What hit the pentagon on 9/11/01?

Originally posted by gavron

Just goes to show the difference in quality of cams. Then again, as I stated earlier, the Pentagon cam was just for the security gate, not for things flying past at 500+mph.

First of all, the jet was enough distance away that given the frame rate, one quick hop would get a person past the camera if standing right in front of it. What is that camera supposed to capture exactly?

What kind of jet do you suppose that warehouse was worried about?

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999

I forgot. You were personally involved with those drills.

I read the article.

Okay, so I was being a bit sarcastic. The terrorist attacks they were preparing for, were car bombs (hence the reconstruction projects) and the mad gunmen scenarios. Serious thought to anti-aircraft capabilities was never a priority due to the proximity of Reagan National.

I never said that they were going to implement anti-aircraft capabilities.edit to take that out. I was thinking of Gavron. He is wrong all over the last page but this is a new page. Fingers crossed.

[edit on 5-10-2009 by Lillydale]

reply to post by Lillydale


Warehouse? What warehouse are you talking about? My example was showing a barn.(mainly to show that consumers can get high quality cameras). Is there something special in this warehouse you are talking about? Or did you mean The Warehouse (as in Warehouse records?)??

I was talking about security cams in the vicinity of the Pentagon (mainly the gate cam).

I think you're confused...

[edit on 5-10-2009 by gavron]

Originally posted by gavron
You are right on the money, Swampfox. Nobody would have ever anticipated that type of attack...

Isn't that the script that Condiliar Rice used for one of her famous speeches?

[edit on 6-10-2009 by tezzajw]

reply to post by gavron

The proximity of Reagan to the Pentagon is quite unusual....you would have thought the would have planned the flight paths to NOT fly directly over...

You should research the history of "Capitol Airport". The AIRPORT was there well, well BEFORE the Pentagon!!!

The proximity of the Airport to ALL THE OTHER important places in DC....is that equally "unusual"?????

Sorry, gavron....I like a lot of your thinking, but this one needed to be brought out for comment. Lest it get traction it doesn't deserve, as ANOTHER 'conspiracy theory'...

Just for a hint....think about a fact.

The MOST POWERFUL COUNTRY on Earth (??) did not, for decades, have a decently sized international Airport anywhere near its National Capitol.

Closest civilian airport was in Baltimore. Next closest was JFK, in New York.

Get the picture now?

Dulles, built out West in big, open spaces (and terribly inconvenient, because of the distance) satisfied the need for a facility that could accomodate the larger, heavier airplanes needed for International flights (National Airport, built on a spit of land on the Potomac River...the runways are too short, and NOTHING larger than a Boeing 757 can operate there...)

Anyway, the Airport ('Capitol') came first....AND it was directly next to a former large railroad yard (Potomac Yard) AND it was just across the river from DC.....

The Pentagon wasn't built UNTIL WWII.....

History, not only is fun, is also important......

reply to post by weedwhacker


Sorry, WW....I was just going by this image that was posted here:

files.abovetopsecret.com...

Looked close to me.

reply to post by gavron


Yes, gavron, but IF you take that image...or just look on Google instead....you will see ALL of the other important (some would say more important) sites just over the River, in DC proper.

Back to history.....WWII.....

DC was built on a swamp, remember? AND, besides, there was not a heck of a lot of real estate available to build a new edifice, for the War Effort....EXCEPT, right over there across the River, in all of that EMPTY land in Virginia. (ALSO RECALL....look at old maps, Pre-Civil war....DC was a square, and the river cut through it....it originally had incorporated parts of what is NOW the Commonwealth of Virginia. Within the original square. There are still markers, in Arlington, that define the corners of the original District. Of course, POST Civil War? ermmmm....well, you get it now, Virginia was part of the 'Confederacy'!!!!!!)

See? History is important....

Regardless....NO ONE ever saw the location of the Pentagon, and the proximity of the National Airport, as a problem. IN FACT, it has no relevance other than as an historical oddity....

