, the aliens choose remote locations and peculiar hours to make their presence.
I won't deal with any of the "gray's" cases which is something that has been totally stretched out of proportions if you believe everything you read and since most of it comes without proof whatsoever except the fact that allegedly "a lot of people have seen them" in many isolated cases. Since it is the main theme of a recurring fiction and functions as to serve as the trademark of alien presence on earth, 90% and more could just be products of some mental illness that were triggered by this popular fiction. It is much like in the same fashion as we are accustomed to believe that angels if they exist they have to appear bright and have wings, in the same manner if the aliens have to exist they appear like little grays with huge heads and dark eyes.

Cases similar like this one in this thread, if we accept they are for real are mainly interesting because not only offer some kind of proof, but also reveal many other interesting details.

A plethora of different species.
Details of different anatomy.
Different psychological behavior per species.
Different kind of technology per species.
Different claims per species (place of origins/reasons for visiting)
Different methodology of studying humans

All in all a plethora of details (among the proved cases) that could help us draw some conclusions. Science likes to deal with facts and details, and such cases can reveal a lot of facts and details if studied. They are way more interesting than the gray alien phenomenon which IMO might only be there to serve as a "blanket" to inhibit further research in the study of different species that might be visiting earth and might be interacting with humans.

Irregardless of the possible differences of every sentient species (if they exist) some things have to be common. The fear of dieing, fear of captivity, pleasure in discovering, fascination in exploration and communicating with other life forms, form of alliances and making of enemies with similar or even different kinds of intelligent life forms for a specific purpose.
Somehow they have to be able to understand reality at some extend with similar ways as we do. They have to fly ships, visit places, avoid hazards, make it back alive, have a purpose of doing all the above and a reward for doing this, like gathering information, for probably specific purposes.

Why don't they kill humans to hide their presence? Some may do at some minor extend but what about those frightening cases like this one where the conducted has been left alive to tell his/her story and also may visited again at some later times.

1. Reason could be that they don't believe in killing, yet at many cases, like in this one where details is only left out to be gleaned from sketches and we have no further details or explanation from this case, they seem capable of deploying effective crowd (or individual) control technologies in order to be able to study their subjects more effectively. If a society even if it is even an alien one, has to rely on such technologies then the belief of having the right of killing another being might not lay further behind.
So this might not answer our question very effectively.

2. Reason could be that they are in fear of doing this.
One part of this could it be because we (since we are the contacted species) are a force to be reckoned with, yet somehow we are not capable of understanding this. Our current levels of space exploration is limited and we would not know if other planets exist and have similar species just like us. Some of those worlds already developed effective technology and as it would be expected later discovered and maintained adequate connection with many similar species worlds in some sense protecting their own, yet for some reason some populations of some worlds might be largely unaware of this for some reasons but any visitor with adequate level of space travel efficiency and exploration has far more greater chances than us to be aware of any such situation, hence the reluctance of those strange and dissimilar beings presented in this thread to kill us. For if any such species could, why should they stop there? They could also cross the boundaries totally and proceed in large numbers (as this cases contacted person passed on to us as the future intention of its abductors are, which btw is something we find in common in many similar cases) and remove some large numbers of our species for their own ill purposes. Certainly this kind of action would be even more profound, than just the killing of an lone individual, to any other third party happening to observe such situations. Also the chances of having accounts of provable cases of similar extraterrestrial species like us would be very slim since, in general there would be not much logic in abducting similar species that function and behave almost identical to the possible observer. You may monitor their environment but you could simply identify anything from a distance since you already know the basics by which they function all too well, if it happens that you are a similar type of species.

3 Another Reason would be that there are laws in place by some higher powerful authority and different species cannot act against different species across different planets. If we study our own history in terms of as being a contacted civilization at our early stages of development and if we happen to agree that the situations as recorded in our historical texts is accurate and that our past regarding alien contact has been ugly then we would argue, where was that higher force that was tasked to protect us back then?

In the second reason I listed exists the possibility that what I described in the end of the description of my third possible reason, that our own first type of contact which didn't end up well, set an unknown chain of events we might not be aware off and now measures have been taken for something similar to be avoided in the future.

I believe this type of contact like the one we have been reading in this thread (if everything we have been told is real and any case like this is real) might be a type of a "public manipulation" type of mission. Entirely different species, frightening in detail as to be in direct contrast to what we have to perceive is natural, beautiful, balanced, non intimidating and similar like us, acts in a remote isolated place, handles an individual and leave him running about to tell a story that also involves a second mass coming of the same terrifying species to our world. If several worlds like our own exist, and some of them are aware of the existence of the all of them, chances are that any other force that would be hostile to them would have as the only chances of conquering these worlds, by initially instilling fear of the unknown and the unexplored at least to the lesser developed worlds, fear to make steps towards space exploration and advancement of our species. In this manner you could seed the elements of doubt about usefulness of space exploration and slowly star trimming down the numbers of these worlds of similar species that you are up against with. It could be a process that can last some thousands of years or at least many centuries, but on the other hand one has to plan his course ahead looking as far out in to the future as possible in such an unknown and unforgiving environment as the interstellar void might be. It should also be able to extract and analyze any minor detail and project it to any possible outcome.
To put it simpler, these kinds of visits could be the results of politics in play in a greater scene we have little clues about.

My 2 cents.

[edit on 20-9-2009 by spacebot]

I must give tremendous props to ImShrike for doing a stellar job in providing everything to the best of his abilities. Thanks!

It is hard to determine how others will react in stressful situations. Yes, this has been mentioned many, many times in the thread but there is quite a bit of truth behind it. I live in the Rocky Mountains where bear and mountains lion encounters still occur, regularly especially during hunting season. How each person reacts to these incidents is different. One person may play dead when one person will fight or another will simply run. We can not pigeonhole ourselves to believe that one person will react exactly how we think we'd react. Even one person's description of the same account could be vastly different. There is some instruction on how to deal with grizzly bears and mountain lions, there isn't for dealing with a alien species. I say all the time if I ran across a Sasquatch I'd pull my camera although in reality I'm sure I'd soil myself. Zanfretta was terrified and his picking up the flashlight seemed odd to me but how would I act in that situation? That flashlight might have been his only source of, dare I say, comfort. People have a tendency to grasp at something familiar, no matter what the circumstances, for emotional and physical safety even if it is as innocuous as a flashlight.

As for the beings, we don't know anything about them aside from the descriptions so how do we know the outer shell/skin isn't a bio-suit? Since they're humanoid can't we surmise they have a body metabolism similar to our own thus the exposed noggin-veins can be a cooling mechanism to reduce overheating of the inner head region? I dunno'. Maybe? Computer processor's need to be cooled, right?

When we throw out the term reptilian what do we mean exactly? I was always fuzzy on that. I grew up learning the reptilian beings were aggressive and violent. Does this term reflect their emotionless nature, cold-blood, or skin texture? I always felt reptilian meant they looked like Grig from The Last Star Fighter or Jerry from Enemy Mine. I am open to clarification. I think I heard just as many aggressive and intrusive incidents from the cute little grey guys as I've heard about the dangerous reptilians. Until either guest star on 500 Club, we'll never know.

I am also not a student of physics or mathematics or sociology but I am a huge student of laziness. So was Einstein (...but I'm not comparing myself to Einstein). What a amazingly simple idea like splitting an atom in two! I do the same experiment all the time with my kids fighting over the last piece of pizza. Cut it in two... Voila'! Twice as much pizza! Atom? Boom! Twice as much energy (...or something like that)! I know that won't hold water with you analytical types but I do have a far fetched idea...

I thought about this playing Super Mario Cart.

We know that advanced space travel is out of our reach for the moment but, no matter how smelly it is, we can still maneuver fairly well in space... like a baby in a pond. It's faster to send a radio signal to the moon than it is for us to step on the surface. Wouldn't it be logical these beings don't shoot from point A to B but from A to E by means of B, C, and D? Like multiple wormholes/spacial ricochet/jump points/what have you preserving or accelerating an object's motion and/or path correction? Even a trans-Atlantic flights have changeovers, keeping in mind the expenditure of fuel/energy. What about alien outposts? Our own civilizations have them all over and the Universe is big place. Heck, an alien telephone call from afar to an existing alien settlement nearby might explain their seemingly constant presence. A phone call is faster.

Damn, ran out space. And I didn't even get to my dream. Separate thread, I guess?

Originally posted by StevesResearch
reply to post by ImShrike

 

Can you answer my question this time?

Do you know of any reports of "missing time" or strange incidents from OTHER RESIDENTS in the area aside from those you've mentioned?

This would be helpful to know don't you think?

Hi, StevesResearch: i don't know what ImShrike will answer, but as far as i know no accounts of missing time have been reported during the events, but 52 witnesses of UFO sightings, including one from an officer of
Carabinieri and two from Zanfretta's colleagues: even the major of the town spotted an UFO. But as far as i know, no missing time nor CE3 have been reported by others. Yours was a good question.

After exchanging some emails with the journalist who followed the case, i think i have to point something out.
Basically, the story of Zanfretta has to be split into two parts:
chronicle (years etween 1978 and 1980) and follow up.