In any event, the oft-stated "theory" of the "fly-over" and quick lnading at DCA is rubbish....anyone who knows how to fly can see it for what it is.

Impossible for normal airplanes....it is just one of the many, many holes in the preferred "story" that some like to spin....

Originally posted by weedwhacker
You should research the history of "Capitol Airport". The AIRPORT was there well, well BEFORE the Pentagon!!!

Actually, WW, the Washington National Airport was completed and opened its doors on June 16. 1941. It was renamed Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport on Feb 6th, 1998.

The ground breaking for the Pentagon construction was Sept 11th, 1941, and was dedicated on Jan 15th, 1943.

I guess I wouldn't consider 3 months well well before, but maybe that's just me.

reply to post by gavron

Actually, WW, the Washington National Airport was completed and opened its doors on June 16. 1941.

Thanks for doing some research, as suggested...

HOWEVER....if you would care to look back farther, you will see that the airport that is CURRENTLY known as "National Airport" was there WELL before any re-naming ceremony, as you have found, in your research.

It may take a deeper search than is available on merely the 'Google'...not that there's anything wrong with 'Google', of course...but know that anything online is ONLY what has been posted by someone...whether true or not....

Same with everything I write...of course. AND evertything else written, and posted....that's why research OFF the Internet is still valuable.

I begann this BECAUSE I recently saw a photo...OF what is NOW called "National Airport"....(I will never, and I mean NEVER!!!!! refer to it as 'reagan'....for political reasons...but that has noting to do with this, just my perosonal opinion...)


BACK TO THE photo....it is on the wall, of a hotel herein the DC area. IT IS A REAL PHOTO!!!!

Taken, from the air....looking North, and NOT in a position from where the airplane could land...it is a photo to show the airport, and it's environs....from an aerial perspective.

BTW...the PENTAGON HAD NOT YET BEEN BUILT!!!!!!!

This is important!!!

The photo is undated, as it hangs on the wall of the hotel. But since I am familiar with the AREA, and I have seen the airpport from the air, many times, it caught my eye....

IF I can find the source, I will try to post it...although, it seems a waste of time, sometimes, since NO MATTER WHAT is posted, opinions never seem to change....pity.

FYI,

I got my research directly from the airport itself:

www.metwashairports.com...

reply to post by gavron

1941 Airport opened for business June 16th with one hangar completed and five under construction.

from the source.

OK....1941

Date should seem important.

ALSO....do you think that MAYBE the airport was there BEFORE the 'official dedication'?????

'nuff.

reply to post by weedwhacker


Not sure much was there before....

"...on November 21, 1938, the first ceremonial shovelful of dirt was moved to signal the start of construction."

"Most of the proposed airfield site was underwater. Between November 1938 and December 1939, almost 20 million cubic yards of sand and gravel were moved onto the site."

"On September 28, 1940, two years to the day of the site selection, President Roosevelt laid the cornerstone of the terminal building at the dedication ceremony."

"National Airport opened for business on June 16, 1941. President Roosevelt attended a ceremony and observed the first official landing."

So...8 or 9 months of construction...but not being used as an airfield, per se.

reply to post by Lillydale


A missle, it could have been.

[edit on 6-10-2009 by Pocky]

Originally posted by gavron
reply to post by Lillydale

 

Warehouse? What warehouse are you talking about? My example was showing a barn.(mainly to show that consumers can get high quality cameras). Is there something special in this warehouse you are talking about? Or did you mean The Warehouse (as in Warehouse records?)??

I was talking about security cams in the vicinity of the Pentagon (mainly the gate cam).

I think you're confused...

Would following along be too much of an issue for you? I have clearly stated what warehouse I am talking about. I am not talking about your barn. If you cannot be bothered to pay attention, do not expect me to repeat myself.

reply to post by Lillydale


Ummmm, "LillyDale", I think you need to step away from your crackpipe.