The most important difference between the two is that during the years 1978,1979 and 1980, the man has been continuously monitored, he was under investigation and during his three major CE his colleagues confirmed to have spotted UFOs, basically the events related to those years are chronicle.

Then, there's the follow up, including the account of the sphere: this second part, is mostly (if not all) based on Zanfretta's claims: it's very important to discern the two.
There are, though, mysterious facets related to the story of the sphere: for example, people trying to follow him during some of his trips to the sphere, stated that there was no way to follow him, due to the visibility and the danger: there was some extremely narrow walk on some precipice: he was able to get there even under extreme conditions (darkness, snow, rain etc) and no one has ever been able to follow him.

Another facet is the one of the accounts:
many details came out only under regressive hypnosis.
For example, the story of the flashlight: right after the first event, he reported to have grabbed it and then escaped, but under regressive hypnosis he told a completely different story: he said to have been brought to some "very hot place".
Now the difference between the two versions could be explained as some form of reaction towards the events (many times it happens that we remove some very negative experience from our memory), but this is just a guess of mine.
There are also the two mysterious people from USA who tried to buy the sphere, offering a lot of money and claiming that "there are tweo more spheres in the world". These two people didn't get in touch with Zanfretta only, but also with the journalist Rino Di Stefano: actually they met him in Tucson, AZ, on 1991 and not only: they have been in italy and spent two weeks with both the Di Stefano and Zanfretta: they were ready to pay MUCH money, but what's strange is that they behaved as if they knew what actually was the device that we call sphere.

Also, while it's true that there are no proofs of the existence of the sphere, is also true that not a single photo came out in some normal way: the ones taken inside the cave where the sphere was stored came out "burnt" due to excess of light, while the ones taken outside, despite showing clearly the area, also have some strange visual noises that couldn't be explained so far: i got one of the pics today, and in all honesty i have no explanation for that type of noise, especially since it was taken with some analog camera so you can rule out all the CCD related issues. I will send a copy of the picture to both Jeff Ritzmann and Bruce Maccabee, hoping that they aren't too busy right now: if it's some known type of issue, i'm sure they will recognize it instantly.

Originally posted by JayinAR
I would say that depends on how they get here from the "Third Galaxy".
At least according to our understanding of physics (but somehow I feel as if these advanced species have the ability to circumvent what we understand to be physical restraints).
If they are travelling in a way that we consider conventional, meaning from point A to B linearly, they could travel as fast as they wanted, but time would only speed up for us.
From their perspective, they could leave 1978, go home and come straight back in a week, but have 100 years pass here on Earth rather easily.

same question for the Greys and Reptilians, how do they get here that fast?

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Thanks for the reply Internos.

Would you be kind enough to post a copy of the photo here? We may be able to help you draw some conclusions.

Originally posted by keops

Originally posted by JayinAR
I would say that depends on how they get here from the "Third Galaxy".
At least according to our understanding of physics (but somehow I feel as if these advanced species have the ability to circumvent what we understand to be physical restraints).
If they are travelling in a way that we consider conventional, meaning from point A to B linearly, they could travel as fast as they wanted, but time would only speed up for us.
From their perspective, they could leave 1978, go home and come straight back in a week, but have 100 years pass here on Earth rather easily.

same question for the Greys and Reptilians, how do they get here that fast?

I would gather they would have multiple jump points, like a ricochet type of system, or they aren't far away like having an outpost. If we're being studied, they may have a duck-blind somewhere close. Maybe that's who chased the Apollo guys from the moon. Was it Apollo?

keops,

They (the Grey's and other species) are here in the deepest of our waters they are not only Extraterrestrial but they are just as Terrestrial as you and I.

S&F thanks for sharing .Never heard it before

Originally posted by colloredbrothers
And they will return in numbers hmmm.

I read a book by Erich von Dänicken where he shows that big civilizations in the past had encounters with beings from another planet and in all those cases the beings talked about a return.

Today I had a dream, normally i don't have these kind of dreams so its really weird.

I look out the window and there is someone that jumped the fence and walked in my yard he had a very powerfull camera with him and I was wondering WTF!? so i looked at him and in the sky where he was waching and I saw allot of ufo's standing in circles or flying up and comming down like the sky was full of them. I told my dad and I couldn't talk specifics i was almost in shock so the only thing that came out of my mouth was OMG OMG OMG OMG look look!!!!! and my dad looked but sayed he didn't see anything and I was like OMG OMG OMG8!!!!

That night I had my first lucid dream btw, its like my attention ws fully on my dream and suddenly a new scene came before my eyes where i saw all of these ships. Like someone was just waiting for me to become lucid to show me these things.