You have mentioned this "warehouse" on a few posts in this thread here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

People like Thomas have already made it clear that 8 years ago, the pentagon could have never had the quality of surveillance that an office supply warehouse of the same time would.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

When you get done explaining how that was NOT a reply to my post, then you can tell me why an office supply warehouse has far superior surveillance cameras than the Pentagon.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I asked why a warehouse has better cameras than the pentagon.

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You have not "clearly stated" what warehouse you are talking about in THIS thread....unless it was in one of your off-topic posts removed by a moderator.

So, once again, I ask you, what warehouse are you talking about? Who owns it? Why is it so important to you to mention it exclusively?

Would following along be too much of an issue for YOU?

reply to post by gavron


Actually, someone else mentioned an office supply warehouse and then I think she took it from there.

Just sayin...

reply to post by gavron


I'm sorry, but all of this about the actual DATE of the airport that would later come to be known as 'Capitol Airport' and later, 'National Airport'....although the original names varied....as seen below.....

These are distractions.....

The area, known as Gravelly Point, is where Captain John Alexander built a home called "Abingdon" in 1746. A descendent, Philip Alexander, donated most of the land on which the City of Alexandria was built, and it was so named in his honor. Abingdon was purchased in 1778 by John Parke Custis, the adopted stepson of President George Washington, and was the birthplace of Washington’s beloved granddaughter, Eleanor “Nelly” Parke Custis. Abingdon was destroyed by fire in 1930 and the ruins stabilized. In 1998, the Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority preserved the site and created an exhibit of artifacts found there in the Exhibit Hall, located in Terminal A.

Terminal 'A' s the oldest terminal, sitll existing.....for us in the Airline business, let's just say it's the "low rent district", as far as paying the lease expense for the gate space.

Terminals"B" and "C" are part of the new construction, as the Airport was renovated back in the late 1990s.


BUT, because this thread has used some out-dated info, HERE is more history of the area.......

ENJOY!!!!!!

Throughout the early 20th century, airport facilities in Washington, D.C. were seriously inadequate. Hoover Field, located near the present site of the Pentagon, was the first major terminal to be developed in the National Capital area, opening its doors in 1926.

The following year, Washington Airport, another privately operated field, began service next door. In 1930, the economics of the Great Depression caused the two terminals to merge to form Washington-Hoover Airport. Bordered on the east by Highway One—with its accompanying high-tension electrical wires, and obstructed by a high smokestack on one approach and a dump nearby—the field was less than adequate. Incredibly, the airport's one runway was intersected by a busy street, Military Road, which had guards posted to flag down traffic during takeoffs and landings.

Any questions????

A really good complete background of the Washington-Hoover airport can be found here (complete with some great old photos and maps):

www.airfields-freeman.com...

"Hoover Field closed in 1941, when it was replaced by the much larger Washington National Airport, 2 miles southeast."

Always neat to see how things have developed over the years.

Originally posted by A Fortiori
reply to post by gavron

 

Actually, someone else mentioned an office supply warehouse and then I think she took it from there.

Just sayin...

No, I mentioned it. There is another member on here that I know from that particular warehouse so maybe they brought it up first. I am not really sure why it even matters what warehouse or what they kept in there. The point is that it was an office supply warehouse and yet it had far better cameras than the pentagon? In the time that I worked there, I do not remember any stockpiles of gold or any high level defense work being done. They had this super duper high tech recording system to protect copiers and toner.

To Gavron, does that help you out at all? The question was simply why an office supply warehouse would have such great quality recording equipment compared to the Pentagon. Do you need the address as well in order to answer?

reply to post by Lillydale


I, as well as others here, would love to see examples of your warehouse video...to allow us to compare the quality. Otherwise, there is no basis of comparison. Indoor camera or external? A gate cam (like the one we've all seen from the Pentagon), or one designed to scan the perimiter?

Plus, examples of planes flying into the warehouse would seal the deal on comparing the quality of the cams.