BTW: everybody was standing outside in awe saying its amazing and stuff.

Well with exo-politics, the Earth might be under a different jurisdiction. So different aliens show up. But any abductions are not good for us. Last I read, they think we are a primitive race, and they want the Earth for themselves! If the U.S. doesn't have the technology to stop them, then who does? How scary is that?

Originally posted by keops

Originally posted by JayinAR
I would say that depends on how they get here from the "Third Galaxy".
At least according to our understanding of physics (but somehow I feel as if these advanced species have the ability to circumvent what we understand to be physical restraints).
If they are travelling in a way that we consider conventional, meaning from point A to B linearly, they could travel as fast as they wanted, but time would only speed up for us.
From their perspective, they could leave 1978, go home and come straight back in a week, but have 100 years pass here on Earth rather easily.

same question for the Greys and Reptilians, how do they get here that fast?

You read & watch some of Bob Lazar's info on You Tube, and you'll understand that they've found ways to travel in space/time. AND for those who say Bob Lazar has been proven a liar, just remember WHO doesn't want you to know what's really going on. Try read & watch stuff by Gary McKinnon.

this is an extremely interesting case....
i wonder why they wanted him to "leave with them"?

The "Door" has been REOPENED!
22 November 2009
Exclusive Interview Paola Harris to Pier Fortunato ZANFRETTA!


Transalation from italian:

Paola Harris: Piero, please, tells your history, because Wendelle Stevens is returned in Arizona. Speaks to the people and tells that the "door has been reopened"!

Piero Zanfretta: The great light has been reopened, after a year and half and now I hope to succeed to understand what "They" want and what to make. We hope that the "Thing" arrives to the bottom the next year and then will see...

PH: Meantime “ they” want information from you, true?

PZ: Yes. When I open the “Box” and put my face on it, from the “Sphere in the Box” a "green beam" hits me on the face and I see again all which have happened during the year.

PH: The interesting thing is that when Piero will return to the “box”, “they” will see this interview. They will see that we are here with Piero and positive intentions, with a will to know. We have need of a contact with they because we have need to raise our consciences.

PH: Piero do you think that this contact is positive, even if it cause personal problems to you, true?

PZ: I think that it is positive! We see what will happen when “I will download” my memories.

PH: Thanks Piero , because you have lend to We and They in order to make this mission, even if it is much hard one. Thanks.

PZ: You will see that in 2010 something of huge will happen. In Good way, positive, Not in evil, negative!

[edit on 27-12-2009 by Imagir]

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On that note i can't wait to give a big hug to the 12 foot rhino man withs pikes on his head

Originally posted by StevesResearch
reply to post by internos

 

Thanks for the reply Internos.

Would you be kind enough to post a copy of the photo here? We may be able to help you draw some conclusions.

I have been in touch again with the journalist who reported about the case: he very kindly sent to both me and ImShrike a signed copy of his book.
Firstly, i have to say that what can be found on the internet about the case is just a scratch on the surface, it barely covers the 1 % of the whole story. I'm almost ashamed of how few i knew about this case, and i was convinced to know so much
I will tell a story from this case that has never been shared before on the internet:
this has happened in the presence of Zanfretta's chief, of two of his colleagues, of Zanfretta's chief's wife, of a mechanich, af an engineer specialized in transmissions tools: first and last names of the people involved in this very episode are mentioned in the book.

Since during hypnosis sessions Zanfretta always reported to have been lifted up together with his car, they decided to perform an empyrical experiment: they've connected the axles of the car to the bodywork, using steel wires: they would have broken only in case the car would have been lifted: well, after the next encounter, they've found all four wires broken.


And here is the photo


Full size
We have luckily many members experienced in photography: maybe this is a glitch that already occurred to some of them, let's wait and see.


[edit on 21/1/2010 by internos]

Originally posted by observe50
On one of my visits elsewhere I saw many different species but I do not recall this type..... the only thing I can offer is even though a species may look scary it doesn't mean they are scary and if they are coming back it doesn't mean it is for badness it could be to help.

This is one problem for the Human to know..... who is good and bad in different species.

All I can say is I have seen more goodness then badness when on my Experiences and as I understand this Planet Earth is Protected unfortunately it's not protected the way you would like it to be.

Was curious about some cases so I searched this thread. By far one of the best I have read in a while. Quite old I see...As for my quote, can you elaborate on what you mean.....? How and whom protects earth and why?

I wonder why they need to come back in larger numbers to talk to us. What can a hundred shiploads of them tell us that one can't? Seems kind of dumb to bring everybody here, talk to us then fly back home again. (Unless of course they don't plan on leaving.)